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prolific
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Sat Oct 11, 2008 1:47 pm |
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Was it said that Casey had postpartum depression after Caylee was born?
Had PPD with my second, it hits you with a wollop like a sudden bang outta hell....was barely able to function with it...all I could do was get up to feed him and that was it and usually my husband had to tell me it was time to feed him.
Then there's also postpartum blues or baby blues which is less severe.
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| Noor
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Sat Oct 11, 2008 2:03 pm |
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I have never heard that Casey had PPD.
Did you get treatment Pro, or did it go away by it self?
I never experienced it, thank god.
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| Isanah
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| prolific wrote: | Was it said that Casey had postpartum depression after Caylee was born?
Had PPD with my second, it hits you with a wollop like a sudden bang outta hell....was barely able to function with it...all I could do was get up to feed him and that was it and usually my husband had to tell me it was time to feed him.
Then there's also postpartum blues or baby blues which is less severe. |
How sad that you experienced that emotion, though I think it is unlikely that she was still having PPD. Though I believe she had a lot of regrets. I wonder if she had a lot of stretch marks. With my first pregnancy, I gained too much weight and have many of them. So many that my shitty obstetrician pointed them out and commented that they were the "worst he ever had seen happen. The asshole said that while I was being examined with my feet in the stirrups! I should have pissed on him!
Anyway, perhaps Casey really resented Caylee if she did get them. I handled them well even having been 16. Though some women can really have a complex about them. Especially being her age and wanting to flaunt her body. Also, I suppose some guys can be pretty cruel about them, if she had many. I've been with so few guys and had never had a negative word said. My husband always made me feel beautiful, and I didn't even mind when he looked at girlie magazines! 
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| Noor
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Sat Oct 11, 2008 2:07 pm |
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LOL, you're funny......should have pissed on the doctor.......
I have seen pic of Casey in the beach in a bikini, I do not remember seeing any stretch marks.
Also wearing a two-piece tells me she was not shy of showing her body.
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| Isanah
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Sat Oct 11, 2008 2:08 pm |
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Re: The Effects of Untreated Postpartum Depression
| Obscuregawdess wrote: | When postpartum depression is diagnosed it is very essential to treat it immediately. What can happen when postpartum depression goes untreated? First and foremost, an attachment problem between mother and child can develop if postpartum depression goes untreated. Mother and child, not given the chance to bond properly, may be in store for significant problems down the road.
Postpartum depression is not an issue that will go away on its own and women who go untreated may find an increased sense of alienation developing between the baby and themselves. The mother may also have trouble being a good parent to her child. She may undergo times of irritableness, have less energy and show signs of lack of concentration.
These symptoms can cause her to feel guilty and question her ability of being a good mother. All of these can cause the mother to become withdrawn from her child and give the child an uneasy feeling of neglect. This will augment the depression and cause it to deepen and worsen.
In some cases, it is also seen where mothers have killed their children in one shape or form due to depression that has gone untreated. Studies say that postpartum depression can affect the baby by causing it to have language problems, emotional bonding issues and behavioral problems.
The baby will feel these affects first and then this will carry over into the family because it will become harder to raise the baby. All of this and more can be avoided with a little proactive attention.
http://www.aboutstressmanagement.com/stressrelief/
women-and-stress/stress-management-during-pregnancy/
the-effects-of-untreated-postpartum-depression.htm
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I still think Caylee babbled too much reading that book for a child that nearing three. Maybe you are on to something about PPD effecting Casey. Don't you sometimes think that we give ideas for the defense to use? 
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| Isanah
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Sat Oct 11, 2008 2:13 pm |
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| Noor wrote: | LOL, you're funny......should have pissed on the doctor.......
I have seen pic of Casey in the beach in a bikini, I do not remember seeing any stretch marks.
Also wearing a two-piece tells me she was not shy of showing her body. |
That's true about the bikini! Damn her, I dislike women that don't get them! My daughter has had two children, and she has next to nothing in that respect!
I had gone to a group of doctors, and there were several that saw us patients! Guess who showed up for the delivery? What a asshole for this doctor to have said that shit! It was so weird when I first saw them, many of them were on my lower abdomen. I remember looking with a mirror, and just bewildered by them! I even wrote a letter to Ann Landers about them, I was thinking that telling teens about them would have more impact than other methods! The bitch never published it!
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| Noor
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Sat Oct 11, 2008 2:20 pm |
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Isanah, 
LMAO.....
I hardly have any stretch marks either, my daughter does though.
See, when you don't have them, you do not think about them.
You wrote Dear Abby hoping it would prevent teens pregnancies.
Too funny.
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| prolific
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Sat Oct 11, 2008 2:23 pm |
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Oh Isanah you should have taken your foot out of those stirrups and given that doctor a swift kick!
Noor I was sent to get help because it was scaring the hell out of my husband and my family who we were living near at the time. But then it just suddenly left just as quickly as it came on. Didn't have it with my first and was really worried when pregnant with my third but was fine there as well. It's a very strange illness and I think mostly hormonal, that's why it always confuses me when it's said it goes on for years but I suppose it can..I wonder though if it would really be other issues not just PPD.
I think the point I was trying to make is that there's no mistaking PPD and lots of times people use PPD even for baby blues. If Casey had PPD they would have known it.
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| Noor
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Sat Oct 11, 2008 2:39 pm |
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Too bad you had go through that, but I'm glad everything is good now.
I will always remember those video's seeing Andrea Yates, and how sad her whole face looked.
I don't think Casey ever had PPD.
Casey is just a selfish bitch, or a spiteful bitch, either one will work.
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| Isanah
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Sat Oct 11, 2008 2:45 pm |
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| Noor wrote: | Isanah,
LMAO.....
I hardly have any stretch marks either, my daughter does though.
See, when you don't have them, you do not think about them.
You wrote Dear Abby hoping it would prevent teens pregnancies.
Too funny. |
It's funny that after moving to the South, so many fat women were wearing a bikini! I was like shit I look better then them in a bikini, so I started wearing the high brief ones!!! 
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| Obscuregawdess
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Sat Oct 11, 2008 8:12 pm |
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| prolific wrote: | Was it said that Casey had postpartum depression after Caylee was born?
Had PPD with my second, it hits you with a wollop like a sudden bang outta hell....was barely able to function with it...all I could do was get up to feed him and that was it and usually my husband had to tell me it was time to feed him.
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I do not think it was ever said. I was just thinking that with those who deny having it or try to "control" it and never get help, it can almost ruin someone (especially someone such as a sociopath or schizzophrenic) in the long-run. All of those mental illness traits that might have been harnessed or mild come to the surface and never go away. Of course, this is not even a guess or a fact. I was just showing the fact that sometimes PPD can cause someone's attitude to do complete 180. Jese may've attributed it to Casey trying to be close with Cindy. I don't believe Casey ever really tried. This change was not long after Caylee was born, too. If what he says is true, that she never exhibited these "sociopathic" qualities or lying pathologically, perhaps she had PPD and never got it taken care of or identified. This would be NO excuse for her, just trying to take a stab at how she began to go even more downhill after motherhood. Some sociopaths do, regardless of PPD. I just know environmental factors and physical health can affect having PPD, and in the event that Cindy held Caylee first and the resentment... was just doing a "what if" thing.
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| Obscuregawdess
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Sat Oct 11, 2008 8:29 pm |
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PPD long-term effects
* An attachment problem between mother and child can develop if postpartum depression goes untreated. Mother and child, not given the chance to bond properly, may be in store for significant problems down the road. Postpartum depression is not an issue that will go away on its own and women who go untreated may find an increased sense of alienation developing between the baby and themselves.
http://www.postpartum-depression.knowledgesearch.net/
the_effects_of_untreated_postpartum_depression.html
* Untreated postpartum depression can last up to a year or longer. Sometimes untreated postpartum depression becomes a chronic depressive disorder.
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/postpartum-depression/DS00546/DSECTION=complications
* If not treated, postpartum depression can last indefinitely. There are negative consequences for both mothers and children. For mothers, untreated postpartum depression can result in marital difficulties, isolation and the overall negative emotional state of depression. There are also serious ramifications for the children of mothers with untreated postpartum depression. For example, because babies try to do everything they can to engage the adults in their lives, they will eventually stop responding to their mothers because the mothers aren’t engaged. The baby can then become depressed, because your whole life as a baby depends on engaging your caregiver. Children of mothers with untreated postpartum depression can have learning disabilities, behavioral issues, and are more likely to be abused.
http://www.placeofourown.net/question_detail.php?id=458
* Postpartum psychiatric illness was initially conceptualized as a group of disorders specifically linked to pregnancy and childbirth and thus was considered diagnostically distinct from other types of psychiatric illness. More recent evidence suggests that postpartum psychiatric illness is virtually indistinguishable from psychiatric disorders that occur at other times during a woman's life. Individuals at greatest risk often have a prior history of postpartum depression or psychosis, personal or family history of mood disorder, or depression during the current pregnancy. Other risk factors include inadequate social supports, marital dissatisfaction or discord, and recent negative life events such as a death in the family, financial difficulties, or loss of employment. Postpartum psychiatric illness consists of a highly prevalent group of disorders that affect women during the childbearing years. While postpartum blues is typically benign and self-limited, postpartum depression and postpartum psychosis cause significant distress and dysfunction. Despite multiple contacts with medical professionals during the postpartum period, puerperal mood disorders are frequently missed, and many women go without treatment. Untreated mood disorders place the mother at risk for recurrent disease. Furthermore, maternal depression is associated with long-term cognitive, emotional, and behavioral problems in the child. One of the most important objectives is to increase awareness across the spectrum of health care professionals who care for women during pregnancy and the puerperium so that postpartum mood disorders may be identified early and treated appropriately.
http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic3408.htm
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| Obscuregawdess
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Sat Oct 11, 2008 8:32 pm |
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Re: The Effects of Untreated Postpartum Depression
| Isanah wrote: |
I still think Caylee babbled too much reading that book for a child that nearing three. Maybe you are on to something about PPD effecting Casey. Don't you sometimes think that we give ideas for the defense to use? |
Well, long-term effects of PPD and sociopathy aren't things that should make anyone feel any sympathy for her or to have leniency. I agree she didn't have PPD anymore, but I wonder if she let it go untreated and therefore ruined the mother-child bonding period AND brought her sociopathic personality to the surface. Just guesses, like people are guessing and forming opinions on other aspects.  The defense better not try to link me to helping them or- or- or- I'll sue!
ETA: My keyboard sucks! (all these damn spelling errors  )
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| Obscuregawdess
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I have four kids and a history of biopolar and severe depression during pregnancy, three of them, but I only had PPD once-- which was odd. I spoke with my doctor about it, and he gave me medicine that I ended up not taking. Actually, no one noticed or didn't care-- except my mother. No fooling her! She made me take my medicine. 
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| wvgirl
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Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:28 pm |
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| Noor wrote: | Too bad you had go through that, but I'm glad everything is good now.
I will always remember those video's seeing Andrea Yates, and how sad her whole face looked.
I don't think Casey ever had PPD.
Casey is just a selfish bitch, or a spiteful bitch, either one will work. |
I don't think she had PPD either fwiw. And I agree with the rest. I also doubt Casey was burdened down with Caylee's care in the beginning. Remember, Jesse's family was a big part of Caylee's life and his father thought alot of Casey...until the dna came back. But what I'm trying to get at is if Casey was saying she worked the last couple years, plus her partying, she was never around to be a mother the first couple years. I tired as hell right now and can't even think what I'm trying to say.
Oh, I wanted to comment about Caylee reading/talking at the nursing home. Bethany won't be 3 until June and she's far beyond that level. (but of course she is brilliant, like her nanny  ) Also, that tender pic of her on her great grandfather's lap bothers me when I look at her eyes. Such dark circles, and no sparkle to her.
Isanah  I laughed outloud about the pissing on the dr and woke my husband up. I was blessed with no stretch marks, but my poor Emily, from boobs to knees. And, she is very fair skinned, so they are a nice shade of purple.
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| wvgirl
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Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:31 pm |
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Re: The Effects of Untreated Postpartum Depression
| Obscuregawdess wrote: |
Well, long-term effects of PPD and sociopathy aren't things that should make anyone feel any sympathy for her or to have lenience. I agree she didn't have PPD anymore, but I wonder if she let it go untreated and threfore ruined the mother-child bonding period AND brought her sociopathic personality to the surface. Just guesses, like people are guessing and forming opinions on other aspects. The defense better not try to link me to helping them or- or- or- I'll sue! |
Ah, I see said the blind woman. Now that makes alot of sense to me.
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| Obscuregawdess
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I'm probably wrong. Sometimes I read oo much into things, but the endless possiblities interest me and get me curious, as I try to think like "Casey" to develop an opinion so, since I don't know her, I try to paint the most accurate picture I can with what we know or can guess. I'm tired too, WV. Now, I dunno what I am trying to get at!
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| Pragmatist
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| Obscuregawdess wrote: | | I'm probably wrong. Sometimes I read oo much into things, but the endless possiblities interest me and get me curious, as I try to think like "Casey" to develop an opinion so, since I don't know her, I try to paint the most accurate picture I can with what we know or can guess. I'm tired too, WV. Now, I dunno what I am trying to get at! |
AW, OG..you're just trying to do what the rest of us are doing....trying to understand how the in the hell a mother could be as callous and seemingly heartless as Casey seems to be.
I agree with you that it is possible Casey had PPD in the beginning and failed to bond. It's obvious to me she failed to bond with that child, and PPD could have been the reason. Who knows?
Personally, I wonder if anyone bonded with that baby in that deep materal love sort of way. All I see is Caylee being an object to all of them. I see Caylee tossed about as -'You take care of her....No it's your turn' -that sort of thing.
I see Caylee as a tool for intra-family warfare!
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I see Casey as controlling the whole family. She was putting them so far into debt that they had to work too many hours to really have any "normal" family life. The first year of Caylee's life with the Grunds is probably the only time that she was treated as a normal baby should have been.
After that, she was probably taken care of well when George and Cindy were around but in the care of Casey, who knows what went on? Probably there are things that we will be shocked and sickened by.
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| sarge wrote: | I see Casey as controlling the whole family. She was putting them so far into debt that they had to work too many hours to really have any "normal" family life. The first year of Caylee's life with the Grunds is probably the only time that she was treated as a normal baby should have been.
After that, she was probably taken care of well when George and Cindy were around but in the care of Casey, who knows what went on? Probably there are things that we will be shocked and sickened by. |
I agree
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| Obscuregawdess
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Good post, Prag. I agree with you Sarge, as well. What is scary is if the Anthony's are trying to pretend or believe she was really a good mother from what they saw when they were around-- then what happened when they were not around. I know a stepmother that shall remain nameless who was just "goody gumdrops" in front of people, even her hubby, but turned into another creature when she was one on one with the child.
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| Pragmatist
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| sarge wrote: | | I see Casey as controlling the whole family. She was putting them so far into debt that they had to work too many hours to really have any "normal" family life. The first year of Caylee's life with the Grunds is probably the only time that she was treated as a normal baby should have been.After that, she was probably taken care of well when George and Cindy were around but in the care of Casey, who knows what went on? Probably there are things that we will be shocked and sickened by. |
I completely agree with the bolded part.
I'm curious how you think Casey was controlling the whole family though. She can't control anything they didn't let her control, so as I see it it's a family affair EXCEPT where Caylee is concerned...
with Caylee I think the GP's may have let Casey control when they babysat that child, even in times when they may not have wanted to I'm sure the let Casey dictate or else have to worry about Casey trapsing all over the place with her....but on that note, Cindy and George seemed to be fine that their precious grandbaby was being sat by a sitter Casey chose whom they have never met nor knew anything about for over a year....so I don't see how they could think Casey can't be trusted with Caylee's care and blindly be fine with a mysterious nanny for over a year!
So if they are telling the truth that they were aware of this nanny for over a year, then they also have to not have worried about Caylee when Casey was making decisions about her.
It just seems to me the GP's care when it makes Casey look bad and they don't care otherwise...that's why I think poor Caylee was the center of family warfare more than any child be. I do not doubt for one second both Casey and Cindy would use Caylee to upset each other. I don't doubt they both would take Caylee off and not tell the other, for example.
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| Obscuregawdess
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I think they believed what they wanted to believe, and instead of questioning Casey's mothering, they would say, "Shame on me for doubting her. Of course she's a good mother." Sociopaths are good at manipulating their "loved ones" into feeling that way. Just when Cindy started to shape up in that regard, as well as George, Caylee is gone-- and they have a choice. Believe their daughter and trust that Caylee is alive? That's easier to accept than coming to terms with a dead Caylee and a murderous, sociopathic, deceitful daughter. It's a pity IMO.
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The reason I say that Casey was controlling the situation is like OG said, George and Cindy saw and believed what they want to. Casey seems like a problem child who never grew up. She should have been made to finish high school where she could work at night if she had to. It sounds like no one in that family ever had any control over Casey. She learned to manipulate and control. Obviously, Caylee was used to get her way.
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I agree, sarge.
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