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cajun_mali
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Mon Feb 01, 2010 1:43 pm |
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Has all the evidence been leaked out and seen already?
Did Patrick give ALE just what we saw? The rest was disposed of? Did they learn from Skeeters?
And the little thing from Holland with J and the 2 cops shown to the world.
I think we know EVERYTHING ALE knows.
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| dugo
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Mon Feb 01, 2010 2:04 pm |
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Beths statement she claims to be altered, anyone? Never seen it..
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| K_Meine
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Mon Feb 01, 2010 2:23 pm |
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Re: Has all the evidence been leaked out and seen already?
| cajun_mali wrote: | Did Patrick give ALE just what we saw? The rest was disposed of? Did they learn from Skeeters?
And the little thing from Holland with J and the 2 cops shown to the world.
I think we know EVERYTHING ALE knows. |
Neither one us knows what happened the first three days J2K weren't being monitored. That information is priceless.
Caption: Look at me. I actually have two secrets.
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| hemchi
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Mon Feb 01, 2010 2:28 pm |
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Joran's statement given on the night of 6/10/05, where he claims he "broke"...never seen it.
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| cajun_mali
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Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:01 am |
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Re: Has all the evidence been leaked out and seen already?
[quote="K_Meine"]
Neither one us knows what happened the first three days J2K weren't being monitored. That information is priceless.
I thought I questioned if we know what ALE knows, not what they don't know.
What does a naked picture of Joran have to do with this? What's the point? Does it make you right?
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| cajun_mali
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Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:12 am |
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| dugo wrote: | | Beths statement she claims to be altered, anyone? Never seen it.. |
What evidence would Beth have possible given about the disappearance of Natalee?
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| Knipoog
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Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:47 am |
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Re: Has all the evidence been leaked out and seen already?
| cajun_mali wrote: | Did Patrick give ALE just what we saw? The rest was disposed of? Did they learn from Skeeters?
And the little thing from Holland with J and the 2 cops shown to the world.
I think we know EVERYTHING ALE knows. |
Don't think so.
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| cajun_mali
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Tue Feb 02, 2010 2:06 pm |
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Re: Has all the evidence been leaked out and seen already?
| Knipoog wrote: |
Don't think so. |
How come?
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| K_Meine
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Tue Feb 02, 2010 3:25 pm |
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Re: Has all the evidence been leaked out and seen already?
[quote="cajun_mali"] | K_Meine wrote: |
Neither one us knows what happened the first three days J2K weren't being monitored. That information is priceless.
I thought I questioned if we know what ALE knows, not what they don't know.
What does a naked picture of Joran have to do with this? What's the point? Does it make you right? |
Ok, Ok. Take it easy. As you mentioned the other day me thinks you might be taking this all a bit too seriously and you may be the only one at this point. I read your initial question and IMO my response was fair. Neither one of us knows anything about what happened those first three days and AFAIC that's the information that matters the most.
Do I think we know all that the ALE knows? Absolutely not. On the other hand, I think that even if they did they wouldn't do anything with it. Do you know the backlash they would endure if after all this time pertinent information was somehow made public? IMHO there is/was someone who knows enough information in the ALE to have brought this case to a conclusion but the reasons not to far outweighs the reasons to do the right thing. Suffice it to say there are several entities who have benefited from the "no body, No case" rule.
Why the picture? Just adding a little levity.
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| cajun_mali
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Tue Feb 02, 2010 8:39 pm |
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Re: Has all the evidence been leaked out and seen already?
| K_Meine wrote: |
Ok, Ok. Take it easy. As you mentioned the other day me thinks you might be taking this all a bit too seriously and you may be the only one at this point. I read your initial question and IMO my response was fair. Neither one of us knows anything about what happened those first three days and AFAIC that's the information that matters the most.
Do I think we know all that the ALE knows? Absolutely not. On the other hand, I think that even if they did they wouldn't do anything with it. Do you know the backlash they would endure if after all this time pertinent information was somehow made public? IMHO there is/was someone who knows enough information in the ALE to have brought this case to a conclusion but the reasons not to far outweighs the reasons to do the right thing. Suffice it to say there are several entities who have benefited from the "no body, No case" rule.
Why the picture? Just adding a little levity. |
Many people get convicted without a body.
Opinion, yours or mine, is neither proof nor fact.
You say I take this too seriously ... how long have YOU been peddling your two cents?
No-one .. NO-ONE ... at ALE is covering for j2k. None has ever.
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| iquitos
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Tue Feb 02, 2010 8:48 pm |
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i think we have it all
in very general terms. hint: years later they have not charged him with any offense related to the disappearance of natalee holloway. they must not have much on him.
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| billybob
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Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:49 pm |
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Well when all else fails to create a topic to discuss, lets bring out "the Picture" again!!!
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| Linda in L.A.
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Wed Feb 03, 2010 5:59 am |
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| billybob wrote: | | Well when all else fails to create a topic to discuss, lets bring out "the Picture" again!!! |
Least its not photoshopped billybob...and in my opinion...not as bad as a cow with Natalee's face on it and her mother milking the cow.
As for if we have seen all of the evidence. In my opinion...of course we haven't. There would be no way to leak all the info ALE has. Some of the evidence may be relevant...some may not, which explains why Joran has not been arrested. There is obviously enough evidence for Joran to remain a suspect. That doesn't mean the evidence is strong enough to arrest him or anyone else.
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| cajun_mali
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Wed Feb 03, 2010 6:29 am |
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| Linda in L.A. wrote: |
Least its not photoshopped billybob...and in my opinion...not as bad as a cow with Natalee's face on it and her mother milking the cow.
As for if we have seen all of the evidence. In my opinion...of course we haven't. There would be no way to leak all the info ALE has. Some of the evidence may be relevant...some may not, which explains why Joran has not been arrested. There is obviously enough evidence for Joran to remain a suspect. That doesn't mean the evidence is strong enough to arrest him or anyone else. |
If it's not relevant, it's not evidence. I think Joran was removed as a suspect once, but blabbed to some camera afterwards. If he keeps his mouth shut, he will be removed as a suspect again. He'll be in the same limbo as 2k. There isn't anything we don't know.
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| billybob
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Wed Feb 03, 2010 8:44 am |
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| Linda in L.A. wrote: |
Least its not photoshopped billybob...and in my opinion...not as bad as a cow with Natalee's face on it and her mother milking the cow.
As for if we have seen all of the evidence. In my opinion...of course we haven't. There would be no way to leak all the info ALE has. Some of the evidence may be relevant...some may not, which explains why Joran has not been arrested. There is obviously enough evidence for Joran to remain a suspect. That doesn't mean the evidence is strong enough to arrest him or anyone else. |
If there were any evidence of any crime then the gents would have been taken to court and charged. Obviously that did not happen, so whether we have seen anything more is irrelevant. They have nothing, maybe a tremendous stack of paperwork is all. Probably similar to the Natalee threads here.
But still no evidence of a crime!!
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| K_Meine
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Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:12 am |
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Re: Has all the evidence been leaked out and seen already?
| cajun_mali wrote: |
Many people get convicted without a body. True, so why should this case be any different?
Opinion, yours or mine, is neither proof nor fact. .........
You say I take this too seriously ... how long have YOU been peddling your two cents? No, I think you take offense to others not being in total agreement with you to personally. The only thing I peddle is my bike. I just have some varying views than yours and that is completely alright. This isn't about being right or wrong.
No-one .. NO-ONE ... at ALE is covering for j2k. None has ever.
First off you can't possibly make that claim as there is no way to back it up. Even Hero Brinkman said the Aruban police force was corrupt as hell. After gifting J2K three days of free time. The ALE was incapable of gathering any information which would be worthy of covering up. IMO the toxic combination of corruption and incompetence was a major factor in the way this case turned out. |
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| Linda in L.A.
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Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:28 am |
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| billybob wrote: |
If there were any evidence of any crime then the gents would have been taken to court and charged. Obviously that did not happen, so whether we have seen anything more is irrelevant. They have nothing, maybe a tremendous stack of paperwork is all. Probably similar to the Natalee threads here.
But still no evidence of a crime!! |
Except this thread is about if we have seen all the evidence...not if there is evidence of a crime. And if you read my post billybob...my point was...if there was evidence it wouldn't be strong enough to arrest or convict. AGAIN...does not mean there is no evidence of a crime. That's merely what posters say...not police.
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| Linda in L.A.
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Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:32 am |
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| cajun_mali wrote: |
If it's not relevant, it's not evidence. I think Joran was removed as a suspect once, but blabbed to some camera afterwards. If he keeps his mouth shut, he will be removed as a suspect again. He'll be in the same limbo as 2k. There isn't anything we don't know. |
lol...you are wrong cajun. Just because infor or evidence isn't strong enough to arrest...makes it neither "not relevant" nor "not evidence".
The fact that Joran was removed as a suspect, blabbed and was once again made a suspect should tell you something. Why hasn't he been removed again? Perhaps they found something and decided to continue holding him. Maybe not. I don't know...but neither do you.
You posting over and over "there isn't anything we don't know" is silly. I suppose if you want to say its your opinion...you are more than entitled to say that...but to say it as fact is just wrong.
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| billybob
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Wed Feb 03, 2010 11:12 am |
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| Linda in L.A. wrote: |
Except this thread is about if we have seen all the evidence...not if there is evidence of a crime. And if you read my post billybob...my point was...if there was evidence it wouldn't be strong enough to arrest or convict. AGAIN...does not mean there is no evidence of a crime. That's merely what posters say...not police. |
One thing we should all hope for is that we do not know 1/10 about this case as Aruba Law Enforcement.
As far as posters and their speculations ... I guess it is their favorite pass time. So enjoy!
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| cajun_mali
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Wed Feb 03, 2010 11:20 am |
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| Linda in L.A. wrote: |
lol...you are wrong cajun. Just because infor or evidence isn't strong enough to arrest...makes it neither "not relevant" nor "not evidence".
The fact that Joran was removed as a suspect, blabbed and was once again made a suspect should tell you something. Why hasn't he been removed again? Perhaps they found something and decided to continue holding him. Maybe not. I don't know...but neither do you.
You posting over and over "there isn't anything we don't know" is silly. I suppose if you want to say its your opinion...you are more than entitled to say that...but to say it as fact is just wrong. |
Dugo brought up Beth's statements that weren't released. They simply weren't relevant. They had no information about Natalee's disappearance.
It tells me Joran will be off the suspect list shortly if he wants to be. It says there is no more. It says there was no evidence from anything Peter gave ALE.
Silly or not, it is, in my opinion, very likely. It's what I thought when the Dutch police tape was released.
Other than the statements of 3 known liars, there is no evidence Joran was the last known person to be with Natalee. We have conflicting statements from the other grads. Dompig said ALE didn't believe the beach story.
Yes, I now believe we know all ALE knows.
I've been told so many times this is a discussion group. I wanted to start a discussion for others to agree or disagree with.
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| cajun_mali
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Wed Feb 03, 2010 1:01 pm |
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Evidence and non-evidence has been leaked from the beginning. Ale leaked to Beth who leaked to the press.
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| luvslalom
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Wed Feb 03, 2010 2:23 pm |
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| cajun_mali wrote: | | Evidence and non-evidence has been leaked from the beginning. Ale leaked to Beth who leaked to the press. |
I knew the "raped" and "murdered" had to come from someone there.
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| K_Meine
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Wed Feb 03, 2010 4:16 pm |
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| luvslalom wrote: |
I knew the "raped" and "murdered" had to come from someone there. |
Here, here. I too never thought Beth concocted the Natalee was drugged and gang raped story on her own. She was fed that line from someone else. Probably some law enforcement personnel whom she thought she could count on for honest information.
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| cajun_mali
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Wed Feb 03, 2010 4:57 pm |
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| K_Meine wrote: |
Here, here. I too never thought Beth concocted the Natalee was drugged and gang raped story on her own. She was fed that line from someone else. Probably some law enforcement personnel whom she thought she could count on for honest information. |
I guess that means you don't believe Dompig again.
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| Slickster
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Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:31 pm |
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3 days....
| K_Meine wrote: |
Ok, Ok. Take it easy. As you mentioned the other day me thinks you might be taking this all a bit too seriously and you may be the only one at this point. I read your initial question and IMO my response was fair. Neither one of us knows anything about what happened those first three days and AFAIC that's the information that matters the most.
Do I think we know all that the ALE knows? Absolutely not. On the other hand, I think that even if they did they wouldn't do anything with it. Do you know the backlash they would endure if after all this time pertinent information was somehow made public? IMHO there is/was someone who knows enough information in the ALE to have brought this case to a conclusion but the reasons not to far outweighs the reasons to do the right thing. Suffice it to say there are several entities who have benefited from the "no body, No case" rule.
Why the picture? Just adding a little levity. |
1. reported missing Monday
[1 day]
2. The Alabamy Posse flies in Monday which rolls over to early Tuesday, the boys id'd.
[2 days]
3. Those boys go in Tuesday to give a statement.
4. Wednesday, start monitoring them
[3 days]
Where exactly in that should ALE been monitoring them any sooner?
They were already all over them.
Meanwhile.... the Alabamy Posse is everywhere making their own tracks on who and what they want monitored.
Thomas Twitty lawyers up.
It's all good for the good ol boys of Mountain Brook, Alabamy.
And......
Francess Ellen Byrd. 
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