Umm, I haven't researched this but it would be my guess that the "V for Victory" slogan came to be during the Democratic administration of FDR.
If we want to talk about simple minded slogans that contradict behavior perhaps we could also throw in the peace sign that so many of those anarchists use when they are causing civil strife.
On a side note - I find it quite distasteful that people are seemingly taking such delight in a young woman's personal difficulties.
I agree that is is very distasteful, but unfortunately it seems to be par for the course.
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apodixisPosted:
Mon Sep 01, 2008 12:08 pm
dithers wrote:
On a side note - I find it quite distasteful that people are seemingly taking such delight in a young woman's personal difficulties.
Sure would be nice if everyone in the country could stick to discussing the political issues, instead of all of the personal attacks that have been going on in the campaign.
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PhantomPosted:
Mon Sep 01, 2008 12:11 pm
This is a direct quote from Obama,
"The GOP -- should I be the nominee -- I think can say whatever they want to say about me, my track record," Obama told Robin Roberts "If they think that they're going to try to make Michelle an issue in this campaign, they should be careful. Because that I find unacceptable. The notion that you start attacking my wife? Or my family?"
Obama: Lay Off My Wife!
So why in the world is the MSM, in this case the NY Post, soon to be everyone else, going after the family of the Republican VP Nominee? It's simple. She's a Republican.
Our opinion here is Obama should step up to the plate and put his money where his mouth is. He should immediately issue a statement that advises Bristols pregnancy is purely a "family matter" that doesn't deserve outside attention.
The salivating on the left has already begun slamming VP Palin for her family values family. Our opinion is this simply reinforces her standing as a pro-life advocate in the strongest terms. If ever there were an opportunity for an abortion, this is it. That Bristol has chosen life over death for her infant, and will marry the father, is in stark contrast to Obama and his willingness to go so far as to support death for an infant that has survived an abortion.
Senator Obama, you demand privacy for YOUR wife and children, let's see you demand it for everyone else.
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woebedamnedPosted:
Mon Sep 01, 2008 12:13 pm
delete -- too negative
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gwenPosted:
Mon Sep 01, 2008 12:23 pm
Phantom wrote:
This is a direct quote from Obama,
"The GOP -- should I be the nominee -- I think can say whatever they want to say about me, my track record," Obama told Robin Roberts "If they think that they're going to try to make Michelle an issue in this campaign, they should be careful. Because that I find unacceptable. The notion that you start attacking my wife? Or my family?"
So why in the world is the MSM, in this case the NY Post, soon to be everyone else, going after the family of the Republican VP Nominee? It's simple. She's a Republican.
Our opinion here is Obama should step up to the plate and put his money where his mouth is. He should immediately issue a statement that advises Bristols pregnancy is purely a "family matter" that doesn't deserve outside attention.
The salivating on the left has already begun slamming VP Palin for her family values family. Our opinion is this simply reinforces her standing as a pro-life advocate in the strongest terms. If ever there were an opportunity for an abortion, this is it. That Bristol has chosen life over death for her infant, and will marry the father, is in stark contrast to Obama and his willingness to go so far as to support death for an infant that has survived an abortion.
Senator Obama, you demand privacy for YOUR wife and children, let's see you demand it for everyone else.
When I heard Obama make that statement about Michelle, it sounded almost like he was issuing a threat and really turned me off. Who does he think he is that his wife should be above the rest?
I agree he should make a statement and will be interesting to see if he does.
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gwenPosted:
Mon Sep 01, 2008 12:24 pm
woebedamned wrote:
I think this could be one of the deciding factors for many voters. I know I myself know where each candidate stands on political issues, so I now sit back and watch how they handle their campaign. The personal attacks have no place, IMO, and will most likely enter into my final decision.
I'm in the same position you are, woe.
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dithersPosted:
Mon Sep 01, 2008 12:43 pm
I believe the lefty blogosphere might have experienced a "Wellstone Moment" here. The story is now on the Drudge Report detailing how the DailyKos has been rabidly advancing their Twig theory.
It might have seemingly been put to rest with Palin's announcement that her daughter is pregnant - but just hold onto your seats for tomorrow when Limbaugh and Hannity get their teeth into this story. I'm predicting the shit will hit the proverbial fan. Double so with Hannity who is an extremely devoted family man who also happens to have to suffer that fool, Alan Colmes.
This type of personal tragedy knows no political affiliation or loyalties. Shame, shame on those who advanced it in an attempt to make Palin look bad. It had the opposite effect and I think much of the American public is going to agree before this is over.
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paxPosted:
Mon Sep 01, 2008 1:18 pm
dithers wrote:
I believe the lefty blogosphere might have experienced a "Wellstone Moment" here. The story is now on the Drudge Report detailing how the DailyKos has been rabidly advancing their Twig theory.
It might have seemingly been put to rest with Palin's announcement that her daughter is pregnant - but just hold onto your seats for tomorrow when Limbaugh and Hannity get their teeth into this story. I'm predicting the shit will hit the proverbial fan. Double so with Hannity who is an extremely devoted family man who also happens to have to suffer that fool, Alan Colmes.
This type of personal tragedy knows no political affiliation or loyalties. Shame, shame on those who advanced it in an attempt to make Palin look bad. It had the opposite effect and I think much of the American public is going to agree before this is over.
I agree.
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MalloryPosted:
Mon Sep 01, 2008 1:49 pm
I thought that candidates' children were always off limits. Seems that only applied to Chelsea and Amy Carter. I feel very badly for this young girl who is having her privacy invaded in such a cruel and pointless manner. I think this is going to have the opposite effect than those leading this hope for.
First Sarah Palin wasn't the real mother of her fifth child and now this. Well, I remember at the time some criticized her for breast feeding that baby and now it isn't even really hers? Are these people nuts or what?
Is this some sort of pay back for John Edwards' mistress and possible child out of wedlock? Or just the usual politics of personal destruction?
Attempted character assassination. Unwarranted. Will fail.
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gwenPosted:
Mon Sep 01, 2008 2:38 pm
OBAMA: CHILDREN ARE OFF LIMITS
From NBC's Savannah Guthrie
In his media avail, Obama just responded to reporters' questions about the Bristol Palin story. Noting that his mother had him when she was 18 years old, Obama said families are "off limits" in campaigns. He was very impassioned.
"I've heard some of the news. I've said before I think families are off limits, children limits. It has no relevance," Obama said. "I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories. My mom had me when she was 18. And how families deal with issues of children shouldn't be part of our politics.
Regarding to the accusation from the McCain camp that rumors of Bristol Palin were being spread by liberal bloggers, some with connections to the Obama campaign, the Illinois senator replied: "I am offended by that statement. There is no evidence at all that any of this involved us. I hope I'm as clear as we can be. We don't go after people's families. Our people were not involved in any way. And if I thought anyone in my campaign they'd be fired."
You will notice that the Politicians bring their children out on stage at the conventions.
Chelsea and others speak and campaign.
Photo ops like the one I posted from the newspaper just above are done by the politician/parents.
There has been a continual attack in this campaign over character matters about the candidates.
Where do you draw the line ?
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PhantomPosted:
Mon Sep 01, 2008 2:51 pm
gwen wrote:
Regarding to the accusation from the McCain camp that rumors of Bristol Palin were being spread by liberal bloggers, some with connections to the Obama campaign, the Illinois senator replied: "I am offended by that statement. There is no evidence at all that any of this involved us. I hope I'm as clear as we can be. We don't go after people's families. Our people were not involved in any way. And if I thought anyone in my campaign they'd be fired."
Oh really? No evidence of the Obama campaign being involved?
Obama Campaign Behind Anti-Palin Smear Site?
Suddenly appearing among the Google search results for “sarah palin gay,” a web site titled: Sarah Palin Supports Gay Rights.
Sarah Palin (GOV-Alaska-Republican), supports gay rights, says Anchorage Daily News.
Quote "Gov. Sarah Palin vetoed a bill Thursday that sought to block the state from giving public employee benefits such as health insurance to same-sex couples." Quote ""It is the Governor’s intention to work with the legislature and to give the people of Alaska an opportunity to express their wishes and intentions whether these benefits should continue," the statement from Palin’s administration said."
Coghill said he’s interested in a new plan that would allow state employees to designate one person — maybe a same-sex partner, but also possibly a family member or roommate — who would be eligible for state-paid benefits. But the employee would have to pay to add that person to his or her benefits."
Sarah Palin’s veto gave gays the same rights as married couples in Alaska.
A vote for McCain/Palin is a vote for gay marriage.
Interesting. There’s nothing else on the page. This sure looks like the work of the dastardly right-wing anti-gay attack machine, doesn’t it?
But look who’s really behind this.
In the Linux console, if you enter the following commands, you can learn the secrets of a political dirty trick. First, look up the host of ‘sarahpalingayrights.com’ to get the site’s IP address.
host sarahpalingayrights.com sarahpalingayrights.com has address 74.208.74.232
Then use the same command to look up the domain name pointer of that IP address.
host 74.208.74.232 232.74.208.74.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer obamadefense.com
Well, well. “Obamadefense.com,” eh?
And what happens if you enter obamadefense.com on your browser’s address line?
Why, you’re redirected to none other than FightTheSmears.com, the official Barack Obama site that’s supposed to be defending him against smears.
Looks like they may have a second purpose: to generate a few smears of their own.
UPDATE at 8/30/08 11:14:12 am:
Here's another site that traces back to obamadefense.com: ObamaTaxCut.com.
UPDATE at 8/30/08 11:24:46 am:
Two more web sites that share the IP address of obamadefense.com:
John McCain opposes the new GI Bill, but why? John McCain Prefers War
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gwenPosted:
Mon Sep 01, 2008 3:02 pm
Hey...don't attack me! I just posted what I read...
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PhantomPosted:
Mon Sep 01, 2008 3:08 pm
gwen wrote:
Hey...don't attack me! I just posted what I read...
Absolutely not attacking you Gwen. Just trying to show that what Obama claims about not being involved in the smears isn't the truth
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PhantomPosted:
Mon Sep 01, 2008 3:08 pm
Paglia on Palin: “We May Be Seeing The First Woman President”
It wasn’t an intentional double entendre in the title of the post (Paglia being a proud, self-proclaimed lesbian and all), but I had to tie in that Palin was the subject of the comment . . ..
I have the deepest admiration — the most profound respect and love — for Camille Paglia. I think Camille Paglia is absolutely brilliant in what she does.
So when this little quote from Paglia on the Palin pick popped up, I thought it was worth mentioning.
We may be seeing the first woman president. As a Democrat, I am reeling,” said Camille Paglia, the cultural critic. “That was the best political speech I have ever seen delivered by an American woman politician. Palin is as tough as nails. Good Lord, we had barely 12 hours of Democrat optimism. It was a stunningly timed piece of PR by the Republicans.
As for the best political speech by an American woman, I wholeheartedly agree. She was utterly brilliant. Here is the video if you missed it.
The Democrats are all reeling and there may not be enough time for them to recover. The netroots are going bananas cranking out rumors, but the power of Palin’s speech, directly to the American people, will have voters believing their eyes and ears, not internet rumors. She is unquestionably the real deal, exuding confidence and patriotism every bit as much as Ronald Reagan before her.
The left went crazy in the 1980’s and hated Reagan with spittle flecked venom. He was still the greatest president after Washington and Lincoln.
Paglia is right, we are probably looking at the first female president of the United States. Conservatives could not be happier.
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gwenPosted:
Mon Sep 01, 2008 3:09 pm
Phantom wrote:
Absolutely not attacking you Gwen. Just trying to show that what Obama claims about not being involved in the smears wasn't the truth
Thanks...I misunderstood.
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KatiePosted:
Mon Sep 01, 2008 3:15 pm
Phantom wrote:
gwen wrote:
Regarding to the accusation from the McCain camp that rumors of Bristol Palin were being spread by liberal bloggers, some with connections to the Obama campaign, the Illinois senator replied: "I am offended by that statement. There is no evidence at all that any of this involved us. I hope I'm as clear as we can be. We don't go after people's families. Our people were not involved in any way. And if I thought anyone in my campaign they'd be fired."
Oh really? No evidence of the Obama campaign being involved?
Obama Campaign Behind Anti-Palin Smear Site?
Suddenly appearing among the Google search results for “sarah palin gay,” a web site titled: Sarah Palin Supports Gay Rights.
Sarah Palin (GOV-Alaska-Republican), supports gay rights, says Anchorage Daily News.
Quote "Gov. Sarah Palin vetoed a bill Thursday that sought to block the state from giving public employee benefits such as health insurance to same-sex couples." Quote ""It is the Governor’s intention to work with the legislature and to give the people of Alaska an opportunity to express their wishes and intentions whether these benefits should continue," the statement from Palin’s administration said."
Coghill said he’s interested in a new plan that would allow state employees to designate one person — maybe a same-sex partner, but also possibly a family member or roommate — who would be eligible for state-paid benefits. But the employee would have to pay to add that person to his or her benefits."
Sarah Palin’s veto gave gays the same rights as married couples in Alaska.
A vote for McCain/Palin is a vote for gay marriage.
Interesting. There’s nothing else on the page. This sure looks like the work of the dastardly right-wing anti-gay attack machine, doesn’t it?
But look who’s really behind this.
In the Linux console, if you enter the following commands, you can learn the secrets of a political dirty trick. First, look up the host of ‘sarahpalingayrights.com’ to get the site’s IP address.
host sarahpalingayrights.com sarahpalingayrights.com has address 74.208.74.232
Then use the same command to look up the domain name pointer of that IP address.
host 74.208.74.232 232.74.208.74.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer obamadefense.com
Well, well. “Obamadefense.com,” eh?
And what happens if you enter obamadefense.com on your browser’s address line?
Why, you’re redirected to none other than FightTheSmears.com, the official Barack Obama site that’s supposed to be defending him against smears.
Looks like they may have a second purpose: to generate a few smears of their own.
UPDATE at 8/30/08 11:14:12 am:
Here's another site that traces back to obamadefense.com: ObamaTaxCut.com.
UPDATE at 8/30/08 11:24:46 am:
Two more web sites that share the IP address of obamadefense.com:
John McCain opposes the new GI Bill, but why? John McCain Prefers War
Update: It appears the websites were created by a hardcore Obamatron but cannot be linked directly to the Obama Campaign at this time.
Lest you doubt whether he’s really a diehard Democrat or merely, a la those pro-Obama “lifelong Republicans” the media always seems to find, a conservative who’s donated to the left on occasion, here’s his page at Open Secrets. True blue.
Coale may be the first Hillaryite I’ve heard of who’s supporting Maverick mainly because he’s a maverick and not because of some exaggerated sense of grievance over Hillary’s treatment — although the line about the party being taken over by MoveOn.org is tantalizing in its implications. Exit quotation: “I think she’s great.”
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MalloryPosted:
Mon Sep 01, 2008 5:36 pm
Phantom wrote:
Top Hillary supporter defects to McCain
Lest you doubt whether he’s really a diehard Democrat or merely, a la those pro-Obama “lifelong Republicans” the media always seems to find, a conservative who’s donated to the left on occasion, here’s his page at Open Secrets. True blue.
Coale may be the first Hillaryite I’ve heard of who’s supporting Maverick mainly because he’s a maverick and not because of some exaggerated sense of grievance over Hillary’s treatment — although the line about the party being taken over by MoveOn.org is tantalizing in its implications. Exit quotation: “I think she’s great.”
I think this Coale is the husband of Greta van Susteren.
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apodixisPosted:
Mon Sep 01, 2008 7:45 pm
Hide Bush and Get Darth Cheney out of the country during the convention !!!!
Phantom, where did you get the information that he was a "Top Hillary Supporter defects to McCain" ? There is nothing in what you posted about his McCain advocacy.
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PhantomPosted:
Mon Sep 01, 2008 7:55 pm
apodixis wrote:
Phantom, where did you get the information that he was a "Top Hillary Supporter defects to McCain" ? There is nothing in what you posted about his McCain advocacy.
Newsweek Exclusive: Top Clinton Supporter John Coale Endorses McCain
John Coale, a prominent Washington lawyer, husband of Fox TV host Greta Van Susteren and a supporter of Sen. Hillary Clinton, announced today that he was supporting John McCain for president. Coale, who traveled with Sen. Clinton, President Clinton and her family through out the primary season, complained of sexism, and said the Democratic Party is "being taken over by the moveon.org types" in an exclusive interview with Newsweek.com's Tammy Haddad. He said he tried to prevent Clinton's brother, Tony Rodham, from attending an August 18th meeting in Scranton, Pa. with McCain campaign surrogate Carly Fiorina. "I urged him not to go and told him it would embarrass his sister, but he has a mind of his own." Coale says Mr. Rodham asked Ms. Fiorina "about McCain's Supreme Court picks."
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apodixisPosted:
Tue Sep 02, 2008 9:45 am
McCain opposed teen pregnancy prevention programs
Palin also apparently opposed sex education courses in Alaska.
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BerPosted:
Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:01 am
pax wrote:
I'm laughing too. If republicans keep mischaracterizing Obama's votes and ridicule people who are pro-choice, they'll lose in November, imo.
Not all republicans are anti-abortion. I am a republican, catholic and I am pro choice. In fact it drives me insane to see anti abortion rallies and bumperstickers on cars.
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Need2KnowPosted:
Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:03 am
apodixis wrote:
McCain opposed teen pregnancy prevention programs
Palin also apparently opposed sex education courses in Alaska.
Do you have true, factual data/statistics about the sex eduation/teen pregnancy programs having a real and significant result in reducing teen pregnancy and teen abortion in the last 20 years? I do not know if the data will show positive down trends and I myself am not opposed to them but before putting something out there to attempt to label it is as negative against these two, why not find real numbers to back the statements up? What is the goal of the programs if not to reduce the behavior? I personally do not think it is working but the numbers could prove me wrong. I believe teen sex/pregnancy/abortion is probably higher now then ever before.
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