Nope ! (Gotta keep those statistic looowwww for tourism $$$$$)
No I am not surprised. First of all VisitAruba co. is a private initiative and
has nothing to do with the departement of tourisme or any other part of the government.
"VisitAruba.com first went online in 1997, one of the first Aruba tourism websites available on the Internet. It was the brainchild of Daphne Cesareo-Lejuez and Mark Cesareo, owners of CaribMedia, the first Aruba web design company solely dedicated to Internet-related services."
It seems they are not always up to date and/or factual with this kind of info about missing people in Aruba.
Family Labouovic
Last Known Location: Northern Bahamas for a "cruise" of the islands on August 16th 2001
Amy Lynn Bradley
Amy disappeared during the docking process in Curacao. Suspected Location: Unknown.
You are jumping to conclusions without factual knowledge.
But hey it's never too l8 to learn.
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resignedPosted:
Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:35 pm
Hannie wrote:
What's with you guys that you're all so obsessed with what happens on Aruba besides Natalee? I think your own backyard and country has more than its share of crime and missing persons, so why all the energy for another country?
If you guys would take all that energy instead, to help your own country's crime and missing persons, which happen to be the most of the whole universe, maybe it makes a huge difference...wouldn't that be a great feeling?
No, not really. I like reading about Aruba and seeing all the familiar names over and over and over again. It's kind of like all that time and energy you put in American cases. To each their own...
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HanniePosted:
Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:40 pm
It's hardly the same, and I'm aware you know that.
A little Island which most of you didn't knew ever existed or knew where to find on a map, is now suddenly the most important besides the USA, GMAFB...
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resignedPosted:
Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:42 pm
Knipoog wrote:
AlwaysL8 wrote:
Are we surprised ??
Nope ! (Gotta keep those statistic looowwww for tourism $$$$$)
No I am not surprised. First of all VisitAruba co. is a private initiative and
has nothing to do with the departement of tourisme or any other part of the government.
"VisitAruba.com first went online in 1997, one of the first Aruba tourism websites available on the Internet. It was the brainchild of Daphne Cesareo-Lejuez and Mark Cesareo, owners of CaribMedia, the first Aruba web design company solely dedicated to Internet-related services."
It seems they are not always up to date and/or factual with this kind of info about missing people in Aruba.
Family Labouovic
Last Known Location: Northern Bahamas for a "cruise" of the islands on August 16th 2001
Amy Lynn Bradley
Amy disappeared during the docking process in Curacao. Suspected Location: Unknown.
You are jumping to conclusions without factual knowledge.
But hey it's never too l8 to learn.
WHAT??? I am shocked!! You mean that Natalee may not have had a freckle on her elbow the size of Columbia that could be seen from the CA lighthouse no matter where anyone else was on the island?....or that Megan Twitty didn't really submit that herself....Oh Nooooooo....say it ain't so. Why hasn't anyone mentioned this before??.....like back in the photoshop conspiracy threads? This must be breaking news....shocked - I tell ya..I'm shocked.
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KnipoogPosted:
Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:00 pm
You are shocked that easily?
Oh my.
Good thing you are not in Haiti.
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resignedPosted:
Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:28 pm
Knipoog wrote:
You are shocked that easily?
Oh my.
Good thing you are not in Haiti.
Nice stuff.
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KnipoogPosted:
Sat Jan 16, 2010 12:00 pm
Exaggerate:
. to think, speak, or write of as greater than is really so; ...
to heap up, overstate: exaggerate the size of the enemy.
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resignedPosted:
Sat Jan 16, 2010 12:25 pm
two-faced (tfst)
adj.
1. Having two faces or surfaces.
2. Hypocritical or double-dealing; deceitful.
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SlicksterPosted:
Sat Jan 16, 2010 12:39 pm
resigned wrote:
two-faced (tfst)
adj.
1. Having two faces or surfaces.
2. Hypocritical or double-dealing; deceitful.
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FashionistaPosted:
Sat Jan 16, 2010 12:49 pm
Take the one liners meant to antagonize
baiting
snarkiness
derailing
elsewhere
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KnipoogPosted:
Sat Jan 16, 2010 12:51 pm
A scale, a sword and a blindfold.
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resignedPosted:
Sat Jan 16, 2010 1:27 pm
I believe it was reported that Mr. Herrara walked out of the psych ward from Oduber Hospital - I wonder if his family feel that more could have been done to either prevent that from happening or enlisiting help in searching for him in the first hours/days of his disappearance.
Did anyone even notice that he left?
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resignedPosted:
Sat Jan 16, 2010 1:37 pm
Fashionista wrote:
Take the one liners meant to antagonize
baiting
snarkiness
derailing
elsewhere
Sorry, Fash. I will try to do better, although it is sometimes akin to telling Elvis to sing but not move his hips.
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FashionistaPosted:
Sat Jan 16, 2010 2:09 pm
resigned wrote:
Sorry, Fash. I will try to do better, although it is sometimes akin to telling Elvis to sing but not move his hips.
Much appreciated!
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HeliPosted:
Sat Jan 16, 2010 3:51 pm
Most persons in a psych ward are there voluntarily and not as a result of being legally committed there.
Therefore, one can leave at any time and the hospital staff bears no responsibility to notify, track or report that person as missing to any legal authority. Adults are free to come and go as they please, even those hospitalized for psychiatric or other medical issues. No one can compel that person to receive treatment of any kind.
ALE aren't the guardian angels of all who walk on Aruba.
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resignedPosted:
Sat Jan 16, 2010 4:48 pm
Heli wrote:
Most persons in a psych ward are there voluntarily and not as a result of being legally committed there.
Therefore, one can leave at any time and the hospital staff bears no responsibility to notify, track or report that person as missing to any legal authority. Adults are free to come and go as they please, even those hospitalized for psychiatric or other medical issues. No one can compel that person to receive treatment of any kind.
ALE aren't the guardian angels of all who walk on Aruba.
But that wasn't the case with Mr. Herrara based on Aruban media reports.
I wouldn't imagine that any LE are the guardian angels for everyone that walks within that country - but they do have a responsibility to actually investigate when someone is reported missing.
The poor man was reported to have been depressed and emaciated when he "wandered off" - I guess no one noticed except the people that noticed that much.
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iquitosPosted:
Sat Jan 16, 2010 5:39 pm
resigned wrote:
I believe it was reported that Mr. Herrara walked out of the psych ward from Oduber Hospital - I wonder if his family feel that more could have been done to either prevent that from happening or enlisiting help in searching for him in the first hours/days of his disappearance.
Did anyone even notice that he left?
i guess they could have handcuffed him to his bed.
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resignedPosted:
Sat Jan 16, 2010 5:44 pm
iquitos wrote:
i guess they could have handcuffed him to his bed.
Or put a surveillance camera at an entrance/exit. I guess they only use them to take pictures of people at the beach to wave back home.
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cajun_maliPosted:
Sun Jan 17, 2010 8:42 pm
resigned wrote:
Or put a surveillance camera at an entrance/exit. I guess they only use them to take pictures of people at the beach to wave back home.
Okay, you'd know when he left.
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resignedPosted:
Sun Jan 17, 2010 9:52 pm
cajun_mali wrote:
Okay, you'd know when he left.
I think his psychiatric condition posed a threat to himself and others and he should have been monitored more closely instead of the Holiday Inn Sunspree check in/check out any time ya like resort atomosphere that some feel he was entitled to enjoy.
But hey - it's Aruba - everyone's happy ~ until a body turns up.
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cajun_maliPosted:
Tue Jan 19, 2010 10:34 am
resigned wrote:
I think his psychiatric condition posed a threat to himself and others and he should have been monitored more closely instead of the Holiday Inn Sunspree check in/check out any time ya like resort atomosphere that some feel he was entitled to enjoy.
But hey - it's Aruba - everyone's happy ~ until a body turns up.
I was just following your suggestion.
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luvslalomPosted:
Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:30 pm
Heli wrote:
Most persons in a psych ward are there voluntarily and not as a result of being legally committed there.
Therefore, one can leave at any time and the hospital staff bears no responsibility to notify, track or report that person as missing to any legal authority. Adults are free to come and go as they please, even those hospitalized for psychiatric or other medical issues. No one can compel that person to receive treatment of any kind.
ALE aren't the guardian angels of all who walk on Aruba.
That may be possible in eastern Canada and other areas but not so in the west.
We are responsible whether the patient is Certified or not. If the patient is Certified and he/she escapes we search and hospital security does a search and the local Police are called as well. Police are called first. If the patient is merely a flight risk, we search, hospital security searches and family are notified. If the patient doesn't connect with family, Police are still called. We are still responsible for their safety, as it seems Canadians have learned to sue very quickly also.
The fact that unstable persons who are flight risks, have either Security guards at their doors, or a nursing attendant means they are not free to come and go as they like. While under a Doctors care, and even if they are well enough to think and act on their own, must still have permission for a pass from the hospital if still under some treatment.
According to articles about Herrara's condition, he was deeply troubled, and those by our western standards would be Certified.
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BusterPosted:
Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:24 pm
luvslalom wrote:
That may be possible in eastern Canada and other areas but not so in the west.
Thanks very interesting how they deal with nutters in western Canada, very responsible and humane, I suspect they get an internet connection too, but what has it to do with Natalee Holloway?
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resignedPosted:
Thu Jan 21, 2010 9:06 pm
Buster wrote:
Thanks very interesting how they deal with nutters in western Canada, very responsible and humane, I suspect they get an internet connection too, but what has it to do with Natalee Holloway?
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luvslalomPosted:
Thu Jan 21, 2010 9:20 pm
Buster wrote:
Thanks very interesting how they deal with nutters in western Canada, very responsible and humane, I suspect they get an internet connection too, but what has it to do with Natalee Holloway?
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Reaver Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:55 pm
Human remains found at Sabana Liber (Aruba)
At Sabana Liber a group of persons that were hunting for iguanas stumbled upon human remains. It look like the ones that discovered the human remains took the skull to the police station. The police immediately alarmed the highest authorities and started an investigation. Some families of long missed persons came to the address and talked to the police to check if it was their missing family member. It is still unkown who this person is.
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