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cajun_mali
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Is it a dead issue?
| Quote: | Asked how he would characterize the current state of the investigation, Dompig says, "I would say 'critical last phase.'"
"Do you believe this case will be solved?" Roberts asked.
"Yes, I do," Dompig replied.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/22/48hours/main1430644.shtml
It was in a critical phase in 06, and there wasn't the predicted resolution. Is it dead in fact? Is there anything left to discover? Yes, I know, it's an open case and Joran is the "prime suspect" ( I don't know of what). ALE didn't believe j2k harmed Natalee, so they probably didn't go to far on that avenue. They seem to have left it at disposing of a body, though they can't prove one ever existed. Ambush journalism did it's best and pretty much flopped. Joran and Beth are getting on with their lives, even though Peter seems to have solved the case.
What's left? Was it a mistake to take 2k off the list of ps's (of whatever?).
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ALE didn't believe that J2K harmed Natalee? I don't think that is true. Even Dompig said Joran may have "blew a fuse" when Natalee denied his advances.
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| luvslalom
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Re: Is it a dead issue?
| cajun_mali wrote: | | Quote: | Asked how he would characterize the current state of the investigation, Dompig says, "I would say 'critical last phase.'"
"Do you believe this case will be solved?" Roberts asked.
"Yes, I do," Dompig replied.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/22/48hours/main1430644.shtml
It was in a critical phase in 06, and there wasn't the predicted resolution. Is it dead in fact? Is there anything left to discover? Yes, I know, it's an open case and Joran is the "prime suspect" ( I don't know of what). ALE didn't believe j2k harmed Natalee, so they probably didn't go to far on that avenue. They seem to have left it at disposing of a body, though they can't prove one ever existed. Ambush journalism did it's best and pretty much flopped. Joran and Beth are getting on with their lives, even though Peter seems to have solved the case.
What's left? Was it a mistake to take 2k off the list of ps's (of whatever?). |
Try not to spread untrue rumors. There are people that just want to believe those rumors and that is just not right. 
IMO it's not a mistake that Joran is still PS.
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Sat Jan 23, 2010 11:00 am |
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Re: Is it a dead issue?
| luvslalom wrote: |
Try not to spread untrue rumors. There are people that just want to believe those rumors and that is just not right.
IMO it's not a mistake that Joran is still PS. |
cest moi?
Is it a mistake he is the only one?
But, the case is dead.
If it's true, it's not a rumor.
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| hemchi wrote: | | ALE didn't believe that J2K harmed Natalee? I don't think that is true. Even Dompig said Joran may have "blew a fuse" when Natalee denied his advances. |
| Quote: | And there’s another stunning revelation from the authorities: Though they’re convinced Holloway is dead, they tell 48 Hours that they believe she was not murdered.
"This was a highly intoxicated body of a very small person," says Dompig.
Dompig laid out the latest scenario of what happened after Natalee was last seen driving off with van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers shortly after 1 a.m. He says investigators think the group did not go to the beach but that they possibly brought Natalie back to the van der Sloots' home.
Wherever she was, police now think that while Natalee was with Joran, she died suddenly from an overdose of intoxicants.
"We feel strongly that she probably went into shock or something happened to her system with all this alcohol maybe on top of that other drugs which either she took or they gave her and that she just collapsed," says Dompig.
The crime, Dompig suspects, occurred when the body was illegally disposed of. The boys may have acted alone.
"We’re not talking about killers here," he says. |
Doesn't believe the beach story, so doesn't believe 2k! Is D the smart one in the group?
page five of the above link - you should really read the whole article before commenting.
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..and Dompig quit the force a few months later after this critical last phase blew up in his face. If you want to use the 48hrs program as the be all end all...fine, but just previous to this program Dompig used his Joran "blown fuse" theory in the VF article. Even in the 48hrs program he says that Natalee may have died from drugs they gave her. That would constitute harm.
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| cajun_mali
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| hemchi wrote: | | ..and Dompig quit the force a few months later after this critical last phase blew up in his face. If you want to use the 48hrs program as the be all end all...fine, but just previous to this program Dompig used his Joran "blown fuse" theory in the VF article. Even in the 48hrs program he says that Natalee may have died from drugs they gave her. That would constitute harm. |
I think the article had something about the current theory.
Hey, do you have a link and quote?
Was this after he left? If so, was it official policy?
ALE can't seem to make up it's mind!
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Re: Is it a dead issue?
| cajun_mali wrote: |
cest moi?
Is it a mistake he is the only one?
But, the case is dead.
If it's true, it's not a rumor. |
| Quote: | | ALE didn't believe j2k harmed Natalee, so they probably didn't go to far on that avenue. |
This is your rumor.
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This is your rumor. |
Okay! This is funny.
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| hemchi wrote: | | ALE didn't believe that J2K harmed Natalee? I don't think that is true. Even Dompig said Joran may have "blew a fuse" when Natalee denied his advances. |
If you're using the vanity fair article, then I must have misread it.
| Quote: | Leaving aside Dompig's explanations and excuses, and ignoring some of the Twittys' behavior toward Arubans, one can't help but share Beth's outrage that the principal suspects in her daughter's disappearance are free. Yet, absent a body or any physical evidence, the situation is unlikely to change anytime soon. It's entirely possible, in fact, that the mystery may never be solved.
What do I think? I think Natalee died on the beach that night a couple of hundred yards north of the Marriott. Maybe she denied Joran sex and he strangled or drowned her in a fit of rage. Maybe it was alcohol poisoning. Maybe, as some have speculated, she was slipped a tablet of Ecstasy or some other drug, and she died from a lethal cocktail. |
http://www.vanityfair.com/fame/features/2006/01/natalee200601?currentPage=9
If you read it carefully, it's the writer's opinion, not Dompig's. I wondered why you didn't give me a source, and now I see why you probably didn't post it.
Of course you could have meant something else, but you didn't give me a source or quote, so we are stuck with what I read.
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No it wasn't just the writers opinion, if you read it carefully you would have read this coming from Dompig, not the opinion of the writer, from Vanity Fair:
Moreover, Dompig says, this summer F.B.I. profilers completed a detailed psychological evaluation. "He struck us, and the F.B.I., as a guy who can make you believe he's God's gift to mothers-in-law," Dompig says. "But if you look at his actions, he's anything but. The F.B.I. profiled him as a person who never has been corrected by his parents. He's the boss of what happens in that house. He's the boss in the family. He is allowed to do anything.… If a person like that is in a position where a person says, 'No,' well, that person may change completely. Maybe he blew a fuse when she wouldn't have sex with him, and something happened."
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Moreover, Dompig says, this summer F.B.I. profilers completed a detailed psychological evaluation. "He struck us, and the F.B.I., as a guy who can make you believe he's God's gift to mothers-in-law," Dompig says. "But if you look at his actions, he's anything but. The F.B.I. profiled him as a person who never has been corrected by his parents. He's the boss of what happens in that house. He's the boss in the family. He is allowed to do anything.… If a person like that is in a position where a person says, 'No,' well, that person may change completely. Maybe he blew a fuse when she wouldn't have sex with him, and something happened."
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Not the author's opinion. IMO
http://www.vanityfair.com/fame/features/2006/01/natalee200601?currentPage=9
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No it wasn't just the writers opinion, if you read it carefully you would have read this coming from Dompig, not the opinion of the writer, from Vanity Fair:
Moreover, Dompig says, this summer F.B.I. profilers completed a detailed psychological evaluation. "He struck us, and the F.B.I., as a guy who can make you believe he's God's gift to mothers-in-law," Dompig says. "But if you look at his actions, he's anything but. The F.B.I. profiled him as a person who never has been corrected by his parents. He's the boss of what happens in that house. He's the boss in the family. He is allowed to do anything.… If a person like that is in a position where a person says, 'No,' well, that person may change completely. Maybe he blew a fuse when she wouldn't have sex with him, and something happened." |
Don't be a poo poo. I asked for a quote and source, and it wasn't given. Yes, I missed that, thank you for bringing to my attention. Where did Dompig say that was part of ALE's theory of what happened? In the CBS article, it's stated bluntly they believed j2k didn't harm Natalee; not the could have in the Vanity Fair article.
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The "We are Not a Crook" speech.
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| resigned wrote: | Moreover, Dompig says, this summer F.B.I. profilers completed a detailed psychological evaluation. "He struck us, and the F.B.I., as a guy who can make you believe he's God's gift to mothers-in-law," Dompig says. "But if you look at his actions, he's anything but. The F.B.I. profiled him as a person who never has been corrected by his parents. He's the boss of what happens in that house. He's the boss in the family. He is allowed to do anything.… If a person like that is in a position where a person says, 'No,' well, that person may change completely. Maybe he blew a fuse when she wouldn't have sex with him, and something happened."
Dompig says
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Not the author's opinion. IMO
http://www.vanityfair.com/fame/features/2006/01/natalee200601?currentPage=9 |
What does "maybe" mean? Where is it stated this is an official ALE position?
What does this mean?
| Quote: | "We feel strongly that she probably went into shock or something happened to her system with all this alcohol maybe on top of that other drugs which either she took or they gave her and that she just collapsed," says Dompig.
The crime, Dompig suspects, occurred when the body was illegally disposed of. The boys may have acted alone.
"We’re not talking about killers here," he says. |
To me "maybe" means ... well ... maybe.
The statement seems the position of ALE.
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Sat Jan 23, 2010 10:19 pm |
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| cajun_mali wrote: |
To me "maybe" means ... well ... maybe.
The statement seems the position of ALE. |
http://www.learningannex.com/
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What was the point?
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What was the point?
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Do we have a video of the comments Dompig made from CBS and Vanity Fair that cover the quotes above?
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Sat Jan 23, 2010 10:36 pm |
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| cajun_mali wrote: | | Do we have a video of the comments Dompig made from CBS and Vanity Fair that cover the quotes above? |
Maybe.
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| resigned wrote: | Moreover, Dompig says, this summer F.B.I. profilers completed a detailed psychological evaluation. "He struck us, and the F.B.I., as a guy who can make you believe he's God's gift to mothers-in-law," Dompig says. "But if you look at his actions, he's anything but. The F.B.I. profiled him as a person who never has been corrected by his parents. He's the boss of what happens in that house. He's the boss in the family. He is allowed to do anything.… If a person like that is in a position where a person says, 'No,' well, that person may change completely. Maybe he blew a fuse when she wouldn't have sex with him, and something happened."
Dompig says
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Not the author's opinion. IMO
http://www.vanityfair.com/fame/features/2006/01/natalee200601?currentPage=9 |
Is this Dompig's opinion, or Dompig reporting the opinion of the profiler? I'm assuming we don't have a video.
Here's part of the other.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pnvU1rZGXo
I wonder who "they" are? An opinion based on a picture!
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| cajun_mali wrote: |
Is this Dompig's opinion, or Dompig reporting the opinion of the profiler? I'm assuming we don't have a video.
Here's part of the other.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pnvU1rZGXo
I wonder who "they" are? An opinion based on a picture! |
Ask Joran - he knows. Maybe he is getting weary of all this nonsense....or needs more money.
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Ask Joran - he knows. Maybe he is getting weary of all this nonsense....or needs more money. |
It's what Dompig said, so why ask Joran? Besides, you and I keep saying Joran is a liar.
Dompig's statement is more nuanced here, it gives wiggle room for "they" accidently helping Natalee over the edge. It doesn't sound quite as absolute. I'd have thought a smart poster like you would have commented on that, but maybe you're not as sharp as I thought.
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| cajun_mali wrote: |
Don't be a poo poo. I asked for a quote and source, and it wasn't given. Yes, I missed that, thank you for bringing to my attention. Where did Dompig say that was part of ALE's theory of what happened? In the CBS article, it's stated bluntly they believed j2k didn't harm Natalee; not the could have in the Vanity Fair article. |
Stated bluntly, not could have? Seriously?
In context:
"We feel strongly that she probably went into shock or something happened to her system with all this alcohol maybe on top of that other drugs which either she took or they gave her and that she just collapsed," says Dompig.
The crime, Dompig suspects, occurred when the body was illegally disposed of. The boys may have acted alone.
"We’re not talking about killers here," he says.
Or, as Dompig reveals for the first time, they could have had accomplices.
"New people are coming in the picture. It is possible that there was a second group involved, or more people than these three boys," he says.
Dompig speculates the body was hastily buried once, and that those extra accomplices may have been needed to move it to a more hidden location.
These latest developments, the new witness, the chance of an accidental death by overdose, and the possibility of additional accomplices re-locating the body, have changed Dompig’s view of the case.
"I'm convinced that there's no thing as a crime of this proportion, which goes unseen. There's the information on there. And we just have to get it," he says.
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Nah, no maybes, might have beens, could be, possibly, there.. 
Here is something he does state bluntly though:
Dompig notes that police don't have any proof that Natalee used drugs but "that they saw her with drugs in her possession."
Hmmmm....so ALE has none of that corroborating e-v-i-d-e-n-c-e that's required to come to a 'conclusion' about Natalee's cause of death or manner of death but 'we' like their 'theory' that it could have been an overdose and making ASSumptions about a missing human being is all that's required when it comes to concluding that she od'd......why doesn't that surprise me..
So what exactly, since they didn't have Natalee's body to do an autopsy, did they base their bluntly stated opinion/conclusion that she wasn't harmed if it wasn't just one of their theories among other theories?
Dompig sure did use the word 'crime' a lot.....doesn't he know there's no evidence of any crime??
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