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Natalee Holloway: Lost In Paradise - TLC
Natalee Holloway: Lost in Paradise
TV-14 (DV)
Natalee Holloway's story is every parent's worst nightmare - the sudden and tragic disappearance of a child. Natalee's mother, Beth, has been searching for four years and may have finally found her answer from the least likely source ... the main suspect.
http://tlc.discovery.com/tv-schedules/special.html?paid=2.1213.56293.0.0
with....Beth, Vivien Yielding, Carol Standifer, Ben Burrough, Julia Renfro  , Gerold Dompig, Charles Croes ....
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after the arrest of the three suspects, Joran's mother "Anita began to plead his case....."
Beth: I don't think that Anita had a clue.
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Good show. Very balanced in showing both "sides" (for lack of a better word) IMO ~ but with the balance it is also evident that Joran knows what happened to Natalee and that the ALE failed miserably in the early days of the investigation- whether it was a bad tactical decision or the influence of Paulus's position working for the OM or just the belief that Natalee had extended her stay and would probably turn up....in hindsight - it most likely is the reason that this case remains open.
Beth was right all along- no wonder some stay so pissed with her - an unsolved case will remain a dark cloud over Aruba for a long time - Aruba knows that and with no legal resolution likely anytime soon - they have to take their anger out at someone.
I chuckled when it got to the point that Beth starting talking to the media - she said something to the effect - I'd have talked to the devil if I thought it would help.  At least she was being honest.
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| iquitos
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how much ya think
she netted on this one?
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Re: how much ya think
| iquitos wrote: | | she netted on this one? |
Maybe Julia Renfro would know how much, if anything, the participants were paid- she got almost as much air time.
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Mon Jan 18, 2010 4:53 am |
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I was very critical of Beth in the beginning. I couldn't stand her, but nearly five years later with the benefit of hindsight, I don't feel the same about her. She was right. Joran knew more than what he said.
I have actually wondered whether the reading of the tossed out statements relating to the gangraping and murder were said for the purpose of bringing out the truth (not that I agree or think that the truth should be brought that way) but when you are a parent with a missing child, you're running on emotions not logic. Perhaps she thought that by making those statements, that Joran might say, wait, wait ... that's not what happened. I'll tell you what happened. It is another reason that I do not believe that the Kalpoes know anything other than that they dropped them off at the Marriott beach.
The continuing hate toward Beth and the Twittys is at this point very interesting.
It's a dead case, and it will never be solved. As another poster once opined, she was dead before the break of dawn on that fateful morning. I think so too.
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Mon Jan 18, 2010 5:34 am |
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1. There is a real life case of a missing girl and virtually no evidence to allow a reasonable conclusion as to what happened to her.
2. There is a Hollywood movie.
... and ne'er the twain shall meet.
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| yankee-in-france wrote: | I was very critical of Beth in the beginning. I couldn't stand her, but nearly five years later with the benefit of hindsight, I don't feel the same about her. She was right. Joran knew more than what he said.
I have actually wondered whether the reading of the tossed out statements relating to the gangraping and murder were said for the purpose of bringing out the truth (not that I agree or think that the truth should be brought that way) but when you are a parent with a missing child, you're running on emotions not logic. Perhaps she thought that by making those statements, that Joran might say, wait, wait ... that's not what happened. I'll tell you what happened. It is another reason that I do not believe that the Kalpoes know anything other than that they dropped them off at the Marriott beach.
The continuing hate toward Beth and the Twittys is at this point very interesting.
It's a dead case, and it will never be solved. As another poster once opined, she was dead before the break of dawn on that fateful morning. I think so too. |
Do you have a list of posters here who hate Beth? Is there a difference between hating Beth and anger at her efforts to manufacture false evidence?
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Mon Jan 18, 2010 9:08 am |
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Appears to be quite a lavish house she had built in 2009. It was a brief transient comment by the narrator with an even briefer shot of the place at the very end of the program.
I always wonder whether Dave declines offers to participate in these media moments or whether he's simply never asked because he's not "sexy" enough for TV, i.e. has no polarizing effect hence no impact on viewership or ratings.
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| yankee-in-france wrote: | I was very critical of Beth in the beginning. I couldn't stand her, but nearly five years later with the benefit of hindsight, I don't feel the same about her. She was right. Joran knew more than what he said.
I have actually wondered whether the reading of the tossed out statements relating to the gangraping and murder were said for the purpose of bringing out the truth (not that I agree or think that the truth should be brought that way) but when you are a parent with a missing child, you're running on emotions not logic. Perhaps she thought that by making those statements, that Joran might say, wait, wait ... that's not what happened. I'll tell you what happened. It is another reason that I do not believe that the Kalpoes know anything other than that they dropped them off at the Marriott beach.
The continuing hate toward Beth and the Twittys is at this point very interesting.
It's a dead case, and it will never be solved. As another poster once opined, she was dead before the break of dawn on that fateful morning. I think so too. |
Couldn't agree more......not necessarily about the statements but definitely with the bolded...
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Mon Jan 18, 2010 11:47 am |
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| cajun_mali wrote: |
Do you have a list of posters here who hate Beth? Is there a difference between hating Beth and anger at her efforts to manufacture false evidence? |
No list, just read the posts.
The hate and anger seem to go together. I am not aware that she has manufactured false evidence.
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Mon Jan 18, 2010 12:19 pm |
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| yankee-in-france wrote: |
No list, just read the posts.
The hate and anger seem to go together. I am not aware that she has manufactured false evidence. |
She certainly supported the Dr P report. I think she said she'd seen the Skeeters' version and it matched.
I certainly don't hate Beth, and I don't think I'm even angry at her. But I am angry about her actions.
Beth started manufacturing "proof" when she waved around her notebook.
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| cajun_mali wrote: |
She certainly supported the Dr P report. I think she said she'd seen the Skeeters' version and it matched.
I certainly don't hate Beth, and I don't think I'm even angry at her. But I am angry about her actions.
Beth started manufacturing "proof" when she waved around her notebook. |
Beth was a very desperate woman and believed anything that she was being told. She clung to anything that was a glimmer of hope that Natalee may be alive. Manufactured? LMAO
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| plhtx1 wrote: |
Beth was a very desperate woman and believed anything that she was being told. She clung to anything that was a glimmer of hope that Natalee may be alive. Manufactured? LMAO |
So much of what she's being saying were lies others told her? Have others told her j2k harmed Natalee?
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| cajun_mali wrote: |
She certainly supported the Dr P report. I think she said she'd seen the Skeeters' version and it matched.
I certainly don't hate Beth, and I don't think I'm even angry at her. But I am angry about her actions.
Beth started manufacturing "proof" when she waved around her notebook. |
Why would her notebook be offensive? In a situation as she found herself, yes, I think keeping notes was a very good idea. She has never manufactured proof of anything. She may have been gullible and believed many of the untruths told to her. Yes, I found her yelling about the Kalpoes being released and that no country should let them in to be terrible. I still feel that behavior was wrong but why should I be angry with her? She lost her daughter. I didn't.
Anger is a counter-productive emotion. It rarely helps anything so for those who want to be angry with Beth, be angry. It's their blood pressure.
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| cajun_mali wrote: |
So much of what she's being saying were lies others told her? Have others told her j2k harmed Natalee? |
I don't think that 2K did anything but drop Joran and Natalee at the beach. I don't think that Joran harmed Natalee but I do believe that he knows her fate and it isn't that he left her on the beach alive and well.
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Mon Jan 18, 2010 3:49 pm |
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she crossed the line.
what she did can't be reversed. she will always be in my doghouse.
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Re: she crossed the line.
| iquitos wrote: | | what she did can't be reversed. she will always be in my doghouse. |
Ok then...so what Beth did can never be reversed and she will remain in your doghouse?? lol. No mention I see of what destruction Joran has caused to not only Natalee's family, but Joran's family and an island. Interesting!
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| plhtx1 wrote: |
Beth was a very desperate woman and believed anything that she was being told. She clung to anything that was a glimmer of hope that Natalee may be alive. Manufactured? LMAO |
Desperate?
Try vindictive!
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Re: she crossed the line.
| Linda in L.A. wrote: |
Ok then...so what Beth did can never be reversed and she will remain in your doghouse?? lol. No mention I see of what destruction Joran has caused to not only Natalee's family, but Joran's family and an island. Interesting! |
Once again, where's the evidence against Joran except a bunch of southern slander?
imo.
Hope you had a Great Holiday, Linda in L.A.
Missed you.
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| yankee-in-france wrote: |
Why would her notebook be offensive? In a situation as she found herself, yes, I think keeping notes was a very good idea. She has never manufactured proof of anything. She may have been gullible and believed many of the untruths told to her. Yes, I found her yelling about the Kalpoes being released and that no country should let them in to be terrible. I still feel that behavior was wrong but why should I be angry with her? She lost her daughter. I didn't.
Anger is a counter-productive emotion. It rarely helps anything so for those who want to be angry with Beth, be angry. It's their blood pressure. |
She said she had proof of j2k's guilt in it if I remember it correctly. If you're saying she was wrong about what was in her notebook, then it's just as likely that she's wrong about her belief j2k harmed Natalee. Beth claimed she had proof in the notebook, not me.
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| yankee-in-france wrote: |
I don't think that 2K did anything but drop Joran and Natalee at the beach. I don't think that Joran harmed Natalee but I do believe that he knows her fate and it isn't that he left her on the beach alive and well. |
Beth said she believed they did. Did she lie?
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| cajun_mali wrote: |
Beth said she believed they did. Did she lie? |
Not according to the show.
It even had some of Renee's documentary subjects on and it was odd that none of them brought up any of their allegations about Beth.
Wonder why Renfro and Croes and Dompig don't want more people to learn their so-called truths?
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| Linda in L.A.
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Mon Jan 18, 2010 10:31 pm |
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Re: she crossed the line.
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Once again, where's the evidence against Joran except a bunch of southern slander?
imo.
Hope you had a Great Holiday, Linda in L.A.
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Well now thats the problem isn't it? No evidence exists that we know of. Then I stop and ask myself why none exists. I don't have an answer...but it leads to the question of what "might" have existed had they taken this case seriously in the beginning. They didn't (ok depends on what you believe...I understand that) so no evidence proving or disproving what may or may not have become of Natalee.
Slander is a funny thing Slick. Usually pretty hard to prove in a court of law...same as this case. You'd first have to prove that what is being said is known to be a lie and is repeated to harm someone's reputation. Can you prove that? Didn't think so.
This case goes around and around in circles Both directions. No proof Joran is telling the truth, none that he has lied. No proof that Natalee is dead...none that she is alive. No proof MB is involved or knows more...none that they don't. Frustrating!!!
I did have a wonderful holiday Slickster...hope yours was just as fine??
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Re: she crossed the line.
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Once again, where's the evidence against Joran except a bunch of southern slander?
imo.
Hope you had a Great Holiday, Linda in L.A.
Missed you.
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By the way...the part of my post that you highlighted was in regards to Joran's stupidity in the games he has played since this all happened. He has, most definetly hurt Natalee's family, his family and Aruba. No excuses would cover for what he has done. He seems to get pleasure out of it...and hopefully at some point if he's guilty...he'll say something he can't back away from. If he's innocent...he'll grow up and stop such self-destructive behavior.
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