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K_Meine
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Mon Feb 01, 2010 1:48 pm |
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| cajun_mali wrote: |
Cute ... but fake? REALLLLLY?
Lots of people seem to think he did something to Natalee, but opinion isn't fact. |
If facts were collected and available this discussion board wouldn't exist. The time for facts has come and gone so now we opine.
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| cajun_mali
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Mon Feb 01, 2010 1:58 pm |
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| K_Meine wrote: |
If facts were collected and available this discussion board wouldn't exist. The time for facts has come and gone so now we opine. |
And I gave my opinion. This is a discussion board. I've gotten that often, when I just express my opinion. I guess I'm not allowed.
I do disagree, I think we know all the evidence based on fact, and it none shows anyone doing anything to Natalee.
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| K_Meine
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| cajun_mali wrote: |
And I gave my opinion. This is a discussion board. I've gotten that often, when I just express my opinion. I guess I'm not allowed.
I do disagree, I think we know all the evidence based on fact, and it none shows anyone doing anything to Natalee. |
AFAIC C_M you are allowed to do whatever you want to do but if you've come here to be revered and agreed with 100% of the time I fear you may end up disappointed. JMJ if we all thought the same way the world and this DBoard would be a dull place indeed.
If the general public is aware of all the evidence in this case then it perpetuates the idea that the ALE is incompetent for yet another lapse in duty. ANYONE who doesn't want to get caught could cover up a crime if given the same amount of time these boys had. Mix it with the ability to lie as a defense after the fact and you've got a big goose egg of a case. Just imagine if nobody verified Natalee was in the car with Joran in the first place. I'm sure Joran wouldn't have volunteered that information. IMO there was way to much shenanigans going on there for those boys to be totally uninformed. The long hand of the law doesn't reach everyone.
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| Knipoog
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Tue Feb 02, 2010 5:06 pm |
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| K_Meine wrote: |
AFAIC C_M you are allowed to do whatever you want to do but if you've come here to be revered and agreed with 100% of the time I fear you may end up disappointed. JMJ if we all thought the same way the world and this DBoard would be a dull place indeed.
If the general public is aware of all the evidence in this case then it perpetuates the idea that the ALE is incompetent for yet another lapse in duty. ANYONE who doesn't want to get caught could cover up a crime if given the same amount of time these boys had. Mix it with the ability to lie as a defense after the fact and you've got a big goose egg of a case. Just imagine if nobody verified Natalee was in the car with Joran in the first place. I'm sure Joran wouldn't have volunteered that information. IMO there was way to much shenanigans going on there for those boys to be totally uninformed. The long hand of the law doesn't reach everyone. |
Three in one would save two clicks and some time. Basically the same posts.
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| Buster
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Tue Feb 02, 2010 5:52 pm |
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| K_Meine wrote: |
The long hand of the law doesn't reach everyone. |
I think it was "long fingers" in the case of Jug and yes if those are involved justice goes out of the window.
Actually I'm really interested where those "long fingers" of Jug have been and maybe some investigation in the little MB Kingdom could provide some answers.
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| cajun_mali
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Tue Feb 02, 2010 8:25 pm |
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| K_Meine wrote: |
AFAIC C_M you are allowed to do whatever you want to do but if you've come here to be revered and agreed with 100% of the time I fear you may end up disappointed. JMJ if we all thought the same way the world and this DBoard would be a dull place indeed.
If the general public is aware of all the evidence in this case then it perpetuates the idea that the ALE is incompetent for yet another lapse in duty. ANYONE who doesn't want to get caught could cover up a crime if given the same amount of time these boys had. Mix it with the ability to lie as a defense after the fact and you've got a big goose egg of a case. Just imagine if nobody verified Natalee was in the car with Joran in the first place. I'm sure Joran wouldn't have volunteered that information. IMO there was way to much shenanigans going on there for those boys to be totally uninformed. The long hand of the law doesn't reach everyone. |
Just imagine if someone verified 2k dropped Natalee and Joran off at the beach. Then it would be reasonable to point your accusing finger at Joran alone. I don't think I've said Joran didn't have anything to do with Natalee's disappearance. I have the honesty to admit I don't know and I won't make accusations without fact. In my opinion the lack of evidence points away from joran doing anything to Natalee. Call me a Joran love if you like.
I haven't had a chance to see the video where the tape was cut off after Dompig said 3 days. It's not like this .... hasn't been filled with tapes cut off to show whatever was wanted to be shown. Strangely, they've all been aimed at j2k.
If professional interrogators couldn't get a 17 year old boy to confess to something, anything, in 3 months under detention .... well, someone said he's either innocent or a criminal genius, and he ain't no genius.
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| Linda in L.A.
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| cajun_mali wrote: |
Just imagine if someone verified 2k dropped Natalee and Joran off at the beach. Then it would be reasonable to point your accusing finger at Joran alone. I don't think I've said Joran didn't have anything to do with Natalee's disappearance. I have the honesty to admit I don't know and I won't make accusations without fact. In my opinion the lack of evidence points away from joran doing anything to Natalee. Call me a Joran love if you like.
I haven't had a chance to see the video where the tape was cut off after Dompig said 3 days. It's not like this .... hasn't been filled with tapes cut off to show whatever was wanted to be shown. Strangely, they've all been aimed at j2k.
If professional interrogators couldn't get a 17 year old boy to confess to something, anything, in 3 months under detention .... well, someone said he's either innocent or a criminal genius, and he ain't no genius. |
Possibly...or its also possible he knew there was no evidence left behind so no reason to admit to anything. I agree cajun...there is no legal evidence that Joran is guilty of doing harm to Natalee. That doesn't mean he not guilty of a crime...doesn't mean he is. I guess that's why we are all here after so many years still posting our opinions.
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| cajun_mali
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| Linda in L.A. wrote: |
Possibly...or its also possible he knew there was no evidence left behind so no reason to admit to anything. I agree cajun...there is no legal evidence that Joran is guilty of doing harm to Natalee. That doesn't mean he not guilty of a crime...doesn't mean he is. I guess that's why we are all here after so many years still posting our opinions. |
None of us knows much. After C&C, it's j2k's stories and some unclear statements from the other grads.
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| K_Meine
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Wed Feb 03, 2010 5:21 pm |
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| cajun_mali wrote: |
Just imagine if someone verified 2k dropped Natalee and Joran off at the beach. Then it would be reasonable to point your accusing finger at Joran alone. I don't think I've said Joran didn't have anything to do with Natalee's disappearance. I have the honesty to admit I don't know and I won't make accusations without fact. In my opinion the lack of evidence points away from joran doing anything to Natalee. Call me a Joran love if you like.
I haven't had a chance to see the video where the tape was cut off after Dompig said 3 days. It's not like this .... hasn't been filled with tapes cut off to show whatever was wanted to be shown. Strangely, they've all been aimed at j2k.
If professional interrogators couldn't get a 17 year old boy to confess to something, anything, in 3 months under detention .... well, someone said he's either innocent or a criminal genius, and he ain't no genius. |
My accusing finger? That's funny  . I'd say I lean more on agreeing with what Joran he himself has provided versus being accusatory for no reason. I have the honesty to admit I don't know and I will make accusations based on Joran's words and behaviors. In my opinion the lack of finding Natalee's body after he said he arranged to have it dumped at sea point unquestionably back in Joran's direction.
You really should check out the video. Once you comes to understand that Dompig and his associates allowed a three day head start on this whole caper. You'll unlikely question why there would be any evidence to be found. I'm fairly certain even I could hide a body under similar circumstances. Add access to a boat and a massive body of water and it's done. The only drawback is I have a moral compass and Joran does not.
AFAIC, I think J2K all got grouped together at the beginning and the separation has been slow. Unfortunately their actions were suspicious as well and the stories didn't match well either.
Knowing Natalee's body wasn't going to be found only fortified his stance of not telling on himself. As far as the interrogators go, Aruba is no Gitmo so I wouldn't overestimate the prowess of the interrogators especially if they were cut from the same cloth as the clowns who let Joran and 2K wander unhindered for three days while they did house cleaning and such. I also think Joran's "state of mind" would be an advantage in the questioning process. We also have to realize we have no idea what he said during those sessions and without a body it would just as easy to look the other way and not cause more trouble. No?
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| cajun_mali
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Thu Feb 04, 2010 5:41 am |
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| K_Meine wrote: |
My accusing finger? That's funny . I'd say I lean more on agreeing with what Joran he himself has provided versus being accusatory for no reason. I have the honesty to admit I don't know and I will make accusations based on Joran's words and behaviors. In my opinion the lack of finding Natalee's body after he said he arranged to have it dumped at sea point unquestionably back in Joran's direction.
You really should check out the video. Once you comes to understand that Dompig and his associates allowed a three day head start on this whole caper. You'll unlikely question why there would be any evidence to be found. I'm fairly certain even I could hide a body under similar circumstances. Add access to a boat and a massive body of water and it's done. The only drawback is I have a moral compass and Joran does not.
AFAIC, I think J2K all got grouped together at the beginning and the separation has been slow. Unfortunately their actions were suspicious as well and the stories didn't match well either.
Knowing Natalee's body wasn't going to be found only fortified his stance of not telling on himself. As far as the interrogators go, Aruba is no Gitmo so I wouldn't overestimate the prowess of the interrogators especially if they were cut from the same cloth as the clowns who let Joran and 2K wander unhindered for three days while they did house cleaning and such. I also think Joran's "state of mind" would be an advantage in the questioning process. We also have to realize we have no idea what he said during those sessions and without a body it would just as easy to look the other way and not cause more trouble. No? |
House cleaning? How do YOU know what j2k did in those magical 3 days? Oh! Wait! D cleaned his car! Somehow he missed a blood/chocolate stain. Not much of a cleaner.
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| K_Meine
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Thu Feb 04, 2010 10:12 am |
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| cajun_mali wrote: |
House cleaning? How do YOU know what j2k did in those magical 3 days? Oh! Wait! D cleaned his car! Somehow he missed a blood/chocolate stain. Not much of a cleaner. |
I don't know what they did but I'd be willing to bet it had something to do with Natalee never being seen again. Maybe it's just me but I find it highly suspicious that Deepak would hose out his car and use bleach in the wee hours of the morning following Natalee's disappearance. Goodbye to yet another evidence opportunity. Not much of a cleaner? I don't think he had the greatest models to learn from. Everybody lies you know.
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| cajun_mali
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I don't know what they did but I'd be willing to bet it had something to do with Natalee never being seen again. Maybe it's just me but I find it highly suspicious that Deepak would hose out his car and use bleach in the wee hours of the morning following Natalee's disappearance. Goodbye to yet another evidence opportunity. Not much of a cleaner? I don't think he had the greatest models to learn from. Everybody lies you know. |
bleach? got a source? hose the interior?
I don't think Dompig lies. Do you?
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| K_Meine
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Thu Feb 04, 2010 3:22 pm |
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| cajun_mali wrote: |
bleach? got a source? hose the interior?
I don't think Dompig lies. Do you? |
Here you go:
| Quote: | First, there were no searches conducted by the Aruban police of the suspects’ cars or homes for 10 days following Holloway’s disappearance. Deepak was seen by neighbors cleaning his car at 4 a.m. on the night of her disappearance with a substance that was later determined to be bleach (he initially testified that he was removing sand from the car, and later changed his story to say that he was getting rid of ants).
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source: http://www.bwcitypaper.com/Articles-i-2007-05-17-193530.112112_Naked_Birmingham.html
When are you going to come to grips with the fact that EVERYONE lies and before you ultimately ask, sure, I've lied before. Don't you recall Deepak's mom reminding us of that? IMO Dompig is one of the few who truly wanted to solve this case but knew he either couldn't or wasn't allowed. Once the media shit storm hit Aruba it became painfully clear that Natalee's disappearance and probable murder would be bad on too many levels so they played the let's hope it goes away card.
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| Knipoog
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source: http://www.bwcitypaper.com/Articles-i-2007-05-17-193530.112112_Naked_Birmingham.html
Good source. But now I am lying. 
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| Slickster
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| K_Meine wrote: |
source: http://www.bwcitypaper.com/Articles-i-2007-05-17-193530.112112_Naked_Birmingham.html
When are you going to come to grips with the fact that EVERYONE lies and before you ultimately ask, sure, I've lied before. Don't you recall Deepak's mom reminding us of that? IMO Dompig is one of the few who truly wanted to solve this case but knew he either couldn't or wasn't allowed. Once the media shit storm hit Aruba it became painfully clear that Natalee's disappearance and probable murder would be bad on too many levels so they played the let's hope it goes away card. |
Dompig was one of many who wanted to solve this case.
He couldn't do his job thanks to Beth, FBI and some more idiots.
Dompig left, with a closet FULL of threats......
He talks a bit about it in RG's documentary.
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| cajun_mali
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| K_Meine wrote: |
source: http://www.bwcitypaper.com/Articles-i-2007-05-17-193530.112112_Naked_Birmingham.html
When are you going to come to grips with the fact that EVERYONE lies and before you ultimately ask, sure, I've lied before. Don't you recall Deepak's mom reminding us of that? IMO Dompig is one of the few who truly wanted to solve this case but knew he either couldn't or wasn't allowed. Once the media shit storm hit Aruba it became painfully clear that Natalee's disappearance and probable murder would be bad on too many levels so they played the let's hope it goes away card. |
As often as we have questioned the accuracy of newspaper articles ... how do we find the source of this particular "fact". There's a little tab, write the author. You brought it up. Write him and ask his source. Ask if he ever went to Aruba.
All Arubans wanted this solved, possibly less a few involved in some event that MIGHT have occurred.
Have you googled "deepak bleach aruba car" or "kalpoe bleach aruba car"? The things you try to pull on me!
http://noevidenceofacrime.com/chapter22.php?blog=33&order=ASC&posts=1&page=1&paged=20
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| Glenda
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Thu Feb 04, 2010 4:59 pm |
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| cajun_mali wrote: |
As often as we have questioned the accuracy of newspaper articles ... how do we find the source of this particular "fact". There's a little tab, write the author. You brought it up. Write him and ask his source. Ask if he ever went to Aruba.
All Arubans wanted this solved, possibly less a few involved in some event that MIGHT have occurred.
Have you googled "deepak bleach aruba car" or "kalpoe bleach aruba car"? The things you try to pull on me!
http://noevidenceofacrime.com/chapter22.php?blog=33&order=ASC&posts=1&page=1&paged=20 |
The guy was in Aruba, I have pictures. But in the same time, he is FOS... I'm sure he know that already.
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| K_Meine
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The guy was in Aruba, I have pictures. But in the same time, he is FOS... I'm sure he know that already. |
If you and CM have More reliable sources of information than by all means share it. Otherwise, I'm reading the same tainted offerings you are.
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| INK
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cajun mali wrote, in part:
If professional interrogators couldn't get a 17 year old boy to confess to something, anything, in 3 months under detention .... well, someone said he's either innocent or a criminal genius, and he ain't no genius.
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That's such a good point. Not only did he not confess under what would have been an extremely stressful interrogation, even when the tape (or video, I've forgotten) were rolling,(unbeknownst to J2K) he and 2K didn't implicate themselves at all. I've always thought he dropped off a girl he considered to be a drunken PIA, possibly on a beach near her hotel, then went home and was later embarrassed/ashamed at his cavalier treatment of her and that's why he initially lied.
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| Linda in L.A.
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| INK wrote: | cajun mali wrote, in part:
If professional interrogators couldn't get a 17 year old boy to confess to something, anything, in 3 months under detention .... well, someone said he's either innocent or a criminal genius, and he ain't no genius.
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That's such a good point. Not only did he not confess under what would have been an extremely stressful interrogation, even when the tape (or video, I've forgotten) were rolling,(unbeknownst to J2K) he and 2K didn't implicate themselves at all. I've always thought he dropped off a girl he considered to be a drunken PIA, possibly on a beach near her hotel, then went home and was later embarrassed/ashamed at his cavalier treatment of her and that's why he initially lied. |
INK...its not a good point in my opinion anyway. If Joran knew for a fact no one was ever going to find Natalee...what incentive would he have to confess? Think about it. Maybe in his mind, here he was with this girl, she had a seizure, died and he had someone get rid of the body. If he felt secure she wouldn't be found...again...why break down?
As for he and K2 not implicating themselves...they discussed their story beforehand. Not only the night Beth went to Joran's home...but then discussed things with Paul afterwards.
If Joran was simply embarrassed/ashamed of his behavior I can see why he would initially lie to his parents...but c'mon now. The girls parents and the police are there...she is missing...and you honestly think Joran and K2 were embarrassed? And what would K2 have to be embarrassed about?
But you do make one point I'd like you to think about. Your post above says..."and that's why he initially lied". Ok...even if I were to buy into that (which I don't). What's the reason he has continued to lie?
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| Gregor
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| Linda in L.A. wrote: |
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Your post above says..."and that's why he [Joran] initially lied". Ok...even if I were to buy into that (which I don't). What's the reason he has continued to lie? |
It's simply the nature of lying. One lie begets another until the liar finally backs himself into a corner. Since Joran hasn't done that in almost five years, it seems unlikely he ever will.
Like it or not, every word out of Joran's mouth hasn't been a lie.
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| Linda in L.A.
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| Gregor wrote: |
It's simply the nature of lying. One lie begets another until the liar finally backs himself into a corner. Since Joran hasn't done that in almost five years, it seems unlikely he ever will.
Like it or not, every word out of Joran's mouth hasn't been a lie. |
Oh I totally agree with you Gregor. Now...which stories were truth and which were lies? Or closer...which parts were true and which were lies? In my opinion he HAS backed himself into a corner...more than once...but has been allowed to walk right out of that corner simply by saying "I lied"
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| Buster
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| Linda in L.A. wrote: |
Now...which stories were truth and which were lies? |
Well from what I've seen in my limited time here you usually only believe the stories that suit your agenda.
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| Linda in L.A.
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| Linda in L.A.
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| Buster wrote: |
Well from what I've seen in my limited time here you usually only believe the stories that suit your agenda. |
Well from what I've seen in my limited time here Buster...you usually only post nastiness to any poster who doesn't agree with you. Funny how that works isn't it?
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