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I wonder if Anita helped Joran pick out the cover for his book "De Zaak Natalee Holloway"....being an artist, I would think she would be vocal about it to him, whether he listened or not.
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| WangChung
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| sarge wrote: |
After a while, Beth should have had a family spokesperson and had some better advice. Having a missing daughter on foreign land does not come with a book of instructions though.
I think she was caught up in all the tv coverage and should have let someone else handle the camera coverage. |
Beth is an adult - adult enough to stage manage every one of her appearances, get the donation train rolling, start a non-profit "foundation", sleep with felons, etc. No need to have "family spokespeople" or any other entourage, she did juuuust fine on her own. 
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| sarge
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| GBMW wrote: |
It would have looked a lot better if she showed some compassion....even just one sentence / comment would have been nice. Show some humanity towards the 'other' real victims that have been living through hell for years...for a large part because of her son. |
Instead of saying "that girl" and "that mother".
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| Abarth
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Tue Aug 12, 2008 5:05 pm |
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Re: Interview Anita van der Sloot in Red / September 2008
| GBMW wrote: | Interview with Anita van der Sloot; published in the magazine Red / September 2008
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Is the Dutch version available ?
TIA
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| WangChung
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Tue Aug 12, 2008 5:05 pm |
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| sarge wrote: |
Instead of saying "that girl" and "that mother". |
Perhaps Anita didn't want to violate any moneymaking trademark somebody might have placed on Natalee or Beth's names. 
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| GBMW
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Tue Aug 12, 2008 5:11 pm |
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Re: Interview Anita van der Sloot in Red / September 2008
| Abarth wrote: |
Is the Dutch version available ?
TIA |
I translated from the magazine; don't think it's on their website. Sorry. There were a few quotes in the Dutch thread through medianed....
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| toodles
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Tue Aug 12, 2008 5:11 pm |
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| marco wrote: |
Well if you want to accomplice that everyone should just ignore toodles.
She already is all over the place about Beth.
blah blah blah. |
Are you the mod now?
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| toodles
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Tue Aug 12, 2008 5:13 pm |
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| resigned wrote: |
Why not just stay silent altogether? She wasn't forced to give any interviews on how the case effected her and her family. Her husband and son were both arrested as suspects...there were plenty of attorneys to speak on behalf of the family. Just because she spoke less prolifically doesn't mean that she wasn't getting the message that she wanted out repeatedly, nor do we know what help she has enlisted from others, if any, to repeat her message. |
I'd say she has a few on the message board toting her words just fine. My opinion.
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| toodles
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Tue Aug 12, 2008 5:15 pm |
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| WangChung wrote: |
Beth is an adult - adult enough to stage manage every one of her appearances, get the donation train rolling, start a non-profit "foundation", sleep with felons, etc. No need to have "family spokespeople" or any other entourage, she did juuuust fine on her own. |
I knew it wouldnt take long for this thread to be a Beth bash...yet 'some'  feel we shouldnt bash Anita...wheres the outrage when its Beth being bashed?
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| WangChung
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Tue Aug 12, 2008 5:16 pm |
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| toodles wrote: |
I knew it wouldnt take long for this thread to be a Beth bash...yet 'some' feel we shouldnt bash Anita...wheres the outrage when its Beth being bashed? |
Outrage Thread 
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| GBMW
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Tue Aug 12, 2008 5:17 pm |
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| toodles wrote: |
I knew it wouldnt take long for this thread to be a Beth bash...yet 'some' feel we shouldnt bash Anita...wheres the outrage when its Beth being bashed? |
Maybe YIF & BB are in different threads at the moment.
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| toodles
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Tue Aug 12, 2008 5:18 pm |
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| WangChung wrote: |
Outrage Thread |
Go bash Beth elsewhere you are derailing this one.
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| toodles
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Tue Aug 12, 2008 5:19 pm |
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| GBMW wrote: |
Maybe YIF is in another thread at the moment. |
Hope she says something to him. I'm sure BillyBob wont say a thing, after all its not the Van der Sloots hes bashing.
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| WangChung
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Tue Aug 12, 2008 5:21 pm |
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| toodles wrote: |
Go bash Beth elsewhere you are derailing this one. |
Merely postulating an opinion, and answer, to sarge's statement. I'm actually happy we have a thread devoted to Anita's interview where I can express my opinion that she appeared to be sincere, dignified, credible and honest in reponse to the questions she was asked. How do you feel about her interview and responses she supplied?
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| CancunMole
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Tue Aug 12, 2008 5:22 pm |
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Re: Interview Anita van der Sloot in Red / September 2008
| GBMW wrote: | Interview with Anita van der Sloot; published in the magazine Red / September 2008
~~snip~~
How is your relationship with Joran? Has it changed since May 2005?
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What the media has done with that is just bizarre. They’ve created some kind of monster. It’s got nothing to do with reality. And that has only gotten worse, because this case attracts really weird people.
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Now just who is she calling weird, I wonder?????
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| toodles
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Tue Aug 12, 2008 5:24 pm |
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| WangChung wrote: |
Merely postulating an opinion, and answer, to sarge's statement. I'm actually happy we have a thread devoted to Anita's interview where I can express my opinion that she appeared to be sincere, dignified, credible and honest in reponse to the questions she was asked. How do you feel about her interview and responses she supplied? |
You were Beth bashing as usual.
I think she knows in heart what her son did but as a mother wishes it wasnt so. I'd of liked to have seen less blaming of everyone but Joran coming from her myself. She needs to lay blame where its at. Her son is the suspect.
She should put herself in Beths shoes and think what and how she'd of acted if it was Joran tossed away like a sack of trash never to be found..and Natalee was the suspect. Bet her 'other' side would shine then.
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| WangChung
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Tue Aug 12, 2008 5:24 pm |
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Re: Interview Anita van der Sloot in Red / September 2008
| CancunMole wrote: |
Now just who is she calling weird, I wonder????? |
Any one of the three Scared Monkeys that remain on that board, perhaps? You know, the ones that suggested putting a bullet in Joran's forehead and supplied a pictoral representation of said act.
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| WangChung
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Tue Aug 12, 2008 5:25 pm |
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| toodles wrote: |
You were Beth bashing as usual.
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Griping Thread
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| toodles
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Tue Aug 12, 2008 5:26 pm |
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Re: Interview Anita van der Sloot in Red / September 2008
| CancunMole wrote: |
Now just who is she calling weird, I wonder????? |
Anyone who doesnt drool after her son I'd guess.
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| toodles
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Tue Aug 12, 2008 5:27 pm |
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Re: Interview Anita van der Sloot in Red / September 2008
| WangChung wrote: |
Any one of the three Scared Monkeys that remain on that board, perhaps? You know, the ones that suggested putting a bullet in Joran's forehead and supplied a pictoral representation of said act. |
lmao...3 scared monkeys 
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| toodles
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Tue Aug 12, 2008 5:29 pm |
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| WangChung wrote: |
Griping Thread |
Hypocrite..I didnt see you say shit when BB was whining for no one to say anything about precious moma.
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| toodles
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Tue Aug 12, 2008 5:35 pm |
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With all said I can state honestly I wouldnt want to be in either parents shoes. Beths more tho because she will never see Natalee again.
Yet it cant be easy having your son be a suspect in a missing case like this. I'm sure shes torn between not believing him and as a mother wanting to. I'm sure each new crazy thing Joran does to put himself in the spotlight again also has to shame this family.
I wonder how the other children handle this? I wonder if Val gets mocked at school and his brother called a killer? Or do his classmates think Joran innocent? It would be hard to be teased at school.
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| WangChung
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Tue Aug 12, 2008 5:36 pm |
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| toodles wrote: |
Hypocrite..I didnt see you say shit when BB was whining for no one to say anything about precious moma. |
Please, this is a thread about Anita's interview. If you wish to be venomous you are welcome to start a Venom Thread. TIA!
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| toodles
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Tue Aug 12, 2008 5:39 pm |
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| WangChung wrote: |
Please, this is a thread about Anita's interview. If you wish to be venomous you are welcome to start a Venom Thread. TIA! |
How to be a mod thread
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| enfant terrible
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Tue Aug 12, 2008 5:40 pm |
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Re: Interview Anita van der Sloot in Red / September 2008
| GBMW wrote: | Interview with Anita van der Sloot; published in the magazine Red / September 2008
On May, 30 2005 the 18 year old Natalee Holloway disappeared on Aruba. Joran van der Sloot is still considered a suspect. His mother Anita has recently tried to close this disruptive period in her life with an exposition.
Anita, how did the affair of Holloway change your life?
‘From a professor who is intensely involved with students and from a mother who is intensely involved with her children, you’re suddenly the mother of a boy who is a suspect in a case concerning the disappearance of a girl. Who is a suspect of kidnapping, of rape, murder. This has a huge impact. It has hurt me in the depth of my soul. I’ve been especially angry with the approach of the media and how the reports were all one sided. Not being able to function as a regular family, the lies that have been spread about us. That has caused the most hurt, combined with Jorans’ behaviour. I was angry with him for lying. You see very often people drift apart when something awful happens in their lives, but Paul & I only became closer. We were already strong as a family, did a lot of things together, but we only came out stronger. We talk a lot with the children, express emotions much quicker.’
How is your relationship with Joran? Has it changed since May 2005?
Anita hesitates for a moment, and says then: 'Not really. I’m his mother and he is my son. Now and then I feel so much love for him, and now and then I want to kick his behind. Like: hey kid, why do you say that, and why do you do that? People see Joran like he was portrayed in the media. Of course, everyone gets a kick out of the negative things that are extricated. But I see how he kisses his grandmother and holds her hand for half an hour and runs his fingers through her hair. I see the Joran who makes me a cup of coffee, who comes to check in with me regularly when I’m sick: how are you, mum? Those are two different Jorans.
To me Joran is more important as a son, grandson and brother than as the Joran that is portrayed in the media. Joran was also just a regular 17 year old who went to school, got good grades, had nice girlfriends who came over, whose parents I knew, had nice friends, went out like any other 17 year old. Occasionally he did things that made you go: is that really necessary? But no more than other kids his age.
What the media has done with that is just bizarre. They’ve created some kind of monster. It’s got nothing to do with reality. And that has only gotten worse, because this case attracts really weird people. When this case is solved they will leave him alone probably, but he will always remain that kid ‘who was involved with’, the kid who lied, that will continue to haunt him for the rest of his live. And I’m also ‘the mother of’. I’m not the one who’s teaching, not the artist, no, I’m ‘the mother of’.’
How do you see your relationship with Joran in the future?
‘Joran has to finish his school. If he doesn’t do that, he’ll have to deal with me and his father. He was suppose to go to college in America in 2005. He had a scholarship for an American university and was suppose to play soccer & tennis for that university, he was really looking forward to that. (silence) And of course, that has all been swept away because of all this. That still hurts, I recently talked to him about it. But he still has a chance to finish a study. And he’s smart enough to study as well. He's clever, it’s up to him to use that intelligence. Other than that, there isn’t much more you can do as a parent than giving good advice & counsel. That’s it, you can’t hold his hand any longer. You can’t lock him up. (voice is getting lower and lower) I wouldn’t want that either. He’s been locked long enough. He knows this is one of his last chances. And I do blame the people that keep lingering about the case. It’s almost impossible for him to move on, to build a future. I think they need to let go of such a kid at a certain time. I hope he’ll find his peace in about 5 or 10 years. That he can live a reasonable normal life. I never would have thought that my life would be like this 3 years ago, but there is more peace now and I hope we will be able to persevere that. And furthermore the people that are involved in this case should do their own thing. I don’t have any influence on that. None.’ |
| Quote: | "Lovely interview, informative, detailed insight by a mother who loves and knows her son, the good the bad and the ugly and not ashamed to articulate it all. Just the way a loving mother only can; and should"
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| Quote: | GRACE: When she was growing up there in the home with you, what was she like? What was her favorite thing to do? What was her favorite TV? Did she like breakfast more than dinner? What was Natalee all about?
B. TWITTY: You know, Nancy, Natalee was so independent and Natalee was so in charge of who she wanted to be and what she wanted to be, that, you know, to pin down the specifics as far as that goes, that`s just really not Natalee. |
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