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victims cry
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Fri May 30, 2008 11:02 pm |
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the flds may not be used to faxes, but the idea that they cannot contact the parents involved in this agreement whereever they are (near their kids) in a day or two is LUDICROUS.
A local pharmacy will have a fax machine if necessary, and if they are visiting their kids the group home parent can hand them the forms.
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| woebedamned
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Fri May 30, 2008 11:07 pm |
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| victims cry wrote: | the flds may not be used to faxes, but the idea that they cannot contact the parents involved in this agreement whereever they are (near their kids) in a day or two is LUDICROUS.
A local pharmacy will have a fax machine if necessary, and if they are visiting their kids the group home parent can hand them the forms. |
I dont think anyone said they couldnt be contacted in a day or two. The Judge wanted the papers signed today so the children could start being released monday. That was not possible. It wont be a matter of just signing a paper and then getting the kids. there will be much other stuff that will have to happen. The parents arent going to be allowed to just walk into a shelter and pick up their kids.
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| tulsad
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Fri May 30, 2008 11:13 pm |
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| woebedamned wrote: | | tulsad wrote: |
The SC has agreed that the cases should be looked at on an individual basis. The few restrictions that the judge added would allow CPS to evaluate each family - they can't evaluate someone who has left the area with no forwarding address. Do you think there should be no conditions whatsoever put in place that will ensure that the children will be available? |
nope |
Do you believe that CPS should ever be able to investigate cases of suspected child abuse? Or should all parents have the right to flee the jurisdiction, taking their children with them, if they are about to be investigated?
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| Myra Manes
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Fri May 30, 2008 11:20 pm |
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| woebedamned wrote: |
Matters not. the only thing that matters is who had sex with underage girls. I dont care if they all think polygamy is fine, I dont care if they all think 13 is old enough to breed. What matters is, who actually carried out the act of having sex with underage girls. |
 holy shit.........I don't believe you just posted that!
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| woebedamned
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Fri May 30, 2008 11:22 pm |
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| tulsad wrote: |
Do you believe that CPS should ever be able to investigate cases of suspected child abuse? Or should all parents have the right to flee the jurisdiction, taking their children with them, if they are about to be investigated? |
yes
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| apodixis
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Fri May 30, 2008 11:25 pm |
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| woebedamned wrote: | Snag in deal to return Texas sect kids to parents
May 30, 2008 - 22:24
Walther had wanted to add restrictions to the agreement worked out by the parents' attorneys and Texas Child Protective Services, but the parents' attorneys argued that she didn't have the authority.
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Walther wanted to remove the August deadline and provide for psychological evaluations of the children. She also wanted it specified that parents can't travel more than 60 miles from their residence without 48 hours' notice. She also wanted CPS to have access to the ranch and the children at all times necessary for any investigation....
Walther ruled last month that the children should be placed in foster care after a chaotic custody hearing involving hundreds of lawyers representing the individual children and parents. |
Sounds like it's time to recuse this judge, and appoint someone else to deal with the situation.
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| Myra Manes
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Fri May 30, 2008 11:25 pm |
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| gwen wrote: | Sect Case Judge Won't Sign Reunion Order
Court Refuses To Sign Agreement To Reunite Polygamist Sect Parents With Children
SAN ANGELO, Tex., May 30, 2008
(CBS/ AP) In a surprise move, the Texas Supreme Court judge in the polygamist sect child custody case refused to sign the order releasing the children until after all the lawyers and their clients could agree on it, reports CBS News correspondent Hari Sreenivasan.
Anxious members of the El Dorado polygamist sect came to court Friday with hopes of being reunited with their children, who were taken from the Yearning for Zion Ranch by the state's Child Protective Services nearly two months ago. The agreement would have returned more than 400 children to their parents by the end of next week.
But the court set preconditions for the children's release, including:
Parents must be photographed when they pick up their child.
Parents must agree to unannounced home visits as Child Protective Services continues to investigate sexual abuse.
Children cannot leave the state of Texas or even travel 60 miles without permission.
And not all the children would be allowed to go home, as lawyers expect Child Protective Services to keep custody of a handful of girls that they believe were younger than the legal age of 16 when they married or became pregnant.
"It appears to be a fair compromise to me," said Court Coordinator Guy Choate. "I mean, the children are going back … that's what everyone said they wanted. Everyone said they wanted the child not to be injured, not to be harmed, not to be subject to child sexual abuse. If you take everyone at their word this order will ensure that occurs."
Several lawyers pleaded with the court to reunite the kids this weekend, but the court said it was better to take the time, and get everything done right - putting the reunions on hold.
The key investigation now appears focused on Warren Jeffs, the imprisoned leader of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. An affidavit filed in Arizona charges that Jeffs married two 12-year-old girls and two 14-year-old girls before his arrest two years ago.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/05/30/national/main4142029.shtml |
Best news of the day!! 
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| woebedamned
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Fri May 30, 2008 11:27 pm |
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| apodixis wrote: |
Sounds like it's time to recuse this judge, and appoint someone else to deal with the situation. |
Lawyers for the families are going back to the appeals court Monday morning. The fact that this Judge would not allow the lawyers to sign for their clients indicates much, IMO.
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| Tonk
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Sat May 31, 2008 3:10 am |
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| apodixis wrote: |
Sounds like it's time to recuse this judge, and appoint someone else to deal with the situation. |
Recuse her on what grounds? Because she wont allow parents lawyers bully her into signing an order that falls short of protecting the children? The legal aid lawyer screwed up and blew it for a whole bunch of familie. The judge had an order in hand ready to sign but there was one lawyer couldnt shut up and was totally misstating what the court of appeals and supreme court said. She could have signed the order that she had fashioned but the lawyer was basicaly saying she would try to get another mandamus unless the judge held a full hearing before signing and order ... she was trying to strongarm the judge insto signing the order she wanted and the judge just xalled her on her BS. It was pretty funny and it was absolutely warranted under the circumstanc
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| Mariah
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Sat May 31, 2008 1:45 pm |
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| Myra Manes wrote: |
Best news of the day!! |
I agree. This case has shown pedifiles to set up componds in this country and call it a religion. Then add to that there are people right here will think it is fine. All because of their own fear of the power of CPS.
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| Myra Manes
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Sat May 31, 2008 1:52 pm |
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| Mariah wrote: |
I agree. This case has shown pedifiles to set up componds in this country and call it a religion. Then add to that there are people right here will think it is fine. All because of their own fear of the power of CPS. |
So true.......  I can't for the life of me even begin to understand their reasoning...... *sigh*
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| Mariah
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Sat May 31, 2008 2:05 pm |
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| Myra Manes wrote: |
So true....... I can't for the life of me even begin to understand their reasoning...... *sigh* |
It's a pedifiles dream. A never ending supply of abuse victims. All they have to do is call it a religion.
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| tulsad
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Sat May 31, 2008 2:52 pm |
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| Mariah wrote: |
It's a pedifiles dream. A never ending supply of abuse victims. All they have to do is call it a religion. |
NAMBLA?
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| tulsad
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Sat May 31, 2008 2:57 pm |
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North American Man/Boy Love Association
"The North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) is a New York City and San Francisco-based unincorporated organization in the United States that advocates the legalization of sexual relations between adult males and under-aged boys. It has resolved to "end the oppression of men and boys who have freely chosen mutually consenting relationships" in spite of the fact that such relationships constitute child sexual abuse under U.S. law, as the minor is unable to give legal consent. NAMBLA also calls for "the adoption of laws that both protect children from unwanted sexual experiences and at the same time leave them free to determine the content of their own sexual experiences."[2] NAMBLA's webpage claims that: "NAMBLA does not provide encouragement, referrals or assistance for people seeking sexual contacts" and that it does not "engage in any activities that violate the law [or] advocate that anyone else should [violate the law]."[3]
NAMBLA holds an annual gathering in New York City and monthly meetings around the country.[4] In the early 1980s, NAMBLA was reported to have had over 300 members, and was supported by such noted figures as Allen Ginsberg.[5] Since then, the organization has kept membership data private, but an undercover FBI investigation in 1995 discovered that there were 1,100 people on the rolls.[4] It is the largest organization in the umbrella group Ipce[6] (formerly "International Pedophile and Child Emancipation").[6]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAMBLA
How much work would it take to set up a new chapter of the FLDS with tenets that reflect the NAMBLA beliefs?
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| SavannahStar
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Sat May 31, 2008 3:00 pm |
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| apodixis
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Sat May 31, 2008 3:34 pm |
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| SavannahStar wrote: | |
Yah think someone might get suspicious when there aren't any Polygamous women around ?
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| Black-Tulip
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Sat May 31, 2008 3:43 pm |
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| apodixis wrote: |
Yah think someone might get suspicious when there aren't any Polygamous women around ?
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And at least no teenage pregnancies.
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| tulsad
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Sat May 31, 2008 4:05 pm |
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| apodixis wrote: |
Yah think someone might get suspicious when there aren't any Polygamous women around ?
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You misread my post, Apy.
"How much work would it take to set up a new chapter of the FLDS with tenets that reflect the NAMBLA beliefs?"
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| tulsad
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Sat May 31, 2008 4:06 pm |
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| Black-Tulip wrote: |
And at least no teenage pregnancies. |
True. The rewriting would have to be major; but who in their right mind would have thought that a sect would believe what the FLDS came up with?
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| tulsad
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Sat May 31, 2008 4:15 pm |
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Hey, NAMBLA is sick; but many of its members are also slick. You don't think that there are some that would take advantage of the fact that most gay fathers are responsible and loving and use it to their advantage?
It would be easy to use the FLDS model. Quietly leave the NAMBLA organization and set up a closed compound of gay fathers and their sons, based on religious beliefs as well as a desire to protect the children from the cruelty that the outside world often imposes on them. There would be no pregnancies to send up red flags; no genetic disorders passed down. I don't think it's impossible - and if anyone questioned them, there would be people screaming that there had to be proof of abuse of each individual child before action could be taken. You watch.
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| apodixis
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Sat May 31, 2008 9:02 pm |
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| Tonk wrote: |
Recuse her on what grounds? ......The judge had an order in hand ready to sign but there was one lawyer couldnt shut up and was totally misstating what the court of appeals and supreme court said. She could have signed the order that she had fashioned but the lawyer was basicaly saying she would try to get another mandamus unless the judge held a full hearing before signing and order ... she was trying to strongarm the judge insto signing the order she wanted and the judge just xalled her on her BS.... |
“But after several revisions and an endless stream of concerns from dozens of lawyers representing the mothers, a frustrated Judge Barbara Walther walked of her courtroom saying that if all the lawyers could get their clients to consent and sign the agreement, she would sign it as well,…..”
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/05/31/national/main4142613.shtml
Why not just sign the agreement to release the children with those who want to ? And then go on with the Mandamus hearing the one lawyer wanted later ?
Why demand that ALL of the clients have to consent to the agreement ?
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| woebedamned
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Sat May 31, 2008 9:07 pm |
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| apodixis wrote: |
“But after several revisions and an endless stream of concerns from dozens of lawyers representing the mothers, a frustrated Judge Barbara Walther walked of her courtroom saying that if all the lawyers could get their clients to consent and sign the agreement, she would sign it as well,…..”
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/05/31/national/main4142613.shtml
Why not just sign the agreement to release the children with those who want to ? And then go on with the Mandamus hearing the one lawyer wanted later ?
Why demand that ALL of the clients have to consent to the agreement ? |
simple. She knew ALL parents could not sign, so by making the condition of having all sign made it impossible to release the children to ANY of the parents.
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| SavannahStar
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Sat May 31, 2008 9:13 pm |
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| Mariah wrote: |
I agree. This case has shown pedifiles to set up componds in this country and call it a religion. Then add to that there are people right here will think it is fine. All because of their own fear of the power of CPS. |
 What an odd post.
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| Topsider
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Sat May 31, 2008 9:20 pm |
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| woebedamned wrote: |
simple. She knew ALL parents could not sign, so by making the condition of having all sign made it impossible to release the children to ANY of the parents. |
LOL
They could have just agreed to the very minor terms. Just goes to show they really don't care about the children as much as they would like everyone to think
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| woebedamned
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Sat May 31, 2008 9:29 pm |
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| Topsider wrote: |
LOL
They could have just agreed to the very minor terms. Just goes to show they really don't care about the children as much as they would like everyone to think |
They werent there to agree, therefore could not possobly sign the papers. Lawyers asked to sign for the parents, which is customary, but for whatever reason, in this case it is not permitted.
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