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luvslalom
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Thu Sep 25, 2008 12:22 pm |
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Gregor wrote:
| Quote: | I'm afraid I disagree with just about everything you say.
I believe Beth is responsible for Joran's actions to a very great extent.
As to Joran and Patrick, if you take twenty some hours of tape and edit it down to a few minutes, you can get your subject to say just about anything you want people to hear.
I think Joran thought he could trust Patrick. I believe he told Patrick what he thought would get him what he wanted from Patrick.
I believe Joran doesn't have a clue as to what happened to Natalee, so I can't see how anything he does hurts anyone other than his family and himself. |
Everyone is responsible for their own actions. How they choose to deal with consequences is the key.
Joran: | Quote: | How did I know she would be a rich American, and the media would be all over it.
Why does this shit always happen to me? |
When the boys realized what was happening, they could have come clean immediately; Joran didn't...he kept on with stories.
The people on here posting that claim they are lawyers come up with the most brainless thoughts. 
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| Gregor
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Thu Sep 25, 2008 12:55 pm |
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| luvslalom wrote: |
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The people on here posting that claim they are lawyers come up with the most brainless thoughts. :shock: |
To whom are you referring?
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| iquitos
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Thu Sep 25, 2008 4:35 pm |
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| luvslalom wrote: | Gregor wrote:
| Quote: | I'm afraid I disagree with just about everything you say.
I believe Beth is responsible for Joran's actions to a very great extent.
As to Joran and Patrick, if you take twenty some hours of tape and edit it down to a few minutes, you can get your subject to say just about anything you want people to hear.
I think Joran thought he could trust Patrick. I believe he told Patrick what he thought would get him what he wanted from Patrick.
I believe Joran doesn't have a clue as to what happened to Natalee, so I can't see how anything he does hurts anyone other than his family and himself. |
Everyone is responsible for their own actions. How they choose to deal with consequences is the key.
Joran: | Quote: | How did I know she would be a rich American, and the media would be all over it.
Why does this shit always happen to me? |
When the boys realized what was happening, they could have come clean immediately; Joran didn't...he kept on with stories.
The people on here posting that claim they are lawyers come up with the most brainless thoughts. |
yes we have had our share of "brainless lawyers". vIvI comes to mind. we also have some very bright ones.
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| liesbeth
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| iquitos
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Sun Sep 28, 2008 8:21 am |
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the bonaire case has taken an interesting turn
the have arrested the guy. they don't have the girl. a guy in holland with the same last name with a criminal record got a call asking for ransom and his own daughter was the subject of a subsequent kidnap attempt presenting the possibility the girls was kidnapped by mistake. the local cops did not cover themselves with glory. the security guards who witnessed the abduction did not chase the guy. they called the cops who were not responsive. the head cop does not believe in the kidnap for ransom theory. in this case the abduction was witnessed. of course there was a witnessed abduction the night natalee disappeared too.
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| Glenda
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Sun Sep 28, 2008 8:55 am |
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Re: the bonaire case has taken an interesting turn
| iquitos wrote: | | the have arrested the guy. they don't have the girl. a guy in holland with the same last name with a criminal record got a call asking for ransom and his own daughter was the subject of a subsequent kidnap attempt presenting the possibility the girls was kidnapped by mistake. the local cops did not cover themselves with glory. the security guards who witnessed the abduction did not chase the guy. they called the cops who were not responsive. the head cop does not believe in the kidnap for ransom theory. in this case the abduction was witnessed. of course there was a witnessed abduction the night natalee disappeared too. |
I can just say, thank Goodness van der Straaten wasn't the lead on this case. 
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| Fishy
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Sun Sep 28, 2008 2:01 pm |
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Re: the bonaire case has taken an interesting turn
| iquitos wrote: | | the have arrested the guy. they don't have the girl. a guy in holland with the same last name with a criminal record got a call asking for ransom and his own daughter was the subject of a subsequent kidnap attempt presenting the possibility the girls was kidnapped by mistake. the local cops did not cover themselves with glory. the security guards who witnessed the abduction did not chase the guy. they called the cops who were not responsive. the head cop does not believe in the kidnap for ransom theory. in this case the abduction was witnessed. of course there was a witnessed abduction the night natalee disappeared too. |
I saw that too Iquitos and the very same thought occurred to me.
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| sarge
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Sun Sep 28, 2008 3:50 pm |
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The 24 yr old girl has been missing over a week now.
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| AC
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Sun Sep 28, 2008 4:29 pm |
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| sarge wrote: | | The 24 yr old girl has been missing over a week now. |
Yep....and didn't it take her friends/family three times at the police station before anyone really took this serious? JUST SHAKING MY HEAD HERE!!!! 
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| sarge
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Sun Sep 28, 2008 4:43 pm |
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Suspect disappearance case interrogated
27 Sep, 2008, 09:32 (GMT -04:00)
KRALENDIJK -- The team of investigation has started with the interrogation of the 24-year old Rayan P., who’s being suspected of involvement in the disappearance of the Dutch Marlies van der Kouwen
The examining judge has placed the suspect into custody on Friday. P. was arrested on Thursday. Four houses were searched, of which three are where the suspect supposedly stays and one where a scooter was found. “The police confiscated several things and also the scooter, which is being investigated for tracks”, says Chief of Police John Schagen.
Two other searches were conducted on Friday, and in addition to that, search operations with three tracker dogs in the course of the afternoon yesterday. They did this in the area where Marlies disappeared in the night of Saturday to Sunday. One of the tracker dogs is from the police corps in Curacao and the other two are from the Dutch Corps National Police Services. The search operation continues today.
“The investigation-team and the Public Prosecutor received dozens of tips in the past few days, including some very usable, which are being investigated. It doesn’t matter what the tip is, each single one is welcome. People that think that they have information that may have to do with the case, are incited to report this to the detective service via telephone number 717-8555, or 911, which is in operation 24 hours a day”, says Schagen.
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_47338.php
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| iquitos
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Sun Sep 28, 2008 5:00 pm |
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Re: the bonaire case has taken an interesting turn
| Glenda wrote: |
I can just say, thank Goodness van der Straaten wasn't the lead on this case. |
he would have been better given his bitter experience last time. when are greta and geraldo going to bonaire?
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| Bubbles
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Sun Sep 28, 2008 6:52 pm |
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So I guess you have now put to rest that oft-repeated lie by beth about collusion and PVD's undue influence.
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| iquitos
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Sun Sep 28, 2008 7:14 pm |
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elsevier
.... De rechter bepaalde op 2 augustus vorig jaar dat hij 17.600 euro zou krijgen. Het Openbaar Ministerie (OM) was het niet eens met deze uitspraak en ging in hoger beroep. Het Arubaanse hof oordeelt nu dat de aanhouding van Van der Sloot wel ‘ongegrond is gebleken, maar niet onrechtmatig'. ...
court: without grounds but not illegal.
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| iquitos
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Sun Sep 28, 2008 9:03 pm |
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the bonaire case is looking real bad
two kidnappings, one half million ransom request. similar names of two girls, one 17, who worked next door to the bar the missing one left from. the father of the one who was not kidnapped got a ransom request on her. he told them they got the wrong one. they then tried to grab his younger daughter, 8, of her bike, but she escaped. the guy who tried to grab the little girl is under arrest as is a suspect in the other case. and kidnappings don't happen in the Dutch Antilles! the father of the two girls may have a criminal background.
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Sun Sep 28, 2008 9:39 pm |
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Re: the aruba case is looking real bad
| iquitos wrote: | | two kidnappings, one half million ransom request. similar names of two girls, one 17, who worked next door to the bar the missing one left from. the father of the one who was not kidnapped got a ransom request on her. he told them they got the wrong one. they then tried to grab his younger daughter, 8, of her bike, but she escaped. the guy who tried to grab the little girl is under arrest as is a suspect in the other case. and kidnappings don't happen in the Dutch Antilles! the father of the two girls may have a criminal background. |
Are You Smarter than an Dutch Antilles Polis Officer?
A television game show format based on asking crime-dodging questions to young adults.
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| iquitos
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Sun Sep 28, 2008 9:46 pm |
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bonaire case is looking real bad
| resigned wrote: |
Are You Smarter than an Dutch Antilles Polis Officer?
A television game show format based on asking crime-dodging questions to young adults.
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sorry, of course i meant bonaire. two kidnappings in one week! asking for a ransom of 500,000 euros!
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| iquitos
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Sun Sep 28, 2008 10:43 pm |
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more bonaire
they actually have had
two kidnappings and one ransom request for a half million euros.
the younger girl, 8, in the second kidnapping managed to escape. she too was pulled off a bike. her abductor is under arrest. her older sister, Jaimylee van Kouwen, 17, worked in a restaurant next to the bar, Karel's where the missing one left from on her bike. their father, Wout van Kouwen got a ransom request phone call for his older daughter (the abductee was not his daughter). names are similar. the cops say cases are unrelated. i don't think so.
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Marlies van der Kouwe, 24, intern from Holland, pulled from her bike after leaving Karel's and carried off on a motor scooter, still missing. Suspect arrested. He had kidnapped raped and held a woman before. Got out of jail three months ago.
Bo van Kouwen, 8, was pulled from her bike, escaped. Living on island.
Jaimylee van Kouwen, 17 older sister of Bo, subject of ransom request. Living on island.
Wout van Kouwen, father of the two, got a ransom request for a half million euro. he was a crown witness who was moved to Bonaire for his safety after the guys he testified against got wind of his betrayal in a drug investigation. he himself is characterized as a (former) drug dealer. he dinies it was the yugoslav mafia that grabbed his kid off her bike.
http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/article1071534.ece/Ontvoering_Marlies_mogelijk_vergissing
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Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:13 pm |
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A & E - What Happened to Natalee Holloway?
Bill Kurtis hosts this documentary special that looks at the case that shocked the nation--the disappearance of 18-year-old Natalee Holloway on the island of Aruba on May 30, 2005. Natalee was last seen alive leaving a bar with three young local men, who became the prime suspects. Natalee's mother, Beth, is convinced that the men know what happened to her daughter, but authorities have been unable to come up with definitive proof that they are responsible for her death. Kurtis examines the key questions in the case: Will Natalee's body ever be found? Why can't authorities solve the case? And where did the investigation go wrong?
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| AlwaysL8
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| resigned wrote: |
A & E - What Happened to Natalee Holloway?
Bill Kurtis hosts this documentary special that looks at the case that shocked the nation--the disappearance of 18-year-old Natalee Holloway on the island of Aruba on May 30, 2005. Natalee was last seen alive leaving a bar with three young local men, who became the prime suspects. Natalee's mother, Beth, is convinced that the men know what happened to her daughter, but authorities have been unable to come up with definitive proof that they are responsible for her death. Kurtis examines the key questions in the case: Will Natalee's body ever be found? Why can't authorities solve the case? And where did the investigation go wrong? |
I just burst out laughing every time I see him on that girly bike.
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| LISA
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Mon Sep 29, 2008 3:42 am |
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| AlwaysL8 wrote: |
I just burst out laughing every time I see him on that girly bike. |
LOL!!
Me too!
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| iquitos
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Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:49 am |
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| resigned wrote: |
A & E - What Happened to Natalee Holloway?
Bill Kurtis hosts this documentary special that looks at the case that shocked the nation--the disappearance of 18-year-old Natalee Holloway on the island of Aruba on May 30, 2005. Natalee was last seen alive leaving a bar with three young local men, who became the prime suspects. Natalee's mother, Beth, is convinced that the men know what happened to her daughter, but authorities have been unable to come up with definitive proof that they are responsible for her death. Kurtis examines the key questions in the case: Will Natalee's body ever be found? Why can't authorities solve the case? And where did the investigation go wrong? |
Did Bill find any answers to his own questions or was his "show" all fluff?
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| AC
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Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:41 am |
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| LISA wrote: |
LOL!!
Me too!
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Yep, he is quite the "sporter".
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| Obscuregawdess
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That picture rocks! 
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| GEL
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| AC wrote: |
Yep, he is quite the "sporter". |
Oh yeah...and don't forget "delicious" too. 
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| all10suspects
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Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:15 am |
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| iquitos wrote: |
Did Bill find any answers to his own questions or was his "show" all fluff? |
At least Bill had his show on tv. Still waiting for RG show!
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