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yankee-in-france PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 4:41 am

I remember hearing Morris Dees speak at an event in Chicago. He is quite a man.
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Fu-Gee-La PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:58 am

White supremacists urge Jena retaliation- Mayor gave praise

HOUSTON --

-- No sooner did thousands of African American demonstrators depart the racially tense town of Jena, La., last week after protesting perceived injustices than white supremacists started calling for violence.

First a neo-Nazi website posted the names, addresses and phone numbers of some of the six black teenagers and their families at the center of the Jena Six case, as it has come to be known, and urged followers to find them and "drag them out of the house," prompting an investigation by the FBI.

Then the leader of a white supremacist group in Mississippi published interviews that he conducted with the mayor of Jena and the white teenager who was attacked and beaten, allegedly by the six black youths. In those interviews, the mayor, Murphy McMillin, praised efforts by pro-white groups to organize counterdemonstrations; the teenager, Justin Barker, urged white readers to "realize what is going on, speak up and speak their mind." `


Over the weekend, white extremist websites and blogs filled with invective about the Jena Six case, which has drawn scrutiny from civil rights leaders, three leading Democratic presidential candidates and hundreds of African American bloggers. They are concerned about allegations that blacks have been treated more harshly than whites in the criminal justice system of the town of 3,000, which is 85% white.

LaSalle Parish Sheriff Carl Smith said that deputies had increased patrols in the area amid concerns over the safety of the defendants' families.

David Duke, the former Ku Klux Klan leader, last week announced his support for Jena's white residents, who voted overwhelmingly for him when he ran unsuccessfully for Louisiana governor in 1991.


"There is a major white supremacist backlash building," said Mark Potok, a hate-group expert at the Southern Poverty Law Center, a civil rights group in Montgomery, Ala. "I also think it's more widespread than may be obvious to most people. It's not only neo-nazis and Klansmen -- you expect this kind of reaction from them."

Controversy over the Jena Six case has been percolating for months but it exploded into national view Thursday when a large crowd of peaceful demonstrators from around the country marched through the central Louisiana town.

They came to support the six black high school students who were initially charged by the local prosecutor with attempted murder for attacking Barker, a white classmate who was beaten and knocked briefly unconscious in December. The charges were later reduced to aggravated second-degree battery.

The incident capped months of racial unrest after three white students hung nooses from a shade tree at the high school after black students asked permission to sit under it. School officials dismissed the noose incident as a prank, angering black students and their parents and triggering a series of fights between whites and blacks. The whites involved were charged with misdemeanors or not at all; the blacks drew various felony charges.

McMillin has insisted that his town is being unfairly portrayed as racist -- an assertion the mayor repeated in an interview with Richard Barrett, the leader of the Nationalist Movement, a white-supremacist group based in Learned, Miss., who asked McMillan to "set aside some place for those opposing the colored folks."


"I am not endorsing any demonstrations, but I do appreciate what you are trying to do," Barrett quoted McMillin as saying. "Your moral support means a lot." McMillin did not return calls seeking comment Monday.

Barker's father, David, said his family did not know the nature of Barrett's group when they agreed to be interviewed, adding, "I am not a white supremacist, and neither is my son." But Barrett said he explained his group and its beliefs to the Barker family, who then invited him to stay overnight at their home on the eve of last week's protest march.

The Rev. Jesse Jackson said he had grown so concerned about white extremists' threats against the defendants' families and perceived injustices in the town that he called the White House over the weekend to ask for immediate federal intervention.

Jackson said the acting head of the U.S. Justice Department's civil rights division told him that the agency had begun investigating the Jena situation.
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newwww, these people aren't racists at all- ass the mayor says "they are unfairly PORTRAYED as racists. Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
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Fu-Gee-La PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:08 am

pax wrote:
Democracy isn't easy, it means supporting the right to speak views we don't like.

I support the Southern Poverty Law Center because it teaches tolerance with videos, seminars and teaching tools. It hits those who commit hateful actions where it hurts, by bankrupting them.

I am definately all for free speech, but when that speech becomes action- like hanging a noose or setting a cross on fire, then it is all over IMO- that is where it becomes a threat and an act of intimidation IMO.

For instance, when Roy Moore the evangelical holy roller had the bright idea of fighting for displaying the Ten Commandments at the courthouse, you have complete idiots like Fred Phelps riding his coattails, using that argument as reason why he has every right to attend the funerals of our service members who gave their lives fighting for this country attacking them and their families at their funerals because "God hates fags" and "you are going to hell"
It definitely goes both ways, and I wouldn't label that as "speech" at all, I would label it as harassment, intimidation, and threat.
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pax PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:18 am

yankee-in-france wrote:
I remember hearing Morris Dees speak at an event in Chicago. He is quite a man.


He really is YIF. He founded the Southern Poverty Law Center and wrote a fascinating autobiography. There was a tv movie about him, starring Corbin Benson. Worth renting.




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pax PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:26 am

Fu-Gee-La wrote:
pax wrote:
Democracy isn't easy, it means supporting the right to speak views we don't like.

I support the Southern Poverty Law Center because it teaches tolerance with videos, seminars and teaching tools. It hits those who commit hateful actions where it hurts, by bankrupting them.

I am definately all for free speech, but when that speech becomes action- like hanging a noose or setting a cross on fire, then it is all over IMO- that is where it becomes a threat and an act of intimidation IMO.

For instance, when Roy Moore the evangelical holy roller had the bright idea of fighting for displaying the Ten Commandments at the courthouse, you have complete idiots like Fred Phelps riding his coattails, using that argument as reason why he has every right to attend the funerals of our service members who gave their lives fighting for this country attacking them and their families at their funerals because "God hates fags" and "you are going to hell"
It definitely goes both ways, and I wouldn't label that as "speech" at all, I would label it as harassment, intimidation, and threat.


Absolutely, fu, I agree one hundred percent! It's important to monitor these groups and call them to account when their hatred turns to crime. Personally, I don't have the stomach for it, but I'm glad there are people like the Southern Poverty Law Center who do just that. Last year for Christmas I gave as gifts a contribution to the SPLC for friends and family. They were happy to receive that instead of some shirt or gift certificate. Here's the site:

www.splcenter.org/




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Fu-Gee-La PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:39 pm

Oh dear pax- from that link-

Jena Rally Sparks White Supremacist Rage, Lynching Threat
Posted in White Supremacist, Neo-Nazi, Hate Groups by Mark Potok on September 20, 2007

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As tens of thousands of people were preparing to make their way to Jena, La., for today’s anti-racism rally, white supremacists were burning up the Internet with furious denunciations, bloody predictions, promises of future violence, and calls for lynching.

“The best crowd control for such a situation would be a squad of men armed with full automatics and preferably a machine gun as well,” is how one person put it on the Web forum hosted by the neo-Nazi Vanguard News Network. Added another hopeful VNN poster: “I’m not really that angry at the nogs [a recent variation on an ancient racial slur] — they are just soldiers in an undeclared race war. But any white that’s in that support rally I would like to … have them machine-gunned.”

As the rally began to unfold this morning, it became clear that it would attract huge numbers of people, perhaps even the 40,000 that some organizers had predicted. They came to protest the case of the “Jena 6,” black youths who were charged with serious crimes for an attack on a white youth not long after white teens who had targeted blacks were let off with a slap on the wrist. White supremacists reacted with a strange mixture of anger and admiration for the organizing behind the rally.

But the dominant response was violent rage. “I think a group of White men with AK rifles loaded with high capacity magazines should close in on the troop of howler monkeys from all sides and compress them into a tight group, and then White men in the buildings on both sides of the shitskinned hominids shall throw Molotov cocktails from above to cleanse the nigs by fire,” wrote “NS Cat” on VNN. Another poster fantasized about a terrorist attack in Jena today: “Wouldn’t that be sweet? Gosh darn, wouldn’t that be sweet? Good LORD wouldn’t THAT be SWeeeeEET? Boom, Boom, no more Coon! Well? A White man can dream can’t he?”

“If these blacks want a race war,”
added a poster on Stormfront, another white supremacist Web forum, “they will get one. Bring it on.”
http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2007/09/20/jena-rally-sparks-white-supremacist-rage/

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tulsad PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:46 pm

pax wrote:
Absolutely, fu, I agree one hundred percent! It's important to monitor these groups and call them to account when their hatred turns to crime. Personally, I don't have the stomach for it, but I'm glad there are people like the Southern Poverty Law Center who do just that. Last year for Christmas I gave as gifts a contribution to the SPLC for friends and family. They were happy to receive that instead of some shirt or gift certificate. Here's the site:

www.splcenter.org/


Thank you for the link, Pax. The map of all of the documented hate groups is interesting ; they've done an excellent job of showing the true picture of what is out there today. And forcing people to look it square in the eye.
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tulsad PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:50 pm

Fu-Gee-La wrote:
Oh dear pax- from that link-



I cannot even imagine that coming out of someone's mind - or, actually, what kind of mind that would come out of. It is terrifying.

Notice the reference to God?
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pax PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 1:45 pm

tulsad wrote:
pax wrote:
Absolutely, fu, I agree one hundred percent! It's important to monitor these groups and call them to account when their hatred turns to crime. Personally, I don't have the stomach for it, but I'm glad there are people like the Southern Poverty Law Center who do just that. Last year for Christmas I gave as gifts a contribution to the SPLC for friends and family. They were happy to receive that instead of some shirt or gift certificate. Here's the site:

www.splcenter.org/


Thank you for the link, Pax. The map of all of the documented hate groups is interesting ; they've done an excellent job of showing the true picture of what is out there today. And forcing people to look it square in the eye.


You're welcome. It's a great organization and a great site.




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BhamMom PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 4:09 pm

pax wrote:
tulsad wrote:
pax wrote:
Absolutely, fu, I agree one hundred percent! It's important to monitor these groups and call them to account when their hatred turns to crime. Personally, I don't have the stomach for it, but I'm glad there are people like the Southern Poverty Law Center who do just that. Last year for Christmas I gave as gifts a contribution to the SPLC for friends and family. They were happy to receive that instead of some shirt or gift certificate. Here's the site:

www.splcenter.org/


Thank you for the link, Pax. The map of all of the documented hate groups is interesting ; they've done an excellent job of showing the true picture of what is out there today. And forcing people to look it square in the eye.


You're welcome. It's a great organization and a great site.


I had much rather see people donate to this group than to Beth's group. They have made great strides in the inequailty in the south and even as a child, I remember the works of Dees and Levine.

If I could never say anything good about my parents but one thing it would be the work they were involved with in regards to inequality in the 60's in a place that made a huge impact on Civil Rights, Birmingham, Alabama. (Oh, just so you will know, God may have created the heaven and earth but my daddy was with him and told him where to hang the sun, moon and stars. Wink )

Most of the people my age remember very little about Civil Rights because they were taught it did not affect them. They were kept from the areas where there was much suffering and never saw it. Not me, my parents took us all across town to all the demonstrations and marches and even had a prison ministry for the blacks. I lived the Civil Rights and for that, I am grateful to my parents.
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Fu-Gee-La PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 9:03 am

Conyers Goes to Bat for the Jena 6 cause

Yes Bham, in many many ways Alabama is a progressive state, the birth place of civil rights for all Americans. I can only look at the photos and read the stories and wish I was there during that time- other people are much luckier- they were able to see it first hand for themselves.

this is going to sound corny, but if it came down to it, I think I would choose time travel over anything else if I were given a super power. Laughing


House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers Jr., appearing with the Rev. Al Sharpton by his side, said he will convene hearings to investigate the handling of the Jena 6 case and prosecutions of blacks nationwide.

"We're trying to put together an understanding of how we can present this to the American people," said Mr. Conyers, Michigan Democrat, describing what he called a "miscarriage of justice" and the "circumstances of segregation that have been part of our legal system."

During a Capitol Hill press conference, Mr. Conyers, other members of the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC) and the family of one of the six black teens from Jena, La., charged with beating a white student said the blacks were dealt with too severely.

"If you can't understand Jena, you can't understand us. We are in jail because of who we are, not what we are," said Mr. Sharpton, who last week led a major protest in the town.

Martin Luther King III said the Jena 6 story could be used for good.

"There must be reconciliation to bring this community back together," he said. "This is not about tearing apart."

However, Mr. King also added, "We know that Jenas exist all over America."
http://washingtontimes.com/article/20070926/NATION/109260039/1001
Gawd that Sharpton really grates my nerves, but I see him as a much needed voice that offsets the tweaked out balance of power we have here in the US.
I compare it to how I am SURE some people feel about PETA and the Vick case- PETA can be group of wild and whacky people, but by gawd there is no one better to bring attention to the Dog cause in the Vick case. They get the job done!
I am a huge huge fan of Conyers- that man has balls of steel pretty much.
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BhamMom PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 12:12 pm

The only regret about living the Civil Rights era that I have is not being older. I was very young at the time and didn't quite understand everything exactly how serious things really were. That's a child's mind I guess.

I was blessed (or cursed) was a very good memory to detail and and as I have gotten older, I recall specific things that happened that I didn't question at the time because I didn't understand it but now I am very aware of what happened. Things "click" when you get older and understand.

I do remember the separate water fountains and waiting rooms at the doctor's offices. I always drank out of the one that I wanted to drink out of and nothing was said to me. It usually did not say white, either.

I remember seeing MLK and listening to him speak. He was a powerful speaker and even as a child, he held my attention. I remember a young Julian Bond and seeing him and thinking he was one of the best looking things I had ever seen. I wonder if he was really that cute or if I was just a kid that thought all young men were cute. Embarassed

I remember the church bombing and sitting for hours watching the news coverage and riots that broke loose and yes, I remember the fire hoses and watching black people get knocked to the ground. "Bull" Connor, I remember him well.

One thing that really sticks out in my mind is the swimming pool that I went to as a child and took swimming lessons there was filled with dirt and covered to keep blacks from swimming. My mother took us there and we watched as they filled the pool with many KKK there and watching my mother cry.

Something I do not hear many people talk about that I remember so well are the cross burnings. I think people try to forget many things and sweep it under the rug but I remember driving by places and seeing a cross that had burned in someone's yard and my parents telling me it was because the people that lived there were either sympathetic to blacks or involved with black in one form or the other.

I know I get on a soapbox about these things but once incident I remember the most and I couldn't have been more than 4 or 5 is being at home and my daddy coming home soaked in blood one morning. (My dad never missed work and it was odd) He went to work as usual but stopped to buy gas at a station by the fairgrounds. A black man was standing in front of the station and someone had driven into him and pinned him between the car and building. The bumper caught his legs and almost severed them. They finally got the man (who was laughing) to back his car away and an ambulance coming when called and driving away without transporting him to the hospital because he was black. My daddy did what he could to stop the bleeding but he had severed an artery and literally bled to death. That is one of the few times I ever saw my daddy cry (oh, have you noticed..........I didn't have a dad or father, I had a daddy? Smile ) He sat down at the kitchen table with us and told us about holding that man as he cried and died and how he was kicked and cursed for his actions. No one would help the man except the other blacks that lived near and another white man that worked with my daddy that had also stopped at the station. One of the men called a friend that was a funeral director and he brought a hearse to remove his body. Talk about sick people and I lived near them. Sad

It's funny that now I think back and remember some of the situations that my parents placed us in and more than once being escorted to our cars by black men or police officers so the KKK would not bother us and remember the only fear I had at that time were of the men in white robes and hoods.

What I remember the most is my parents talking with neighbors, friends and family and them more or less blessing them out for exposing us to the dangers they exposed us to and wondering what in the heck they were talking about but understand all so well right now just how dangerous it really was but how much I learned and appreciate everything they did.
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Fu-Gee-La PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 1:57 pm

Justice in Jena by Reed Walters- DA Opinion in NYT

THE case of the so-called Jena Six has fired the imaginations of thousands, notably young African-Americans who, according to many of their comments, believe they will be in the vanguard of a new civil rights movement. Whether America needs a new civil rights movement I leave to social activists, politicians and the people who must give life to such a cause.

I am a small-town lawyer and prosecutor. For 16 years, it has been my job as the district attorney to review each criminal case brought to me by the police department or the sheriff, match the facts to any applicable laws and seek justice for those who have been harmed. The work is often rewarding, but not always.

I do not question the sincerity or motivation of the 10,000 or more protesters who descended on Jena last week, after riding hundreds of miles on buses. But long before reaching our town of 3,000 people, they had decided that a miscarriage of justice was taking place here. Their anger at me was summed up by a woman who said, “If you can figure out how to make a schoolyard fight into an attempted murder charge, I’m sure you can figure out how to make stringing nooses into a hate crime.”

That could be a compelling statement to someone trying to motivate listeners on a radio show, but as I am a lawyer obligated to enforce the laws of my state, it does not work for me.

I cannot overemphasize how abhorrent and stupid I find the placing of the nooses on the schoolyard tree in late August 2006. If those who committed that act considered it a prank, their sense of humor is seriously distorted. It was mean-spirited and deserves the condemnation of all decent people.

But it broke no law. I searched the Louisiana criminal code for a crime that I could prosecute. There is none.

Similarly, the United States attorney for the Western District of Louisiana, who is African-American, found no federal law against what was done.

A district attorney cannot take people to trial for acts not covered in the statutes. Imagine the trampling of individual rights that would occur if prosecutors were allowed to pursue every person whose behavior they disapproved of.

The “hate crime” the protesters wish me to prosecute does not exist as a stand-alone offense in Louisiana law. It’s not that our Legislature has turned a blind eye to crimes motivated by race or other personal characteristics, but it has addressed the problem in a way that does not cover what happened in Jena. The hate crime statute is used to enhance the sentences of defendants found guilty of specific crimes, like murder or rape, who chose their victims based on race, religion, sexual orientation or other factors.

Last week, a reporter asked me whether, if I had it to do over, I would do anything differently. I didn’t think of it at the time, but the answer is yes. I would have done a better job of explaining that the offenses of Dec. 4, 2006, did not stem from a “schoolyard fight” as it has been commonly described in the news media and by critics.

Conjure the image of schoolboys fighting: they exchange words, clench fists, throw punches, wrestle in the dirt until classmates or teachers pull them apart. Of course that would not be aggravated second-degree battery, which is what the attackers are now charged with. (Five of the defendants were originally charged with attempted second-degree murder.) But that’s not what happened at Jena High School.

The victim in this crime, who has been all but forgotten amid the focus on the defendants, was a young man named Justin Barker, who was not involved in the nooses incident three months earlier. According to all the credible evidence I am aware of, after lunch, he walked to his next class. As he passed through the gymnasium door to the outside, he was blindsided and knocked unconscious by a vicious blow to the head thrown by Mychal Bell. While lying on the ground unaware of what was happening to him, he was brutally kicked by at least six people.

Imagine you were walking down a city street, and someone leapt from behind a tree and hit you so hard that you fell to the sidewalk unconscious. Would you later describe that as a fight?

Only the intervention of an uninvolved student protected Mr. Barker from severe injury or death. There was serious bodily harm inflicted with a dangerous weapon — the definition of aggravated second-degree battery. Mr. Bell’s conviction on that charge as an adult has been overturned, but I considered adult status appropriate because of his role as the instigator of the attack, the seriousness of the charge and his prior criminal record.

I can understand the emotions generated by the juxtaposition of the noose incident with the attack on Mr. Barker and the outcomes for the perpetrators of each. In the final analysis, though, I am bound to enforce the laws of Louisiana as they exist today, not as they might in someone’s vision of a perfect world.

That is what I have done. And that is what I must continue to do.

Reed Walters is the district attorney of LaSalle Parish.

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Katie PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 4:48 pm

Re: Justice in Jena by Reed Walters- DA Opinion in NYT

Fu-Gee-La wrote:
THE case of the so-called Jena Six has fired the imaginations of thousands, notably young African-Americans who, according to many of their comments, believe they will be in the vanguard of a new civil rights movement. Whether America needs a new civil rights movement I leave to social activists, politicians and the people who must give life to such a cause.

I am a small-town lawyer and prosecutor. For 16 years, it has been my job as the district attorney to review each criminal case brought to me by the police department or the sheriff, match the facts to any applicable laws and seek justice for those who have been harmed. The work is often rewarding, but not always.

I do not question the sincerity or motivation of the 10,000 or more protesters who descended on Jena last week, after riding hundreds of miles on buses. But long before reaching our town of 3,000 people, they had decided that a miscarriage of justice was taking place here. Their anger at me was summed up by a woman who said, “If you can figure out how to make a schoolyard fight into an attempted murder charge, I’m sure you can figure out how to make stringing nooses into a hate crime.”

That could be a compelling statement to someone trying to motivate listeners on a radio show, but as I am a lawyer obligated to enforce the laws of my state, it does not work for me.

I cannot overemphasize how abhorrent and stupid I find the placing of the nooses on the schoolyard tree in late August 2006. If those who committed that act considered it a prank, their sense of humor is seriously distorted. It was mean-spirited and deserves the condemnation of all decent people.

But it broke no law. I searched the Louisiana criminal code for a crime that I could prosecute. There is none.

Similarly, the United States attorney for the Western District of Louisiana, who is African-American, found no federal law against what was done.

A district attorney cannot take people to trial for acts not covered in the statutes. Imagine the trampling of individual rights that would occur if prosecutors were allowed to pursue every person whose behavior they disapproved of.

The “hate crime” the protesters wish me to prosecute does not exist as a stand-alone offense in Louisiana law. It’s not that our Legislature has turned a blind eye to crimes motivated by race or other personal characteristics, but it has addressed the problem in a way that does not cover what happened in Jena. The hate crime statute is used to enhance the sentences of defendants found guilty of specific crimes, like murder or rape, who chose their victims based on race, religion, sexual orientation or other factors.

Last week, a reporter asked me whether, if I had it to do over, I would do anything differently. I didn’t think of it at the time, but the answer is yes. I would have done a better job of explaining that the offenses of Dec. 4, 2006, did not stem from a “schoolyard fight” as it has been commonly described in the news media and by critics.

Conjure the image of schoolboys fighting: they exchange words, clench fists, throw punches, wrestle in the dirt until classmates or teachers pull them apart. Of course that would not be aggravated second-degree battery, which is what the attackers are now charged with. (Five of the defendants were originally charged with attempted second-degree murder.) But that’s not what happened at Jena High School.

The victim in this crime, who has been all but forgotten amid the focus on the defendants, was a young man named Justin Barker, who was not involved in the nooses incident three months earlier. According to all the credible evidence I am aware of, after lunch, he walked to his next class. As he passed through the gymnasium door to the outside, he was blindsided and knocked unconscious by a vicious blow to the head thrown by Mychal Bell. While lying on the ground unaware of what was happening to him, he was brutally kicked by at least six people.

Imagine you were walking down a city street, and someone leapt from behind a tree and hit you so hard that you fell to the sidewalk unconscious. Would you later describe that as a fight?

Only the intervention of an uninvolved student protected Mr. Barker from severe injury or death. There was serious bodily harm inflicted with a dangerous weapon — the definition of aggravated second-degree battery. Mr. Bell’s conviction on that charge as an adult has been overturned, but I considered adult status appropriate because of his role as the instigator of the attack, the seriousness of the charge and his prior criminal record.

I can understand the emotions generated by the juxtaposition of the noose incident with the attack on Mr. Barker and the outcomes for the perpetrators of each. In the final analysis, though, I am bound to enforce the laws of Louisiana as they exist today, not as they might in someone’s vision of a perfect world.

That is what I have done. And that is what I must continue to do.

Reed Walters is the district attorney of LaSalle Parish.

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Fu-Gee-La PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:02 pm

Walters drops appeal

Prosecutor drops appeal in Louisiana race case
Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:21pm EDT

ATLANTA (Reuters) - A Louisiana prosecutor has dropped an appeal in the case of a 17-year-old accused of assaulting a school mate in a decision that could hasten the release of the youth at the center of civil rights protests.

District Attorney Reed Walters said he would not pursue an appeal to the Louisiana State Supreme Court to have Mychal Bell tried as an adult in the case, Marie Centanni, a spokeswoman for Gov. Kathleen Blanco, said on Thursday.

The decision would likely hasten Bell's release, Centanni said in comments echoed by a spokeswoman for civil rights leader Al Sharpton, who helped lead a mass protest in the small town of Jena last week.

"It means we might get him out today. We would be able to get bail," said Rachel Noerdlinger.

SNIP
Walters initially said he would appeal that ruling but changed his mind after an intervention from Blanco.
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN2738499520070927?pageNumber=2
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Fu-Gee-La PostPosted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:27 am

Change of Venue

Bell’s Release Lauded by Activists; Jackson Says Other Jena Six Trials Need Change of Venue

Date: Friday, September 28, 2007
By: Sherrel Wheeler Stewart, BlackAmericaWeb.com

After being locked up for 10 months in a Louisiana jail, the first thing Mychal Bell wanted to do Thursday evening was pray. The second thing the teen wanted to do was eat barbecued ribs.

The Rev. Al Sharpton, one of several national leaders calling for justice in the case of the teens known as the Jena Six, prayed with Bell, his parents and supporters outside the LaSalle Parish Courthouse in the tiny town of Jena. Sharpton jokingly told the crowd Bell’s mother would “have to take care of the ribs.”

Bell’s release from jail came just one week after thousands from across the country converged on the town calling for the equal justice in the case of six teens charged with beating a white schoolmate. Bell is the only who has been tried and convicted, but that conviction was overturned two weeks ago when an appeals court judge said the matter should have been handled in juvenile court, given Bell’s age at the time of the Dec. 4. 2006 incident.

Wednesday, Bell’s parents and civil rights leaders met with Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco and asked her to intervene. Blanco, a Democrat who had said she could do nothing because of the state’s separation of powers, called LaSalle Parish District Attorney Reed Walters with the group in her office and asked him not to pursue an appeal of the ruling. Walters had indicated he would indeed pursue the appeal, but announced Thursday that he would not.

Earlier in the day, the team of lawyers, led by Louis Scott, were successful in getting Bell’s bail reduced from $90,000 to $45,000. Ten percent of that amount was put up through a bondsman, and he walked out of a jail a free teen for the first time in 10 months.

he Rev. Jesse Jackson said he was pleased that Bell was finally released from jail, but said the teen never should have been in jail in the first place.

“To place a teen in an adult jail for 10 months on these charges is child abuse,”
Jackson told BlackAmericaWeb.com. “This was prosecutorial misconduct.”

Jackson said Bell’s record should now be expunged and maintained that the cases of the other five youths should be moved to another area because “they can not get a fair trial in Jena.”
http://www.blackamericaweb.com/site.aspx/bawnews/bellrelease928
I agree with Jackson on this and feel that Walters "opinion" was nothing better than a skirting cop out. This KID should have never ever been tried as an adult and never ever been sitting in jail this long for a HS beat down, having his life ruined because the adults and the school and the principal failed him.
Unreal. We have a drunk driving, gun toting, CHILD abusing Nazi free on less than 2K bail a town over, and they think that MB will get a fair trial. No farking WAY would these kids get a fair trial. I'm sure the Feds will agree once they really dig in to the White Supremacist sites they are investigating.
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Fu-Gee-La PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 6:04 pm

THIS is what I'm talkin'bout!

The United States attorney who investigated racially charged events in Jena, Louisiana -- including the hanging of nooses in a tree at a local high school -- was roundly condemned by Democrats during a House Judiciary Committee hearing on Tuesday.

Donald Washington, who was appointed by President Bush as US Attorney for the Western District of Louisiana, had stated previously that no link existed between the nooses, which appeared in a tree at Jena High School in August 2006, and the beating of a white student the following December. Six black teens were originally charged with attempted murder in the incident, although the charges were later reduced.

At the hearing, Washington stated that although in his opinion the hanging of the nooses did indeed constitute a hate crime, it was not a prosecutable offense because the three white students alleged to have hung the nooses were all minors.

Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-TX) sharply rebuked Washington for not intervening in what she viewed as an over-prosecution of the black Jena teenagers by Louisiana district attorney, Reed Walters, who originally brought the case.

"I'm asking you to go back and I'm asking you to find a way to release Mychal Bell and the Jena six," Rep. Lee said, addressing Washington. " My question that goes down the road: I want to know why in the course of meetings of local district attorneys, why you didn't engage with Mr. Reed Walters, who may be subject to prosecutorial abuse, and confer with him and say 'Mr. Walters, this is not the way to handle this case.'"

"Mr. Washington, tell me why you didn't intervene," Lee continued, her voice rising as applause rang out in the chamber. "Not by way of the legal system, but the consultation that US attorneys have with the local district attorneys. Broken lives could have been prevented if you had taken the symbolic responsibility that you have being the first African American appointed to the Western District."

"I don't know what else to say, I am outraged," she said, and apologized for the "increased spirit" of her questioning.
US attorney says hands were tied

Washington, however, took issue with Lee's criticisms.

"First of all, I did intervene, I did engage the DA," he responded. "We had conversations about his chargings and things. At the end of the day there are only certain things that a US attorney can do, that a federal representative can do, in respect to a state and how it handles its criminal justice system."

"I was also offended," Washington continued. "I too am an African American. I was very offended by what I heard. I took steps to see what we could do."

California's Rep. Maxine Waters said later that she was "disappointed that district attorney Reed Walters is not before us today. That's who I wanted."

After House Judiciary Chairman John Conyers (D-MI) commented that Walters had indeed been invited to testify at the hearing but had declined, a voice from the audience yelled "subpoena him!"

"We do know you have the power of the subpoena," Waters told Conyers moments later.

Rep. Betty Sutton (D-OH) also took attorney Washington and the Justice Department to task for not stepping in more forcefully.

"Now we all agree that it was a hate crime, and yet there was no response from our legal system of what we acknowledge as a hate crime," she said. "So while we say its a hate crime, if we don't act on it like a hate crime, then I don't really believe it."

"Explain to me how the people out there in this country can accept that our justice system can do no better than to go in on June 12, 2007 to start to address this issue," she said of the Department of Justice's inquiry that came 10 months after the hanging of the nooses.

Justice Department attorney Lisa Krigsten, who also testified before the committee, countered that the DOJ had actually dispatched a representative to talk to school officials, as well an FBI agent to investigate, in August 2006.

Krigsten said that although it was "undeniable" that noose hanging constituted a ""a symbol of hate and racial violence," the federal investigation found it wasn't appropriate -- due to the ages of those involved -- to bring charges.

“The Department of Justice is aware that there are requests to investigate the judicial system in Jena,” she said. “At this time, the Justice Department is gathering information and reviewing that information and taking that request very seriously.”

The Southern Poverty Law Center's Richard Cohen, who also gave testimony, said that bringing charges against the white teens who hung the nooses was not at the heart of the issue at hand.

"Right now people call for the prosecution of the noose hangers in some sense to balance the scales because of what happened to the Jena six, them being over-charged, I think that's the wrong-headed response," he said.

"I don't fault the US attorney for not filing charges," Cohen added, "but I do think the way the school handled it was a recipe for disaster. And that's what happened."

Since publicity about the Jena events, reports of nooses have surfaced from around the country, including one found in the bag of a black Coast Guard Cadet and another on the door of a black Columbia University professor.

"I think the reason why we are seeing what some call copycat nooses, and I would call just racists that feel empowered, is why wouldn't they?"said Rev. Al Sharpton at the hearing. "Nothing happened when a noose was hanged. And when people get the message that they can do this and nothing will happen, they will continue to do it."

The following videos are from CNN.com, broadcast on October 16, 2007.

Rep. Lee blasts US attorney Donald Washington:
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Rep._Lee_grills_D.A._over_Jena_1016.html\

Videos at link above. Shocked I couldn't agree more with Rep. Lee - she tells it like it is! And Walters - oh boy what a wuss. Rolling Eyes I guess he has lost the big sack he was totin' when he charged the Jena6 as adults and charged Bell with ATTEMPTED MURDER with a shoe? Wher'd it go? Rolling Eyes Yet another case of the disappearing sack. Rolling Eyes
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Schmerty PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 6:46 pm

There is a wonderful program on OPRAH . There is Bill Cosby,Dr. Alvin Poussant . How many centuries will the land of immigrants take to be the land of Equality"? Bring me your poor, your hungry.......

You may say i'm a dreamer
But i'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will be as one
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tulsad PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:11 pm

Re: THIS is what I'm talkin'bout!

Fu-Gee-La wrote:
The United States attorney who investigated racially charged events in Jena, Louisiana -- including the hanging of nooses in a tree at a local high school -- was roundly condemned by Democrats during a House Judiciary Committee hearing on Tuesday.

Donald Washington, who was appointed by President Bush as US Attorney for the Western District of Louisiana, had stated previously that no link existed between the nooses, which appeared in a tree at Jena High School in August 2006, and the beating of a white student the following December. Six black teens were originally charged with attempted murder in the incident, although the charges were later reduced.

At the hearing, Washington stated that although in his opinion the hanging of the nooses did indeed constitute a hate crime, it was not a prosecutable offense because the three white students alleged to have hung the nooses were all minors.

Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D-TX) sharply rebuked Washington for not intervening in what she viewed as an over-prosecution of the black Jena teenagers by Louisiana district attorney, Reed Walters, who originally brought the case.

"I'm asking you to go back and I'm asking you to find a way to release Mychal Bell and the Jena six," Rep. Lee said, addressing Washington. " My question that goes down the road: I want to know why in the course of meetings of local district attorneys, why you didn't engage with Mr. Reed Walters, who may be subject to prosecutorial abuse, and confer with him and say 'Mr. Walters, this is not the way to handle this case.'"

"Mr. Washington, tell me why you didn't intervene," Lee continued, her voice rising as applause rang out in the chamber. "Not by way of the legal system, but the consultation that US attorneys have with the local district attorneys. Broken lives could have been prevented if you had taken the symbolic responsibility that you have being the first African American appointed to the Western District."

"I don't know what else to say, I am outraged," she said, and apologized for the "increased spirit" of her questioning.
US attorney says hands were tied

Washington, however, took issue with Lee's criticisms.

"First of all, I did intervene, I did engage the DA," he responded. "We had conversations about his chargings and things. At the end of the day there are only certain things that a US attorney can do, that a federal representative can do, in respect to a state and how it handles its criminal justice system."

"I was also offended," Washington continued. "I too am an African American. I was very offended by what I heard. I took steps to see what we could do."

California's Rep. Maxine Waters said later that she was "disappointed that district attorney Reed Walters is not before us today. That's who I wanted."

After House Judiciary Chairman John Conyers (D-MI) commented that Walters had indeed been invited to testify at the hearing but had declined, a voice from the audience yelled "subpoena him!"

"We do know you have the power of the subpoena," Waters told Conyers moments later.

Rep. Betty Sutton (D-OH) also took attorney Washington and the Justice Department to task for not stepping in more forcefully.

"Now we all agree that it was a hate crime, and yet there was no response from our legal system of what we acknowledge as a hate crime," she said. "So while we say its a hate crime, if we don't act on it like a hate crime, then I don't really believe it."

"Explain to me how the people out there in this country can accept that our justice system can do no better than to go in on June 12, 2007 to start to address this issue," she said of the Department of Justice's inquiry that came 10 months after the hanging of the nooses.

Justice Department attorney Lisa Krigsten, who also testified before the committee, countered that the DOJ had actually dispatched a representative to talk to school officials, as well an FBI agent to investigate, in August 2006.

Krigsten said that although it was "undeniable" that noose hanging constituted a ""a symbol of hate and racial violence," the federal investigation found it wasn't appropriate -- due to the ages of those involved -- to bring charges.

“The Department of Justice is aware that there are requests to investigate the judicial system in Jena,” she said. “At this time, the Justice Department is gathering information and reviewing that information and taking that request very seriously.”

The Southern Poverty Law Center's Richard Cohen, who also gave testimony, said that bringing charges against the white teens who hung the nooses was not at the heart of the issue at hand.

"Right now people call for the prosecution of the noose hangers in some sense to balance the scales because of what happened to the Jena six, them being over-charged, I think that's the wrong-headed response," he said.

"I don't fault the US attorney for not filing charges," Cohen added, "but I do think the way the school handled it was a recipe for disaster. And that's what happened."

Since publicity about the Jena events, reports of nooses have surfaced from around the country, including one found in the bag of a black Coast Guard Cadet and another on the door of a black Columbia University professor.

"I think the reason why we are seeing what some call copycat nooses, and I would call just racists that feel empowered, is why wouldn't they?"said Rev. Al Sharpton at the hearing. "Nothing happened when a noose was hanged. And when people get the message that they can do this and nothing will happen, they will continue to do it."

The following videos are from CNN.com, broadcast on October 16, 2007.

Rep. Lee blasts US attorney Donald Washington:
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Rep._Lee_grills_D.A._over_Jena_1016.html\

Videos at link above. Shocked I couldn't agree more with Rep. Lee - she tells it like it is! And Walters - oh boy what a wuss. Rolling Eyes I guess he has lost the big sack he was totin' when he charged the Jena6 as adults and charged Bell with ATTEMPTED MURDER with a shoe? Wher'd it go? Rolling Eyes Yet another case of the disappearing sack. Rolling Eyes


I don't often agree with what Sheila Jackson Lee has to say - I think her abrasive approach sometimes just makes me stop listening. What she is quoted here as saying is right on target. She's an intelligent woman and I would venture a guess that the reason she "apologized for the "increased spirit" of her questioning" might be because this isn't simply a political issue - the lives of young kids are at stake. She could have taken a totally different approach - some would call it a "race card;" I don't see her as someone who needs tricks, I think she's just plain fed up and pissed - but she appears to have had the wisdom to realize that would not help these kids.

As far as not being able to prosecute the "boys" who hung the nooses for a hate crime because they were minors - the fact Bell was a minor didn't stop him from be charged with attempted murder as an adult.

Reed Walters declined an invitation to testify before the hearing - why? I would think that he would be very appreciative to have the opportunity to address the HJC - and the nation - regarding his decisions. Given the reaction to what has happened and the fact that Bell was jailed after the tremendous outcry from the public, he owes at least Louisiana an explanation - and many of the rest of us would love to hear it.
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Fu-Gee-La PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 9:22 pm

It is a REAL problem

Great post tulsa, and I can see why she is fed up. She should be. ALL the black leaders in the community should be! Enough is enough, and the black community will never ever become as strong as they feel if they do not fight for their rights as American citizens entitled to basic and decent and fair governance- and they must DEMAND respect.

People think that discrimination against Blacks is something of the past and that should be "forgotten" and "gotten over" have got another thing coming- not only is it a thing of the past, but now, we are making an industry out of it- and legally- it's called our multi-billion dollar prison system! Taking new "applications" every day!

Check this out-
One of the world’s most respected scientists is embroiled in an extraordinary row after claiming that black people are less intelligent than white people.

James Watson, a Nobel Prize winner for his part in discovering the structure of DNA, has provoked outrage with his comments, made ahead of his arrival in Britain today.

More fierce criticism of the eminent scientist is expected as he embarks on a number of engagements to promote a new book ‘Avoid Boring People: Lessons from a Life in Science’. Among his first commitments is a speech to a London audience at the Science Museum on Friday. The event is sold out.

Dr Watson, who runs one of America’s leading scientific research institutions, made the controversial remarks in an interview in The Sunday Times.

The 79-year-old geneticist said he was “inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa” because “all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours - whereas all the testing says not really.". He said he hoped that everyone was equal, but countered that “people who have to deal with black employees find this not true”.

He says that you should not discriminate on the basis of colour, because “there is no firm reason to anticipate that the intellectual capacities of peoples geographically separated in their evolution should prove to have evolved identically. there are many people of colour who are very talented, but don’t promote them when they haven’t succeeded at the lower level”. He writes that “ Our wanting to reserve equal powers of reason as some universal heritage of humanity will not be enough to make it so”.

He claimed genes responsible for creating differences in human intelligence could be found within a decade.

The newly formed Equality and Human Rights Commission is studying Dr Watson’s remarks “in full”.

Keith Vaz, the Labour chairman of the Home Affairs Select Committee, said today: “It is sad to see a scientist of such achievement making such baseless, unscientific and extremely offensive comments.
....
Dr Watson is no stranger to controversy. He has been reported in the past saying that a woman should have the right to abort her unborn child if tests could determine it would be homosexual.

In addition, he has suggested a link between skin colour and sex drive, proposing a theory that black people have higher libidos.

He also claimed that beauty could be genetically manufactured, saying: “People say it would be terrible if we made all girls pretty. I think it would be great.”

Commenting on Dr Watson’s current views about race, Steven Rose, a professor of biological sciences at the Open University, said: “This is Watson at his most scandalous. He has said similar things about women before but I have never heard him get into this racist terrain.

He added: “If he knew the literature in the subject he would know he was out of his depth scientifically, quite apart from socially and politically.”
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article2677098.ece?token=null&offset=12
Not only has this man lost his mind, he's an idiot. Rolling Eyes But you know what they say- Make it idiot proof and someone will build a better idiot. Rolling Eyes
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