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MediumRareTBone
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Thu Jun 07, 2007 6:40 pm |
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| Schmerty wrote: | | woebedamned wrote: | | all10suspects wrote: | | MediumRareTBone wrote: | "it's a shame they just can't kill him now'
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The guy did not care about the girl or the girls family. Why care about him. If he is on the video and it is his truck than why wait? |
Oh, I dunno..maybe it has something to do with living in a civilized society, where EVERYONE is entitled to a trial? |
Coversely, EVERYONE is entitled to life, liberty & the pursuit of happiness. He to Kelsey's LIFE , he loses his ENTITLEMENTS! |
If convicted, yes he will.
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| woebedamned
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If we are willing to give the most basic of protections...God help us all.
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| all10suspects
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This suspect in this case maybe kills the girl on Saturday night than talks to his neighbors on Monday like nothing happened. Does that sound
like some other suspect? The suspect that leaves a girl on the beach then goes to school like nothing happened.
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| woebedamned
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| all10suspects wrote: | This suspect in this case maybe kills the girl on Saturday night than talks to his neighbors on Monday like nothing happened. Does that sound
like some other suspect? The suspect that leaves a girl on the beach then goes to school like nothing happened. |
We have a forum to discuss Natalee. She really doesnt need to be the center of discussion on this board.
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| MediumRareTBone
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Thu Jun 07, 2007 10:07 pm |
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| all10suspects wrote: | This suspect in this case maybe kills the girl on Saturday night than talks to his neighbors on Monday like nothing happened. Does that sound
like some other suspect? The suspect that leaves a girl on the beach then goes to school like nothing happened. |
How many of the other 10 suspects in the NH case also went on the next day like nothing happened?
You are aware that the NH case fell under different laws than this case, are you not?
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| pax
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Fri Jun 08, 2007 1:43 am |
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Seriously allten, you might want to read up on why due process is a protection against undue power of the state. Our founding fathers were very wise.
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| jade
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Hall Criminal Complaint
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| MediumRareTBone
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Thanks for the link Jade 
That's a long list of witnesses
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| Fu-Gee-La
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Fri Jun 08, 2007 11:54 am |
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Thanks jade!
all10- thank gawd the framers weren't anything like you. 
"It is a shame we can't just kill him now" - in the same sentence with "He has a daughter" - Now that is just messed up.
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| apodixis
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Fri Jun 08, 2007 12:00 pm |
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| apodixis wrote: | | victims cry wrote: |
.....vengeance is a normal reaction but i firmly believe that many of our "lenient" laws are what keeps our stranger abductions/rapes/murder levels low......
.....Statistics show that countries with the death penalty have commensurately higher murder rates than those without. Countries with strict gun control laws have fewer murders than those without...... |
This is going to surprise you:
Canada----assaults/100,000 771.4----rapes/100,000 108.3
U.S.--------assaults/100,000 427.1----rapes/100,000 39.2
Switzerland -assaults/100,000 51.6---rapes/100,000 3.9
From 1994 fifth U.N. survey of crime trends….quoted in:
http://www.singstat.gov.sg/ssn/feat/4Q97/feat.pdf
According to this study, The violent crime ( murder, assault, rape and robbery ) rate in 1994 was highest in Canada at 981 per 100,000, compared to 713 per 100,000 in the U.S., and 86 per 100,000 in Switzerland ( where household possession of fully automatic military assault weapons is common )
The U.S., which uses the death penalty in some states, has a homocide rate of 6-9 per 100,000. Mexico, which uses the dp much less per capita, only in special circumstances, has a homocide rate 2-3 times that of the U.S.
Singapore, with the highest per capita death penalty rate has the lowest per capita murder rate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment#_note-3
One question about the Kelsey Smith case is why the cause of death has not been released.
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Just released: Kelsey Smith Cause Of Death Likely Strangulation
http://www.postchronicle.com/news/original/article_21285360.shtml
To quote the NRA: Guns don't kill people, people kill people.
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| Fu-Gee-La
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apy, maybe there are more assaultls in CDN because they still solve it "the old fashioned way", rather than blow each others heads off. 
Look at the difference in rapes.
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| Katie
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Fri Jun 08, 2007 12:09 pm |
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| woebedamned wrote: | | all10suspects wrote: | This suspect in this case maybe kills the girl on Saturday night than talks to his neighbors on Monday like nothing happened. Does that sound
like some other suspect? The suspect that leaves a girl on the beach then goes to school like nothing happened. |
We have a forum to discuss Natalee. She really doesnt need to be the center of discussion on this board. |
Exactly these two cases are totally different, there is no comparison between Kelsey and NH nor her parents.
Those are some great pics of the fish, their eyes scared me though.
woops I meant that for MTRB, I thought I was quoting her Woe, sorry 
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| jade
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Fri Jun 08, 2007 11:44 pm |
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Suspect is former Emporian
Adoptive family remembers ‘defiant’ child
By Bobbi Mlynar (Contact)
Friday, June 8, 2007
Long before Edwin R. Hall, 26, stood accused of murdering an Overland Park teenager, an Emporia couple adopted him into their family circle. They had hoped that love and attention would help heal the hurts that had gone before in his young life.
Hall, who made a first appearance Thursday afternoon in Judge Peter B. Ruddick’s courtroom in Johnson County District Court, is charged with first-degree murder in the death of Kelsey Smith and aggravated kidnapping in connection with her abduction Saturday evening from a Target store parking lot in Overland Park. Hall’s bond was set at $5 million.
Hall reportedly now has a wife and a 4-year-old son of his own.
In 1988, Hall was a child in the custody of what is now the Kansas Department of Social and Rehabilitation Services.
About that time, Emporian Carol Hall read a newspaper article about children who were eligible for adoption and were available through SRS.
Hall and her husband, Don, had a good life together, she said. They already were parents of three daughters, whom they loved dearly, and they were ready and willing to bring in another child to love. The child they chose was 7-year-old Edwin Hall.
“I felt like we could make a difference, help someone out,” she said in a telephone interview Thursday afternoon. “I love kids. ... We took him into our home with the intention of adopting him.”
The Hall family asked to keep the specifics of Edwin Hall’s personal problems private, but agreed to talk in general terms about his time with the family.
Edwin, at 7, had behavior problems that easily could be attributed to the turmoil he had experienced in his short lifetime; some of those problems were evident during the short time he lived in their home prior to the adoption.
And the Halls carried through with the adoption plan.
“You think you can give them love and all those things they didn’t get, like support ...,” she said. “It works with some, but with him, it didn’t.”
Edwin seemed to care for his new family, but even with their love and support, the behavior problems could not be overcome. He continued to act out at home and at school.
“Basically, it was he was just real defiant,” Carol Hall said.
The victim: Kelsey Smith, 18, of Overland Park went missing on June 2. Her body was found Wednesday in a wooded area in Missouri.
Behavior problems escalated instead of diminishing and by the time Edwin was 15, he initiated an incident that made it impossible for him to stay with his adopted family. Carol Hall did not want to reveal details of the episode. After the incident, she said, Edwin did not remember it happening.
The Halls realized that the teenager had become a potential danger to other members of the family. They had exhausted all of their options, and decided they would have to give him up for the safety of all concerned.
“That was the last time he was in our home,” Carol Hall said. The Halls hoped then that someone would be able “to get him the help that he needed.” At that time, all of the help available to them had not made a difference for Edwin.
“Everything that was ever suggested, our family tried,” said Sheila Garza, one of Carol and Don’s daughters. Edwin’s experiences in his early years may have been too much to overcome. “So much damage is done, there’s nothing you can do.”
The Halls had no contact with Edwin after he was returned to SRS custody, until three or four years ago, Carol Hall said.
Edwin Hall called the family and Carol Hall made arrangements to meet with him. She wanted to talk with him and see how he was doing. After the meeting, she felt satisfied that the young man had gotten control of his life. He seemed calm and in control of his life.
“I really felt real good,” she said. “I would have had no fear of him.”
When she saw a news broadcast with a video of a “person of interest,” she did not recognize him. Later, seeing a photograph after his arrest, she realized that the suspect in the Overland Park murder was her former adopted son.
“I’m just so sick for that family,” Carol Hall said of victim Kelsey Smith’s family. “We’re just sick and in shock.”
The Hall children gathered this week in Emporia in support of their parents and each other. The family is close and loving, Garza said, and even now they still do not understand why Edwin R. Hall could not allow himself to be part of that caring circle. They grieve for what was lost in Edwin, but even more they grieve for the loss Edwin may have caused the Smith family in Overland Park.
“Our hearts and prayers are with the family in Kansas City that lost their daughter and their sister,” Garza said. “We would never have dreamed in a million years that this would happen.”
http://www.emporiagazette.com/news/2007/jun/08/suspect_former_emporian/
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Hall was convicted of threatening adoptive sister
By JOHN MILBURN
Associated Press Writer
TOPEKA, Kan. - A man now accused of kidnapping and killing a Johnson County teenager was convicted 11 years ago of threatening his adoptive sister at knifepoint.
According to court records obtained by The Associated Press on Friday, a judge convicted Edwin R. Hall after he pleaded no contest to aggravated assault in May 1996 and removed him from his adoptive home. Hall was then placed in state custody. A second charge of making a criminal threat was dismissed.
Hall, 26, of Olathe, was charged Thursday with first-degree murder and aggravated kidnapping of 18-year-old Kelsey Smith at a Target parking lot in suburban Kansas City.
The Johnson County district attorney's office said Friday that Smith was strangled with a ligature, although spokesman Brian Burgess would not say exactly what was used.
Hall's attorney, Paul Cramm, did not return calls seeking comment, and his secretary said he was not commenting. Cramm filed notice with the court Friday that he would be representing Hall and requested prosecutors' evidence against his client.
In Kansas, court files are open for crimes involving defendants who are at least 14 years old, said Ron Keefover, spokesman for the state judicial system. A judge also can choose not to close records for defendants younger than 14.
Hall's adoptive parents, Carol and Don Hall, of Emporia, about 80 miles southwest of Edwin Hall's Olathe home, didn't return a call placed by the AP. One of their daughters, Sheila Garza, answered the door at the parents' home and said the family would not comment except to say: "We are devastated for Kelsey's family and their loss."
However, Carol Hall told The Emporia Gazette for Friday's editions that Edwin did something when he was 15 that made the couple feel he was a danger to the family. She did not provide details of the incident to the newspaper but said the couple felt they would have to give up Edwin, whom they had adopted when he was 7.
"That was the last time he was in our home," Carol Hall told The Gazette about the incident that occurred when Edwin was 15. The Halls hoped then that someone would be able "to get him the help that he needed."
She said the family felt "sick and in shock" about the charges against Edwin Hall involving Smith's death.
Surveillance video shows Smith being forced into her car in the Overland Park Target store's parking lot around 7:10 p.m. Saturday. The woman's body was found four days later near a lake about 20 miles away in Missouri.
The knife incident involving Edwin's adoptive sister wasn't his first brush with the law. He was placed under supervision in 1994 by a Lyon County judge for taking his father's truck without permission, according to juvenile court records. A year later, he was again placed under supervision for stealing cash and a tape recorder, the records show.
Hall was confined in four facilities from 1996 until his release in 1999, according to the Kansas Juvenile Justice Authority.
In 2002, Hall and his adoptive parents were sued in civil court by a Lyon County man who claimed Hall beat him the back of the head with a baseball bat, court records show. The man sought $50,000 from the family, but the case was later dismissed.
Carol Hall told The Gazette she and her husband, who have three daughters, adopted Edwin after reading a newspaper article about children available for adoption.
"I felt like we could make a difference, help someone out," she said. "I love kids. We took him into our home with the intention of adopting him."
However, she said Edwin had behavior problems that were associated with his early childhood. Some of those problems were evident during the time he lived with the Halls before the adoption.
"You think you can give them love and all those things they didn't get, like support. It works with some, but with him, it didn't," Carol Hall said.
Despite the family's best efforts, Edwin continued to have problems at home and school, she said, often being defiant.
After Edwin was removed from the home, the family didn't see him again until he called them about three or four years ago. Carol Hall said he seemed calm and in control of his life.
"I felt really good. I would have had no fear of him," she said.
http://www.wichitaeagle.com/290/story/91075.html
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| MediumRareTBone
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oh my. the local news released his juvie record on the 10 o'clock news.
They reported that he was a ward of the state and was adopted. But after he threatened his sister with a knife, his adoptive parents 'returned' him to the state.
wtf.
eta: thanks again jade. I am just floored over this - nothing like tainting the jury pool.
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| Schmerty
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Sat Jun 09, 2007 1:22 am |
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| MediumRareTBone wrote: | oh my. the local news released his juvie record on the 10 o'clock news.
They reported that he was a ward of the state and was adopted. But after he threatened his sister with a knife, his adoptive parents 'returned' him to the state.
wtf.
eta: thanks again jade. I am just floored over this - nothing like tainting the jury pool. |
Well , does the perp have any responsiblility for his actions ??? Even if he had some problems in early childhood, does that allow him the liberty to take life????? I'm sorry but my life is as important as the next killer's needs.
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| MediumRareTBone
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| Schmerty wrote: | | MediumRareTBone wrote: | oh my. the local news released his juvie record on the 10 o'clock news.
They reported that he was a ward of the state and was adopted. But after he threatened his sister with a knife, his adoptive parents 'returned' him to the state.
wtf.
eta: thanks again jade. I am just floored over this - nothing like tainting the jury pool. |
Well , does the perp have any responsiblility for his actions ??? Even if he had some problems in early childhood, does that allow him the liberty to take life????? I'm sorry but my life is as important as the next killer's needs. |
Of course your life is! Every life has value.
If he is he guilty party, I sure as hell don't want the Kansas Supreme court to toss yet another murder conviction on appeal because the convicted did not get a fair trial.
I think it is irresponsible for the media to release his juvie record and comment about his past. It will not be admissible as evidence against him at trial and will only taint the jury pool.
The media is basically declaring him guilty w/o benefit of due process and I just think that is wrong
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| Schmerty
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| MediumRareTBone wrote: | | Schmerty wrote: | | MediumRareTBone wrote: | oh my. the local news released his juvie record on the 10 o'clock news.
They reported that he was a ward of the state and was adopted. But after he threatened his sister with a knife, his adoptive parents 'returned' him to the state.
wtf.
eta: thanks again jade. I am just floored over this - nothing like tainting the jury pool. |
Well , does the perp have any responsiblility for his actions ??? Even if he had some problems in early childhood, does that allow him the liberty to take life????? I'm sorry but my life is as important as the next killer's needs. |
Of course your life is! Every life has value.
If he is he guilty party, I sure as hell don't want the Kansas Supreme court to toss yet another murder conviction on appeal because the convicted did not get a fair trial.
I think it is irresponsible for the media to release his juvie record and comment about his past. It will not be admissible as evidence against him at trial and will only taint the jury pool.
The media is basically declaring him guilty w/o benefit of due process and I just think that is wrong |
Yeah! Animal hairs from his home in her car,on her body, Video survellance of the perp pushing her into her car,finger prints ...that definately is not due process. GET REAL!!!!
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| Schmerty wrote: | | MediumRareTBone wrote: | | Schmerty wrote: | | MediumRareTBone wrote: | oh my. the local news released his juvie record on the 10 o'clock news.
They reported that he was a ward of the state and was adopted. But after he threatened his sister with a knife, his adoptive parents 'returned' him to the state.
wtf.
eta: thanks again jade. I am just floored over this - nothing like tainting the jury pool. |
Well , does the perp have any responsiblility for his actions ??? Even if he had some problems in early childhood, does that allow him the liberty to take life????? I'm sorry but my life is as important as the next killer's needs. |
Of course your life is! Every life has value.
If he is he guilty party, I sure as hell don't want the Kansas Supreme court to toss yet another murder conviction on appeal because the convicted did not get a fair trial.
I think it is irresponsible for the media to release his juvie record and comment about his past. It will not be admissible as evidence against him at trial and will only taint the jury pool.
The media is basically declaring him guilty w/o benefit of due process and I just think that is wrong |
Yeah! Animal hairs from his home in her car,on her body, Video survellance of the perp pushing her into her car,finger prints ...that definately is not due process. GET REAL!!!! |
I'm very well aware of what due process is.
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Life in Prison for Rapist, Killer of Kansas Teen Kelsey SmithTuesday, September 16, 2008
OLATHE, Kan. — A judge sentenced a suburban Kansas City man to life in prison without parole for the 2007 kidnapping, rape and murder of 18-year-old Kelsey Smith, who was abducted from a Target parking lot.
Twenty-seven-year-old Edwin R. Hall pleaded guilty in July to capital murder to avoid the death penalty.
Hall also pleaded guilty to aggravated kidnapping, rape and aggravated sodomy in Smith's death. Each of the other three counts carries sentences of more than 12 years in prison to more than 54 years in prison.
Hall abducted Smith from an Overland Park Target store parking lot in June 2007. The Overland Park teenager's body was found four days later about 15 miles away in a Missouri park.
Smith's relatives gave tearful victims' statements, and a weeping Hall told them simply that he was "so, so sorry" for what he did.
Johnson County District Judge Peter V. Ruddick, who also told the family he was sorry for what they had gone through, sentenced Hall Tuesday afternoon to life in prison without the chance for parole.
The sentence was expected.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,423501,00.html
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