Love makes the good times better and the bad times not as bad. IMO
That was very relaxing!
Thank you for the quote & for the tune. I just got up & hugged DH & he hugged me right back!!!!
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SchmertyPosted:
Wed Jun 27, 2007 2:59 pm
Isanah wrote:
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October 11, 2006 -- THAT it's a boy for Kimberly Guilfoyle and Eric Villency. Ronan Anthony Villency arrived Oct. 4 at 4:14 a.m. at New York Hospital, weighing in at 7 pounds, 9 ounces. Mother, child and dad are doing great . .
Yes ! They sew your lips together so you can't speak or eat & they cuff your hands behind your back so you can't type on the keyboard.......That should take care of big mouths........What a wonderful world this could be<a></a>
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BhamMomPosted:
Wed Jun 27, 2007 3:03 pm
I know several grandparents that have raised grandchildren and were older than NG when they were born and made dang good "parents." I don't believe it is as much age as it is your frame of mind.
I would not want a new born baby at this stage of my life but to have a younger child now and it being born in my early 40's would be pure joy to me. Okay, I'm crazy. I might look like the grandma at the PTA meetings but I can assure you that I won't act like the grandma. I have more fun than my teens. In my opinion, they are nothing more than grumpy old men. But, I do love those grumpy old men.
N.G. was giddy, in my opinion on the video that I saw and was very excited. She was not the N.G. you see on her show. Face it folks, most people act differently at work than they do when at home and out for the evening.
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joynowPosted:
Wed Jun 27, 2007 3:06 pm
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I love you Heli and you have my utmost respect....but....what she does in her personal life is none of our business. Always, take the piss but don't get serious about another's life choices....and don't take me seriously, ever....this isn't reality.
Love your post, Frazer. Applicable to virtually any subject.
On the subject of Nancy Grace, I do not think I like her...at least not her television persona. I have no idea who she really is, but I hope she's a lot more pleasant. Anyway... I wish her well and admire her for going for it.
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joynowPosted:
Wed Jun 27, 2007 3:23 pm
Isanah wrote:
Excellent points Juno. Although I would rather address the latter issues than believe that women this old should be having babies. I guess it goes back to career women believing they are entitled to have "it all". It seems they choose to not view children as a priority, but an inconvenience, while they have strive to achieve their "rights" to attain a certain level of personal gain. These women have made their self-centered choices to achieve, then want the "status" of being mothers. Of course they love these late life children, but are they entitled to create the destiny of looking like grandparents at the PTA meetings?
Juno does make some good points...but "OUCH" as to the rest of your post!
"Status" of being a mother?
"Looking like grandparents at the PTA"?
Oh, the horrors!
Don't you know that's what Botox is for?
Most people that I have known, my own parents included, would have been a better parents all around had they waited until later in life to have children.
Not only do I think it would be great if people, in general, would have children later in life, but also I think it would be wonderful if more people would choose adoption in addition to/or instead of having biological children. If all goes well, we plan to do both.
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IsanahPosted:
Wed Jun 27, 2007 3:25 pm
BhamMom wrote:
I know several grandparents that have raised grandchildren and were older than NG when they were born and made dang good "parents." I don't believe it is as much age as it is your frame of mind.
I would not want a new born baby at this stage of my life but to have a younger child now and it being born in my early 40's would be pure joy to me. Okay, I'm crazy. I might look like the grandma at the PTA meetings but I can assure you that I won't act like the grandma. I have more fun than my teens. In my opinion, they are nothing more than grumpy old men. But, I do love those grumpy old men.
N.G. was giddy, in my opinion on the video that I saw and was very excited. She was not the N.G. you see on her show. Face it folks, most people act differently at work than they do when at home and out for the evening.
I never inferred that older parents wouldn't be good parents. I meant they have created a certain lifestyle and legacy for their children. There is no doubt a generational aspect for this child when having their parents exceptionally older while growing up. Not necessarily a bad one, just a certain unmistakable fact of the child's life.
I remember visiting a friend with much older parents when I was a teen. The atmosphere was very much like visiting a grandparent's home. It was pleasant, but seemed almost too set and settled. It was evident that my 18 yr old friend was somewhat "out of place", though comfortable, with her much settled 60 plus old parents. I'm not sure I am conveying this well!
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IsanahPosted:
Wed Jun 27, 2007 3:35 pm
joynow wrote:
Isanah wrote:
Excellent points Juno. Although I would rather address the latter issues than believe that women this old should be having babies. I guess it goes back to career women believing they are entitled to have "it all". It seems they choose to not view children as a priority, but an inconvenience, while they have strive to achieve their "rights" to attain a certain level of personal gain. These women have made their self-centered choices to achieve, then want the "status" of being mothers. Of course they love these late life children, but are they entitled to create the destiny of looking like grandparents at the PTA meetings?
Juno does make some good points...but "OUCH" as to the rest of your post!
"Status" of being a mother?
"Looking like grandparents at the PTA"?
Oh, the horrors!
Don't you know that's what Botox is for?
Most people that I have known, my own parents included, would have been a better parents all around had they waited until later in life to have children.
Not only do I think it would be great if people, in general, would have children later in life, but also I think it would be wonderful if more people would choose adoption in addition to/or instead of having biological children. If all goes well, we plan to do both.
Perhaps, though I am sure enjoying being a grandparent in my mid forties! My point is that it is the case for some of these women that it is a calculated decision to have children at a much older age. Yes, they may be more mature and settled, and be good parents. However, there is no way people can not see the implications of having children when this old. Heck, we all consider the possibility of having to take care of our parent's when there is a much less age span between parent and child. Well, to each their own!
Frankly, I find it boring at my age when older, settled, parent's (friend's) raise children. I wouldn't give up my hectic past child rearing for nothing in this world. I feel that we have bonded much more as a family by experiencing life "growing" up together!
I agree about more people should adopt.
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EzgoingPosted:
Wed Jun 27, 2007 4:34 pm
Well, all I can say is that being a parent is not easy at any age. Perhaps as we age we do not have the same energy level, but the fact that most people I know (and me included) are much more tolerant, much calmer, and actually more knowledable than we were in our 20's. One thing that being older does for you is that you realize that everything in life is fleeting - nothing is forever (except death and taxes I guess). With the money that Nancy Grace has, she can well afford to skip the really hard work of having an infant and a home, etc., and can concentrate on the baby and her husband. I haven't read about Joan Lunden lately - she had twins by a surrogate and was going to have more children via a surrogate. Then there was the woman in Italy who gave birth in her late 60's - now THAT 's really, truly outlandish and too old.
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BhamMomPosted:
Wed Jun 27, 2007 4:52 pm
I guess I am an older parent. I was 32 and 34 when I had my boys. I remember when the first one was born, the nurse telling me that after birthing him that due to my advanced age ( ) my recovery time would be longer. She said I would be in pain for several days and that it would probably take weeks for my uterus to be back in place.
Well, after they almost killed me getting the rest of the placenta out and they carried the baby to show him to his grandparents, they left me alone in the room and I politely wheeled my IV to the bathroom and back to bed. She came back and examined me and my uterus was exactly where it was suppose to be. She was 28 yrs old and said she was mad because most women over 30 had difficutly in some way. I told her to tell them to quit being wimps and have their babies natural like me and they might recover sooner.
Advanced age.............. Then again, this is Alabama and people assume you have babies very young.
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IsanahPosted:
Wed Jun 27, 2007 5:09 pm
I think early thirties is just fine! Hey, it isn't like I go around throwing these opinions, although I wish my damn SIL would give up further fertility efforts. They have a beautiful, hard in the coming, three year old, and I think they should love and focus on him. She had a difficult pregnancy, delivery and recovery after having my nephew, and now she is near 38. There are plenty of healthy older woman that fair much better than she has. It has been a way of life this fertility stuff, I wish it would end so they can enjoy more of life in the present.
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victims cryPosted:
Wed Jun 27, 2007 5:40 pm
Life has changed as well. We are (well not me but most ppl lol) far healthier at 40 than in our parents or grandparents generation. With the far more health conscious life styles, there is an energy and health that makes having children later in life not really "later" in terms of physical well being. I believe in another 20 years or so the whole definition of middle aged will have shifted. Children are also kept children longer now in a weird way. Marriage at 20 was common 50 years ago, now girls can't even legally drink at that age. We may say they grow up faster but in reality i think they are kept younger. Its not a question of having sex younger or anything else-in that way its more "adult", its just that we think of our young ppl in their early twenties and late teens as children fundamentally. Compared to the expectation of wife and mother at that age.
One of the things i found most suprising about the NH case was the idea that she should have a chaperone at that age, or that she should have been "looked after". Just as i found it incomprehensible that batty expected she would not party or could not make her own decisions to be with Joran etc. When i was growing up it would be bizarre to have chaperones or be expected not to have flings/good times and make our own decisions after graduation. Not that they would be good decisions just that we were adults and society as a whole treated us as such. Just as they did when my parents were growing up. You marry, you have kids, and you did it by age 25 max. 100 years ago girls were old maids if not married by 20.
society changes. If a woman is in good health then mid 40's is not to late to have kids and they won't be "old" at 60.
(somehow i managed this post without giving my opinion on Nancy )
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HanniePosted:
Wed Jun 27, 2007 6:15 pm
I think she is an ugly bitch,
But hey, it`s her body and life, none of my business what she does with it....
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BhamMomPosted:
Wed Jun 27, 2007 6:28 pm
VC,
Part of that is our life expectancy has changed. Yes, 50 years ago it was very common to marry at 20 or younger but they were still kids when they married. In one way we keep them kids longer but since we live longer, adulthood and childhood equals out.
Then again, 50 years ago you moved from your parents house to an apartment or house with your spouse. We have more freedom and options and thank God for that.
Because I didn't have kids until my 30's people ask me all the time if I regret it and would I change it now if I had it to do over. I tell them that yes, I would change things if I had known then what I know now. I would have waited a few more years and been at least 36 when I had my first child. Crazy? I don't think so.
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CSIPosted:
Thu Jun 28, 2007 5:09 pm
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October 11, 2006 -- THAT it's a boy for Kimberly Guilfoyle and Eric Villency. Ronan Anthony Villency arrived Oct. 4 at 4:14 a.m. at New York Hospital, weighing in at 7 pounds, 9 ounces. Mother, child and dad are doing great . .
Thanks, I must be lost in a time warp. I thought she was due this spring.
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iwabwuPosted:
Sun Jul 01, 2007 9:20 am
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Twins at 47....I had twins at 21 and another set at 26 and I must admit I'd like to have them again....unfortunately, as I'm now 55 that means that the twins would be almost that old too.
Sometimes the memories are better than the real thing!
As for a woman having twin babies at 47, I guess it's a bit like abortion....no-one's business but hers.
Just a thought - you could start with a set of 'yesterdays babies'. Maybe a set past diapers?
There are a lot of children looking for parents.
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BhamMomPosted:
Sun Jul 01, 2007 12:50 pm
Wabbi,
I agree that at that age, I would consider adoption prior to giving birth. However, at that age I did have children and I think that makes a difference. If you really love and are committed to someone, it is only natural to want to have their child. If I had not had a child and found my true love/soulmate at 47, I would probably be stupid enough to try and have their child. But.......that's me.
Bearing a man's child should be the ultimate proof of love and commitment, unfortunately in today's world women bear children for many reasons. Yes, I'm a romantic.
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~kaRNPosted:
Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:56 pm
Well of course she had fertility treatments maybe even in-vitro. Why be ashamed if you did?
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I might look like the grandma at the PTA meetings but I can assure you that I won't act like the grandma. I have more fun than my teens. 
In my opinion, they are nothing more than grumpy old men. 
But, I do love those grumpy old men. 
Applicable to virtually any subject.
Then again, this is Alabama and people assume you have babies very young. 
