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AC
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Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:01 am |
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Thanks, Hannie.
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| sarge
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Wed Oct 22, 2008 9:51 am |
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Source: nu.nl/algemeen | Stille tocht voor Marlies op Bonaire
Published: October 22, 2008 10:48 CET
AMSTERDAM - This Thursday a memorial service followed by a silent march will be held on Bonaire in remembrance of Marlies van der Kouwe. During the service –that is organized by the parents and relatives of the 24-year old pharmacy assistant- both the parents and other invitees will speech. The police announced this Tuesday night.
The silent march will end on the spot where the body of Marlies was found last week. The family calls upon everyone to attend the service and the silent march.
Additional note:
The service will take place in the youth center "Jong Bonaire" (Kaya Libertador Simon Bolivar 16), and will start at 5.30 pm in the afternoon (local time).
Flowers
Earlier the parents stated that they highly appreciate the inhabitants leaving flowers at the finding place of their daughter.
The forensic investigation on the body of Marlies is in full progress. Tuesday it was announced that the body of Marlies would be transported back to the Netherlands in the days to follow. In the Netherlands, the Dutch Forensic Institute will examine the last week found body. It is not known on what day the remains of Marlies will be transported back to the Netherlands.
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| sarge
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Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:43 am |
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I guess I am not understanding if Marlies really was a victim of false identity or if she was targetted.
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| dugo
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Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:45 am |
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| Hannie wrote: | Ryan Pieters has admitted he played a role in the murder of Marlies to the LE.
They had a reconstruction yesterday and he led them to different houses supposedly from other suspects. His lawyer said that she couldn't comment before the police gave a press conference...There are new developments in the case. |
Word on the street is he admitted to strangling her during a struggle for her bag.
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| sarge
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Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:32 am |
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I posted this under the news articles plus the Dutch version.
So the attempted gangster story abduction must not be true.
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/2260320/___Ryan_Pieters_bekent_moord_Marlies___.html?p=3,1
***Ryan P. confesses murder Marlies***
AMSTERDAM – Ryan P. confessed to have murdered the pharmacy assistant Marlies van der Kouwe on Bonaire. P. Intended to steal the bag of van der Kouwe. When he ended up in a struggle with the victim he strangled her.
The mother of Ryan told this on Wednesday. According to her, her son is the only one responsible for the crime.
The other of Ryan spoke to her son on Tuesday. He would have told her that he strangled van der Kouwe on the place where he dragged her from her bike. After this, he transported her body on a scooter to the place where last week her body was found. According to the mother or Ryan her regrets his actions.
The 24-year old pharmacy assistant disappeared in the night of the 20th and 21 of September. On her way home she was dragged from her bike. Ryan P. was arrested a week later. There are more persons held in custody at this time.
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| iquitos
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Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:48 pm |
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too bad those security guards didn't look beyond
the end of their noses when they saw the girl in distress.
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| sarge
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Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:36 am |
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In 2002 Pieters took a Czech woman hostage on the island, who he raped for days. Also he raped before, as a 16 year old , in a violent way, a couple that caught him at a burglary. The mother of the suspect is picked up yesterday to be heard about her son.
Going back to his history, if he was convicted for these offenses he certainly did not serve much time and was not rehabilitated.
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| minitess
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Thu Oct 23, 2008 8:47 am |
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| sarge wrote: | In 2002 Pieters took a Czech woman hostage on the island, who he raped for days. Also he raped before, as a 16 year old , in a violent way, a couple that caught him at a burglary. The mother of the suspect is picked up yesterday to be heard about her son.
Going back to his history, if he was convicted for these offenses he certainly did not serve much time and was not rehabilitated. |
It's astonishing to me the light/lenient sentencing for crimes such as these! 
That 2002 crime was kidnapping and rape, at the very least. What are the sentencing guidelines in Dutch law for convictions of such crimes?
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| sarge
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Thu Oct 23, 2008 10:05 pm |
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ARUBA EXPERTISE OF HOLLOWAY CASE HELPED SOLVE MARLIES CASE
http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2952&Itemid=1
What????????
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| Lexy
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Thu Oct 23, 2008 10:29 pm |
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Who wrote this article...Shango? 
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| Hannie
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Fri Oct 24, 2008 3:11 am |
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| minitess wrote: |
It's astonishing to me the light/lenient sentencing for crimes such as these!
That 2002 crime was kidnapping and rape, at the very least. What are the sentencing guidelines in Dutch law for convictions of such crimes? |
I totally agree! Although I like our justice system overall, the only thing I don't like are the penalties...they are too low, imo.
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| iquitos
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Fri Oct 24, 2008 5:56 am |
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we don't know the true facts of the previous case
against the kid do we? so we can't really judge the sentence.
nobody has a crystal ball and you can't lock up every last bad guy in advance.
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| johan555
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Fri Oct 24, 2008 6:30 am |
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Father Marlies : No grudge against Bonaire
KRALENDIJK - Jan Willem van der Kouw, father of the murdered Marlies, thanked during the commemoration of his daughter, the police of Bonaire to find the body of his daughter.
The brother, father, mother and sister of Marlies during the memorial service (vrnl) PHOTO ANP
'That was the largest gift in these circumstances,''said Van der Kouw Thursday at the end of the afternoon (local time).
,, We cherish no grudge against Bonaire'', he said. Also mother Lily, Marlies' Nienke sister and two friends held a speech during the service.
In the youth center Bonaire Young collected hundreds of islanders themselves to the service for the 24-year-old from Leusden apothekersassistente to attend.
The service, presided over by a clergyman, was very emotional. For many interested was no room, so they had to attend outside the service. Apart from family, friends and island residents, various dignitaries were also present.
The parents of Marlies are already weeks in Bonaire, but have so far not yet been shown in public. The family Van der Kouw has all this time not even talk with the press.
After the meeting in Bonaire Young has held a silent march to the place where Marlies in the night from Saturday 20 to Sunday, September 21 disappeared at the Water and Electricity Company in the district of Hato Bonaire.
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Vader: Geen wrok tegen Bonaire
KRALENDIJK - Jan Willem van der Kouwe, vader van de vermoorde Marlies, bedankte tijdens de herdenking van zijn dochter de politie van Bonaire voor het vinden van het lichaam van zijn dochter.
,,Dat was de grootste gift in deze omstandigheden'', zei Van der Kouwe donderdag eind van de middag (lokale tijd).
,,Wij koesteren geen wrok tegen Bonaire'', zei hij verder. Ook moeder Lily, Marlies' zus Nienke en twee vrienden hielden tijdens de dienst een toespraak.
In het jongerencentrum Jong Bonaire verzamelden zich honderden eilandbewoners om de dienst voor de 24-jarige apothekersassistente uit Leusden bij te wonen.
De dienst, voorgezeten door een predikant, was zeer emotioneel. Voor veel belangstellenden was geen ruimte, waardoor zij buiten de dienst moesten bijwonen. Behalve familie, vrienden en eilandbewoners, waren ook verschillende hoogwaardigheidsbekleders aanwezig.
De ouders van Marlies zijn al weken op Bonaire, maar hebben zich tot nu toe nog niet in het openbaar vertoond. De familie Van der Kouwe heeft al die tijd ook niet met de pers gepraat.
Na de bijeenkomst in Jong Bonaire is een stille tocht gehouden naar de plaats waar Marlies in de nacht van zaterdag 20 op zondag 21 september verdween, bij het Water- en Elektriciteitsbedrijf Bonaire in de wijk Hato.
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| sarge
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Fri Oct 24, 2008 7:01 am |
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Re: we don't know the true facts of the previous case
| iquitos wrote: | against the kid do we? so we can't really judge the sentence.
nobody has a crystal ball and you can't lock up every last bad guy in advance. |
iquitos, 3rd strike and he murdered someone. Keeping a woman captive for 9 days and raping her for days plus burglarizing and raping even again.
Of course you cannot lock people up in advance but when there is a history....then different story. The investigation is not over yet anyway.
As always, the general poplulation suffers. They are the innocent ones. A few bad apples spoil the barrel and you have to trust the law to put these rapers away somewhere they cannot harm anyone.
I should have said also that the victim and the victims family suffers the most, of course.
Last edited by sarge on Fri Oct 24, 2008 9:11 am; edited 1 time in total
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| minitess
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Fri Oct 24, 2008 8:53 am |
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That is simply a joke!
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| minitess
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Fri Oct 24, 2008 8:54 am |
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| Hannie wrote: |
I totally agree! Although I like our justice system overall, the only thing I don't like are the penalties...they are too low, imo. |
It's just frightening and sad Hannie. If this guy had remained in prison, Marlies would still be alive today. 
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| iquitos
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Fri Oct 24, 2008 10:09 am |
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Re: we don't know the true facts of the previous case
| sarge wrote: |
iquitos, 3rd strike and he murdered someone. Keeping a woman captive for 9 days and raping her for days plus burglarizing and raping even again.
Of course you cannot lock people up in advance but when there is a history....then different story. The investigation is not over yet anyway.
As always, the general poplulation suffers. They are the innocent ones. A few bad apples spoil the barrel and you have to trust the law to put these rapers away somewhere they cannot harm anyone.
I should have said also that the victim and the victims family suffers the most, of course. |
sarge: we only know the superficial version of the past events. we don't know the legal one. i will defer judgement until we do. i don't like the press painting superficial pictures inviting the public to jump to conclusions. hindsight is always 20/20. but you cant lock everybody up use they might do something if you let them out. everybody might do something.
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| sarge
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Fri Oct 24, 2008 10:21 am |
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Re: we don't know the true facts of the previous case
| iquitos wrote: |
sarge: we only know the superficial version of the past events. we don't know the legal one. i will defer judgement until we do. i don't like the press painting superficial pictures inviting the public to jump to conclusions. |
I agree. That is why I said that the investigation is not over yet.
It really has been hard to draw any conclusions except that the suspect does have a prior history of violent behavior. That we should be pretty sure of
from the actual press releases from Bonaire.
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| iquitos
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Fri Oct 24, 2008 10:26 am |
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Re: we don't know the true facts of the previous case
| sarge wrote: |
I agree. That is why I said that the investigation is not over yet.
It really has been hard to draw any conclusions except that the suspect does have a prior history of violent behavior. That we should be pretty sure of
from the actual press releases from Bonaire. |
this one is obviously a bad apple but there are always two sides to every story. in the former case he may have had an intimate thing with the woman before he "kidnapped" and held her. i don't know about the case when he was 16.
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| Fishy
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Fri Oct 24, 2008 11:20 am |
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ARUBA EXPERTISE OF HOLLOWAY CASE HELPED SOLVE MARLIES CASE
http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2952&Itemid=1
Well I would like to know what the article says. I ran it through a Pap translator and the translation was really, really bad. Does anyone know of a link to a good one?
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| henk
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Fri Oct 24, 2008 12:36 pm |
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HUH?? Yes, I also would like to know WHAT expertise of the Holloway case helped.. 
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| iquitos
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Sat Oct 25, 2008 8:42 pm |
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lovely pictures
thank you.
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| wvgirl
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Sat Oct 25, 2008 8:51 pm |
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Thank you olympic
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| olympic
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Sat Oct 25, 2008 9:56 pm |
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iquitos & wvgirl..........you are very welcome!
all the credit goes to Harrie from Bonaire!
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| sarge
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Sat Oct 25, 2008 9:59 pm |
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Thank you so much,
Olympic. I had not seen these.
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