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cajun_mali
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Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:56 pm |
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How would they have handled Natalee's disappearance where ..
.. you live?
I keep hearing how the Arubans should have handled it. What would they do in your home town?
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| Glenda
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Re: How would they have handled Natalee's disappearance wher
| cajun_mali wrote: | .. you live?
I keep hearing how the Arubans should have handled it. What would they do in your home town? |
Well, where I'm originally from, the boy who was last seen with a missing person wouldn't have been in jail for more than a few hours.... Then the boy who goes before the court without even evidence of a crime wouldn't even become a person of interest and you'll never hear about it again until there is a least some other evidence other than no contact with the divorce parents. And if she/he is cute, she/he "might" even be mentioned in the local media.
Then again, if the Mother cries and lies, gang-rape, cover-up, corruption or that she flew off in a balloon that looks like a spaceship... Well, Free Ride HEADLINE NEWS FOR AS LONG AS THE L.E. or Wolf Blitzer DOESN'T ask any real questions.
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| Heli
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Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:21 pm |
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Firstly, the name of a minor, Joran, would never have been revealed publicly by any media and anyone or any entity that violated that would be held legally accountable. The Youth Criminal Justice Act forbids the name of a minor ever being published no matter what the crime or alleged crime is.
It goes without saying that no photographs would have been allowed to be published.
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| gilligan
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Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:26 pm |
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Detain and/or hospitalize Beth & Co. for trying to impersonate LE.
Seriously, she probably would have been handled by victims services coordinators and the media would have no one to talk to that would say more than "we can't comment on an ongoing investigation".
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Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:32 pm |
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Re: How would they have handled Natalee's disappearance wher
| cajun_mali wrote: | .. you live?
I keep hearing how the Arubans should have handled it. What would they do in your home town? |
Natalee Holloway did not disappear where I live so I wouldn't know how they might have handled it.
They have done a poor job on Aruba though...if it was a resolution to the case that they were ever seeking. Great job if they were just looking to create confusion to divert from the fact that the last person known to be seen with Natalee was the son of an influential Dutch official at the local prosecutor's office.
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Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:35 pm |
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Re: How would they have handled Natalee's disappearance wher
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Natalee Holloway did not disappear where I live so I wouldn't know how they might have handled it.
They have done a poor job on Aruba though...if it was a resolution to the case that they were ever seeking. Great job if they were just looking to create confusion to divert from the fact that the last person known to be seen with Natalee was the son of an influential Dutch official at the local prosecutor's office. |
Now that's funny.
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| Slickster
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Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:44 pm |
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Re: How would they have handled Natalee's disappearance wher
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Now that's funny. |
as per-usual.
I'll go with gilligan's reply, myself.
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| Glenda
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Re: How would they have handled Natalee's disappearance wher
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Natalee Holloway did not disappear where I live so I wouldn't know how they might have handled it.
They have done a poor job on Aruba though...if it was a resolution to the case that they were ever seeking. Great job if they were just looking to create confusion to divert from the fact that the last person known to be seen with Natalee was the son of an influential Dutch official at the local prosecutor's office. |
Pat, why are you trying to continue to float the idea that a civil servant is an influential Dutch official... I can assure you that most beach bums have more influence than an honest and closely-eyed responsible, held to higher regard than most, civil servant....
I usually don't call you to the plate because you really do your research before posting. But you are so wrong in this regard.
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Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:46 pm |
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Re: How would they have handled Natalee's disappearance wher
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Well, where I'm originally from, the boy who was last seen with a missing person wouldn't have been in jail for more than a few hours.... Then the boy who goes before the court without even evidence of a crime wouldn't even become a person of interest and you'll never hear about it again until there is a least some other evidence other than no contact with the divorce parents. And if she/he is cute, she/he "might" even be mentioned in the local media.
Then again, if the Mother cries and lies, gang-rape, cover-up, corruption or that she flew off in a balloon that looks like a spaceship... Well, Free Ride HEADLINE NEWS FOR AS LONG AS THE L.E. or Wolf Blitzer DOESN'T ask any real questions. |
Well, if you're originally from The US, I couldn't disagree more as you're missing the entire middle between bringing them in and going to court.
LE would have brought in the LKPW and questioned them....LE would have been smart enough and/or willing enough to pick up on the inconsistencies between the three stories.....LE would have been smart enough and/or willing enough to see the huge red flag in inconsistent statements between the three no matter how small the inconsistency and continued the questioning, bringing them back in for more questioning.... while LE also went out to try to corroborate LKPW's stories themselves and not just taken the LKPW word for it because they 'seemed' like nice boys, i.e checking video tapes themselves....LE would have been able to figure out themselves that she wasn't brought back to where they said she was. The LKPW would have immediately become POI....they would have gotten attorneys and LE would have gotten search warrants...not given them a 10 day head start..
So who knows by the time court came around what 'evidence' LE would have had..
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Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:10 pm |
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Re: How would they have handled Natalee's disappearance wher
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Pat, why are you trying to continue to float the idea that a civil servant is an influential Dutch official... I can assure you that most beach bums have more influence than an honest and closely-eyed responsible, held to higher regard than most, civil servant....
I usually don't call you to the plate because you really do your research before posting. But you are so wrong in this regard. |
Paulus van der Sloot was more than just your average run of the mill "civil servant" on Aruba. Why are you still floating the notion that he wasn't?
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De heer mr. P.A.P.J. van der Sloot (50) wordt voorgedragen voor benoeming tot plaatsvervangend lid van het Gemeenschappelijk Hof van Justitie van de Nederlandse Antillen en Aruba. De heer van der Sloot is nu werkzaam als kabinetschef bij de procureur-generaal van Aruba. De benoeming gaat in op
1 januari 2003 voor een periode van drie jaar.
RVD, 20.12.2002
http://www.nieuwsbank.nl/inp/2002/12/20/R280.htm
Google translation:
Thony P.A.P.J. van der Sloot (50) is nominated for appointment as alternate member of the Common Court of Justice of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba. Mr. van der Sloot is now working as private secretary to the Attorney General of Aruba. The appointment is effective on
January 1, 2003 for a period of three years.
RVD, 20.12.2002
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You know - just like how those influential politcos from Mountain Brook flew into Aruba like cowboys to find their friend's daughter.
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Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:15 pm |
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Flew into Aruba like cowboys to secretly whisk the wayward drunk, druggie, unhappy, runaway tramp off the island thanks to their long fingers that reach all the way up to the WhiteHouse and powerful enough to control the FBI to be able to get them to help Twitty's and MB obstruct the 'real' truth, so much so that poor Dompig had to do his own 'dirty work'.
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| Glenda
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Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:23 pm |
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Re: How would they have handled Natalee's disappearance wher
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Well, if you're originally from The US, I couldn't disagree more as you're missing the entire middle between bringing them in and going to court.
LE would have brought in the LKPW and questioned them....LE would have been smart enough and/or willing enough to pick up on the inconsistencies between the three stories.....LE would have been smart enough and/or willing enough to see the huge red flag in inconsistent statements between the three no matter how small the inconsistency and continued the questioning, bringing them back in for more questioning.... while LE also went out to try to corroborate LKPW's stories themselves and not just taken the LKPW word for it because they 'seemed' like nice boys, i.e checking video tapes themselves....LE would have been able to figure out themselves that she wasn't brought back to where they said she was. The LKPW would have immediately become POI....they would have gotten attorneys and LE would have gotten search warrants...not given them a 10 day head start..
So who knows by the time court came around what 'evidence' LE would have had.. |
Sorry Prolific, and what do you have to say about the Orlando Police Department? Where is Jennifer Kesse and how long was the person of interest detained?
GRETA VAN SUSTEREN, HOST: Breaking news in the Jennifer Kesse case.
We have covered her strange disappearance extensively. You remember the beautiful young financial analyst who vanished 16 months ago. She was 24 at the time. Jennifer had returned from a Caribbean cruise with her boyfriend and then never showed up at work the next day. Police found Jennifer's Chevy Malibu at a condo complex near her home, and surveillance video showed someone near her car.
Tonight police are releasing new evidence. Joining us, Sergeant Barbara Jones of the Orlando Police Department. Welcome, Sergeant Jones.
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Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:26 pm |
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| prolific wrote: | | Flew into Aruba like cowboys to secretly whisk the wayward drunk, druggie, unhappy, runaway tramp off the island thanks to their long fingers that reach all the way up to the WhiteHouse and powerful enough to control the FBI to be able to get them to help Twitty's and MB obstruct the 'real' truth, so much so that poor Dompig had to do his own 'dirty work'. |
...and the Home Team Advantage goes to: 
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| Glenda
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Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:29 pm |
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Re: How would they have handled Natalee's disappearance wher
| resigned wrote: | | Glenda wrote: |
Pat, why are you trying to continue to float the idea that a civil servant is an influential Dutch official... I can assure you that most beach bums have more influence than an honest and closely-eyed responsible, held to higher regard than most, civil servant....
I usually don't call you to the plate because you really do your research before posting. But you are so wrong in this regard. |
Paulus van der Sloot was more than just your average run of the mill "civil servant" on Aruba. Why are you still floating the notion that he wasn't?
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De heer mr. P.A.P.J. van der Sloot (50) wordt voorgedragen voor benoeming tot plaatsvervangend lid van het Gemeenschappelijk Hof van Justitie van de Nederlandse Antillen en Aruba. De heer van der Sloot is nu werkzaam als kabinetschef bij de procureur-generaal van Aruba. De benoeming gaat in op
1 januari 2003 voor een periode van drie jaar.
RVD, 20.12.2002
http://www.nieuwsbank.nl/inp/2002/12/20/R280.htm
Google translation:
Thony P.A.P.J. van der Sloot (50) is nominated for appointment as alternate member of the Common Court of Justice of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba. Mr. van der Sloot is now working as private secretary to the Attorney General of Aruba. The appointment is effective on
January 1, 2003 for a period of three years.
RVD, 20.12.2002
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You know - just like how those influential politcos from Mountain Brook flew into Aruba like cowboys to find their friend's daughter. |
Say what you want... But what you are saying is not true. Paul van der Sloot was not in a position to sway the political or judicial system of Aruba for himself or his son, to the contrary he was looked at with a much sharper needle. Your suggestion is a big joke and discredits to you as a respected poster on this board and where every else you might leave your mark.
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Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:31 pm |
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Re: How would they have handled Natalee's disappearance wher
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Sorry Prolific, and what do you have to say about the Orlando Police Department? Where is Jennifer Kesse and how long was the person of interest detained?
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Uh, I'd say police first have to identify who the person in the video is before they can detain them. But the person in the video without even determining who they are has now been called a prime suspect. So when they are able to identify the person and he/she is brought in, maybe the two cases can be compared as to how OLE handles his/her detainment.
"Detectives aren't even sure if the person of interest is a man or a woman. They're asking the public to focus less on the person's clothes and more on the body style or hair style. Police even canvassed salons asking workers to pay attention"
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Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:39 pm |
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Re: How would they have handled Natalee's disappearance wher
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Say what you want... But what you are saying is not true. Paul van der Sloot was not in a position to sway the political or judicial system of Aruba for himself or his son, to the contrary he was looked at with a much sharper needle. Your suggestion is a big joke and discredits to you as a respected poster on this board and where every else you might leave your mark. |
Others can Judge for themselves.
It is what it is. Paulus was not just your average run of the mill "civil servant" on Aruba at the time Natalee went missing - last known to be seen with his son. I think that most people would agree that it takes longer to walk on eggshells than to go at the usual clip.....
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Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:40 pm |
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Re: How would they have handled Natalee's disappearance wher
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Uh, I'd say police first have to identify who the person in the video is before they can detain them. But the person in the video without even determining who they are has now been called a prime suspect. So when they are able to identify the person and he/she is brought in, maybe the two cases can be compared as to how OLE handles his/her detainment.
"Detectives aren't even sure if the person of interest is a man or a woman. They're asking the public to focus less on the person's clothes and more on the body style or hair style. Police even canvassed salons asking workers to pay attention" |
Ok... So, no arrests, no detainments, and the person of interest is unknown? Not even the boyfriend? No one in fact was arrested. Yet, her parents haven't accused her of being gang-raped, kidnapped and possibly murdered... And haven't accused the OPD of being corrupt and a coverup? Humm.... I smell balloons that look like space ships.
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Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:43 pm |
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Re: How would they have handled Natalee's disappearance wher
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Others can Judge for themselves.
It is what it is. Paulus was not just your average run of the mill "civil servant" on Aruba at the time Natalee went missing - last known to be seen with his son. I think that most people would agree that it takes longer to walk on eggshells than to go at the usual clip..... |
Others = the people who saw him on TV.... despite what people think of Joran on Aruba... People do not thing of Paul as a person who can get judicial favors... He is actually held stricter to the laws than someone on the beach.
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Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:49 pm |
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Re: How would they have handled Natalee's disappearance wher
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Others = the people who saw him on TV.... despite what people think of Joran on Aruba... People do not thing of Paul as a person who can get judicial favors... He is actually held stricter to the laws than someone on the beach. |
My first post on this thread merely said that he was an influential Dutch official. He was.
So you confirm that he is held to a different standard than others. Okay.
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Re: How would they have handled Natalee's disappearance wher
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My first post on this thread merely said that he was an influential Dutch official. He was.
So you confirm that he is held to a different standard than others. Okay. |
Yes, as a legal law-abiding citizen, he is held to the rule of the law, with eyes on every side..... In the same time... A drug dealing beach bum isn't going to have the same set of law-abiding friends.
You obviously don't have any Dutch friends... They are straight as an arrow.
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| iquitos
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Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:22 pm |
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take away the influential
and stick with the former Dutch Official. You have no idea how influential he was/is or how he used whatever influence he had. You are speculating with no basis.
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| gilligan
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Re: How would they have handled Natalee's disappearance wher
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You obviously don't have any Dutch friends... They are straight as an arrow. |
Now that's a fact, imo. Is there a Dutch word for Jello shots or is it included in vrijen(sp?)?
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Re: How would they have handled Natalee's disappearance wher
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Well, if you're originally from The US, I couldn't disagree more as you're missing the entire middle between bringing them in and going to court.
LE would have brought in the LKPW and questioned them....LE would have been smart enough and/or willing enough to pick up on the inconsistencies between the three stories.....LE would have been smart enough and/or willing enough to see the huge red flag in inconsistent statements between the three no matter how small the inconsistency and continued the questioning, bringing them back in for more questioning.... while LE also went out to try to corroborate LKPW's stories themselves and not just taken the LKPW word for it because they 'seemed' like nice boys, i.e checking video tapes themselves....LE would have been able to figure out themselves that she wasn't brought back to where they said she was. The LKPW would have immediately become POI....they would have gotten attorneys and LE would have gotten search warrants...not given them a 10 day head start..
So who knows by the time court came around what 'evidence' LE would have had.. |
how do you know the aruban cops didn't do all of the above?
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| gilligan
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10 day head start.... is this a fact? Maybe it's just where I live - in Canada - but when I hear dumb shit like that I am pretty sure I am not getting the whole story, nor do I expect to. We're not allowed to appoint ourselves Lead Investigator where we see fit. Due process and all that stuff that comes with democracy.
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| cajun_mali
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Re: How would they have handled Natalee's disappearance wher
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Natalee Holloway did not disappear where I live so I wouldn't know how they might have handled it.
They have done a poor job on Aruba though...if it was a resolution to the case that they were ever seeking. Great job if they were just looking to create confusion to divert from the fact that the last person known to be seen with Natalee was the son of an influential Dutch official at the local prosecutor's office. |
I love how you ignored the question and "misdirected" the thread.
One thumb up!
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