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yankee-in-france
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Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:15 pm |
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I just saw that, Appy. I wonder too. I would think that he will endorse Obama but who knows.
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| Alexandria
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Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:58 pm |
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| yankee-in-france wrote: | | It is interesting, Alexandria. What are your thoughts? If you tell me yours, I'll tell you mine. |
Well, I need to think about this a bit more.
But, just a quick reaction. I wonder if the Kennedy slap in the face was more toward Bill than Hillary?
I wonder if Senator Kennedy would prefer a candidate that he felt he could influence more. Obama is a bit wet behind the ears. Perhaps more pliable than Hillary would be should she sit in the Oval Office?
I would like to hear more about HOW Mr. Obama would make the changes that we so desperately need. I'm wondering how this split in the democratic party, between two very strong individuals, will bear on the election. Will the Republican party candidate end up the winner in this feud?
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| justamom
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Wed Jan 30, 2008 6:05 pm |
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The republican party will end up the winner in this feud if the fracture in the democratic party doesnt stop. No one likes bickering and feuding between parties in the same party. It doesnt show very much strength when they do silly things like play the race card, or call each other names. Ultimately the dems want to win this election, but they wont unless they can come together, have a good ticket people can feel good about and agree on whats important to bring change about.
if they dont they will look like a weaker PARTY.
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| DocTar
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Wed Jan 30, 2008 6:09 pm |
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My thoughts:
I do not care for Shrillary. She is not Bill.
I don't know enough about Obama, but something about him is very inspiring; something I have not felt for a very long time.
Many Republicans are going to jump ship this year because of what Bush has done to our country. I don't think any Republican candidate can beat either Hillary or Obama.
I was impressed by McCain's speech after his Florida win.
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| woebedamned
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Wed Jan 30, 2008 6:17 pm |
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delete -- too negative
Last edited by woebedamned on Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:21 pm; edited 1 time in total
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Damn it All!!!!
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| SavannahStar
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Wed Jan 30, 2008 6:29 pm |
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| woebedamned wrote: |
I dont see the republicans having much of a chance this time around. I would prefer Obama over Hillary, but I think in the end it will come down to McCain vs Hillary, and Hillary will win the election. |
 Yikes.
I think it will be McCain vs. Obama and I think Obama will win.
I like Hillary a lot in many, many ways. But as DocTar said, she's not Bill. Obama sure has the charisma.
I like McCain somewhat, although there is something "shifty" about him. In any event, I am ready for a change to the Democrats for the next Presidency.
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| DocTar
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Wed Jan 30, 2008 6:35 pm |
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| SavannahStar wrote: |
Yikes.
I think it will be McCain vs. Obama and I think Obama will win.
I like Hillary a lot in many, many ways. But as DocTar said, she's not Bill. Obama sure has the charisma.
I like McCain somewhat, although there is something "shifty" about him. In any event, I am ready for a change to the Democrats for the next Presidency. |
I agree, Savannah. I think it will be Obama, and I think he will win.
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| woebedamned
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Wed Jan 30, 2008 6:45 pm |
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delete -- too negative
Last edited by woebedamned on Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:22 pm; edited 1 time in total
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Damn it All!!!!
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| SavannahStar
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Wed Jan 30, 2008 6:58 pm |
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| woebedamned wrote: |
I hope you are right. In my case, there really is no one I would say "That's who I want to be our next president". I will most likely vote against, rather than for a canidate. |
My son and I have gotten into watching some of the debates and have gotten somewhat interested/involved.
Gosh I used to adore Guiliani at one time......he's really lost popularity. I thought he'd do a lot better. Romney I have NO interest in. My son and I both liked Ron Paul but he never stood a chance. My top choice was really John Edwards in many ways....but he's out now too.
So......well I tell you one thing, if Hillary gets the nomination I just may be voting "against" her. Which is really kinda strange, as she is one woman I truly admire VERY much. I just don't want her for President. I DO like Obama.
This is some race.....
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| apodixis
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Wed Jan 30, 2008 9:40 pm |
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Gov. Schwarzenegger to Endorse McCain
Will the Kali-fornia “Terminator’s” endorsement help beat Hillary?
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=2008-01-30_D8UGJ1T80&show_article=1&cat=breaking
“McCain: I would have started Iraq war regardless of WMD”
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/McCain_I_would_have_started_Iraq_0106.html
"Ron Paul: McCain's Reckless '100 years in Iraq' Comment Endangers Americans"
http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS183560+07-Jan-2008+BW20080107
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| apodixis
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Thu Jan 31, 2008 11:49 am |
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What’s involved in the Feb. 5 “Super Tuesday” primaries and caucuses:
On the Democrat side 2,025 delegates of approximately 4,000 are needed to win. Currently Clinton has 256, Obama 181, and Edwards 64. On Super Tuesday, 1,681 delegates from 22 states and one territory are up for grabs. The two remaining candidates will divide them in proportion to the votes they get, and the polls show very close races, with Clinton slightly ahead.
On the Democratic side there are 852 unelected super delegates, 42 percent of the total delegates needed to win the nomination. This category includes Democratic governors and current members of Congress, former presidents Clinton and Carter, retired Congressional leaders and all Democratic National Committee members, some of who are appointed by party chairman Howard Dean.
On the Republican side 1,191 delegates of approximately 2,000 delegates are needed to win. Currently McCain has 93, Romney 59, and Huckabee 40. On Super Tuesday 975 delegates from 21 states are up for grabs. Unlike the Dems all delegates are elected by the voters, and some states are “winner take all” where whoever gets the most votes gets all of the delegates from that state.
There will be a last Democratic debate before the 22 state Feb. 5 Super Tuesday vote, tonight, Thursday, moderated by Wolf Blitzer on CNN at 8 PM ET. It is expected to be contentious between Obama and Clinton.
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| pax
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Thu Jan 31, 2008 12:19 pm |
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Tonight will be an interesting debate between Clinton and Obama. There's a lot at stake. Can Obama gain enough ground to win Super Tuesday? We'll see.
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| apodixis
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Fri Feb 01, 2008 5:32 am |
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ANN COULTER: ‘I WILL CAMPAIGN FOR HER [HILLARY] IF IT’S MCCAIN’
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=39834 
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McCain meets the Kali-fornia Terminator
http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/01/31/i-know-you-have-a-caption-for-this-picture/comment-page-1/#comments
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| SavannahStar
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Fri Feb 01, 2008 6:40 am |
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| pax wrote: | | Tonight will be an interesting debate between Clinton and Obama. There's a lot at stake. Can Obama gain enough ground to win Super Tuesday? We'll see. |
Any comments on it from anyone?
We turned it on but only watched about the first 15 minutes.
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**SuperStar**
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| Alexandria
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Fri Feb 01, 2008 9:17 am |
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Bill Clinton.
Very front and center in this race.
Do you think he is helping or harming Hillary?
(I tend to think he is hurting her more than helping her right now.)
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| apodixis
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Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:51 pm |
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The Dem debate was more cordial, and they gave more detailed answers on health care and the economy than the Reps did. Obama is only expected to get a majority in his home state of Illinois, but since the two will get delegates proportional to the public vote, and national polls show Clinton 43%, Obama 39%, the Dem election won’t be decided on Super Tuesday.
The Republican race is more interesting because since many primaries are winner take all, Super Tuesday will make a greater difference in delegate count there. What is really interesting is that conservatives really dislike McCain:
McCain's GOP: Big Tent or Badly Fractured?
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/01/31/mccains_gop_big_tent_or_badly.html
Talk radio impugns McCain's liberal record
http://washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080130/NATION/182618881/1001
With McCain at 39% to Romney’s 22% and Huckabee’s 17% nationally, it looks like the conservative movement in the GOP is collapsing.
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| pax
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Fri Feb 01, 2008 2:09 pm |
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| SavannahStar wrote: |
Any comments on it from anyone?
We turned it on but only watched about the first 15 minutes. |
Watched the whole debate and enjoyed it. I like them both and hope they'll run together. Policy-wise they are similar. In the primary I'm voting for Obama because I like his relaxed self-assurance and call to people to achieve change.
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| SavannahStar
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Fri Feb 01, 2008 2:35 pm |
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| pax wrote: |
Watched the whole debate and enjoyed it. I like them both and hope they'll run together. Policy-wise they are similar. In the primary I'm voting for Obama because I like his relaxed self-assurance and call to people to achieve change. |
Thanks Pax. I did read today in the news they were about neck-and-neck as far as how well they each did last night.
I voted for Obama in our Primary.
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**SuperStar**
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| wvgirl
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Fri Feb 01, 2008 3:23 pm |
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| pax wrote: |
Watched the whole debate and enjoyed it. I like them both and hope they'll run together. Policy-wise they are similar. In the primary I'm voting for Obama because I like his relaxed self-assurance and call to people to achieve change. |
I enjoyed watching it, too. I like them both also, so for me it would be ideal if they run together.
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| apodixis
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Sun Feb 03, 2008 2:21 pm |
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Barack Obama has surged to a tie with Clinton in California, from being behind Clinton by 25 points in October and 12 points in January.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/02/03/MNF7UR6FE.DTL&tsp=1
With its 400 delegates, California is the big enchilada, and the Obama capaign has called out the big guns - Oprah and Mrs. Terminator are campaigning for him here.
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On the Republican side, in this weekend's caucus in Maine, with 68% of the results in Romney has 52%, McCain 21% and Ron Paul 19%.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#ME
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| apodixis
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Tue Feb 05, 2008 1:17 pm |
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Today President George Bush announced he is endorsing ten-term Congressman Ron Paul for the Republican party presidential nominee.
"It will be fun to watch my successor attempt to restore sound currency to the game and get us out of this huge debt without injecting more phony money to keep the game going."
http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s3i29945
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Good place to follow Super Tuesday developments:
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/
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| apodixis
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Wed Feb 06, 2008 12:22 am |
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At Midnight ET of Super Tuesday per Fox News:
Obama wins Il, GA, DE AL, KS, UT, ND, CT, MN, CO and ID
Clinton wins OK TN AR, NY, MA, NJ and AZ
McCain wins NJ, IL, CT, DE, NY, OK, AZ and MO
Romney wins MASS, UT, ND, MT and MN
Huckabee wins AL, WV, ARK, TN and GA
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At ½ past Midnight ET of Super Tuesday per Fox News:
Clinton 414 delegates
Obama 331 dels.
McCain 371 dels.
Romney 160 dels.
Huckabee 146 dels.
Paul 9 dels.
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| tulsad
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Wed Feb 06, 2008 12:47 am |
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Not To Quibble with Fox, but...
‘No idea what the delegate count is’
The two dozen contests Tuesday were delivering 1,681 of the 2,025 delegates needed for the Democratic nomination, but “we don’t have any idea what the delegate count is,” Howard Dean, chairman of the Democratic National Committee, said in an interview with MSNBC’s Chris Matthews. “This is not going to be decided tonight.”
That was because all of the states were dividing their delegates proportionally, so a candidate who finished second could pick up an impressive haul of delegates.
Chuck Todd, NBC News’ political director, said that while Clinton was winning more of the big primary states, Obama was picking up significant delegate totals, notably in New York, where he could come away with nearly 40 percent of the total.
Obama was also doing “extremely well” in the states that were holding caucuses, Todd said, particularly Minnesota, North Dakota, Idaho and Colorado.
As a result, Todd said, Clinton could end up with the most votes at the end of the evening, but the delegate split could be 50-50.
“This thing seems razor thin,” Todd said.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23019673/?GT1=10856
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| apodixis
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Wed Feb 06, 2008 11:04 am |
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Not close. Its Mad Mac vs. the Hildaborg.
The pollsters blew it in California when they predicted an even race. With 95% of the vote in Cal. Clinton leads Obama 52% to 42%. McCain 42% to Romney 34%.
Apparently the pollsters need to learn to speak Spanish, since Latinos broke largely for Big Sister. Delegate count:
Clinton 783
Obama 709
McCain 559
Romney 265
Huckabee 169
Paul 16
Would McCain pick Lieberman as his VP? A bipartisan war ticket.
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| SavannahStar
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Wed Feb 06, 2008 11:05 am |
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