As for McCain, I haven't figured out whether his refusal to recognize Iraq as a mistake is from his adopting the neo-con agenda, or his traumatic experience in Vietnam - putting a part of his life into a losing war, something that he is wrongly concerned might happen in Iraq.
Hard to figure - He opposed the Reagan regime's putting Marines into Lebanon - where 300 of them were killed in the first massive jihadi suicide bombing.
Last edited by apodixis on Sun Aug 31, 2008 2:01 pm; edited 1 time in total
Joined: 06 Aug 2006
Posts: 3196
Location: State of Jefferson, Ecotopia
PhantomPosted:
Sun Aug 31, 2008 2:00 pm
apodixis wrote:
What a lot of people don't understand is that the neo-conservative view that got us in the mess in Iraq is really liberalism.
And the neo-socialism that Obama is trying to sell is actually Marxist/Communist ideology
Joined: 05 Jun 2006
Posts: 3332
Location: My only friend, the end
paxPosted:
Sun Aug 31, 2008 2:00 pm
apodixis wrote:
Compared to the Dem’s Spectacular, the GOP’s pow-wow may be boring as hell.
But maybe the libertarians can liven it up next week :
Apo, will c-span will cover any of libertarian campaign? I'm interested in watching.
Joined: 23 Mar 2006
Posts: 16020
Location: Wish You Were Here
paxPosted:
Sun Aug 31, 2008 2:04 pm
Phantom wrote:
Yeah, I'll have to admit that the Dems real know how to piss the money away on fluff.
But then it wasn't their money to begin with so WTF.
Phantom, thank you for all your posts. They make a stronger case for Obama-Biden than I can articulate.
Joined: 23 Mar 2006
Posts: 16020
Location: Wish You Were Here
apodixisPosted:
Sun Aug 31, 2008 2:08 pm
pax wrote:
LOL.
Apo, will c-span will cover any of libertarian campaign? I'm interested in watching.
They have covered all of the third party conventions in the past and did cover the Libertarian Party convention earlier this year.
The mainstream media will also be covering the libertarian republican alternate convention this week in St. Paul, because 10,000 will be attending it.
Joined: 06 Aug 2006
Posts: 3196
Location: State of Jefferson, Ecotopia
PhantomPosted:
Sun Aug 31, 2008 2:13 pm
pax wrote:
Phantom, thank you for all your posts. They make a stronger case for Obama-Biden than I can articulate.
And pax thank you for your posts and comments cause they show how someone can blindly follow someone even though the facts aren't on their side.
Joined: 05 Jun 2006
Posts: 3332
Location: My only friend, the end
paxPosted:
Sun Aug 31, 2008 2:51 pm
Phantom wrote:
And pax thank you for your posts and comments cause they show how someone can blindly follow someone even though the facts aren't on their side.
Thanks. Hope you enjoy a wonderful labor day weekend.
Joined: 23 Mar 2006
Posts: 16020
Location: Wish You Were Here
dithersPosted:
Sun Aug 31, 2008 2:57 pm
Quote:
pax wrote:
Phantom, thank you for all your posts. They make a stronger case for Obama-Biden than I can articulate.
Phantom wrote:
And pax thank you for your posts and comments cause they show how someone can blindly follow someone even though the facts aren't on their side.
That's why he can't articulate them.
Pretty in Blonde
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Posts: 3468
apodixisPosted:
Sun Aug 31, 2008 3:00 pm
Breaking News
Gustav even more powerful than predicted:
It has now driven Darth Cheney, as well as Bush away from a GOP convention appearence.
"Among the options for altering the convention format, Republican officials said Sunday, were cutting back on the evening and prime-time hours of convention sessions in the hall over the four days, or delaying the start of the convention by a day or two and then compressing the main events over perhaps two or three days, instead of four."
Maybe they should just throw in the towel and announce that due to an act of God they support ObamaMessiah for President by acclamation.
Joined: 06 Aug 2006
Posts: 3196
Location: State of Jefferson, Ecotopia
PhantomPosted:
Sun Aug 31, 2008 6:19 pm
America's Future
Joined: 05 Jun 2006
Posts: 3332
Location: My only friend, the end
paxPosted:
Sun Aug 31, 2008 6:26 pm
apodixis wrote:
They have covered all of the third party conventions in the past and did cover the Libertarian Party convention earlier this year.
The mainstream media will also be covering the libertarian republican alternate convention this week in St. Paul, because 10,000 will be attending it.
Thanks apo. C-span is great for policy and insomnia, imo.
Joined: 23 Mar 2006
Posts: 16020
Location: Wish You Were Here
Need2KnowPosted:
Sun Aug 31, 2008 8:13 pm
Katie wrote:
It is a womans right to choose, you may not agree with it and you do not have to, but unless you are willing to open up your check book and help the 1000's of women trying to support a family on one income than you do not have any say. Some women have no other choice that's the sad part. I have myself had to make a decision on whether to have an abortion or not, I had four kids one who was still nursing and my sister died who left behind three children , one with a very serious health problems and another who had mental problems who could become very aggressive and violent at times.
What was i supposed to do send my sisters kids away to foster care, ruin their lives I was the only one person they had that they loved and trusted.
I discovered I was pregnant the day my sister died, I had to make a choice to be there for the children I had now and my sisters or have the baby inside of me. My children came first and although I know it would kill my soul I made the decision, luckily the decision was taken out my hands when my sisters ex showed up and took the children because he thought she had a huge insurance policy. i have never seen those kids again. I just pray to god that they are ok and know that I love them.
My baby girl is a blessing and I couldn't imagine live without her but I do know I would never judge anyone else or tell them they are killers all the while I sit and do nothing to help.
I have friends who have had abortions and they cry all the time for their unborn baby but they had no choice, you do not know every case and circumstance that a women or family finds themselves in. There is very little support for people out there. Sure adoption is an option but not in every case. There is 10,000s unwanted children in foster care now and no one is helping them.
Instead of telling people abortion is wrong try to help give woman more choices.
I understand completely the many issues and don't get me wrong, I am not innocent and do have proverbial "blood" on my hands as it relates to this when I was younger and stupid. I have since come full circle and understand the very real horror of this decision and I am sorry that I did not do more to avoid it, even if it was not my decision at the time. It is never an easy choice and is one of those issues out there that will always divide those who see it in different ways and from differing perspectives. In the end, my firm belief is that God creates life and we should not be the ones making decisions to destroy those lives, even if they don't fit in to what is going on in our lives at the moment or into our circumstances. That is not harsh, it is simply a belief that many share, unpopular as it may seem. I agree it should not just be a topic where one says "I don't agree with it" and then just leave it at that, there should be viable options for every person and circumstance. I would hope and pray that any girl or woman would not make that decision from only a purely selfish viewpoint and would seek other options.
N2K
Joined: 06 Jul 2006
Posts: 8812
Need2KnowPosted:
Sun Aug 31, 2008 8:14 pm
dithers wrote:
Quote:
dithers wrote:
...For all those who have been ridiculed as religious fanatics and zealots over all these years - well, at least I will give them this. They have always known and never waivered from what they believe is the answer to that question.
Clarification - I hope you didn't misinterpret my statement. I wasn't calling these people fanatical - I was just stating that they've always been labeled such.
No, I did not, I was simply making my own statement not really directed at any particular person.
N2K
Joined: 06 Jul 2006
Posts: 8812
apodixisPosted:
Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:05 am
Obama Bounces; McCain bombs
Dem. convention spectacular kicks Obama to 6 point lead.
"On the critical question, "With Palin As Vice-Presidential Nominee, Are You More Or Less Likely To Vote For McCain," there's a striking result..... "
".....among the critical undecideds, the Palin pick made only 6 percent more likely to vote for McCain; and it made 31 percent less likely to vote for him. "
Looks like the GOP has a real sales job ahead of it. Cutting back on their convention sure isn't going to do the job.
Joined: 06 Aug 2006
Posts: 3196
Location: State of Jefferson, Ecotopia
PhantomPosted:
Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:08 am
apodixis wrote:
Obama Bounces; McCain bombs
Dem. convention spectacular kicks Obama to 6 point lead.
Oh really?
CNN Poll: Obama 49, McCain 48
ST. PAUL, Minnesota (CNN) — On the eve of the Republican convention, a new national poll suggests the race for the White House remains dead even.
A CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll released Sunday night shows the Obama-Biden ticket leading the McCain-Palin ticket by one point, 49 percent to 48 percent, a statistical dead heat.
The survey was conducted Friday through Sunday, after both the conclusion of the Democratic convention and McCain’s selection of Alaska Governor Sarah Palin as his running mate.
A previous CNN poll, taken just one week earlier, suggested the race between Sens. McCain, R-Arizona, and Obama, D-Illinois, was tied at 47 percent each.
“The convention — and particularly Obama's speech — seems to be well-received. And the selection of Sarah Palin as the GOP running mate, also seems to be well-received. So why is the race still a virtual tie? Probably because the two events created equal and opposite bounces — assuming that either one created a bounce at all,” says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland.
Joined: 05 Jun 2006
Posts: 3332
Location: My only friend, the end
apodixisPosted:
Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:24 am
“How a Curtailed Convention Helps McCain”
Excerpts:
“…….What's actually happening is that McCain, by shutting down the convention and working to help the battered Gulf Coast, is getting the chance to drive the two major messages of his campaign: that 1) he's willing to sacrifice his own personal interests and "Put Country First" (as the convention's new slogan conveniently suggests) and 2) he's no Dubya..... But in terms of political perceptions, shifting the spotlight from himself to the Gulf will probably do McCain more good--especially with moderates--than another week of partisan Obama-bashing.”
“Given the other positive byproducts of a suspended convention--no shots of Bush with McCain; no news from Dick Cheney; lots of stories about Republicans engaged in charitable outreach instead of internal squabbles--it's hard not to suspect that Fowler was wrong. For this week at least, God may be batting for the GOP.”
Joined: 06 Aug 2006
Posts: 3196
Location: State of Jefferson, Ecotopia
dithersPosted:
Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:37 am
Zogby: McCain/Palin 47%
Obama/Biden 45%
Pretty in Blonde
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Posts: 3468
gwenPosted:
Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:38 am
To Rebut Rumors, Palin Says Daughter, 17, Pregnant
17-year-old Daughter of GOP Vice Presidential Candidate is Pregnant
By Steve Holland
September 1, 2008
ST. PAUL (Reuters) - The 17-year-old daughter of Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin is pregnant, Palin said on Monday in an announcement intended to knock down rumors by liberal bloggers that Palin faked her own pregnancy to cover up for her child.
Bristol Palin, one of Alaska Gov. Palin's five children with her husband, Todd, is about five months pregnant and is going to keep the child and marry the father, the Palins said in a statement released by the campaign of Republican presidential candidate John McCain.
Bristol Palin made the decision on her own to keep the baby, McCain aides said.
"We have been blessed with five wonderful children who we love with all our heart and mean everything to us," the Palins' statement said.
"Our beautiful daughter Bristol came to us with news that as parents we knew would make her grow up faster than we had ever planned. As Bristol faces the responsibilities of adulthood, she knows she has our unconditional love and support," the Palins said.
The Palins asked the news media to respect the young couple's privacy.
"Bristol and the young man she will marry are going to realize very quickly the difficulties of raising a child, which is why they will have the love and support of our entire family. We ask the media, respect our daughter and Levi's privacy as has always been the tradition of children of candidates," the statement concluded.
MCCAIN KNEW
Senior McCain campaign officials said McCain knew of the daughter's pregnancy when he selected Palin last week as his vice presidential running mate, deciding that it did not disqualify the 44-year-old governor in any way.
In the short period since she was announced last Friday, Palin has helped to energize the Republican Party's conservative base, giving the McCain camp fresh energy going into the campaign for the November 4 election against Democrat Barack Obama.
McCain officials said the news of the daughter's pregnancy was being released to rebut what one aide called "mud-slinging and lies" circulating on liberal blog sites.
According to these rumors, Sarah Palin had faked a pregnancy and pretended to have given birth in May to her fifth child, a son named Trig who has Down syndrome. The rumor was that Trig was actually Bristol Palin's child and that Sarah Palin was the grandmother.
A senior McCain campaign official said the McCain camp was appalled that these rumors had not only been spread around liberal blog sites and partisan Democrats, but also were the subject of heightened interest from mainstream news media.
"The despicable rumors that have been spread by liberal blogs, some even with Barack Obama's name in them, is a real anchor around the Democratic ticket, pulling them down in the mud in a way that certainly juxtaposes themselves against their 'campaign of change,"' a senior aide said.
But the social conservative morality preaching is that you are not supposed to have sex outside of marriage.
When are conservatives going to learn that simple minded slogans - "victory", "just say no", etc. are not realistic ?
Maybe University Lecturer Obama needs to 'splain to them what "nuanced" means.
Joined: 06 Aug 2006
Posts: 3196
Location: State of Jefferson, Ecotopia
woebedamnedPosted:
Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:53 am
delete -- too negative
Last edited by woebedamned on Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:50 pm; edited 1 time in total
Damn it All!!!!
Joined: 15 Aug 2006
Posts: 6287
Location: pathetic joke of an American, bitter, gun clinging, God loving, racist cracker
PhantomPosted:
Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:56 am
woebedamned wrote:
I dont for one minute think everyone will abstain from sex outside of marriage. I do expect people to use enough common sense to practice birth control, or step up to the plate and accept their responsibilites.
Bravo Woe, Bravo
Joined: 05 Jun 2006
Posts: 3332
Location: My only friend, the end
dithersPosted:
Mon Sep 01, 2008 11:57 am
apodixis wrote:
The social conservative morality preaching is that you are not supposed to have sex outside of marriage.
When are conservatives going to learn that simple minded slogans - "victory", "just say no", etc. are not realistic ?
Maybe University Lecturer Obama needs to 'splain to them what "nuanced" means.
Umm, I haven't researched this but it would be my guess that the "V for Victory" slogan came to be during the Democratic administration of FDR.
If we want to talk about simple minded slogans that contradict behavior perhaps we could also throw in the peace sign that so many of those anarchists use when they are causing civil strife.
On a side note - I find it quite distasteful that people are seemingly taking such delight in a young woman's personal difficulties.
You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum
:
