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prolific
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Does what Dompig said here in 48 hours count too...or is this where we revert back to bad, bad, Dompig just trying to railroad and scape goat a sweet innocent personable young lad? Or are these just more theories too, means nothing?
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Dompig acknowledges Joran was afforded some special legal protections because he was 17 years old at the time of his arrest. Dompig says that did complicate matters. "Yes, that complicated matters seriously because he had more visiting rights with his father — his father being a judge in training was a problem for us because he could give his son certain advice."
Dompig says he believes Paulus van der Sloot does know more than he has been telling about the circumstances surrounding Holloway's disappearance.
Authorities now believe that the teenager's body may be buried somewhere among some dunes, but not because it washed ashore. The Aruban authorities’ new theory is that someone, someone possibly very close to the young suspects, took the time to carefully hide the body, not once but maybe twice, literally re-burying her.
But Dompig is optimistic that answers will be found. "We are that much closer to knowing what really happened to Natalee," he says. "A crime like this cannot go unsolved."
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| cajun_mali
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| prolific wrote: | | cajun_mali wrote: |
Don't be a poo poo. I asked for a quote and source, and it wasn't given. Yes, I missed that, thank you for bringing to my attention. Where did Dompig say that was part of ALE's theory of what happened? In the CBS article, it's stated bluntly they believed j2k didn't harm Natalee; not the could have in the Vanity Fair article. |
Stated bluntly, not could have? Seriously?
In context:
"We feel strongly that she probably went into shock or something happened to her system with all this alcohol maybe on top of that other drugs which either she took or they gave her and that she just collapsed," says Dompig.
The crime, Dompig suspects, occurred when the body was illegally disposed of. The boys may have acted alone.
"We’re not talking about killers here," he says.
Or, as Dompig reveals for the first time, they could have had accomplices.
"New people are coming in the picture. It is possible that there was a second group involved, or more people than these three boys," he says.
Dompig speculates the body was hastily buried once, and that those extra accomplices may have been needed to move it to a more hidden location.
These latest developments, the new witness, the chance of an accidental death by overdose, and the possibility of additional accomplices re-locating the body, have changed Dompig’s view of the case.
"I'm convinced that there's no thing as a crime of this proportion, which goes unseen. There's the information on there. And we just have to get it," he says.
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Nah, no maybes, might have beens, could be, possibly, there.. 
Here is something he does state bluntly though:
Dompig notes that police don't have any proof that Natalee used drugs but "that they saw her with drugs in her possession."
Hmmmm....so ALE has none of that corroborating e-v-i-d-e-n-c-e that's required to come to a 'conclusion' about Natalee's cause of death or manner of death but 'we' like their 'theory' that it could have been an overdose and making ASSumptions about a missing human being is all that's required when it comes to concluding that she od'd......why doesn't that surprise me..So what exactly, since they didn't have NAtalee's body to do an autopsy, did they base their bluntly stated opinion/conclusion that she wasn't harmed if it wasn't just one of their theories among other theories?
Dompig sure did use the word 'crime' a lot.....doesn't he know there's no evidence of any crime?? |
Oh, Mr POOPOO, you're so behind. I was talking to resigned about the unknown "they". If you read carefully, its all theory with no evidence.
YOU didn't provide source, probably didn't know it until I posted it. I POSTED it, as well as the source of the video.
Once again, "they" is a broad term. Does it cover MB students? Other C&C customers? I'll tell you who it did include, Natalee herself.
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Mon Jan 25, 2010 12:13 pm |
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| cajun_mali wrote: |
Oh, Mr POOPOO, you're so behind. I was talking to resigned about the unknown "they". If you read carefully, its all theory with no evidence.
YOU didn't provide source, probably didn't know it until I posted it. I POSTED it, as well as the source of the video.
Once again, "they" is a broad term. Does it cover MB students? Other C&C customers? I'll tell you who it did include, Natalee herself. |
Pardon me...Mr PooPoo??
No what I quoted was a response you made to me not resigned..
cajun_mali wrote:
Don't be a poo poo. I asked for a quote and source, and it wasn't given. Yes, I missed that, thank you for bringing to my attention. Where did Dompig say that was part of ALE's theory of what happened? In the CBS article, it's stated bluntly they believed j2k didn't harm Natalee; not the could have in the Vanity Fair article.
I posted all of those 'could haves' that you claimed weren't in the 48 hours interview. Why would I need to post the source again since it was all right there the same 48 hours interview?
Yes, you betcha it is supposed to be all about Natalee not Beth but Natalee....
"Dompig notes that police don't have any proof that Natalee used drugs but "that they saw her with drugs in her possession."
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Mon Jan 25, 2010 12:23 pm |
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| prolific wrote: |
Pardon me...Mr PooPoo??
No what I quoted was a response you made to me not resigned..
cajun_mali wrote:
Don't be a poo poo. I asked for a quote and source, and it wasn't given. Yes, I missed that, thank you for bringing to my attention. Where did Dompig say that was part of ALE's theory of what happened? In the CBS article, it's stated bluntly they believed j2k didn't harm Natalee; not the could have in the Vanity Fair article.
I posted all of those 'could haves' that you claimed weren't in the 48 hours interview. Why would I need to post the source again since it was all right there the same 48 hours interview?
Yes, you betcha it is supposed to be all about Natalee not Beth but Natalee....
"Dompig notes that police don't have any proof that Natalee used drugs but "that they saw her with drugs in her possession." |
You know what's really awful, Dompig decided Natalee was over the edge from a lousy photo.
Get over it, and tell me who "they" is.
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Mon Jan 25, 2010 12:31 pm |
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| cajun_mali wrote: |
You know what's really awful, Dompig decided Natalee was over the edge from a lousy photo.
Get over it, and tell me who "they" is. |
Pardon me again...get over it??
Sure I'll tell you who 'they' is...just read what you, yourself posted about what Dompig 'bluntly' said which was the reason for your thread, here you go, not really that complicated.
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And there’s another stunning revelation from the authorities: Though they’re convinced Holloway is dead, they tell 48 Hours that they believe she was not murdered.
"This was a highly intoxicated body of a very small person," says Dompig.
Dompig laid out the latest scenario of what happened after Natalee was last seen driving off with van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers shortly after 1 a.m. He says investigators think the group did not go to the beach but that they possibly brought Natalie back to the van der Sloots' home. (The MBers took Natalee back to the VDS house? Natalee went all by herself to the VDS house?)
Wherever she was, police now think that while Natalee was with Joran, she died suddenly from an overdose of intoxicants.
"We feel strongly that she probably went into shock or something happened to her system with all this alcohol maybe on top of that other drugs which either she took or they gave her and that she just collapsed," says Dompig. (Did the MBers run over to the VDS house while Natalee was with Joran and give her something that caused her to overdose?)
The crime, Dompig suspects, occurred when the body was illegally disposed of. The boys may have acted alone.
"We’re not talking about killers here," he says.
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Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:34 pm |
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Joran van der Sloot knows.
No one has seen or heard from Natalee Holloway since the wee hours of May 30, 2005. Van der Sloot claims he left her "at the beach".
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Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:15 pm |
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| Quote: |
"We’re not talking about killers here," he says. |
Read that last sentence ... It sounds like j2k didn't take any action to harm Natalee. Who is they?
If the "they" who MIGHT have given Natalee more drugs, something there is NO evidence of, remember Dompig saying there was NO evidence Natalee took or was given drugs, then "they" harmed and killed Natalee.
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Since we are parsing:
| Quote: | | The crime, Dompig suspects, occurred when the body was illegally disposed of. The boys may have acted alone. |
All ALE believes is j2k disposed of Natalee's body. At least that was what the writer got from Dompig.
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Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:37 pm |
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| resigned wrote: | Joran van der Sloot knows.
No one has seen or heard from Natalee Holloway since the wee hours of May 30, 2005. Van der Sloot claims he left her "at the beach". |
And ALE doesn't believe the beach story, which means j2k seem to be lumped together again.
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Mon Jan 25, 2010 4:36 pm |
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| cajun_mali wrote: |
And ALE doesn't believe the beach story, which means j2k seem to be lumped together again. |
No one has seen or heard from Natalee Holloway since the wee hours of May, 30, 2005. Joran Van der Sloot claims he left "at the beach" - - to repeat - no one has seen or heard from Natalee since then.
Joran is a world well-reknowned liar.....
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Mon Jan 25, 2010 4:43 pm |
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| resigned wrote: |
No one has seen or heard from Natalee Holloway since the wee hours of May, 30, 2005. Joran Van der Sloot claims he left "at the beach" - - to repeat - no one has seen or heard from Natalee since then.
Joran is a world well-reknowned liar..... |
j2k claimed to have left Natalee at the beach. Once at the same time, once the brothers first. The police don't believe the beach story, you've said you don't, so why argue about it?
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| K_Meine
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Go to the 5 minute 3 second (5:03) mark and listen to the following:
| Quote: | INTERVIEWER: "How soon after Natalee was reported missing did you begin conducting surveillance on the three boys?"
DOMPIG: "Three Days" |
Notice the immediate CUT after his response and the change of camera angle.
THREE DAYS of uninterrupted, unsupervised freedom to do absolutely whatever they wanted. No evidence, no body, no crime scene, no shit. Dompig's response may very well be why this case will never be solved. If you're going to wait that long why even start. That is simply ridiculous.
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October 2005 -
| Quote: | Dompig: <snip>
Thirdly, don‘t forget that we have very soon, within the window frame of eight, nine days, we started to monitor them, meaning that sometimes choosing the moment of arresting depends on whether you think that you have monitored enough or that you want to monitor a little further.
ABRAMS: Right.
DOMPIG: So, without really going into specific details, I‘m just trying to explain to you that the moment of arrest doesn‘t really say anything about the fact that we—what we thought of them, or what we planned, or even what we knew of them. |
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9679791/
.... and I thought that they had to wait for cameras from Holland to interview them.
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What does it take to get thru to some of you???
Deactivations & Bannings are issued
Timeouts are issued...depending on the "offense" some are short some are longER
In addition, many are let back in [in some cases a dozen or more times] with alters  that perhaps this time around they've learned their lesson and will act like "civilized adults"
Warnings are issued over and over and over again
I get asked in PMs Why issue Warnings why not issue/recommend sanctions??
Well... I do in the hope there is a sliver of a chance for civility & that this forum have any discussion on it that doesn't include personal attacks, labeling, hair pulling
Plz use common~sense
& although, posters are cautioned/warned that one of the risks you take by posting here is that:
"You will read things that offend you.
You will have things said to you that you don't like.
You will be called names that you don't like.
You will have people interpret your posts erroneously."
http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/viewtopic.php?p=282083#282083
The rules still is to take poster vs. poster, baiting, hair pulling, insults to the Heated Exchange
another issue I've observed the last few weeks is this continued asking...practically demanding "answers" from a handful of posters
Nobody owes anybody answers here
Conversely, targeting, shadowing ...harassment of other posters, such as repeatedly following them from thread to thread to "dispute" them, personally is against the Forum Guidelines
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| K_Meine
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Re: Is it a dead issue?
| cajun_mali wrote: | | Quote: | Asked how he would characterize the current state of the investigation, Dompig says, "I would say 'critical last phase.'"
"Do you believe this case will be solved?" Roberts asked.
"Yes, I do," Dompig replied.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/22/48hours/main1430644.shtml
It was in a critical phase in 06, and there wasn't the predicted resolution. Is it dead in fact? Is there anything left to discover? Yes, I know, it's an open case and Joran is the "prime suspect" ( I don't know of what). ALE didn't believe j2k harmed Natalee, so they probably didn't go to far on that avenue. They seem to have left it at disposing of a body, though they can't prove one ever existed. Ambush journalism did it's best and pretty much flopped. Joran and Beth are getting on with their lives, even though Peter seems to have solved the case.
What's left? Was it a mistake to take 2k off the list of ps's (of whatever?). |
IMO the answer to "Is it a dead issue?" is YES. This issue concerns Natalee and she is in all likelihood dead. Add three unobserved days after her disappearance and she is not only dead but unrecoverable. Nothing like slammin' the barn door after the horse ran out. The use of the F-16's, the civil servants, the Dutch Marines etc was all a complete wast of time and money. The question is who couldn't get rid of a body within a day let alone three? I wonder if anyone ever triangulated J2K's cell phones the three days after Natalee disappeared.
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Re: Is it a dead issue?
| K_Meine wrote: |
IMO the answer to "Is it a dead issue?" is YES. This issue concerns Natalee and she is in all likelihood dead. Add three unobserved days after her disappearance and she is not only dead but unrecoverable. Nothing like slammin' the barn door after the horse ran out. The use of the F-16's, the civil servants, the Dutch Marines etc was all a complete wast of time and money. The question is who couldn't get rid of a body within a day let alone three? I wonder if anyone ever triangulated J2K's cell phones the three days after Natalee disappeared. |
What does the delay have to do with j2k's involvement?
Point at ALE then, not j2k.
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| K_Meine
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Re: Is it a dead issue?
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What does the delay have to do with j2k's involvement?
Point at ALE then, not j2k. |
IMO if the ALE had started "monitoring" J2K from the very moment they learned J2K were the last people seen with Natalee this case would have turned out differently. The three day delay would have allowed any one of them or all the opportunity to "clean up " any loose ends, move Natalee if need be and discuss their stories which to this day still do not agree.
I'd agree that the ALE truly dropped the ball and because of that justice will not be served, a family still mourns and the perpetrator(s) are still out on the streets with the opportunity to act again. It just doesn't seem right.
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Re: Is it a dead issue?
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IMO if the ALE had started "monitoring" J2K from the very moment they learned J2K were the last people seen with Natalee this case would have turned out differently. The three day delay would have allowed any one of them or all the opportunity to "clean up " any loose ends, move Natalee if need be and discuss their stories which to this day still do not agree.
I'd agree that the ALE truly dropped the ball and because of that justice will not be served, a family still mourns and the perpetrator(s) are still out on the streets with the opportunity to act again. It just doesn't seem right. |
You're assuming ALE would have found "something". That's assuming j2k had something to do with Natalee's disappearance.
How is justice "served" assuming j2k did "something" without any proof?
Since you brought it up, what does serving being justice mean?
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| K_Meine
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Re: Is it a dead issue?
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You're assuming ALE would have found "something". That's assuming j2k had something to do with Natalee's disappearance.
How is justice "served" assuming j2k did "something" without any proof?
Since you brought it up, what does serving being justice mean? |
Yes, admittedly I'm assuming quite a bit. However, based on their behaviors and the MULTIPLE and ever evolving stories of what transpired that evening with Natalee. Had the ALE "investigated" them from the very beginning and NOT THREE DAYS LATER they would likely have found something. If they weren't allowed that time to clean up then maybe the F16's and others would have had a better chance at finding Natalee thus hopefully yielding some clues.
By definition justice is "judgment involved in the determination of rights and the assignment of rewards and punishments". Justice isn't being served in this case nor will it because what appears to be the only allowable proof was likely disposed of during a three day hiatus by the ALE. How quickly the rights of the missing are forgotten. Let's face it, this case never had a chance and neither did Natalee with this cast of characters.
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Re: Is it a dead issue?
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Yes, admittedly I'm assuming quite a bit. However, based on their behaviors and the MULTIPLE and ever evolving stories of what transpired that evening with Natalee. Had the ALE "investigated" them from the very beginning and NOT THREE DAYS LATER they would likely have found something. If they weren't allowed that time to clean up then maybe the F16's and others would have had a better chance at finding Natalee thus hopefully yielding some clues.
By definition justice is "judgment involved in the determination of rights and the assignment of rewards and punishments". Justice isn't being served in this case nor will it because what appears to be the only allowable proof was likely disposed of during a three day hiatus by the ALE. How quickly the rights of the missing are forgotten. Let's face it, this case never had a chance and neither did Natalee with this cast of characters. |
May have allowed disposal of evidence that may have been there. Okay.
I guess j2k don't have rights. They are suspects of ... what? What's the evidence a crime has been committed?
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Re: Is it a dead issue?
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May have allowed disposal of evidence that may have been there. Okay.
I guess j2k don't have rights. They are suspects of ... what? What's the evidence a crime has been committed? |
| Quote: | Natalee Holloway Case Closed for Lack of Evidence
Tuesday December 18, 2007 12:50 PM EST
Natalee Holloway Case Closed for Lack of Evidence
Natalee Holloway
Authorities officially closed the Natalee Holloway case on Tuesday, saying there was not enough evidence to charge anyone in her 2005 disappearance.
The three young men last seen with the teen in Aruba – Joran van der Sloot and brothers Deepak and Satish Kaploe – have all been informed they will not be charged, the Public Prosecutor's Office announced, according to the Associated Press. |
What do you mean J2K don't have rights? These are just some of the RIGHTS they have enjoyed:
They have the right to lie as a defense.
They have the right to wash there cars out at any time of the night and destroy evidence.
They have the right to change their stories multiple times and not be questioned on the inconsistencies.
They have the right to make people disappear and have someone else prove whether they did it or not.
They have the right not to live by the rules.
They have right not to have a conscience.
They have a right to be silent while others suffer.
They have plenty of rights.
NONE of which Natalee received. 
Now it appears legally none of them are suspects any more for any reason. I sure hope lying becomes an acceptable form of defense everywhere. That will be a great boost for job creation.
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Re: Is it a dead issue?
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They have plenty of rights.
NONE of which Natalee received. |
But Natalee had plenty of rights too, she had the right to get stupidly drunk every night, she had the right to get stoned out of her skull, she had the right to go into a car with 3 strange boys, she had a right to call Beth "Hitler's sister" and she had a right to stay on that beach, just because.
Natalee had plenty of rights and maybe, just maybe she used the best of them all and used the right to get away from those Alabama scumbags.
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But Natalee had plenty of rights too, she had the right to get stupidly drunk every night, she had the right to get stoned out of her skull, she had the right to go into a car with 3 strange boys, she had a right to call Beth "Hitler's sister" and she had a right to stay on that beach, just because.
Natalee had plenty of rights and maybe, just maybe she used the best of them all and used the right to get away from those Alabama scumbags. |
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Re: Is it a dead issue?
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What do you mean J2K don't have rights? These are just some of the RIGHTS they have enjoyed:
They have the right to lie as a defense.
They have the right to wash there cars out at any time of the night and destroy evidence.
They have the right to change their stories multiple times and not be questioned on the inconsistencies.
They have the right to make people disappear and have someone else prove whether they did it or not.
They have the right not to live by the rules.
They have right not to have a conscience.
They have a right to be silent while others suffer.
They have plenty of rights.
NONE of which Natalee received.
Now it appears legally none of them are suspects any more for any reason. I sure hope lying becomes an acceptable form of defense everywhere. That will be a great boost for job creation. |
1) Went to jail for their liess
2) What evidence was destroyed? They'd have had to destroy the interior of D's car to do that.
3) You're arguing with Dompig here.
4) You're being funny! Who made who disappear? And the LAW says someone else has to prove it.
5) Well, that's this whole post!
6) You don't have one, accusing without proof.
7) Do you want to beat something out of 2k?
 The right to stay in jail for months without evidence of a crime PERIOD
9) What happened to Natalee? What happened to Natalee? etc
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fortunately there are some
important safeguards against the tyranny of the state and the angry mob. we have due process of law. the accused are protected. i wouldn't want it any other way. if the state has something let them go to court and present it to a judge.
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