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Buster
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Fri Jan 22, 2010 4:14 pm |
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Re: Why? Why? Why?
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If you don't think the disappearance of a fellow human being is a crime then I don't know what more to say to a person such as yourself. |
LOL so according to online law-expert KoMeine "when a fellow human being disappears it is a crime"  
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Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:39 pm |
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| AC wrote: | Glenda wrote:
You are correct.
YIF wrote:
Have you seen the files?
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jossy and beth have. they got them out of a garbage can.
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| cajun_mali
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Fri Jan 22, 2010 11:05 pm |
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Re: Why? Why? Why?
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If you're trying to wear me down with your constant opposing rebuttals you may be making some progress.
If you don't think the disappearance of a fellow human being is a crime then I don't know what more to say to a person such as yourself. Nobody has seen Natalee and Joran has given ample reason, on more than one occasion, to make me believe Natalee won't be coming back.
Had Natalee's body somehow miraculously been recovered in a timely fashion. It might have yielded some clues but in its absence you cling to the theory that no crime could have happened because you can't physically see or touch it. I suppose you didn't believe in Santa Claus when you were a kid because you never saw him in person.
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Let me explain simply.
Natalee missing is not a crime. There is a great deal of evidence Natalee is missing.
Causing Natalee to go missing against her will is probably a crime(lindalala). There is no evidence of anyone causing Natalee to disappear.
Just because ALE was late in their investigation doesn't mean there was a crime against Natalee that they missed, no matter how much you wish for it. There is no evidence there was a body to find anytime after she went with j2k. You're trying to convince me your "might"s are somehow facts.
I'm sorry your parents didn't take you out of the house to see Santa. I sat on his lap several times. Yes, km, there is a Santa Claus! Now, why don't you ask me if there is a God?
Joran said good things about Natalee. Did 2k search for Natalee? Does that make you suspicious if they didn't? Of course Joran helped search for Natalee. ALE went around looking for her with him. I'm sure he took them to the places he remembered being with her ... or not ... I really don't know.
As EVERYONE should know, I've said I don't know if a crime was committed against Natalee or not. But, I'm dealing with people like you who insist there was a crime, even without evidence.
So, do we agree:
1) just going missing is not a crime
2) there is no evidence anyone caused Natalee to go missing.
3) if evidence of 2) ever shows up, then there probably was a crime
4) ALE's late search doesn't mean a crime occurred, nor that there was necessarily any evidence to be found if a crime did occur
Don't feel pressured to answer, I'm just "a person such as" myself. It would be beneath you.
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| Linda in L.A.
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Sat Jan 23, 2010 6:02 am |
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Re: Why? Why? Why?
| cajun_mali wrote: | | K_Meine wrote: |
If you're trying to wear me down with your constant opposing rebuttals you may be making some progress.
If you don't think the disappearance of a fellow human being is a crime then I don't know what more to say to a person such as yourself. Nobody has seen Natalee and Joran has given ample reason, on more than one occasion, to make me believe Natalee won't be coming back.
Had Natalee's body somehow miraculously been recovered in a timely fashion. It might have yielded some clues but in its absence you cling to the theory that no crime could have happened because you can't physically see or touch it. I suppose you didn't believe in Santa Claus when you were a kid because you never saw him in person.
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Let me explain simply.
Natalee missing is not a crime. There is a great deal of evidence Natalee is missing.
Causing Natalee to go missing against her will is probably a crime(lindalala). There is no evidence of anyone causing Natalee to disappear.
Just because ALE was late in their investigation doesn't mean there was a crime against Natalee that they missed, no matter how much you wish for it. There is no evidence there was a body to find anytime after she went with j2k. You're trying to convince me your "might"s are somehow facts.
I'm sorry your parents didn't take you out of the house to see Santa. I sat on his lap several times. Yes, km, there is a Santa Claus! Now, why don't you ask me if there is a God?
Joran said good things about Natalee. Did 2k search for Natalee? Does that make you suspicious if they didn't? Of course Joran helped search for Natalee. ALE went around looking for her with him. I'm sure he took them to the places he remembered being with her ... or not ... I really don't know.
As EVERYONE should know, I've said I don't know if a crime was committed against Natalee or not. But, I'm dealing with people like you who insist there was a crime, even without evidence.
So, do we agree:
1) just going missing is not a crime
2) there is no evidence anyone caused Natalee to go missing.
3) if evidence of 2) ever shows up, then there probably was a crime
4) ALE's late search doesn't mean a crime occurred, nor that there was necessarily any evidence to be found if a crime did occur
Don't feel pressured to answer, I'm just "a person such as" myself. It would be beneath you. |
You didn't address this to me...but since you decided to add my name into your post...I'm going to reply.
I sure don't remember Joran searching for Natalee with ALE...not unless you are talking about after his arrest and he was supposedly taking them to where he thought her body might be (according to the report that was later said to have been wrong). But wasn't that when he said Deepak could have killed her?
I also don't see how calling Natalee a bitch all the time is speaking well of Natalee. By the way cajun...my name is Linda. Just Linda all by itself or Linda in L.A. if you insist...ok? No lala. I'd very much appreciate if you would stick to that. I mean...would you want to be called cajunali? I doubt it. What's worse is there are posters named lala and I don't want to be confused with them. Thanks in advance.
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| cajun_mali
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Sat Jan 23, 2010 7:42 am |
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Prime suspect for what?
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Sat Jan 23, 2010 12:38 pm |
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| cajun_mali wrote: |
Prime suspect for what? |
Who?
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| K_Meine
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Mon Jan 25, 2010 9:57 am |
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Re: Why? Why? Why?
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LOL so according to online law-expert KoMeine "when a fellow human being disappears under these suspicious circumstances it is most likely a crime" |
Never once have I self promoted my law expertise but nice baiting anyway. Fair enough. Let me rephrase that so hopefully a multi nic boarder or newbie like you can understand it (see edit above). So as not to cause any further confusion. Certainly not all disappearances occur because of a crime as some people simply want to disappear.
Due to what "information" has been made available it appears IMHO that Natalee's disappearance was more likely a result of a crime than not. This is the Internet not a court of law. Therefore, in the world of free lance public opinion I have chosen to look beyond the lack of physical evidence and entertain other forms of available data in order to formulate my opinions. 
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| K_Meine
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Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:11 am |
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Re: Why? Why? Why?
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If you're trying to wear me down with your constant opposing rebuttals you may be making some progress.
If you don't think the disappearance of a fellow human being is a crime then I don't know what more to say to a person such as yourself. Nobody has seen Natalee and Joran has given ample reason, on more than one occasion, to make me believe Natalee won't be coming back.
Had Natalee's body somehow miraculously been recovered in a timely fashion. It might have yielded some clues but in its absence you cling to the theory that no crime could have happened because you can't physically see or touch it. I suppose you didn't believe in Santa Claus when you were a kid because you never saw him in person.
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Let me explain simply.
Natalee missing is not a crime. There is a great deal of evidence Natalee is missing.
Causing Natalee to go missing against her will is probably a crime(lindalala). There is no evidence of anyone causing Natalee to disappear.
Just because ALE was late in their investigation doesn't mean there was a crime against Natalee that they missed, no matter how much you wish for it. There is no evidence there was a body to find anytime after she went with j2k. You're trying to convince me your "might"s are somehow facts.
I'm sorry your parents didn't take you out of the house to see Santa. I sat on his lap several times. Yes, km, there is a Santa Claus! Now, why don't you ask me if there is a God?
Joran said good things about Natalee. Did 2k search for Natalee? Does that make you suspicious if they didn't? Of course Joran helped search for Natalee. ALE went around looking for her with him. I'm sure he took them to the places he remembered being with her ... or not ... I really don't know.
As EVERYONE should know, I've said I don't know if a crime was committed against Natalee or not. But, I'm dealing with people like you who insist there was a crime, even without evidence.
So, do we agree (you're do it again):
1) just going missing is not a crime
2) there is no evidence anyone caused Natalee to go missing.
3) if evidence of 2) ever shows up, then there probably was a crime
4) ALE's late search doesn't mean a crime occurred, nor that there was necessarily any evidence to be found if a crime did occur
Don't feel pressured to answer, I'm just "a person such as" myself. It would be beneath you. |
Due to a lack of physical evidence I've been basing most of my opinions on what little information has been made available as well as human behavior. Whereas it appears your mission is to sway EVERYONE (as you put it) into following YOUR views. I personally couldn't care less.
I don't insist there was a crime however I do think Natalee's disappearance was rooted in one. We have differing views and that is OK.
The truth is there are some who would actually like to see this case resolved one day. As I see it we should all be helping each other not battling one another.
ps. You misunderstood my point about Santa. Be well.
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| Buster
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Mon Jan 25, 2010 3:11 pm |
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Re: Why? Why? Why?
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LOL so according to online law-expert KoMeine "when a fellow human being disappears under these suspicious circumstances it is most likely a crime" |
Don't insert your words into my quote will ya, it's rather poor form and god forbid people might think I wrote that cr@p.
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Due to what "information" has been made available it appears IMHO that Natalee's disappearance was more likely a result of a crime than not. This is the Internet not a court of law. Therefore, in the world of free lance public opinion I have chosen to look beyond the lack of physical evidence and entertain other forms of available data in order to formulate my opinions. |
However if others don't agree with you that "the disappearance of a fellow human being is a crime" then you don't know what more to say to such a person.
Right very helpful
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| cajun_mali
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Mon Jan 25, 2010 3:35 pm |
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Re: Why? Why? Why?
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Due to a lack of physical evidence I've been basing most of my opinions on what little information has been made available as well as human behavior. Whereas it appears your mission is to sway EVERYONE (as you put it) into following YOUR views. I personally couldn't care less.
I don't insist there was a crime however I do think Natalee's disappearance was rooted in one. We have differing views and that is OK.
The truth is there are some who would actually like to see this case resolved one day. As I see it we should all be helping each other not battling one another.
ps. You misunderstood my point about Santa. Be well. |
Oh, I understood Santa very well. I think we'd all like to see it resolved one way or another. It's a bit smug to imply I don't. Your little argument about a crime or not seems a bit 2 faced. If you don't like what I post, don't reply. If you don't like my replies to your posts, don't reply. Or be like resigned, do a bit of heckling without backing up what you say.
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Mon Jan 25, 2010 4:17 pm |
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Re: Why? Why? Why?
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Oh, I understood Santa very well. I think we'd all like to see it resolved one way or another. It's a bit smug to imply I don't. Your little argument about a crime or not seems a bit 2 faced. If you don't like what I post, don't reply. If you don't like my replies to your posts, don't reply. Or be like resigned, do a bit of heckling without backing up what you say. |
Or just be yourself and annoy, annoy, annoy with twist and twist and twist. 
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Mon Jan 25, 2010 4:20 pm |
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Re: Why? Why? Why?
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Or just be yourself and annoy, annoy, annoy with twist and twist and twist. |
I'm glad you're getting into the spirit! WHOOPEE!!
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| K_Meine
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Mon Jan 25, 2010 4:28 pm |
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Re: Why? Why? Why?
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Oh, I understood Santa very well. I think we'd all like to see it resolved one way or another. It's a bit smug to imply I don't. Your little argument about a crime or not seems a bit 2 faced. If you don't like what I post, don't reply. If you don't like my replies to your posts, don't reply. Or be like resigned, do a bit of heckling without backing up what you say. |
On the contrary C_M, I would consider you to be someone who does actually care about a resolution in this case so might I request you not take it personally. There are some here who seek to derail, heckle or poison and I don't get the feeling you are one of those sorts. As far as my argument goes there is nothing two faced about it. I strongly believe there was a crime committed regardless if Natalee's body is recovered or not.
As far as posting is concerned. I'll post when I am good and ready and regardless of whether I like it or not. Keep up the good work. You're doing just fine.
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Mon Jan 25, 2010 4:41 pm |
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Re: Why? Why? Why?
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On the contrary C_M, I would consider you to be someone who does actually care about a resolution in this case so might I request you not take it personally. There are some here who seek to derail, heckle or poison and I don't get the feeling you are one of those sorts. As far as my argument goes there is nothing two faced about it. I strongly believe there was a crime committed regardless if Natalee's body is recovered or not.
As far as posting is concerned. I'll post when I am good and ready and regardless of whether I like it or not. Keep up the good work. You're doing just fine. |
I'm so on the defensive here. Smart people, witty people, and sometimes we all get too serious about this.
I hate to say it, but I believe there never will be a resolution. In the end, I think the only people who will come out better in this mess will be Deepack and Peter.
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What does it take to get thru to some of you???
Deactivations & Bannings are issued
Timeouts are issued...depending on the "offense" some are short some are longER
In addition, many are let back in [in some cases a dozen or more times] with alters  that perhaps this time around they've learned their lesson and will act like "civilized adults"
Warnings are issued over and over and over again
I get asked in PMs Why issue Warnings why not issue/recommend sanctions??
Well... I do in the hope there is a sliver of a chance for civility & that this forum have any discussion on it that doesn't include personal attacks, labeling, hair pulling
Plz use common~sense
& although, posters are cautioned/warned that one of the risks you take by posting here is that:
"You will read things that offend you.
You will have things said to you that you don't like.
You will be called names that you don't like.
You will have people interpret your posts erroneously."
http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/viewtopic.php?p=282083#282083
The rules still is to take poster vs. poster, baiting, hair pulling, insults to the Heated Exchange
another issue I've observed the last few weeks is this continued asking...practically demanding "answers" from a handful of posters
Nobody owes anybody answers here
Conversely, targeting, shadowing ...harassment of other posters, such as repeatedly following them from thread to thread to "dispute" them, personally is against the Forum Guidelines
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Mon Jan 25, 2010 9:32 pm |
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Re: Why? Why? Why?
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I'm so on the defensive here. Smart people, witty people, and sometimes we all get too serious about this.
I hate to say it, but I believe there never will be a resolution. In the end, I think the only people who will come out better in this mess will be Deepack and Peter. |
Is Satish having specific issues with the motions to compel? I thought the Brothers' case against McGraw was a joint venture.
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| DiamondDot
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Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:35 pm |
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Hi y'all.
Haven't been here for a while.
Is Beth still pretending not to know Natalee's disposition?
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| DiamondDot wrote: | Hi y'all.
Haven't been here for a while.
Is Beth still pretending not to know Natalee's disposition? |
I do not believe that she is pretending. The media attention that the case has garnered indicates that many award winning investigative journalists with millions of viewer worldwide also do not think that she is pretending.
There does seem to be a slight and ever diminishing minority of quasi- journalists who hold an alternative opinion based on a supposed cache of so-called " in the know information" that after 4 years still remains elusive and illusive.
eta - and yes, Joran Van der Sloot remains the prime suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.
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| DiamondDot wrote: | Hi y'all.
Haven't been here for a while.
Is Beth still pretending not to know Natalee's disposition? |
If Beth knew Natalee's disposition, the FBI would surely know, unless you feel the FBI is inadequate. Joran would have been released as a suspect.
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| K_Meine
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Re: Why? Why? Why?
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I'm so on the defensive here. Smart people, witty people, and sometimes we all get too serious about this.
I hate to say it, but I believe there never will be a resolution. In the end, I think the only people who will come out better in this mess will be Deepack and Peter. |
I don't understand why you have chosen to be on the defensive as this situation doesn't really involve you. Joran and Beth are adults, at least of adult age, and can fen for themselves. I'd agree many take this too seriously sometimes but we've also put a lot of time, energy and emotion into this board and would eventually like to get some answers.
Deep down I know there will never be a resolution to this case. The values that are necessary to make that happen are not simply and sadly not available. In addition, Beth appears to have burned out and Joran is incapable of taking responsibility and speaking honestly as those concepts are completely foreign to him. As they say you can't get blood from a stone. It's been over for a while but I'm a glutton for punishment and hope.
IMO the only people who came out on top is Natalee and Peter. Sneaky Pete received a shiny trophy and Natalee got promoted to a better place than here.
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| WangChung
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| plhtx1 wrote: |
If Beth knew the Natalee's disposition, the FBI would surely know, unless you feel the FBI is inadequate. Joran would have been released as a suspect. |
Here's what the FBI knows, and they've seen all the files:
FBI agents have also spent many nauseating hours listening to Beth's donation-winning "DRUGGED!! KIDNAPPED!! GANGRAPED!! MURDERED!!" screeds. Here's the FBI's conclusion regarding Natalee's disappearance:
Do you feel the FBI is inadequate? 
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Since Natalee went "missing" in another country isn't seeking information the "correct" category to list her under? What ever happened to Natalie ( if anything) it occurred outside US legal jurisdiction.
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Bachus 2006 Press Conference
| Quote: | What will be taking place today, in fact as we meet is, there were two things in my discussion with the arubans which I asked them and they asked me. I asked them to come to Washington to meet with State and Federal officials. They in fact told me that they had two (2) requests of me. One (1) was that I try to facilitate greater co-operation between them and the State Department and the FBI in that they had made requests of the State Department and the FBI in connection with interviewing witnesses here in this country.
I was actually disappointed that there had been delays in facilitating interviews that they had requested and as we speak today the aruban delegation is meeting with very high level officials at the FBI . They're meeting with Chris Gregorski who is the Acting Chief of the Violent Crime Section . They're also meeting with Chip Burris the Deputy Assistanat Director of the Criminal Investigation Division. So those are two officials, and there'll be others in those meetings, but those are two top officials at the FBI and I felt it necessary for the FBI and the arubans to sit down face to face and communicate and I am hopeful that if there's progress to be made in the case and progress might depend even marginally on co-operation between those two agencies, that that will happen.
I'm not going to make any statement about that meeting other than that. I think the FBI or the aruban government at the conclusion of those meetings can tell you more about their agenda, what their discussions will be. As I said, my concern was to (inaudible) a heightened communication between the two agencies. |
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Jump forward over four years -------Joran Van der Sloot- still the prime suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.
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| Linda in L.A.
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| WangChung wrote: |
Here's what the FBI knows, and they've seen all the files:
FBI agents have also spent many nauseating hours listening to Beth's donation-winning "DRUGGED!! KIDNAPPED!! GANGRAPED!! MURDERED!!" screeds. Here's the FBI's conclusion regarding Natalee's disappearance:
Do you feel the FBI is inadequate? |
Not sure if this post will work...but in this interview...Dompig says the FBI was in on every meeting in the beginning. He also says he believes it will be solved eventually and that J2K are all prime suspects in the case.
Something interesting I had not heard him say before...Dompig says all interrogations were taped. Interesting no? Not only were they taped, but the FBI was there.
He also says at 6:45 that his gut tells him the body was NOT dumped in the ocean but is on the island and is recoverable. He doesn't ever say there is no body. Not that Dompig knows for a fact that there is a body...but he sure seems to believe (knowing what is in the files) that there is one.
He states more than once..."a CRIME like this is not going to go unsolved". Stating that Aruba is like a glass house. There is no way to hide anything on the island. What Dompig says doesn't necessarily mean its fact. What it is to me tho...is background as to how or maybe why posters post that 1) everyone knows each other on Aruba; 2) there was a CRIME; 3) Natalee's body was hidden on Aruba.
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