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Fu-Gee-La
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Miss America Booed
I know this is old news, but I would like to get a few opinions about this-
Mexican ire for U.S. aimed at Miss USA
Hundreds of audience members who booed Miss Universe contestant were likely voicing displeasure over northern neighbor's policies
MEXICO CITY -- Many here south of the border reveled in her disastrous evening: First Miss USA Rachel Smith slipped and fell during the Miss Universe evening gown competition. Then she was booed by hundreds in the Mexican audience.
The treatment of the Tennessee beauty queen was nothing personal. It had more to do with Mexico's sometimes tense relationship with its powerful northern neighbor.
U.S. athletes have sparked a similar response. Mexican crowds booed the U.S. national anthem, and some chanted "Osama! Osama!" during soccer games against the U.S. in 2004 and 2005.
Smith was booed repeatedly during her stay in Mexico, including when she carried a guitar and wore an Elvis-style suit during a parade of national costumes held in downtown Mexico City.
She kept her poise during an interview Monday night with pageant judges, despite the boos and chants of "Mexico! Mexico!" that drowned out her answer.
http://tinyurl.com/3ckflr
I don't know why this pisses me off soooo much, but it does!
The words ungrateful and piss in your OWN back yard come to mind.
I had a HUGE problem with the massive protests a while back- IMO those farkers need to change THEIR OWN country! Good lord, the Mexican Government is a disgusting pig of a beast and they are protesting the US gov't for tightening border security after 911. It reeks!
(disclaimer: I am a true liberal, that believes in human rights for all man kind, in all nations- but these people need to change THEIR MEXICAN Government- that way they won't have to risk life and limb to get to the US just to stand a chance at some sort of "life".)
In all honesty, I pretty much stand super super hard right when it comes to the immigration issue.
Why the HELL should people who ILLEGALY cross the border be REWARDED with temp visas, when those that spend decades in some cases to LEGALLY become a US resident jump through an obstacle course of hoops? It really infuriates me, not sure why- I have always considered myself a "softie". This issue is different to me.
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| dithers
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Wed May 30, 2007 3:23 pm |
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This boorish behavior really hacks me off. The nerve!!
To begin with I think we're all victims of what I like to call the "babushka factor". During the Cold War all we ever saw of Russian women was the poor old crying deeply wrinkled old grandmothers wearing their babushkas. Lo and behold! Just after the collapse of the Soviet Union we see pics of fashion models and all manner of rich and middle class folks.
Same goes for Mexico. They have all classes of people. The MSM chooses only to focus on the poorest. Just like every kid we ever see from Palestine is barefoot in the dirt with a runny nose.
Mexico is simply attempting to hoist off it's poorest and neediest on the U.S. Just as Castro has done on many occasions. It makes my blood boil everytime I hear one of the Mexican politicians say we should change this, that or the other in how we deal with their people who feel compelled to flee their country. Hello!!! Fix your own F'n country and maybe people wouldn't want to leave.
It also irritates how we constantly hear how bad we are, how the world hates us - but by gum, they all sure want to come here don't they? I am quite tired of Mexico trying tell us how to run our country and then have the nerve to act as they did with Miss USA.
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| Fu-Gee-La
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Wed May 30, 2007 3:47 pm |
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| Quote: | | Mexico is simply attempting to hoist off it's poorest and neediest on the U.S. |
YUP! We finally agree dithers!
It disgusts me, it really does. I feel that if THIS bleeding heart liberal feels this way, I can only imagine the frustration of the super hard core right.  
It is absolutely disgusting and Mexicans need to organize a "million person" protest of THEIR crappy government- not OUR crappy government.
These poor people stuff themselves in to hundred degree hot boxes and smuggle themselves in to the US to GET AWAY from THEIR governement, and they don't protest THEIR LEADERS? What the hell is wrong with this picture???
| Quote: | | I hear one of the Mexican politicians say we should change this, that or the other in how we deal with their people who feel compelled to flee their country. Hello!!! Fix your own F'n country and maybe people wouldn't want to leave. |
YUP
This issue going on in Texas, where the landlords are being charged is a step in the right direction, IMHO- my only worry is that the consequences and repurcussions will never "trickle UP" where it belongs- with Coorperate America, the people who refuse to pay people a decent living, and rather hire those so desparate that they would work for two dollars a day if it meant being able to buy water and food and shelter.
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| dithers
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Wed May 30, 2007 4:27 pm |
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FGL wrote:
| Quote: | | This issue going on in Texas, where the landlords are being charged is a step in the right direction, IMHO- my only worry is that the consequences and repurcussions will never "trickle UP" where it belongs- with Coorperate America, the people who refuse to pay people a decent living, and rather hire those so desparate that they would work for two dollars a day if it meant being able to buy water and food and shelter. |
It's not corporate America who refuses to pay a living wage. It's the small growers, etc. But if we want them to pay a decent wage then we must be ready to accept higher food prices. My guess with the way we complain about hikes in gas prices that we may not be as willing to accept that as we think.
The big elephant in the room no one talks about is once all of these people are here and safe from prosecution how much longer will they be willing to work for $5/hour. I'm always flabbergasted when people use that as an excuse for why they should be here. How insulting is that to any class of people! The unions want them here because their numbers are dwindling and they want to recruit them. So if we wind up paying higher wages in the long run then why even go down that road to begin with and gain all this excess baggage to the social welfare rolls.
I'm one with mixed feelings on Gov't. healthcare. I agree something must be done but to jump into something without long and hard thought is wrong. However, if we are going to wind up paying healthcare costs for these indigent illegals then shit - send them back and spend the money giving free healthcare to all the rest of us who are natural born taxpaying citizens.
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| Fu-Gee-La
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Wed May 30, 2007 4:43 pm |
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| Quote: | | It's not corporate America who refuses to pay a living wage. It's the small growers, etc. |
And that is because they have to compete with the huge super stores and earn a decent living. Don't get me started on corn subsidies! the US is controlled by high glucose corn syrup! LOL
| Quote: | I'm always flabbergasted when people use that as an excuse for why they should be here. How insulting is that to any class of people!
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It really is- it really really is... Case in point- look at NO- look at the demographic changes there. Why not hire those who really need work, rather than "import" illegal aliens to do the work for nothing? it is disgusting.
I am sure you are aware of the biiiig contracts and the biiiiiig companies, hired for the reconstruction. Now we have Latino gangs "controlling" portions of the inner cities. It breaks my heart- an entire culture is at risk.
Pretty soon the NO "Jazz" will need to change their names if it doesn't get better.
Wait-  I guess they are now the Utah Jazz.  That is messed up, there is no jazz in Utah!
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| olympic
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Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:07 am |
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fu-gee
hypothetically speaking if you wanted to take up residency in mexico tomorrow, you would not be granted one, nor could you work.....you'd have to go through the same step process, any immigrant goes through in usa.
therefore, why do they expect any different from usa?
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| bellestar
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Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:51 am |
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| Fu-Gee-La wrote: | | Quote: | | It's not corporate America who refuses to pay a living wage. It's the small growers, etc. |
And that is because they have to compete with the huge super stores and earn a decent living. Don't get me started on corn subsidies! the US is controlled by high glucose corn syrup! LOL
| Quote: | I'm always flabbergasted when people use that as an excuse for why they should be here. How insulting is that to any class of people!
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It really is- it really really is... Case in point- look at NO- look at the demographic changes there. Why not hire those who really need work, rather than "import" illegal aliens to do the work for nothing? it is disgusting.
I am sure you are aware of the biiiig contracts and the biiiiiig companies, hired for the reconstruction. Now we have Latino gangs "controlling" portions of the inner cities. It breaks my heart- an entire culture is at risk.
Pretty soon the NO "Jazz" will need to change their names if it doesn't get better.
Wait- I guess they are now the Utah Jazz. That is messed up, there is no jazz in Utah! |
Bolded part so true!!!
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| Fu-Gee-La
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Thu Nov 08, 2007 3:26 pm |
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| olympic wrote: | fu-gee
hypothetically speaking if you wanted to take up residency in mexico tomorrow, you would not be granted one, nor could you work.....you'd have to go through the same step process, any immigrant goes through in usa.
therefore, why do they expect any different from usa? |
Correct. Believe me that if I could go work in CDN, I would have been there years ago.
Not only do people expect a free pass to our country, the expect us to change their laws to fit the needs not attainable in their own country.
My argument is basically that if one wants to change the immigration challenges in this country, one should begin with the cornerstone of the problem.
I mentioned that I saw a documentary on PBS about the plight of the garment workers. It is really sad- they are underpaid, overworked, and basically treated like crap by their employers. (JOIN THE CLUB )
Anyway, a very strong, beautiful immigrant who was hired by the organization fighting for the garment workers constructed a model that symbolized the garment worker "Pyramid". On top was the company CEO that they were fighting= and on the bottom level, it was the garment workers. She showed how the "pyramid" would topple if it were not for the strong base of the garment workers. It really made a lot of sense.
It is my opinion that in the case of the garment workers, it is The Mexican Government and The Chinese Government (etc.) who hold the bottom level strong- They are the ones that SUPPLY the garment workers-they create the conditions that "allow" the garment workers to "thrive".
It is my opinion that the garment workers believe they are the bottom of the barrel, when in fact it is the foreign governments who rid themselves of the ones most in need- if they concentrate on what is below them, what makes up the foundation of the pyramid, only then can they topple the stack.
I feel that we are making strides in that cause in our own country- Companies like Wal Mart have been put under the micro-scope, Companies like The Gap are being boycotted, and our media and blogosphere are tackling them in many ways...
I just can't believe that as BAD as Mexico has gotten, why in the WORLD would they hold their million man march THERE?
Where do our criminals go to escape the law? Many times to Mexico...
Where do their criminals go to escape the law? Many times- Here...
There REALLY needs to be tighter border control and they need to keep their Meth too.
Hey belle! Yeah, hee why not subsidize something like Hemp? That would solve everything- even help global warming, and REALLY cut down on the people crazy on sugar.
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Thu Nov 08, 2007 10:26 pm |
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i agree with you on the garment industry....however, that is not the only place, where it starts....take a look at california ranchers...they all have mexican ranch-hands....why?....because they work very hard, slave around the clock, and for very cheap...they have no other choice, being in usa as illegals, and those who hire them, are happier than ever...cheap labor!... they do what you and i will not do, because we can't make it on that pay....they group up, with another and another, several of them live together, and the small wages they do make, is worth more back home.
american government preformed quite a few raids, on these employers that hire the illegal immigrants.....guess what?...those same employers now can't find help, and some have had to shut down their businesses..and those mexicans are in some holding place, children are in a separate place, until they figure out what to do with them, some were sent back....
for sure, what nerve of them to hold protest marches you and i would be hauled off to a cell if we as illegals protested in same manner....
at the same time america has got to make up its mind, what is it they will do.....
what about the rest of the jobs that are outsourced to 3rd world countries?..........i'm certain at some point or another you called for support to one of your electronic gadgets.....where was the call centre?
did you understand them, as you were on the phone...
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| Fu-Gee-La
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Fri Nov 09, 2007 3:44 am |
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right olympic, and that is why I would support a Visa program. That is different from allowing people to immigrate here and break the law.
I do think that the companies that hire illegals should be held accountable for breaking the law.
There MUST be some way to identify people living in our country. Right now, we have illegals crossing the border, committing crimes, and being untraceable.
Take California-
In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens.
A confidential California Department of Justice study reported in 1995 that 60 percent of the 20,000-strong 18th Street Gang in southern California is illegal; police officers say the proportion is actually much greater. The bloody gang collaborates with the Mexican Mafia, the dominant force in California prisons, on complex drug-distribution schemes, extortion, and drive-by assassinations, and commits an assault or robbery every day in L.A. County. The gang has grown dramatically over the last two decades by recruiting recently arrived youngsters, most of them illegal, from Central America and Mexico.
The leadership of the Columbia Lil Cycos gang, which uses murder and racketeering to control the drug market around L.A.s MacArthur Park, was about 60 percent illegal in 2002, says former assistant U.S. attorney Luis Li. Francisco Martinez, a Mexican Mafia member and an illegal alien, controlled the gang from prison, while serving time for felonious reentry following deportation.
http://www.city-journal.org/html/14_1_the_illegal_alien.html
Is it worth it? Can we find another way? How about subsidizing organically grown farms? How about subsidizing the farmers for much our staples rather than Corn?
There has got to be a better way than allowing people to break the law and cross our borders (just to work in the fields) and allow all the criminals, Meth and Cocaine and gawd knows what else in, all in the name of cheap labor.
As far as outsourcing goes, again, it comes back to growing locally, living locally, and living green. Buy your produce from farmer's Markets instead of Sam's club, etc etc etc. There are SO many better ways, IMO, and this is getting out of hand.
It isn't the back breakers who slave and toil, it is the freeloaders that ride their tails. I guess they are the ones spoiling it for the whole bunch.
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Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:22 am |
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| olympic wrote: | i agree with you on the garment industry....however, that is not the only place, where it starts....take a look at california ranchers...they all have mexican ranch-hands....why?....because they work very hard, slave around the clock, and for very cheap...they have no other choice, being in usa as illegals, and those who hire them, are happier than ever...cheap labor!... they do what you and i will not do, because we can't make it on that pay....they group up, with another and another, several of them live together, and the small wages they do make, is worth more back home.
american government preformed quite a few raids, on these employers that hire the illegal immigrants.....guess what?...those same employers now can't find help, and some have had to shut down their businesses..and those mexicans are in some holding place, children are in a separate place, until they figure out what to do with them, some were sent back....
for sure, what nerve of them to hold protest marches you and i would be hauled off to a cell if we as illegals protested in same manner....
at the same time america has got to make up its mind, what is it they will do.....
what about the rest of the jobs that are outsourced to 3rd world countries?..........i'm certain at some point or another you called for support to one of your electronic gadgets.....where was the call centre?
did you understand them, as you were on the phone... |
I have gotten many who have a manual of troubleshiiting issues to guide them and you through......... Gawd help you if you stray from the manual 
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