Or is ALE trying to pressure him to rat on their real suspect?
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HeliPosted:
Mon Jan 18, 2010 9:11 am
He's the real prime suspect.
Do I detect a HUGE inference that he's the fall guy for the real perp?
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K_MeinePosted:
Mon Jan 18, 2010 9:55 am
Heli wrote:
He's the real prime suspect.
Do I detect a HUGE inference that he's the fall guy for the real perp?
I've considered that avenue before but couldn't think of anyone that Joran would be willing to throw his life away for. Plus he appears to be way to selfish anyway.
IMO, that doesn't make it impossible but highly unlikely. I guess it might be worth asking ourselves who we might possibly take a fall of epic proportions for and apply it to Joran's situation. MAYBE a family member but apparently Anita wasn't in town when this situation arose, I've heard little information on Valentin which leaves Coach Paulus. Could there be something there? We'll NEVER know because whoever made Natalee disappear doesn't care about how this effects others as long as that person(s) gets to live there life.
Me thinks this is a person who doesn't believe the rules of society and responsibility applies to them or professionally helps those evade the aforementioned.
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resignedPosted:
Mon Jan 18, 2010 4:29 pm
Yes, Joran Van der Sloot is the prime suspect.
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AlwaysL8Posted:
Mon Jan 18, 2010 5:56 pm
resigned wrote:
Yes, Joran Van der Sloot is the prime suspect.
Prime & ONLY suspect.
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iquitosPosted:
Mon Jan 18, 2010 8:28 pm
being a suspect and being guilty of
something are quite different especially a few years hence with no legal action to charge or try.
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resignedPosted:
Mon Jan 18, 2010 9:05 pm
Re: being a suspect and being guilty of
iquitos wrote:
something are quite different especially a few years hence with no legal action to charge or try.
Yes. Joran Van der Sloot is the prime suspect.
Case is still open.
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K_MeinePosted:
Tue Jan 19, 2010 2:53 pm
Re: being a suspect and being guilty of
resigned wrote:
Yes. Joran Van der Sloot is the prime suspect.
Case is still open.
and the following is why he will remain the prime suspect for some time.
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Joran first told Peter van der Eem that Natalee died in his arms. He even went as far as mimicking the unconscious Natalee as she shook and convulsed. Then he continued, "I tried everything man. I tried to shake her, I was shaking her, I was shaking the bitch. I was like, 'what's wrong with you man?' I almost wanted to cry. Why does this shit have to happen to me?" When Van der Eem asked him if he really knew if Natalee was dead, as she could have still been alive, Joran looked perplexed, then nodded his head in agreement and said, "Yeah, that's possible." Then Joran went as far as declaring, "I'm done with it. The only thing I want now is my big fat compensation check."
With this sort of information why would the Aruban authorities look anywhere else? If the answers are in Mountain Brook it is mostly Joran's fault for distracting this open case. Why would he do that?
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PufPuf93Posted:
Tue Jan 19, 2010 10:18 pm
Maybe Joran is complicit but not the prime suspect
Natalee is alive and Beth (a deliberately confused and rewarded) dupe.
And no desire to discuss.
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SlicksterPosted:
Tue Jan 19, 2010 11:34 pm
Re: Maybe Joran is complicit but not the prime suspect
PufPuf93 wrote:
Natalee is alive and Beth (a deliberately confused and rewarded) dupe.
And no desire to discuss.
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iquitosPosted:
Tue Jan 19, 2010 11:43 pm
Re: being a suspect and being guilty of
K_Meine wrote:
With this sort of information why would the Aruban authorities look anywhere else? If the answers are in Mountain Brook it is mostly Joran's fault for distracting this open case. Why would he do that?
because he is a foolish kid who has been pinned to the wall by a relentless campaign against him? who had him slapped with a Subpoena in nyc?
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resignedPosted:
Tue Jan 19, 2010 11:47 pm
Yes - Joran is the Prime Suspect. He lies too. Ask Him.
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resignedPosted:
Tue Jan 19, 2010 11:55 pm
Re: being a suspect and being guilty of
iquitos wrote:
because he is a foolish kid who has been pinned to the wall by a relentless campaign against him? who had him arrested in nyc?
He doesn't sound foolish to me - runs a business - routinely scams people out of money(at least according to those who claim to be associated with him he is practically a self-marketing whiz)- and knows just what to say when the chips are down.
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iquitosPosted:
Wed Jan 20, 2010 6:55 am
if you have watched this unfold and
don't think joran a fool you are not paying attention.
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K_MeinePosted:
Wed Jan 20, 2010 9:28 am
Re: being a suspect and being guilty of
iquitos wrote:
because he is a foolish kid who has been pinned to the wall by a relentless campaign against him? who had him arrested in nyc?
The truth is Joran began lying from the very beginning. See below:
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Note that Joran has made 3 (or 4) statements (versions):
Version 1. Dropped Natalee at Holiday Inn
Version 2. Natalee and Joran were left at Mariott beach. Joran left Natalee on beach, called Deepak for ride. Deepak picked him up and took him home. Text messages Deepak saying "call me."
Version 3. Same as version 2, except Joran says he called Deepak and told him he is walking home. Text messages Deepak later to say he has arrived home.
Version 4. Same as version 3, except Joran claims that Satish picked him up and drove him home
As highlighted above one simply can't dance around what little legitimate information there is in this case. This relentless campaign you speak of is a direct result of Joran's words and actions and not the other way round as some might wish it to be. There is absolutely no plausible reason for Joran to lie even ONCE if he was completely innocent in regards to this situation.
Let's be honest with ourselves. Had one of our family members gone missing and the prime suspect offered as many versions as Joran. You and the police would be just as suspicious. Society has never looked kindly upon liars especially during emotionally charged times such as a missing persons investigation.
Either way Joran has done wrong and has brought this upon himself. IMO the only entity Joran needs to defend him is himself. Since he is not required to do so by law and personally has done little to redeem himself except offer even more reasons to suspect him through various media offerings. He will have to bear the burden of HIS poor decision making.
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yankee-in-francePosted:
Wed Jan 20, 2010 10:27 am
Re: being a suspect and being guilty of
iquitos wrote:
because he is a foolish kid who has been pinned to the wall by a relentless campaign against him? who had him arrested in nyc?
Arrested? I thought that they were serving a summons on him.
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yankee-in-francePosted:
Wed Jan 20, 2010 10:34 am
Re: if you have watched this unfold and
iquitos wrote:
don't think joran a fool you are not paying attention.
I think that he is a very cunning young man, who received a power surge when he got lucky. How powerful he was, duping ALE and the judges with foolish pranks, obstructing justice with no repercussions, and convincing some people that he is a consummate liar who never utters a truthful word.
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cajun_maliPosted:
Wed Jan 20, 2010 2:44 pm
Re: being a suspect and being guilty of
iquitos wrote:
something are quite different especially a few years hence with no legal action to charge or try.
there's been lots of legal action, and the prosecution seems to have lost all of them
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K_MeinePosted:
Wed Jan 20, 2010 4:22 pm
Re: being a suspect and being guilty of
cajun_mali wrote:
there's been lots of legal action, and the prosecution seems to have lost all of them
If this case has not been resolved due to ineptness and/or people not fulfilling their job responsibilities then that's totally inexcusable. IMO Natalee deserved better treatment than that.
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cajun_maliPosted:
Wed Jan 20, 2010 4:52 pm
Re: being a suspect and being guilty of
K_Meine wrote:
If this case has not been resolved due to ineptness and/or people not fulfilling their job responsibilities then that's totally inexcusable. IMO Natalee deserved better treatment than that.
That is absolutely unprovable.
But, let's say that is true ... how does that make j2k guilty of any crime?
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cajun_maliPosted:
Thu Jan 21, 2010 6:33 am
j2k, convenient fall guys who didn't work out right.
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iquitosPosted:
Thu Jan 21, 2010 6:46 am
Re: being a suspect and being guilty of
K_Meine wrote:
As highlighted above one simply can't dance around what little legitimate information there is in this case. This relentless campaign you speak of is a direct result of Joran's words and actions and not the other way round as some might wish it to be. There is absolutely no plausible reason for Joran to lie even ONCE if he was completely innocent in regards to this situation.
Let's be honest with ourselves. Had one of our family members gone missing and the prime suspect offered as many versions as Joran. You and the police would be just as suspicious. Society has never looked kindly upon liars especially during emotionally charged times such as a missing persons investigation.
Either way Joran has done wrong and has brought this upon himself. IMO the only entity Joran needs to defend him is himself. Since he is not required to do so by law and personally has done little to redeem himself except offer even more reasons to suspect him through various media offerings. He will have to bear the burden of HIS poor decision making.
we have discussed why he lied and so has he. he lied. he was forced to come up with a story when the posse appeared at his home and made the wrong choice. too bad the posse chose to take the law into its own hands. cops might have gotten a different answer. in any case, we don't know if anybody believed him. the lie was not a big deal. it is not up to him to make the prosecution case.
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iquitosPosted:
Thu Jan 21, 2010 6:50 am
Re: if you have watched this unfold and
yankee-in-france wrote:
I think that he is a very cunning young man, who received a power surge when he got lucky. How powerful he was, duping ALE and the judges with foolish pranks, obstructing justice with no repercussions, and convincing some people that he is a consummate liar who never utters a truthful word.
far from powerful he was a pathetic and ineffective liar. i don't really think he duped anybody. i think everybody saw through him. he just benefitted from a total lack of evidence which of course would not exist if he had nothing to do with natalee's disappearance.
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iquitosPosted:
Thu Jan 21, 2010 6:51 am
Re: being a suspect and being guilty of
yankee-in-france wrote:
Arrested? I thought that they were serving a summons on him.
noted and will soon be corrected.
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resignedPosted:
Thu Jan 21, 2010 8:10 am
iquitos wrote:
far from powerful he was a pathetic and ineffective liar. i don't really think he duped anybody. i think everybody saw through him. he just benefitted from a total lack of evidence which of course would not exist if he had nothing to do with natalee's disappearance.
A total lack of evidence wouldn't exist if he never really left her "at the beach" either.
Where did he really leave her? Who knows? He can always lie - he knows it - he's been advised of it.
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Reporter: Now, lying is a crime isn’t it? When you interfere with a police investigation?
Joran van der Sloot: Lying.. I don’t think lying is a crime. Lying is probably not ethical, but it is not a crime.
Reporter: If you interfere with a police investigation?
Joran van der Sloot: If you interfere with a police investigation it is still not a crime.
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Joran van der Sloot: That is why, in the beginning, I thought she ran away with someone on the island. She ran away with a beach bum. I don’t know. Someone on the island that she might have met before. That was my first reaction. And yeah, and afterwards, that is what we talked about to the police, and the police even agreed with me, and I just feel bad. I really don’t know.
There's that sense of entitlement....
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