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WangChung
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Re: Bachus 2006 Press Conference
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Jump forward over four years -------Joran Van der Sloot- still the prime suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. |
Jump forward almost five years ------
* Beth has a new face but the same old story.
* Beth now resides in a luxury home in a resort community.
* Beth has collected cash donations via at least three non-profit, tax-exempt U.S. registered corporations.
* Nobody, including Joran, has provided any evidence that any crime occured against Natalee Holloway.
Meanwhile, almost five years (and thousands of man-hours) later, here's what the FBI sez:
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| Linda in L.A. wrote: |
Not sure if this post will work...but in this interview...Dompig says the FBI was in on every meeting in the beginning. He also says he believes it will be solved eventually and that J2K are all prime suspects in the case.
Something interesting I had not heard him say before...Dompig says all interrogations were taped. Interesting no? Not only were they taped, but the FBI was there.
He also says at 6:45 that his gut tells him the body was NOT dumped in the ocean but is on the island and is recoverable. He doesn't ever say there is no body. Not that Dompig knows for a fact that there is a body...but he sure seems to believe (knowing what is in the files) that there is one. |
Love it how some here take Dompig's words as gospel when it fits their agenda, kinda like they do with Joran or Peter. 
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Joran Van der Sloot has remained the prime suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway long after Dompig's retirement and his starting his own security firm on Aruba:
http://www.shieldgrp.com/82.aspx
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| WangChung
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Tue Jan 26, 2010 6:54 pm |
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Back at the hacienda, Dompig has started his own security firm:
http://www.shieldgrp.com/82.aspx
Meanwhile, Beth Holloway Twitty Holloway (depending on the camera angle) has started a couple of her own retirement security firms. These are registered with the IRS as 501(c) non-profit corporations. This means the corporations Beth directs are exempt from paying the taxes parents of children who haven't run away or are 'missing' must pay.
While Dompig was busy starting his own security firm:
http://www.shieldgrp.com/82.aspx
Beth Holloway Twitty Holloway was hawking a ghost-written pulp novel and finding other ways to financially profit from her supposedly dead daughter:
Behind the scenes, the FBI soldiered on....
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Tue Jan 26, 2010 7:48 pm |
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The Prime Suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, Joran Van der Sloot writes..............................
but barely.
Readers who bought this may also like:
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| Slickster
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Is Joran REALLY the prime suspect?
http://www.rjames.com/forums/showthread.php?p=30268
[a link that has long been laundered-ftr]
"I don't think she's [Natalee] been hurt, but she's being held against her will," said Hunter Whitlock. (Whitlock is female). This comment was made at a prayer service on June 4 at which Marcia Twitty had given a "briefing".
"We've been praying from the moment we found out, while the plane was still in the air bringing the others home," said Susan Merrill, whose son was on the trip of 124 high school students.
Merrill made this comment after the June 5 prayer vigil, at which Marcia also gave a briefing.
Okay, so...if Susan Merrill is accurate, then everyone in Mountain Brook knew Natalee was missing even before the rest of kids touched down at the airport.
The newspaper article that cited Whitlock's quote of June 4 said that Marcia Twitty "has been" holding "briefings" after the prayer vigils. Which means she'd been holding them before that date.
The "Hootie, Call Me" posters came down on Thursday, June 2, and were replaced by the "kidnapped" ones. So Marcia started holding her briefings right then or shortly after that.
No, there's no indication that Marcia was telling anyone not to talk at that point. As you say,that happened the day K2J were taken into custody.
Parten's sister, Robin, is married to Holloway's father, Dave Holloway.
'Like my little son said the other day, `Mom, when they find Natalee, she's going to be in big trouble,' '' because in his mind he thinks she's just running away and hiding somewhere,'' Parten said.
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If my r/l wasn't so busy, I would dig even deeper into the depth of lies that Mountain Brook, Alabamy has laid out all these yrs.
It's all on the internet forever.
Oh wait, hold on, I happen to have a few laundered links that are still in the web archives.....imagine that!
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| Slickster
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Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:37 pm |
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MB Fodder:
http://web.archive.org/web/20060428160754/rjames.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-8.html
June -'05:
Holloway’s friends saw van der Sloot both in the casino at the hotel where they were staying and at Carlos’N Charlies’, and a friend of Holloway said van der Sloot , a tall, broad-shouldered athlete , got into a scuffle with some of the Mountain Brook guys at the bar.
“I broke it up,” said Bryan Reynolds, 18. “It was outside the Carlos’N Charlies’ the second night we were there.”
Reynolds didn’t elaborate, and Barron said people who went on the trip aren’t publicly discussing details of what happened in Aruba at the request of Holloway’s family, which fears the publicity could hamper the investigation.
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I still can't get over the rabbit-like behavior they exhibited while staying at the HI. These are the very same 'kids' that attended Marcia's "Prayer Meetings", knelt and wept at "Natalee's Prayer Wall" and were photographed boozing it up while wearing their "Prayer Bracelets". Talk about sending mixed signals! Maybe it's just old fashioned hypocrisy.
MB Fodder etc:
The drug use.
The way the MBer's treated Natalee.
The coverup of anything MB.
Thomas Twitty lawyering up.
The taxi rumor.
Gang Raped and Murdered.
Let's just say we saw her there.
Aruba isn't going to know what hit them.
etc,
etc,
K, back to r/l for me.
Have at it.
It is all on the internet forever, and it doesn't look good for Mountain Brook, Alabamy.
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Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:49 pm |
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Kids
say the darndest things! 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UgLpRvX7Qk&feature=related
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| WangChung
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Tue Jan 26, 2010 10:55 pm |
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Re: MB Fodder:
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MB Fodder etc:
The drug use.
The way the MBer's treated Natalee.
The coverup of anything MB.
Thomas Twitty lawyering up.
The taxi rumor.
Gang Raped and Murdered.
Let's just say we saw her there.
Aruba isn't going to know what hit them.
etc,
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You don't suppose Tommy T. was fucking Natalee, do you?? 
That would make about as much sense as Beth's canned speech about Natalee being drugged and gangraped while she was on Aruba.
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Tue Jan 26, 2010 11:14 pm |
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Re: Kids
And if your a kid from Mountain Brook, Alabamy, ......
your parents come in and cover up the bad part of it all.
[so obvious anymore, sheesh]
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Tue Jan 26, 2010 11:17 pm |
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Re: MB Fodder:
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You don't suppose Tommy T. was fucking Natalee, do you??
That would make about as much sense as Beth's canned speech about Natalee being drugged and gangraped while she was on Aruba. |
Easy now, ....... 
The archives point to either him or Juggy!
And------
she was running away from her home life.
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| luvslalom
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Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:51 am |
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Re: MB Fodder:
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It is all on the internet forever, and it doesn't look good for Mountain Brook, Alabamy.
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It'll be 5 years soon. Those dang MB cops are even worse than those in Aruba who took 3/4 hour to drive a quarter mile.
They must be taking the scenic route.
I wonder why your important news hasn't been picked up by TLC. 
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Wed Jan 27, 2010 9:35 am |
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Re: MB Fodder:
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It'll be 5 years soon. Those dang MB cops are even worse than those in Aruba who took 3/4 hour to drive a quarter mile.
They must be taking the scenic route.
I wonder why your important news hasn't been picked up by TLC. |
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| K_Meine
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Wed Jan 27, 2010 10:01 am |
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Re: Bachus 2006 Press Conference
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Jump forward almost five years ------
* Beth has a new face but the same old story.
* Beth now resides in a luxury home in a resort community.
* Beth has collected cash donations via at least three non-profit, tax-exempt U.S. registered corporations.
* Nobody, including Joran, has provided any evidence that any crime occured against Natalee Holloway.
Meanwhile, almost five years (and thousands of man-hours) later, here's what the FBI sez:
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None of the aforementioned have anything to do with Joran's involvement in making Natalee disappear. All that is after the fact. If you're insinuating that she used illegal monies to have face lifts and buy luxury homes. You might recall she was married twice previously and likely financed those niceties that way. Sure it more enticing to think these were sinister operation (lol) but there is unlikely much of anything there. IMO Beth wouldn't be stupid enough to spend "love bowl" money that way. Then again I could be wrong.
Why would Joran provide any evidence against himself? If he wasn't inclined to assist in finding her in the first place why would he provide information against himself now? He is a free man and wants to and will remain that way.
According to Dompig THREE FULL DAYS is what J2K were given to cover their tracks. That's why the FBI will likely have that banner up indefinitely. It's interesting how Dompig proclaims Aruba is small place and that a crime like this won't go unsolved as people talk. The issue is the one who needs to do the talking no longer lives there. Stick a fork in it unless Joran miraculously grows a conscience.
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Re: MB Fodder:
| Slickster wrote: | http://web.archive.org/web/20060428160754/rjames.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-8.html
June -'05:
Holloway’s friends saw van der Sloot both in the casino at the hotel where they were staying and at Carlos’N Charlies’, and a friend of Holloway said van der Sloot , a tall, broad-shouldered athlete , got into a scuffle with some of the Mountain Brook guys at the bar.
“I broke it up,” said Bryan Reynolds, 18. “It was outside the Carlos’N Charlies’ the second night we were there.”
Reynolds didn’t elaborate, and Barron said people who went on the trip aren’t publicly discussing details of what happened in Aruba at the request of Holloway’s family, which fears the publicity could hamper the investigation.
Comments:
I still can't get over the rabbit-like behavior they exhibited while staying at the HI. These are the very same 'kids' that attended Marcia's "Prayer Meetings", knelt and wept at "Natalee's Prayer Wall" and were photographed boozing it up while wearing their "Prayer Bracelets". Talk about sending mixed signals! Maybe it's just old fashioned hypocrisy.
MB Fodder etc:
The drug use.
The way the MBer's treated Natalee.
The coverup of anything MB.
Thomas Twitty lawyering up.
The taxi rumor.
Gang Raped and Murdered.
Let's just say we saw her there.
Aruba isn't going to know what hit them.
etc,
etc,
K, back to r/l for me.
Have at it.
It is all on the internet forever, and it doesn't look good for Mountain Brook, Alabamy.
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The attempt to act like Natalee's friends didn't care for her because they distracted themselves when possible is ridiculous. Everyone handles grief differently and teenagers are probably just as likely if not more so than other age groups to deny reality when it's too much to handle. It's much easier to clump together and rely on each other for distraction than to be at home in the dark locked in a room dwelling on tragedy. Everyone who has had a drink knows it makes unpleasant things go down a little more smoothly.
By the way: drug use is alleged, there isn't any evidence that Natalee was treated differently than the others in her group, it has never, not once, been anything but an internet rumor that Thomas "lawyered up", and the taxi "rumor" was valid at the time it started because many of the kids on the trip genuinely thought (or assumed) she got into a taxi or thought that she did. Had her exit been seen by more people maybe that would never have been a distraction, but based on her character, personality, and pattern of behavior at home it was extremely logical to assume she she didn't knowingly leave with three strange guys unless she thought she were getting into a taxi. And it's possible she DID think that at first. I to this day firmly believe that since Joran lied to the girls on the trip saying he was an exchange student she didn't think he was a local but another foreigner like her that wanted to go party at the hotel.
| Slickster wrote: | http://www.rjames.com/forums/showthread.php?p=30268
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"I don't think she's [Natalee] been hurt, but she's being held against her will," said Hunter Whitlock. (Whitlock is female). This comment was made at a prayer service on June 4 at which Marcia Twitty had given a "briefing".
"We've been praying from the moment we found out, while the plane was still in the air bringing the others home," said Susan Merrill, whose son was on the trip of 124 high school students.
Merrill made this comment after the June 5 prayer vigil, at which Marcia also gave a briefing.
Okay, so...if Susan Merrill is accurate, then everyone in Mountain Brook knew Natalee was missing even before the rest of kids touched down at the airport.
The newspaper article that cited Whitlock's quote of June 4 said that Marcia Twitty "has been" holding "briefings" after the prayer vigils. Which means she'd been holding them before that date.
The "Hootie, Call Me" posters came down on Thursday, June 2, and were replaced by the "kidnapped" ones. So Marcia started holding her briefings right then or shortly after that.
No, there's no indication that Marcia was telling anyone not to talk at that point. As you say,that happened the day K2J were taken into custody.
Parten's sister, Robin, is married to Holloway's father, Dave Holloway.
'Like my little son said the other day, `Mom, when they find Natalee, she's going to be in big trouble,' '' because in his mind he thinks she's just running away and hiding somewhere,'' Parten said.
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If my r/l wasn't so busy, I would dig even deeper into the depth of lies that Mountain Brook, Alabamy has laid out all these yrs.
It's all on the internet forever.
Oh wait, hold on, I happen to have a few laundered links that are still in the web archives.....imagine that!
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It's been said many times that people knew before the second plane got back that she was missing. I'm sure those closest to her family knew before that. The general public knew before the second plane load was home. I know this because I knew before the second plane load was home and count myself as "general public" in this case.
It seems natural that a "little son" would assume she had run off versus kidnapping. What small child would come up with kidnapping or rape?
You've had years to reveal your "secrets". Have at it.
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He/she is just dwelling on internet rumor.
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| WangChung
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Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:05 pm |
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Re: MB Fodder:
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What small child would come up with kidnapping or rape?
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I can think of one, and her bratty temper tantrums were the stuff tabloid teevee dreams are made of.
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| plhtx1 wrote: | | He/she is just dwelling on internet rumor. |
Ok, if you say so.
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Re: Bachus 2006 Press Conference
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None of the aforementioned have anything to do with Joran's involvement in making Natalee disappear. All that is after the fact. If you're insinuating that she used illegal monies to have face lifts and buy luxury homes. You might recall she was married twice previously and likely financed those niceties that way. Sure it more enticing to think these were sinister operation (lol) but there is unlikely much of anything there. IMO Beth wouldn't be stupid enough to spend "love bowl" money that way. Then again I could be wrong.
Why would Joran provide any evidence against himself? If he wasn't inclined to assist in finding her in the first place why would he provide information against himself now? He is a free man and wants to and will remain that way.
According to Dompig THREE FULL DAYS is what J2K were given to cover their tracks. That's why the FBI will likely have that banner up indefinitely. It's interesting how Dompig proclaims Aruba is small place and that a crime like this won't go unsolved as people talk. The issue is the one who needs to do the talking no longer lives there. Stick a fork in it unless Joran miraculously grows a conscience. |
so it was d i v o r c e x 2 that made her a rich woman and not the amsouth trust, the gala, the istf, the book, the personal appearances and the made for tv movie? so what did she do with the money she raised?
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Wed Jan 27, 2010 8:45 pm |
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Re: Bachus 2006 Press Conference
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so it was d i v o r c e x 2 that made her a rich woman and not the amsouth trust, the gala, the istf, the book, the personal appearances and the made for tv movie? so what did she do with the money she raised? |
Search for Natalee???
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| Linda in L.A.
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Search for Natalee???
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Since this thread is about Joran and whether or not he is a suspect, I don't really see how what money Beth has or doesn't have figures into it...but that's fine. It does make me wonder tho why all the interest in what Beth has spent money on when the same people don't really seem to care about what Joran has spent money on that has been collected for him. To be honest...I don't really care what either of them have spent money on unless it has a direct link to what happened to Natalee.
As for revealing secrets...it might be better said reveal your opinion...because THAT is all anyone has. If there are true facts that someone has we would have heard about them by now or they would have been turned over to ALE and the case would not remain unsolved.
And THAT is my opinion...and I'm stickin to it 
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so it was d i v o r c e x 2 that made her a rich woman and not the amsouth trust, the gala, the istf, the book, the personal appearances and the made for tv movie? so what did she do with the money she raised? |
I merely stated that she had other sources of income at her disposal. It appears some want to spin Beth as some sinister ponzi schemer who has taken all the money she collected from the disappearance of her daughter and spent it solely on cosmetic surgery and material goods.
In a world that has become so progressively vigilant in prosecuting various fraud schemes (Madoff, Enron, etc.). I highly doubt Beth has the knowledge and ability to be able to pull something off like that. She and her business endeavors all have to file taxes like the rest of us. If there were any shenanigans I'm sure the IRS would have something to say about it. In short it sure makes the story much more enticing if this were a sinister operation but in all likelihood it isn't/wasn't.
What did she do with the money she raised? I don't know nor do I really care as it's none of my business. Maybe she used some to start SAFE TRAVELS, maybe she gave some to Texas Uquusearch. It appears that some people believe that any and all monies collected MUST go directly to searching for Natalee and if they can't see Beth walking the beaches of Aruba then she must be misspending her love bowl money.
IMO Beth has taken to heart what Joran has said and has attempted to move on with her life without Natalee. Any of the aforementioned expenses as well hotels, flights, meals etc that are related to to speeches or meetings where Natalee is the topic or lesson are in fact legitimate. Botox and "lifts" may not ethically fit under the legitimate category but if people contribute monies to these sorts of "fund raisers". They need to realize that it is on a no strings attached basis and have no say so in how that money is spent. If you're going to have stipulations you're better off hanging on to your money.
ps. How was your birthday?
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so it was d i v o r c e x 2 that made her a rich woman and not the amsouth trust, the gala, the istf, the book, the personal appearances and the made for tv movie? so what did she do with the money she raised? |
 Oh yeah, she got rich when she divorced Dave Holloway.
She told the world that her family needed both hers and Jug's salaries to survive. So, I sincerely doubt she came away with much $$ out of her marriage to Jug.
Have to give it to her though, she did try to snag herself a truly rich man who could have made her a rich woman at the time of a divorce. When he suggested a restrictive pre-nuptual agreement, she decided to just be good friends with John Ramsey.
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Oh yeah, she got rich when she divorced Dave Holloway.
She told the world that her family needed both hers and Jug's salaries to survive. So, I sincerely doubt she came away with much $$ out of her marriage to Jug.
Have to give it to her though, she did try to snag herself a truly rich man who could have made her a rich woman at the time of a divorce. When he suggested a restrictive pre-nuptual agreement, she decided to just be good friends with John Ramsey. |
You state that as fact/truth. There is no way for you to know that and I am fairly sure their relationship never got that far.
Why the need for outright lies? I'll answer the question myself....Because you have NO truths and lies are ALL you've got. 
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sinister ponzi schemer
... It appears some want to spin Beth as some sinister ponzi schemer who has taken all the money she collected from the disappearance of her daughter and spent it solely on cosmetic surgery and material goods. ...
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