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luvslalom
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| Gregor wrote: |
You're right about one thing. When Natalee disappeared Joran was just a kid.
He simply hadn't been on this earth long enough to have learned how to outsmart investigative agencies from three countries, one of which most of us on this board would like to believe is the best in the world. |
Gregor, I don't read and believe in fairy tales for a long time.
Joran may have been a kid, but he was into the heavy nightlife for months before Natalee went to Aruba. He was sneaking out for months, said Anita herself, and gambling. He had serious relationships at the age of 13 
He couldn't outsmart alone, I agree with that...
With your last sentence do you refer to the FBI who really said nothing about the case? I know there are some who want us to believe they had intimate discussions with FBI regarding all this but do you really believe that? If the FBI were so loose lipped to various posters, they are a discredit to their org. I for one do not believe that any poster here, or any that have been here have any intimate knowledge from FBI. Those that pushed all the secret info have been known to fabricate and have been caught up in it before.
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| Slickster
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Wed Jan 06, 2010 5:15 pm |
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| luvslalom wrote: |
Gregor, I don't read and believe in fairy tales for a long time.
Joran may have been a kid, but he was into the heavy nightlife for months before Natalee went to Aruba. He was sneaking out for months, said Anita herself, and gambling. He had serious relationships at the age of 13
He couldn't outsmart alone, I agree with that...
With your last sentence do you refer to the FBI who really said nothing about the case? I know there are some who want us to believe they had intimate discussions with FBI regarding all this but do you really believe that? If the FBI were so loose lipped to various posters, they are a discredit to their org. I for one do not believe that any poster here, or any that have been here have any intimate knowledge from FBI. Those that pushed all the secret info have been known to fabricate and have been caught up in it before. |
luvvy, your fanaticism is touching!!!
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| Buster
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Wed Jan 06, 2010 5:20 pm |
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| Slickster wrote: |
luvvy, your fanaticism is touching!!!
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I agree and we need more 
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| Gregor
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Wed Jan 06, 2010 7:42 pm |
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| luvslalom wrote: |
Gregor, I don't read and believe in fairy tales for a long time.
Joran may have been a kid, but he was into the heavy nightlife for months before Natalee went to Aruba. He was sneaking out for months, said Anita herself, and gambling. He had serious relationships at the age of 13 :shock:
He couldn't outsmart alone, I agree with that...
With your last sentence do you refer to the FBI who really said nothing about the case? I know there are some who want us to believe they had intimate discussions with FBI regarding all this but do you really believe that? If the FBI were so loose lipped to various posters, they are a discredit to their org. I for one do not believe that any poster here, or any that have been here have any intimate knowledge from FBI. Those that pushed all the secret info have been known to fabricate and have been caught up in it before. |
Sneaking out and gambling don't equate with being a mastermind criminal.
No, I don't believe anyone on this board has a connection with the FBI any more than I believe Joran ran the island of Aruba, but the FBI was involved in the investigation from day one, and the FBI lab analyzed every sample collected as potential evidence. If the FBI had anything concrete, they would have taken it to the state department, and the U.S. government would have been involved on a diplomatic level.
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| Heli
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Wed Jan 06, 2010 7:45 pm |
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| Gregor wrote: |
Sneaking out and gambling don't equate with being a mastermind criminal.
No, I don't believe anyone on this board has a connection with the FBI any more than I believe Joran ran the island of Aruba, but the FBI was involved in the investigation from day one, and the FBI lab analyzed every sample collected as potential evidence. If the FBI had anything concrete, they would have taken it to the state department, and the U.S. government would have been involved on a diplomatic level. |
How refreshing - a rational post well anchored in reality. Bravo, Gregor!!
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Wed Jan 06, 2010 8:54 pm |
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| Heli wrote: |
How refreshing - a rational post well anchored in reality. Bravo, Gregor!! |
Post of the Day!!
Better than the chewing gum analysis. 
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| iquitos
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Wed Jan 06, 2010 9:28 pm |
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if joran was out partying every night
i wonder how he ran into that nice early to bed early to rise bible thumping teetotaler from mountang brook. at the signs of the cross?
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Wed Jan 06, 2010 9:38 pm |
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Re: if joran was out partying every night
| iquitos wrote: | | i wonder how he ran into that nice early to bed early to rise bible thumping teetotaler from mountang brook. at the signs of the cross? |
It was because his mother wasn't home and so it was all her fault that he snuck out and went to Carlos and Charlies.....don't you remember?
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| Heli
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| resigned wrote: |
Post of the Day!!
Better than the chewing gum analysis. |
And certainly better than the snot analysis, eh?
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| K_Meine
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Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:13 am |
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| Gregor wrote: | | K_Meine wrote: |
I'd be very interested as to why you believe this situation was a scam and which side it was perpetrated on.
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First, there's no reason to believe Natalee's disappearance could benefit ALE or the Aruban government, so there's no logical reason to believe any evidence of what happened was ignored or destroyed.
IMO it would be true that there would be no benefit to the aforementioned. However, the opposite effect of harm could have been an influence. A "disappeared" person from the country who equates to > than 70% of tourism certainly must have concerned someone on Aruba.
You're also operating under the assumption that logic was used.
"Aruba" was faced rather quickly with a bad situation whose outcomes were all on the negative side. The attitude of "just wait a few days she'll show up" wasn't quite stance that was necessary for this situation. Yet, in there defense how were they to know. IMO Joran was likely the beneficiary of the lackadaisical attitude of the local authorities.
If her disappearance were an accident, there would be no reason for evidence to be ignored or destroyed.
IMO it was very likely an accident. Unfortunately, for some reason it was determined that "others" wouldn't see it that way and therefore Natalee had to disappear to hide at least a guilty conscience or worse.
If her disappearance were a crime of passion, or opportunity or any spur of the moment occurrence there would be evidence.
True again. However, it is conceivable that the evidence was short lived. Had she expired on the beach as Joran once stated. It would take some time for decomp to ensue. She could have been dead on the beach and dumped in the water within hours and all you'd have to do was rub your hand in the sand and wipe the vessel down with some cleaner and voila. Once the body doesn't show up after a few days there's no case. Had the scene gone down at the VDS residence instead they certainly were afforded more than enough time to straighten up. One of the more ridiculous law enforcements efforts is when they went back to the VDS residence over 700 days later to search for clues and evidence. Let's be realistic. That's beyond pathetic.
The only thing that would account for the lack of evidence would be careful planning, or the fact investigators were looking for evidence of the wrong type of activity.
Please see above
One thing that has always bothered me is the fact the search and rescue trust fund was established so soon after Natalee disappeared, especially since the trust was was established in Alabama while the trustee, Beth, was on Aruba.
Good point. Aruba would have been a better off-shore scenario with definite tax benefits over Bama. That sure wasn't planned in advance.
Why didn't anyone from Alabama even consider the possibility that some island con artist was looking to update his wardrobe with the credit cards belonging to a young, naive American tourist's parents?
It doubtful some two bit thief is going to off Natalee just to take her or her parents credit cards plus I don't recall hearing anyone was missing there credit cards. If that were so then why would Joran do what he said. That's what baffles me. If he were completely detached from this situation. Why would he purposely inject himself into an active investigation that he just so happened to be connected with? It's one thing to say he was with Natalee and they parted ways and he never saw her again. It's another to falsify continuously until something sticks. Something is just not right there.
There are many more reasons which lead me to my conclusion, but I'm sure they'd bore you.
Gregor, I've been bored by many but you are certainly not one of them. Please continue. Thanks.
K
ps. IMO this wasn't a scam because thus far I haven't seen anyone bright enough to pull one off.
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| Knipoog
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Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:31 pm |
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Welcome back.
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| Gregor
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Thu Jan 07, 2010 6:13 pm |
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| K_Meine wrote: |
| Quote: | A "disappeared" person from the country who equates to > than 70% of tourism certainly must have concerned someone on Aruba.
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I'm sure it concerned everyone in the government and the tourist industry.
No one is naive enough to believe there is any place on earth that's absolutely crime free. People prefer tourist destinations which have low crime rates, especially those which can demonstrate solving crimes as quickly as possible is a priority.
| Quote: | | IMO it was very likely an accident. Unfortunately, for some reason it was determined that "others" wouldn't see it that way and therefore Natalee had to disappear to hide at least a guilty conscience or worse. |
There's no need to "cover up" an accident. Everyone knows accidents happen everywhere.
| Quote: | | Had the scene gone down at the VDS residence instead they certainly were afforded more than enough time to straighten up. One of the more ridiculous law enforcements efforts is when they went back to the VDS residence over 700 days later to search for clues and evidence. Let's be realistic. That's beyond pathetic. |
You don't watch enough CSI.
| Quote: | | Aruba would have been a better off-shore scenario with definite tax benefits over Bama. That sure wasn't planned in advance. |
I'm not familiar with Aruba's tax laws, but it doesn't get any better than a tax free trust.
Besides, I'm sure Beth didn't know anyone in any bank in Aruba with the clout that her brother-in-law had in Alabama.
| Quote: | | It doubtful some two bit thief is going to off Natalee just to take her or her parents credit cards plus I don't recall hearing anyone was missing there credit cards. |
Con men don't off anyone to get their credit cards. They give the holder of credit cards a reason to buy them gifts.
Natalee would have been pegged as a teen who had her parents' credit cards. Beth said she didn't, but everyone knows you carry as little cash as you can get by on when you travel.
| Quote: | | IMO this wasn't a scam because thus far I haven't seen anyone bright enough to pull one off. |
What makes you think we've heard of everyone who could have been involved?
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| luvslalom
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Take the poster vs. poster & baiting to the Heated Exchange
Repeated and excessive need for Reminders/Warnings, especially by recent "parolee's" will result on a loss of privileges
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| K_Meine
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A "disappeared" person from the country who equates to > than 70% of tourism certainly must have concerned someone on Aruba.
I'm sure it concerned everyone in the government and the tourist industry. I stated someone not everyone.
No one is naive enough to believe there is any place on earth that's absolutely crime free. People prefer tourist destinations which have low crime rates, especially those which can demonstrate solving crimes as quickly as possible is a priority. I'm still waiting for the Demo.
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IMO it was very likely an accident. Unfortunately, for some reason it was determined that "others" wouldn't see it that way and therefore Natalee had to disappear to hide at least a guilty conscience or worse.
There's no need to "cover up" an accident. Everyone knows accidents happen everywhere. True, but it depends on how the person(s) involved interpret the situation. Natalee could well have perished mostly if not by all self inflicted and/or natural causes while somewhere on Aruba. However, had Joran and Natalee exchanged fluids in some way and the words written that Natalee was "hit" or "injured" somehow might make the involved think twice about just letting her be found. IMHO, it may have been an "accident" but there is more to it than just Natalee simply seizing or whatever really happened. She had to disappear even if it was just for a guilty conscience.
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Had the scene gone down at the VDS residence instead they certainly were afforded more than enough time to straighten up. One of the more ridiculous law enforcements efforts is when they went back to the VDS residence over 700 days later to search for clues and evidence. Let's be realistic. That's beyond pathetic.
You don't watch enough CSI. On the contrary, maybe too much.
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Aruba would have been a better off-shore scenario with definite tax benefits over Bama. That sure wasn't planned in advance.
I'm not familiar with Aruba's tax laws, but it doesn't get any better than a tax free trust.
Besides, I'm sure Beth didn't know anyone in any bank in Aruba with the clout that her brother-in-law had in Alabama.
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It doubtful some two bit thief is going to off Natalee just to take her or her parents credit cards plus I don't recall hearing anyone was missing there credit cards.
Con men don't off anyone to get their credit cards. They give the holder of credit cards a reason to buy them gifts.
Natalee would have been pegged as a teen who had her parents' credit cards. Beth said she didn't, but everyone knows you carry as little cash as you can get by on when you travel.
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IMO this wasn't a scam because thus far I haven't seen anyone bright enough to pull one off.
What makes you think we've heard of everyone who could have been involved? That is an excellent point but still doesn't explain why Joran had to lie his way out something that apparently he wasn't involved in. I just the VDS's had a butler. I'd have picked him for sure........
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Mon Jan 11, 2010 1:11 pm |
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What is a disappeared person?
When did disappeared become an adjective?
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| Knipoog
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Mon Jan 11, 2010 2:09 pm |
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Re: What is a disappeared person?
| cajun_mali wrote: | | When did disappeared become an adjective? |
Artistic freedom of expression. 
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| K_Meine
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Mon Jan 11, 2010 2:24 pm |
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Re: What is a disappeared person?
| Knipoog wrote: |
Artistic freedom of expression. |
Well done. I'm sure you understood the message. 
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| K_Meine
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Mon Jan 11, 2010 2:30 pm |
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Re: What is a disappeared person?
| cajun_mali wrote: | | When did disappeared become an adjective? |
Try these on 
You may have missed the quotes. There's one in every crowd.......... 
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| Knipoog
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Mon Jan 11, 2010 3:56 pm |
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Re: What is a disappeared person?
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Well done. I'm sure you understood the message. |
Oh yes I understood. And I am very perceptive.
But don't worry about it.
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| Slickster
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Mon Jan 11, 2010 9:38 pm |
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Re: What is a disappeared person?
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Try these on
You may have missed the quotes. There's one in every crowd.......... |
I haven't missed any quotes and I am totally appalled by what everyone is putting on Joran when there hasn't been one thing of evidence against him.
The 'Slam Joran Tour' simply has to end!!!
There isn't a skin of evidence.
Give it UP already!!!
Freebird and all of that!!!!!
Let us focus our energies on Mountain Brook Alabamy where the evidence truly lies.
Lies being the keyword.
The grapevine is growing louder, surely someone is going spill soon.
Won't be me, I have too much to lose, sadly.
This is hideousness at it's best.
Roll Tide Twitty!!!
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verb
who disappeared natalee? (medjet vroom vroom.)
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I predict that Joran will still be the last person known to have seen Natalee by the end of any year.
No one has seen or heard from Natalee Ann Holloway since the early morning hours of May 30, 2005.
Joran Van der Sloot claims he just left her "at the beach".
He is a self-confessed liar.
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Tue Jan 12, 2010 3:06 pm |
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I haven't missed any quotes and I am totally appalled by what everyone is putting on Joran when there hasn't been one thing of evidence against him.
The 'Slam Joran Tour' simply has to end!!!
There isn't a skin of evidence.
Give it UP already!!!
Freebird and all of that!!!!!
Let us focus our energies on Mountain Brook Alabamy where the evidence truly lies.
Lies being the keyword.
The grapevine is growing louder, surely someone is going spill soon.
Won't be me, I have too much to lose, sadly.
This is hideousness at it's best.
Roll Tide Twitty!!!
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We must all focus our attention and energies on? Are there new bylaws that I need to sign from the self appointed judges about what we all need to focus our attention and energies on, if not I kinda like to focus on what I choose to focus on, since I haven’t forgotten that for the first four years or so we’ve already ‘focused’ our energies and attentions on nothing but MB, Beth and Natalee being responsible for her own disappearance..
And what happened to those comments about Freedom of Speech being such a good thing here and RU being one that has always allowed ALL opinions? Not so much now or maybe FOS and ALL opinions are only a good thing and only applies when one likes to claim things like they know when a missing girl's cherry popped?
It's ok Slick, I think the 'HMI'ers and 'monkeys' get the picture loud and clear.. …it's a court of law and no discussing that boy, ( the not really a suspect, suspect ) unless evidence can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt in this court of law, IUPG must always prevail..…got it...hideous, appaling and all that..
It’s all yours….no one is stopping you, no one has ever stopped you….so go ahead and post it...post it all, post all of your e-v-i-d-e-n-c-e all about TT‘s and MBers guilt….
Post it…post it all…post all of your evidence…what are you waiting for... ain’t no one stopping you...or is there something special that everyone needs to know about you that everyone must just ‘trust’ you, winky-wink?
Go ahead, nail that POS, nothing but a vindictive animal Beth, Thomas Twitty and the rest of those lying slimy asses from Alabammy and put them away for good..
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| K_Meine
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Re: What is a disappeared person?
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I haven't missed any quotes and I am totally appalled by what everyone is putting on Joran when there hasn't been one thing of evidence against him.
The 'Slam Joran Tour' simply has to end!!!
There isn't a skin of evidence.
Give it UP already!!!
Freebird and all of that!!!!!
Let us focus our energies on Mountain Brook Alabamy where the evidence truly lies.
Lies being the keyword.
The grapevine is growing louder, surely someone is going spill soon.
Won't be me, I have too much to lose, sadly.
This is hideousness at it's best.
Roll Tide Twitty!!!
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Maybe Slick knows something we don't. What truly irks me is we may never find out. It rarely gets mentioned that Joran orchestrated a massive misinformation campaign of his own and it is those many distractions that caused this investigation to be so one sided. IMHO, Joran's various offerings lean more on the side of suspicion than they do any other reason.
The truth is had Joran's FIRST story of his time with Natalee washed out and no further words were spoken. The "authorities" may have had reason to look beyond him. Obviously, Joran gave them enough data to make him the main suspect for most if not all of the investigation. If he's completely innocent of any wrongdoing in this case then he certainly did himself and his former homeland a disservice. IF the answers are actually in Mountain Brook then why would a completely innocent person take the fall?
ps. Slick, unless your first or last name is Slickster. Feel free to share all the information you want as you may be the only person from the MB area still remotely interested in this case so you'll never be detected.
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