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yankee-in-france
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Of course its not an honest interview. Its a mother speaking bout her son and polishing his charachter..just like Beth did with Natalee the virgin that everyone got so wound up over. |
-- yes, it is about a mother speaking about her son and polishing his character. The character-polishing of Joran wasn't what touched me. It is the way that Anita speaks, the calmness, the search-into-the-soul to describe her feelings manner of discussion: no malice, no hate, disenchanted with the American media (certainly not surprising), a concerned parent, of course. Her characterization of Joran I thought was very interesting and most likely true. She has a right to put her son's best foot forward.
Beth and Anita are like night and day. I like Anita's demeanor. Beth always seemed to be behaving badly. That does not mean that I am a Beth-basher because I am not. She lost her daughter, and I have considerable sympathy for her. I even understand why she embellished Natalee's character.
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| yankee-in-france
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| sarge wrote: | Thank you, GBMW. As I was reading this I was thinking that Anita was expressing some things that would be in the RG video and wanted to get that point across in case it is never shown.
That is why she brought up people in America, 100 students and the chaperones.
And furthermore the people that are involved in this case should do their own thing.
I don’t have any influence on that. None.’ I'm not sure what she meant there.
I think saying that Joran lied because he was afraid that he would not have a graduation party is not very believable. |
No, I agree, but then Joran might have told her that. What else did you think was not believable, Sarge?
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| toodles
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| yankee-in-france wrote: |
-- yes, it is about a mother speaking about her son and polishing his character. The character-polishing of Joran wasn't what touched me. It is the way that Anita speaks, the calmness, the search-into-the-soul to describe her feelings manner of discussion: no malice, no hate, disenchanted with the American media (certainly not surprising), a concerned parent, of course. Her characterization of Joran I thought was very interesting and most likely true. She has a right to put her son's best foot forward.
Beth and Anita are like night and day. I like Anita's demeanor. Beth always seemed to be behaving badly. That does not mean that I am a Beth-basher because I am not. She lost her daughter, and I have considerable sympathy for her. I even understand why she embellished Natalee's character. |
I'm not exactly a Beth lover myself but I dont see this case as being about Beth as many here do. Many here beat up Natalee thru Beths words. Natalee hasnt spoken. I dont care one way or the other about Anita or Paulus, but to hear her go on and on about how they suffered gets to me. Their son is why they suffered and its why Natalee family still suffers and will till they day they die.
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| GBMW
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Tue Aug 12, 2008 4:26 pm |
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| toodles wrote: | | The interview gets to me because Anita speaks of all the pain this case has caused her and her family. MEMEMEME...what about Natalee and her family? What about what HER son did to this family and THEIR pain??? Anita be happy you still have your son..even worthless as I feel he is hes alive for you to see and touch..Beth doesnt have this because of YOUR son. MY OPINION. |
It would have been nice if she would have mentioned that...the only thing she mentions is that she wants the case solved. Other than that there is no sympathy whatsoever towards Natalee and her family.
What I don't like the fact she's so playing being naive. The ALE has been having tunnel vision for years, her boy is nothing else but an average kid and Natalee's family & former classmates should be suspects. Look at what the American media did to them...and everyone should give Joran some slack. The truth will set that family free IMO....and that truth won't be liked by Anita.....but what are other people to do about that?
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| yankee-in-france
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Tue Aug 12, 2008 4:27 pm |
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| toodles wrote: | | The interview gets to me because Anita speaks of all the pain this case has caused her and her family. MEMEMEME...what about Natalee and her family? What about what HER son did to this family and THEIR pain??? Anita be happy you still have your son..even worthless as I feel he is hes alive for you to see and touch..Beth doesnt have this because of YOUR son. MY OPINION. |
-- and if that is true, that is not Anita's doing.
It is not all about 'memememe'. Her family has been hurt and it has been painful but how many interviews has Anita ever done? 3 or 5 at the most. Let's be fair.
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| WangChung wrote: |
Beth has never once given an honest interview nor has she been able to keep her stories straight from interview to interview. The same cannot be said of Anita and therein lies the difference......whether you feel it's "fair" or not.  |
| Quote: | Dutch student Joran van der Sloot and two Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, were arrested on suspicion of involvement in voluntary manslaughter and causing serious bodily harm that resulted in the death of Holloway, the prosecutor's office said in a statement.
However, van der Sloot's mother insisted her son had not been arrested but was only detained for more questioning.
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/wireStory?id=3899865
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.......and that was all it turned out to be, more questioning - maybe Anita is psychic too?
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| toodles
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Tue Aug 12, 2008 4:30 pm |
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| yankee-in-france wrote: |
-- and if that is true, that is not Anita's doing.
It is not all about 'memememe'. Her family has been hurt and it has been painful but how many interviews has Anita ever done? 3 or 5 at the most. Let's be fair. |
True its not Anitas fault...but she can stop blaming the media and the Holloways and santa claus for her pain..she needs to lay that blame where its at..her son. My opinion.
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| GBMW
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| sarge wrote: | Thank you, GBMW. As I was reading this I was thinking that Anita was expressing some things that would be in the RG video and wanted to get that point across in case it is never shown.
That is why she brought up people in America, 100 students and the chaperones.
And furthermore the people that are involved in this case should do their own thing.
I don’t have any influence on that. None.’ I'm not sure what she meant there.
I think saying that Joran lied because he was afraid that he would not have a graduation party is not very believable. |
YW sarge. Yeah...that RG stuff...figured as much myself as well. I think she means with that last comment that Natalee's family should do what they want...and that she can't control that...but that's just my interpretation.
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| yankee-in-france
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Tue Aug 12, 2008 4:32 pm |
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| toodles wrote: |
I'm not exactly a Beth lover myself but I dont see this case as being about Beth as many here do. Many here beat up Natalee thru Beths words. Natalee hasnt spoken. I dont care one way or the other about Anita or Paulus, but to hear her go on and on about how they suffered gets to me. Their son is why they suffered and its why Natalee family still suffers and will till they day they die. |
-- but she doesn't believe that to be true and maybe it isn't. As I have said, I do not believe that Joran harmed Natalee. I just think that she unfortunately died in his presence and he did the wrong thing. If what I think is true and she died, then Beth and the family were going to suffer by reason of her death even if Joran came clean about what happened at the time.
I am trying to stay on topic here without veering off to derail this thread.
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| GBMW
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Tue Aug 12, 2008 4:35 pm |
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.......and that was all it turned out to be, more questioning - maybe Anita is psychic too? |
She also keeps mentioning he didn't want his girlfriend to know he went out that night. At P&W and now again in this interview.
Everyone that is a bit informed knows he was seeing 2 girls at the time...didn't that come accross already? Or is she lying about that on purpose?
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| yankee-in-france
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Tue Aug 12, 2008 4:36 pm |
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| GBMW wrote: |
YW sarge. Yeah...that RG stuff...figured as much myself as well. I think she means with that last comment that Natalee's family should do what they want...and that she can't control that...but that's just my interpretation. |
-- well that is understandable as well. If Beth wants to file lawsuits, she is free to do that. Someone mentioned that Anita didn't show compassion for Beth or Natalee. Anita did show compassion and concern in those early days about Natalee when it was important. This was an interview about how the case effected her life and her son, etc. The interview was not about the event, who was responsible, but how the whole thing impacted the family which is why it may be seen by some as a "mememe" thing.
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| toodles
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Tue Aug 12, 2008 4:37 pm |
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| yankee-in-france wrote: |
-- but she doesn't believe that to be true and maybe it isn't. As I have said, I do not believe that Joran harmed Natalee. I just think that she unfortunately died in his presence and he did the wrong thing. If what I think is true and she died, then Beth and the family were going to suffer by reason of her death even if Joran came clean about what happened at the time.
I am trying to stay on topic here without veering off to derail this thread. |
YIF if he'd of come clean, led them to her body, called for help..this family would have closure...a funeral..they'd be able to move on. Yes they'd still hurt, yes they'd still not have a live daughter BUT they would know where she was.
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| yankee-in-france
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Tue Aug 12, 2008 4:39 pm |
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True its not Anitas fault...but she can stop blaming the media and the Holloways and santa claus for her pain..she needs to lay that blame where its at..her son. My opinion. |
Toodles, IMO, she was asked to do an interview about how this case impacted her life, her family's life, her son's life. I don't think that she is blaming the media but explaining how its intrusion into their life effected her and her family. She is merely responding to the point of the interview.
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| WangChung
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Tue Aug 12, 2008 4:41 pm |
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| yankee-in-france wrote: |
-- yes, it is about a mother speaking about her son and polishing his character. The character-polishing of Joran wasn't what touched me. It is the way that Anita speaks, the calmness, the search-into-the-soul to describe her feelings manner of discussion: no malice, no hate, disenchanted with the American media (certainly not surprising), a concerned parent, of course. Her characterization of Joran I thought was very interesting and most likely true. She has a right to put her son's best foot forward.
Beth and Anita are like night and day. I like Anita's demeanor. Beth always seemed to be behaving badly. That does not mean that I am a Beth-basher because I am not. She lost her daughter, and I have considerable sympathy for her. I even understand why she embellished Natalee's character. |
The bolded part above is indicative, more times than not, of someone who is telling the truth. Anita appears to have answered every question put forth to her in a frank manner. Not once did she appear to be buying time with a phrase such as "Ya know". Not once did she show disrespect for the interviewer by saying "That's just not relevant." In short, Anita appears quite credible.
I'm not even going to touch the observation that Beth behaves badly in that her behavior speaks... no, shouts for itself. 
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| yankee-in-france
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| toodles wrote: |
YIF if he'd of come clean, led them to her body, called for help..this family would have closure...a funeral..they'd be able to move on. Yes they'd still hurt, yes they'd still not have a live daughter BUT they would know where she was. |
I agree with you completely, and he should have done that, but again this interview was not IMO about Natalee's disappearance. Yes, the family definitely deserved closure. No argument from me on that point.
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| toodles
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Tue Aug 12, 2008 4:42 pm |
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| yankee-in-france wrote: |
Toodles, IMO, she was asked to do an interview about how this case impacted her life, her family's life, her son's life. I don't think that she is blaming the media but explaining how its intrusion into their life effected her and her family. She is merely responding to the point of the interview. |
I guess so YIF.
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| yankee-in-france
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Tue Aug 12, 2008 4:46 pm |
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| WangChung wrote: |
The bolded part above is indicative, more times than not, of someone who is telling the truth. Anita appears to have answered every question put forth to her in a frank manner. Not once did she appear to be buying time with a phrase such as "Ya know". Not once did she show disrespect for the interviewer by saying "That's just not relevant." In short, Anita appears quite credible.
I'm not even going to touch the observation that Beth behaves badly in that her behavior speaks... no, shouts for itself. |
Wang, I think so too. As for Beth, she behaved badly but -- I believe that whoever was advising her at the time did not serve her well or further resolution of this mystery and let's just leave it at that. 
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| sarge
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Tue Aug 12, 2008 4:47 pm |
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| yankee-in-france wrote: |
No, I agree, but then Joran might have told her that. What else did you think was not believable, Sarge? |
I think as Joran's mother she wants to believe him. I don't think he is a murderer either. I do feel that an accident happened. Anita thought this too but she still believes Joran when he said it did not. That is really the only thing that I think she is wrong about.
The students who were in Natalee's group were interviewed by the FBI.
She surely knows that.
Maybe he did tell her that he lied because he did not think he would have a graduation party. I never heard that before but it is not a very good excuse for saying that they dropped Natalee off at her hotel.
She is his mother and she wants to put him in the best light. That is what any mother would do. She says there are 2 Jorans and there probably is.
He brings her coffee and holds his grandmothers hand.
We have also heard from the warden at KIA how he verbally abused Anita too.
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| WangChung
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Tue Aug 12, 2008 4:49 pm |
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| yankee-in-france wrote: |
Wang, I think so too. As for Beth, she behaved badly but -- I believe that whoever was advising her at the time did not serve her well or further resolution of this mystery and let's just leave it at that. |
Ummmmm......somebody  else already holds the franchise on that line.
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| Noor
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| yankee-in-france wrote: | This could be a very good discussion thread. Could we please stay on topic.
TIA,
Yif |
Well if you want to accomplice that everyone should just ignore toodles.
She already is all over the place about Beth.
blah blah blah.
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| GBMW
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Tue Aug 12, 2008 4:51 pm |
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| yankee-in-france wrote: |
-- well that is understandable as well. If Beth wants to file lawsuits, she is free to do that. Someone mentioned that Anita didn't show compassion for Beth or Natalee. Anita did show compassion and concern in those early days about Natalee when it was important. This was an interview about how the case effected her life and her son, etc. The interview was not about the event, who was responsible, but how the whole thing impacted the family which is why it may be seen by some as a "mememe" thing. |
It would have looked a lot better if she showed some compassion....even just one sentence / comment would have been nice. Show some humanity towards the 'other' real victims that have been living through hell for years...for a large part because of her son.
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| resigned
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Tue Aug 12, 2008 4:55 pm |
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| yankee-in-france wrote: |
-- well that is understandable as well. If Beth wants to file lawsuits, she is free to do that. Someone mentioned that Anita didn't show compassion for Beth or Natalee. Anita did show compassion and concern in those early days about Natalee when it was important. This was an interview about how the case effected her life and her son, etc. The interview was not about the event, who was responsible, but how the whole thing impacted the family which is why it may be seen by some as a "mememe" thing. |
Why not just stay silent altogether? She wasn't forced to give any interviews on how the case effected her and her family. Her husband and son were both arrested as suspects...there were plenty of attorneys to speak on behalf of the family. Just because she spoke less prolifically doesn't mean that she wasn't getting the message that she wanted out repeatedly, nor do we know what help she has enlisted from others, if any, to repeat her message.
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| sarge
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| yankee-in-france wrote: |
Wang, I think so too. As for Beth, she behaved badly but -- I believe that whoever was advising her at the time did not serve her well or further resolution of this mystery and let's just leave it at that. |
I agree. I do think Beth behaved badly. I understand her frustration as a parent that she felt not enough was being done fast enough. In that way I feel that she was right. A person missing needs to be found as quickly as possible and the ALE was not in any hurry. After a while, Beth should have had a family spokesperson and had some better advice. Having a missing daughter on foreign land does not come with a book of instructions though.
I think she was caught up in all the tv coverage and should have let someone else handle the camera coverage.
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| WangChung
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| GBMW wrote: |
It would have looked a lot better if she showed some compassion....even just one sentence / comment would have been nice. Show some humanity towards the 'other' real victims that have been living through hell for years...for a large part because of her son. |
Well, you know what? Anita seems to have spoken honestly. No script with a "compassion" line tossed in. No hand wringing. No film noir lighting. No theatrics. She seems to have shown plenty of humanity in spite of the living hell she's been through. After all, this interview was about her.
It can't be about "The Family" all the time.
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| WangChung
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Tue Aug 12, 2008 4:58 pm |
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Why not just stay silent altogether? |
Why should she? As I mentioned before:
"It's not about 'The Family' all the time."
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