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I AM THE 20 CAR
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Wed May 24, 2006 8:47 am |
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Can someone tell me when PVDS got the letter. Was this recently ?
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| Heli
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Wed May 24, 2006 8:58 am |
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| I AM THE 20 CAR wrote: | | Can someone tell me when PVDS got the letter. Was this recently ? |
Disclosure of the existence of a letter purporting to be from Natalee occurred late in the year 2005, late November or early December although it was dated and/or received in September, after the 3 suspects had been released from jail.
The letter supposedly reflected that copies had been sent to the FBI and Beth Twitty and instructed the receivers to test the envelope for DNA which would confirm it was Natalee.
I believe Steve Cohen first revealed info about the letter and upon being asked about this, Beth Twitty reacted in an unusual way by insisting ALE should be concentrating on the blood found on Joran's sneaker rather than a letter supposedly from Natalee.
Interesting reaction I thought; she preferred the thought of finding evidence of Natalee's violent demise over even the remotest possibility that Natalee was alive. She is a very curious woman, to say the least.
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| Fiery
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Wed May 24, 2006 9:00 am |
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| Heli wrote: | | I AM THE 20 CAR wrote: | | Can someone tell me when PVDS got the letter. Was this recently ? |
Disclosure of the existence of a letter purporting to be from Natalee occurred late in the year 2005, late November or early December although it was dated and/or received in September, after the 3 suspects had been released from jail.
The letter supposedly reflected that copies had been sent to the FBI and Beth Twitty and instructed the receivers to test the envelope for DNA which would confirm it was Natalee.
I believe Steve Cohen first revealed info about the letter and upon being asked about this, Beth Twitty reacted in an unusual way by insisting ALE should be concentrating on the blood found on Joran's sneaker rather than a letter supposedly from Natalee.
Interesting reaction I thought; she preferred the thought of finding evidence of Natalee's violent demise over even the remotest possibility that Natalee was alive. She is a very curious woman, to say the least. |
Heli, I remember some saying there were anywhere from 9 to 11 letters sent. I also recall a very surprised mom. I felt bad for her. It appeared that she had missed a letter from her own daughter.
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| Heli
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Wed May 24, 2006 9:04 am |
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| Fiery wrote: | | Heli wrote: | | I AM THE 20 CAR wrote: | | Can someone tell me when PVDS got the letter. Was this recently ? |
Disclosure of the existence of a letter purporting to be from Natalee occurred late in the year 2005, late November or early December although it was dated and/or received in September, after the 3 suspects had been released from jail.
The letter supposedly reflected that copies had been sent to the FBI and Beth Twitty and instructed the receivers to test the envelope for DNA which would confirm it was Natalee.
I believe Steve Cohen first revealed info about the letter and upon being asked about this, Beth Twitty reacted in an unusual way by insisting ALE should be concentrating on the blood found on Joran's sneaker rather than a letter supposedly from Natalee.
Interesting reaction I thought; she preferred the thought of finding evidence of Natalee's violent demise over even the remotest possibility that Natalee was alive. She is a very curious woman, to say the least. |
Heli, I remember some saying there were anywhere from 9 to 11 letters sent. I also recall a very surprised mom. I felt bad for her. It appeared that she had missed a letter from her own daughter. |
I never heard anything about 9+ letters sent. I'm afraid based on one year of observing Beth Twitty's M.O., I am skeptical about any reaction or emotion she displays for the cameras.
If you go back to interviews of her after Steve Cohen revealed that Paul had received such a letter, she was extremely dismissive and instead indignantly suggested that ALE should be concentrating on the blood found on Joran's sneaker.
Google "Letter from Natalee", there's a number of sources to read from on this subject.
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| CancunMole
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Wed May 24, 2006 9:06 am |
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| Heli wrote: | This alleged witness has been mentioned only by Dave Holloway and his sister Linda Allison.
Dave claims this witness went to a Holloway "representative" with the information of having seen an "occurrence" on the beach the night Natalee went missing and thereafter obtained some kind of "forensic" evidence.
Now, Dave claims ALE has been advised of this witness' information but it's not known whether ALE has followed up. 
I say we need to bear in mind it's Dave Holloway referring to something as "forensic evidence". Based on an entire year of observing Dave Holloway's criminal investigation skills, I think I'll give it consideration if and when it materializes. |
NOT VERBATIM NOT COMPLETE ( with thanks again to Heli)
Hannity & Colmes 5/23/06
| Quote: | Sean:
I want to go back to what you mentioned before, that they are questioning this witness who was there the night of Natalee's disappearance, talking about an occurrence at the beach and some forensic evidence
Linda
This is information that came to light about a week ago, I don't have any other info at this time, but I hope that this witness is credible
Sean:
A witness or potential guilty party or somebody responsible
Linda
Actually this individual was a witness to observe some things that occurred on the beach.
Sean:
Did they witness something with Joran?
Linda:
I really can't elaborate at this point, we've had a witness that saw the 3 suspects, the gardener, he was an illegal alien and I think it's with this one as well Ppl can come and go that are not citizens, it was discussed early on |
http://tinyurl.com/s6w96
IMO, this sounds like if this new witness is "real" that the observations may lead away from Joran & Co.
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| SMreject1977
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Wed May 24, 2006 9:13 am |
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I think the reason Beth was so dismissive was because the letter is obviously a fake thought up by aruba to try to get rid of this case. Just like they did after that didnt work they get dompig to say Nat died of an overdose and they have evidence that she had drugs with her. What is up with Aruba. When the security guards were arrested it was a murder then it goes to a kidnapping missing person to a runaway back to accidental death and buried more than once and now a heavy battering and murder. If aruba has no evidence of anything they wouldnt say anything. Aruba knows nat died that night and J2K, PVDS know what happened. I can see it now PVDS and top Aruba brass by the pool saying how are we going to get rid of this. and one says hey wouldnt it be great if there was a letter from Nat saying shes in the US and alive. hence the letter was created. If and I mean If the letter had ANY credibility they would trace where the letter came from and start looking for an alive Natalee. Since they havent the letter is total BS.
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| lushus
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Wed May 24, 2006 9:20 am |
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| lovejust wrote: | | Also_Dutch wrote: | | HannieC wrote: | Maybe Natalee lives in The Hague safe and sound.....  |
....living amongst thousands of dutch blue-eyed boys.....learning to speak "Haags", partying on the beaches of Scheveningen, maybe visiting the "kortgeding" tomorrow  |
because she does not want to be extradicted either ........ |
Hey You!!!
Long time no see ..
I've missed you! 
Sorry for O/T
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| lushus
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Wed May 24, 2006 9:22 am |
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| mtrules wrote: | | Does anyone know what the news is? |
No, but I love your av .. it's gorgeous ..
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| Fiery
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Wed May 24, 2006 9:22 am |
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| SMreject1977 wrote: | | I think the reason Beth was so dismissive was because the letter is obviously a fake thought up by aruba to try to get rid of this case. Just like they did after that didnt work they get dompig to say Nat died of an overdose and they have evidence that she had drugs with her. What is up with Aruba. When the security guards were arrested it was a murder then it goes to a kidnapping missing person to a runaway back to accidental death and buried more than once and now a heavy battering and murder. If aruba has no evidence of anything they wouldnt say anything. Aruba knows nat died that night and J2K, PVDS know what happened. I can see it now PVDS and top Aruba brass by the pool saying how are we going to get rid of this. and one says hey wouldnt it be great if there was a letter from Nat saying shes in the US and alive. hence the letter was created. If and I mean If the letter had ANY credibility they would trace where the letter came from and start looking for an alive Natalee. Since they havent the letter is total BS. |
hey SM...where ya been?
How do you know they aren't?
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Who died and made YOU Darth Vader?
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| CancunMole
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Wed May 24, 2006 9:25 am |
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| SMreject1977 wrote: | | I think the reason Beth was so dismissive was because the letter is obviously a fake thought up by aruba to try to get rid of this case. Just like they did after that didnt work they get dompig to say Nat died of an overdose and they have evidence that she had drugs with her. What is up with Aruba. When the security guards were arrested it was a murder then it goes to a kidnapping missing person to a runaway back to accidental death and buried more than once and now a heavy battering and murder. If aruba has no evidence of anything they wouldnt say anything. Aruba knows nat died that night and J2K, PVDS know what happened. I can see it now PVDS and top Aruba brass by the pool saying how are we going to get rid of this. and one says hey wouldnt it be great if there was a letter from Nat saying shes in the US and alive. hence the letter was created. If and I mean If the letter had ANY credibility they would trace where the letter came from and start looking for an alive Natalee. Since they havent the letter is total BS. |
Yet on the flip side, it could well be that no public information about the letter, any to/from AL calls and the HI 3 AM video means that they are real evidence and therefore cannot be released pending ongoing investigations.
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| lushus
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Wed May 24, 2006 9:29 am |
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I guess we're still waiting on news .. 
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| CancunMole
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Wed May 24, 2006 10:09 am |
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Could this new witness have anything to do with or be the Columbian that Hannie heard about on the radio when the arrest(s) in Holland were announced?
| HannieC wrote: | Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 12:20 pm
Yes i know, but i heard since 5 o clock here on the radio news that there was also an arrest made on Aruba a Colombian guy who supposedly witnessed the events, so i don`t know.....
Maybe there are 3, i have no idea...... |
http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/viewtopic.php?t=1914
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| bamuda
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Wed May 24, 2006 10:15 am |
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| CancunMole wrote: | Could this new witness have anything to do with or be the Columbian that Hannie heard about on the radio when the arrest(s) in Holland were announced?
| HannieC wrote: | Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 12:20 pm
Yes i know, but i heard since 5 o clock here on the radio news that there was also an arrest made on Aruba a Colombian guy who supposedly witnessed the events, so i don`t know.....
Maybe there are 3, i have no idea...... |
http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/viewtopic.php?t=1914 |
The crying tipster?
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| CancunMole
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Wed May 24, 2006 10:22 am |
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| bamuda wrote: | | CancunMole wrote: | Could this new witness have anything to do with or be the Columbian that Hannie heard about on the radio when the arrest(s) in Holland were announced?
| HannieC wrote: | Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 12:20 pm
Yes i know, but i heard since 5 o clock here on the radio news that there was also an arrest made on Aruba a Colombian guy who supposedly witnessed the events, so i don`t know.....
Maybe there are 3, i have no idea...... |
http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/viewtopic.php?t=1914 |
The crying tipster? |
No, the "crying tipster" was about where she might have been buried in the dunes. This new one, if it is a real new one, is the one who claims to have seen something on the beach that night.
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| pax
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Wed May 24, 2006 10:24 am |
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| SMreject1977 wrote: | | I think the reason Beth was so dismissive was because the letter is obviously a fake thought up by aruba to try to get rid of this case. Just like they did after that didnt work they get dompig to say Nat died of an overdose and they have evidence that she had drugs with her. What is up with Aruba. When the security guards were arrested it was a murder then it goes to a kidnapping missing person to a runaway back to accidental death and buried more than once and now a heavy battering and murder. If aruba has no evidence of anything they wouldnt say anything. Aruba knows nat died that night and J2K, PVDS know what happened. I can see it now PVDS and top Aruba brass by the pool saying how are we going to get rid of this. and one says hey wouldnt it be great if there was a letter from Nat saying shes in the US and alive. hence the letter was created. If and I mean If the letter had ANY credibility they would trace where the letter came from and start looking for an alive Natalee. Since they havent the letter is total BS. |
The letter was thought up by an entire country?
Wow!
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| woebegone
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Wed May 24, 2006 10:24 am |
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| CancunMole wrote: | | bamuda wrote: | | CancunMole wrote: | Could this new witness have anything to do with or be the Columbian that Hannie heard about on the radio when the arrest(s) in Holland were announced?
| HannieC wrote: | Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 12:20 pm
Yes i know, but i heard since 5 o clock here on the radio news that there was also an arrest made on Aruba a Colombian guy who supposedly witnessed the events, so i don`t know.....
Maybe there are 3, i have no idea...... |
http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/viewtopic.php?t=1914 |
The crying tipster? |
No, the "crying tipster" was about where she might have been buried in the dunes. This new one, if it is a real new one, is the one who claims to have seen something on the beach that night. |
and also (according to Dave H) has forensic evidence to support his claims.
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| prolific
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Wed May 24, 2006 10:25 am |
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Wonder where this witness has been for the past year?
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| woebegone
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Wed May 24, 2006 10:27 am |
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| prolific wrote: | | Wonder where this witness has been for the past year? |
Same here. I keep asking myself...what kind of evidence would someone keep for a year? And why in the world would they do so?
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| bamuda
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Wed May 24, 2006 10:35 am |
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| CancunMole wrote: | | bamuda wrote: | | CancunMole wrote: | Could this new witness have anything to do with or be the Columbian that Hannie heard about on the radio when the arrest(s) in Holland were announced?
| HannieC wrote: | Posted: Sun May 21, 2006 12:20 pm
Yes i know, but i heard since 5 o clock here on the radio news that there was also an arrest made on Aruba a Colombian guy who supposedly witnessed the events, so i don`t know.....
Maybe there are 3, i have no idea...... |
http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/viewtopic.php?t=1914 |
The crying tipster? |
No, the "crying tipster" was about where she might have been buried in the dunes. This new one, if it is a real new one, is the one who claims to have seen something on the beach that night. |
Oh, ok. Thank you, I get all the witnesses mixed up. 
Maybe this new tipster has been in Columbia?
Joran said that several people were on the beach while he was there with Natalee.
This witness is hinky if he has for sure seen something and kept it quiet for a year.
Why would he come out now? His secret was safe all this time.
Money?
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| prolific
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Wed May 24, 2006 10:36 am |
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Why do I smell Jossy as being right in the middle of this?
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| pausebreak
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Wed May 24, 2006 10:43 am |
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| woebegone wrote: | | prolific wrote: | | Wonder where this witness has been for the past year? |
Same here. I keep asking myself...what kind of evidence would someone keep for a year? And why in the world would they do so? |
Maybe the person didn't get their monthly stipend from the Holloway/Twitty gangs to keep what he/she knew quiet and is now coming forward? We don't know that the bribes and witness tampering was exclusive to the girls coming forward against Joran.
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| bamuda
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Wed May 24, 2006 10:43 am |
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| prolific wrote: | | Why do I smell Jossy as being right in the middle of this? |
Because he usually is........ right in the middle.
He should be giving his take soon.
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| woebegone
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Wed May 24, 2006 10:44 am |
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what would be considered forensic evidence, and be of any value?
Joran's shoes...so what? He admitts he left them on the beach.
Natalee's sandles? Again, so what?
Unless the above items contained Natalee's blood they would be of little value from an evidence stand point, IMO.
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| CancunMole
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Wed May 24, 2006 10:55 am |
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| woebegone wrote: | | prolific wrote: | | Wonder where this witness has been for the past year? |
Same here. I keep asking myself...what kind of evidence would someone keep for a year? And why in the world would they do so? |
Could it be that there wasn't much news coverage of the case in Columbia? Don't know but tried to google and didn't have any luck, where's Edward?
Could have been tourists who picked up some sneakers and scandals that they found on the beach, so many possibilities. Guess time will tell or not.
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| bamuda
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Wed May 24, 2006 10:58 am |
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| woebegone wrote: | what would be considered forensic evidence, and be of any value?
Joran's shoes...so what? He admitts he left them on the beach.
Natalee's sandles? Again, so what?
Unless the above items contained Natalee's blood they would be of little value from an evidence stand point, IMO. |
Her clothes?
Wasn't there a rumor that her clothes were buried?
Didn't the crackhead at the dump say the body he saw was naked?
Yeah, I know......but.
Seems like it would have to be something of Natalee's. Her ID?
I dunno, just guessing.
Even if she went swimming, many think she would have taken off her skirt.
She didn't have much with her, ID, money and clothes.
Wonder what time he saw what he saw? After three in the morning or before?
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