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victims cry
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Mon Dec 17, 2007 12:11 am |
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Joe Tacopina.."no inconsistent statements"
was on Geraldo tonight, and since he practices in Italy quite often (which answered my own question re was he an international litigator) he has read the actual Italian authorities papers/statements.
He said that not only are Amanda Knox's actual statements not inconsistent but the ivory coast guy (whom he said gave 2 vastly different ones) in both statements exonerated Amanda.
So now im wondering.
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| victims cry
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eta. he went up against Jeanine Pirro and said flat out to her "you have not read the statements" when she disagreed, and then geraldo immediately shut down convo
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btw i am not fluent any longer, but i understand far more than i can speak, so if ppl have any italian articles i can do my best to translate.
Wont be perfect but better than our media imo
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| George
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Mon Dec 17, 2007 7:33 am |
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Is this an overture to start discussing the Italian justice system from the perspective of the presumed superior US system? Maybe mr. Tapicono will be able to use his very basic command of the Italian language to explain the Italian justice system to broad audiences in the US, of course after a short briefing on where exactly the country of Italy can be found on the World Map (somewhat east of New Zealand). Or: is mr. Tapicono now striving for international stardom, an initiative certainly to be applauded by the Tapicono-groupies? The prosecutors in Italy are likely to shiver by the mere thought of Tapicono's arrival on Italian soil !
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| BhamMom
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Mon Dec 17, 2007 11:19 am |
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Re: Joe Tacopina.."no inconsistent statements"
| victims cry wrote: | was on Geraldo tonight, and since he practices in Italy quite often (which answered my own question re was he an international litigator) he has read the actual Italian authorities papers/statements.
He said that not only are Amanda Knox's actual statements not inconsistent but the ivory coast guy (whom he said gave 2 vastly different ones) in both statements exonerated Amanda.
So now im wondering. |
I think she was so screwed up on drugs she has no idea what she was doing. She may have been so screwed up that she was there and not aware. It can happen.
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| pax
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Mon Dec 17, 2007 1:00 pm |
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| George wrote: | | Is this an overture to start discussing the Italian justice system from the perspective of the presumed superior US system? Maybe mr. Tapicono will be able to use his very basic command of the Italian language to explain the Italian justice system to broad audiences in the US, of course after a short briefing on where exactly the country of Italy can be found on the World Map (somewhat east of New Zealand). Or: is mr. Tapicono now striving for international stardom, an initiative certainly to be applauded by the Tapicono-groupies? The prosecutors in Italy are likely to shiver by the mere thought of Tapicono's arrival on Italian soil ! |
If it's on Fox, it very well could be.
I'm interested in the Italian justice system, and would like to learn more about it. Of course, recognizing the absolute right of that system to determine justice as it sees fit.
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Mon Dec 17, 2007 3:03 pm |
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Re: Joe Tacopina.."no inconsistent statements"
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I think she was so screwed up on drugs she has no idea what she was doing. She may have been so screwed up that she was there and not aware. It can happen. |
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| Schmerty
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Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:20 pm |
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Re: Joe Tacopina.."no inconsistent statements"
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It's a good excuse BUT NOT a defense!!!
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| SavannahStar
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Mon Dec 17, 2007 6:44 pm |
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Re: Joe Tacopina.."no inconsistent statements"
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It's a good excuse BUT NOT a defense!!! |
I fully agree! 
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| PufPuf93
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Mon Dec 17, 2007 8:23 pm |
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| George wrote: | | Is this an overture to start discussing the Italian justice system from the perspective of the presumed superior US system? Maybe mr. Tapicono will be able to use his very basic command of the Italian language to explain the Italian justice system to broad audiences in the US, of course after a short briefing on where exactly the country of Italy can be found on the World Map (somewhat east of New Zealand). Or: is mr. Tapicono now striving for international stardom, an initiative certainly to be applauded by the Tapicono-groupies? The prosecutors in Italy are likely to shiver by the mere thought of Tapicono's arrival on Italian soil ! |
Joe Tacopina has a law office in Milan, Italy.
The Law Offices of Tacopina & Seigel, P.C. are located:
New York:
275 Madison Avenue, 35th flr
New York, NY 10016
Tel (212) 227-8877
Fax (212) 619-1028
Milan:
Via Domenichino, n. 35
20149 Milano
Italy
Tel (02) 48012455
http://www.tacopinalaw.com/contact.html
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| yankee-in-france
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She was strung out on drugs but somehow allegedly managed an attempt to clean up the site and get rid of the murder weapon.
If true, a few brain cells were working.
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| Need2Know
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Tue Dec 18, 2007 8:24 am |
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| yankee-in-france wrote: | She was strung out on drugs but somehow allegedly managed an attempt to clean up the site and get rid of the murder weapon.
If true, a few brain cells were working. |
Hi Yiffy 
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| yankee-in-france
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Tue Dec 18, 2007 11:21 am |
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Hi, N2K
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| George
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Tue Dec 18, 2007 12:02 pm |
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| PufPuf93 wrote: | | George wrote: | | Is this an overture to start discussing the Italian justice system from the perspective of the presumed superior US system? Maybe mr. Tapicono will be able to use his very basic command of the Italian language to explain the Italian justice system to broad audiences in the US, of course after a short briefing on where exactly the country of Italy can be found on the World Map (somewhat east of New Zealand). Or: is mr. Tapicono now striving for international stardom, an initiative certainly to be applauded by the Tapicono-groupies? The prosecutors in Italy are likely to shiver by the mere thought of Tapicono's arrival on Italian soil ! |
Joe Tacopina has a law office in Milan, Italy.
The Law Offices of Tacopina & Seigel, P.C. are located:
New York:
275 Madison Avenue, 35th flr
New York, NY 10016
Tel (212) 227-8877
Fax (212) 619-1028
Milan:
Via Domenichino, n. 35
20149 Milano
Italy
Tel (02) 48012455
http://www.tacopinalaw.com/contact.html |
Lets wait and see how Mr. Tacopina will use his knowledge of weirdish "foreign" legal systems..
Its not only ARUBA having a different legal system as compared to that of the United States (it took babbling reporters on Aruba 6 months to discover that). Italian law falls into the category of Civil Law as opposed to the US system falling in the category of Common Law.
Civil law is the most widespread system of law in the world and derives mainly from the Roman Empire, and more particularly, the Corpus Juris Civilis
Countries having the Civil Law (or European Continental Law):
French civil law: in France, the Benelux (Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg) countries, including the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba, Italy, Spain and former colonies of those countries;
German civil law: in Germany, Austria, Croatia, Switzerland, Greece, Portugal, Turkey, Japan, South Korea and the Republic of China;
Scandinavian civil law: in Denmark, Norway and Sweden. Finland and Iceland inherited the system from their neighbors.
Countries having the Common Law (based on English law):
Ireland, United Kingdom (excluding Scotland), Australia, India, South Africa, Canada (excluding Quebec), Hong Kong and the United States (excluding Louisiana) and many more places. In addition to these countries, several others have adapted the common law system into a mixed system. For example, Pakistan and Nigeria operate largely on a common law system, but incorporate religious law.
In the European Union the Court of Justice takes an approach mixing civil law (based on the treaties) with an attachment to the importance of case law.
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| PufPuf93
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Tue Dec 18, 2007 3:14 pm |
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| George wrote: | | PufPuf93 wrote: | | George wrote: | | Is this an overture to start discussing the Italian justice system from the perspective of the presumed superior US system? Maybe mr. Tapicono will be able to use his very basic command of the Italian language to explain the Italian justice system to broad audiences in the US, of course after a short briefing on where exactly the country of Italy can be found on the World Map (somewhat east of New Zealand). Or: is mr. Tapicono now striving for international stardom, an initiative certainly to be applauded by the Tapicono-groupies? The prosecutors in Italy are likely to shiver by the mere thought of Tapicono's arrival on Italian soil ! |
Joe Tacopina has a law office in Milan, Italy.
The Law Offices of Tacopina & Seigel, P.C. are located:
New York:
275 Madison Avenue, 35th flr
New York, NY 10016
Tel (212) 227-8877
Fax (212) 619-1028
Milan:
Via Domenichino, n. 35
20149 Milano
Italy
Tel (02) 48012455
http://www.tacopinalaw.com/contact.html |
Lets wait and see how Mr. Tacopina will use his knowledge of weirdish "foreign" legal systems..
Its not only ARUBA having a different legal system as compared to that of the United States (it took babbling reporters on Aruba 6 months to discover that). Italian law falls into the category of Civil Law as opposed to the US system falling in the category of Common Law.
Civil law is the most widespread system of law in the world and derives mainly from the Roman Empire, and more particularly, the Corpus Juris Civilis
Countries having the Civil Law (or European Continental Law):
French civil law: in France, the Benelux (Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg) countries, including the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba, Italy, Spain and former colonies of those countries;
German civil law: in Germany, Austria, Croatia, Switzerland, Greece, Portugal, Turkey, Japan, South Korea and the Republic of China;
Scandinavian civil law: in Denmark, Norway and Sweden. Finland and Iceland inherited the system from their neighbors.
Countries having the Common Law (based on English law):
Ireland, United Kingdom (excluding Scotland), Australia, India, South Africa, Canada (excluding Quebec), Hong Kong and the United States (excluding Louisiana) and many more places. In addition to these countries, several others have adapted the common law system into a mixed system. For example, Pakistan and Nigeria operate largely on a common law system, but incorporate religious law.
In the European Union the Court of Justice takes an approach mixing civil law (based on the treaties) with an attachment to the importance of case law. |
Thank you for the explanations. I am an American and respect and see the pluses and minuses and thing that I do not understand in any system. That seems to be the purposes of lawyers under any system. There are Americans that are respectful and appreciative that other countries have different legal systems and cultures.
IMO American tabloid media and attorneys did an extremely poor job regarding Natalee Holloway and made the situation worse. Tacopina seemed the one American lawyer -- serving mostly as a public spokesman -- that was most respectful and cognizant of the different system in Aruba. Had it not been for this post, I would not have even known Tacopina had commented on this case but I did know that he had a professional presence in Italy. 
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Hummmmmm?
| yankee-in-france wrote: | She was strung out on drugs but somehow allegedly managed an attempt to clean up the site and get rid of the murder weapon.
If true, a few brain cells were working. |
Ummm, hummmm.... the reports say that the whole apartment was cleaned with bleach to the point that Amanda's fingerprints weren't even found in her own bedroom or anywhere in the apartment, except for one coffee cup in the kitchen. And, and, and, apparantly, there were receipts found for bleach in Sollecito's apartment!
And I am unclear on how Joe T. has copies of the statements that Amanda Knox submitted.
I have been following the case closely and everything that I have read, says that Amanda has given at least three differnet accounts of that night.
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Yeah! Tocapina J.D. Just wait until some strung out crack head dopehead murders your daughter to pay for her drugs......Buuttt IF SHE IS MIXED RACE ...then it doesn't matter........ GUESS WHAT.......WE ARE ALL MIXED............SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO??????????
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i think little amanda is framing folks left and right
it is going to come down to her and guede. she dragged the boyfriend in on the cleanup or at least left some stuff at his place for the cops to find. i read early on she and guede were seen at a laundromat after the murder.
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| iquitos
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| PufPuf93 wrote: |
Thank you for the explanations. I am an American and respect and see the pluses and minuses and thing that I do not understand in any system. That seems to be the purposes of lawyers under any system. There are Americans that are respectful and appreciative that other countries have different legal systems and cultures.
IMO American tabloid media and attorneys did an extremely poor job regarding Natalee Holloway and made the situation worse. Tacopina seemed the one American lawyer -- serving mostly as a public spokesman -- that was most respectful and cognizant of the different system in Aruba. Had it not been for this post, I would not have even known Tacopina had commented on this case but I did know that he had a professional presence in Italy. |
very well said. notice that when the american blonde is the designated perp the us tabloid media is virtually invisible.
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Fri Dec 21, 2007 12:09 pm |
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Re: Hummmmmm?
| batmanCJ wrote: |
Ummm, hummmm.... the reports say that the whole apartment was cleaned with bleach to the point that Amanda's fingerprints weren't even found in her own bedroom or anywhere in the apartment, except for one coffee cup in the kitchen. And, and, and, apparantly, there were receipts found for bleach in Sollecito's apartment!
And I am unclear on how Joe T. has copies of the statements that Amanda Knox submitted.
I have been following the case closely and everything that I have read, says that Amanda has given at least three differnet accounts of that night. |
joe is everywhere!
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is -joe -knox defense attorney?.....tia
don't know anything about this case, only what is posted here...
who do you think done it?....
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They found DNA evidence from her and there are other things that point to her presence at the crime scene. That Guede guy already said he was there.
I don`t know yet what her italian bf`s role is, if any....
But till now it looks like she`s toast.....
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Psycho toast.
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| hubbahuba
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Re: i think little amanda is framing folks left and right
| iquitos wrote: | | it is going to come down to her and guede. she dragged the boyfriend in on the cleanup or at least left some stuff at his place for the cops to find. i read early on she and guede were seen at a laundromat after the murder. |
from reading about here, that is what i gathered -iquitos.....i think -solecito was implicated without wanting to be....i don't think she cares enough about -solecito as her beau of only 2 weeks, but -guede may have been more useful to her, as a supplier of whatever synthetic she seeked...
laundromat, was the clean up time for them, i do think she may have commanded -solecito to move the body into a position as if an intruder scene would play out...
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Re: i think little amanda is framing folks left and right
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from reading about here, that is what i gathered -iquitos.....i think -solecito was implicated without wanting to be....i don't think she cares enough about -solecito as her beau of only 2 weeks, but -guede may have been more useful to her, as a supplier of whatever synthetic she seeked...
laundromat, was the clean up time for them, i do think she may have commanded -solecito to move the body into a position as if an intruder scene would play out...
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i can't wait for the next installment. the mainstream uk press has done a great job on this story. they have their best people on it and they are competing for the scoop.
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