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victims cry
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Thu Jun 01, 2006 7:25 pm |
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Refs 1st Mystery Challenge. Fun! Come on sleuths!
Ok, we are having our first solve the mystery challenge here. While news is slower, and also for fun, lets see who solves this first. 3 clues are scattered on the FIRST pages of threads in forums on the Index page. It means you will need to find the clues, and also solve the mystery so its a twofer! Treasure hunt and mystery, and a chance to see whats on the other forums.
CLUES ARE NOT IN HE FORUM AND ALL THINGS MESSAGE BOARD CATEGORY so dont look for them there.
| Quote: | ONE MORNING AT THE FESTIVAL . Who stole miss porky pine.
The village of Knordwyn in Northumbria, England, was celebrating its annual Queen Anne Festival. For several August days, people from around the shire came to enjoy craft displays, athletic competitions, farm shows, and cooking and music contests.
Also attending the festival was Thomas P. Stanwick, the amateur logician. He visited the village every year or two, and found Knordwynians invariably intriguing: about half were lifelong liars, and the rest were lifelong truthtellers. Conversations with them were thus real tests of his skill at deduction.
On the second festival day, Stanwick arrived at the grounds early to see the pigs. He was curious to see a particularly hefty specimen named Miss Porky Pine (because of her prickly disposition, according to a wag at the village pub). When he reached the stalls, however, he found hers empty and her owner, Ian Craigmore, angrily questioning three men and a woman. Upon seeing Stanwick, Craigmore turned to him.
“Tom, my lad,” he sputtered, “someone stole Miss Porky Pine from her stall last night. It must have been one thief: she is nervous and squeals loudly if two try to handle her.”
“And you suspect these four?”
“Yes. Charles Hagman, Thomas Leary, and Dora Glasker are festival attendants, and Louis Parrella was cooking a suspiciously early barbecue not far from the festival grounds, so I brought him over. All four are from the village.”
Stanwick knew Craigmore to be a villager and a truthteller. Turning to the suspects, he asked if they could tell him anything about the theft.
“Louis never attends the festival,” said Hagman. “Also, Thomas and Dora are not both truthtellers.”
“Dora stole the pig,” announced Leary. “She and Louis are both liars.”
Glasker cleared her throat angrily. “Neither Charles nor Thomas is the thief,” she said. “Louis attends the festival every other year.”
“Either Dora or Thomas is a liar,” stated Parrella. “The thief, however, is not Charles or Dora.”
Stanwick smiled pleasantly.
“In an admittedly indirect way,” he said, “you’ve been very helpful. And now,” he continued, turning to one of them, “perhaps you could tell us why you stole the portly pig.”
WHO STOLE MISS PORKY PINE?
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Clue 1 in olive.
Clue 2 in dark red
Clue 3. in Indigo
obviously if i posted the clues myself they would be easy to find, so i have edited a couple of posts, putting the clues in color at the end of them. THey will be removed when the mystery is solved 
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| victims cry
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Thu Jun 01, 2006 7:34 pm |
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and feel free to argue it out here
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| victims cry
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Thu Jun 01, 2006 7:41 pm |
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well heck i cant start cause i know the answer! 
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| FocusFactor
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Thu Jun 01, 2006 7:44 pm |
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What is the prize? Trip to Aruba?
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| victims cry
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Thu Jun 01, 2006 7:47 pm |
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| FocusFactor wrote: | | What is the prize? Trip to Aruba? |
 me not giving you trouble for two hours!
Hey we have spent a year on this insoluble so far mystery. The one i posted doesnt even need clues and is billed as a 5 minute solve lmao
so for sure our posters should come up with the right answer
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| RatPatrol
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Thu Jun 01, 2006 8:27 pm |
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So I think I have the answer. Am I supposed to post it or what? Wouldn't posting it kinda blow it for everybody else??
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| Spuds
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Thu Jun 01, 2006 8:27 pm |
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I say Louis. So it will probably be someone else. 
BTW where the hell are the clues?????
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| victims cry
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Thu Jun 01, 2006 8:31 pm |
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| Spuds wrote: | I say Louis. So it will probably be someone else.
BTW where the hell are the clues????? |
well why do you think that?
one is under Healthcare in the Political talk forum 
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| Maybelline
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Thu Jun 01, 2006 8:39 pm |
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I'm terrible at these. It scrambles my brain. But I'm curious to see the answer and the logic.
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| RatPatrol
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Thu Jun 01, 2006 8:44 pm |
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I say it is THOMAS Leary.
Try an initial assumption that CHARLES is truthful. He says:
“Louis never attends the festival,” “Thomas and Dora are not both truthtellers.”
Which contradicts DORA (in re. Louis) , who says:
“Neither Charles nor Thomas is the thief,” “Louis attends the festival every other year.”
Thus, DORA = LIAR. Meaning, either CHARLES or THOMAS is the thief.
LOUIS says:
“Either Dora or Thomas is a liar,” “The thief is not Charles or Dora.”
First part is true, so LOUIS = TRUTH.
And THOMAS says:
“Dora stole the pig,” “She and Louis are both liars.”
But we just decided Louis is truthful, so THOMAS = LIAR.
Recap... CHARLES and LOUIS = TRUTH, DORA & THOMAS = LIAR
LIAR DORA said “Neither Charles nor Thomas is the thief,” so that means one of them IS.
TRUTHFUL LOUIS said “The thief is not Charles or Dora.”
So Dora narrowed it down to CHARLES or THOMAS. Louis eliminated CHARLES.
So it must be THOMAS.
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| THolloway
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Thu Jun 01, 2006 8:45 pm |
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its Louis
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| RatPatrol
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Thu Jun 01, 2006 8:47 pm |
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| THolloway wrote: | | its Louis |
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| RatPatrol
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Thu Jun 01, 2006 8:48 pm |
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| Spuds wrote: | I say Louis. So it will probably be someone else.
BTW where the hell are the clues????? |
I stole them all and now I'm sitting on top of them. Wanna try and take 'em away from me? C'mon, try it
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| xxjenniferdawnxx
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Thu Jun 01, 2006 8:50 pm |
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Good job, RatPatrol.
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| THolloway
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Thu Jun 01, 2006 8:54 pm |
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If Louis is a truthteller, and he says EitherDora or Thomas is a liar, i read it to mean one or the other, not both.
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| victims cry
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Thu Jun 01, 2006 8:55 pm |
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So we have one Thomas Leary and one Louis.
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any other ideas out there?
10 mins to go
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| xxjenniferdawnxx
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Thu Jun 01, 2006 8:58 pm |
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| THolloway wrote: | | If Louis is a truthteller, and he says EitherDora or Thomas is a liar, i read it to mean one or the other, not both. |
The clue VC posted said Hagman is not a liar, so Dora and Thomas both are liars. Louis is automatically a truth teller then because there's two of both. RatPatrol's logic is right on.
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Hold on. I misread something. I thought Hagman said they are both not truthtellers rather than what he really said was they both are not truthtellers. It makes it a bit different.
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It still doesn't change that Leary took the porky pine because of this:
Glasker cleared her throat angrily. “Neither Charles nor Thomas is the thief,” she said. “Louis attends the festival every other year.”
“Either Dora or Thomas is a liar,” stated Parrella. “The thief, however, is not Charles or Dora.”
Louis is a truth teller who says Charles and Dora are not the thiefs. Glasker lied saying Charles nor Thomas is the thief. They contradict each other leaving Leary to be the thief.
Last edited by xxjenniferdawnxx on Thu Jun 01, 2006 9:07 pm; edited 3 times in total
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| Linny1125
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Thu Jun 01, 2006 8:58 pm |
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All right brained people need to stand back. 
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| RatPatrol
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Thu Jun 01, 2006 8:58 pm |
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| THolloway wrote: | | If Louis is a truthteller, and he says EitherDora or Thomas is a liar, i read it to mean one or the other, not both. |
I see what you're saying there...
Is it an OR or an XOR situation? If it's XOR (exclusive-OR) then I'm fooked.
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ETA: xxJDxx I didn't look at the clues but what you posted just now gives me a bit more confidence in my answer.
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| kalekona
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Thu Jun 01, 2006 9:01 pm |
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i can't find the clues so i'm just gonna say the silly pig got bored and ran away.
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| Spuds
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Thu Jun 01, 2006 9:03 pm |
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| kalekona wrote: | | i can't find the clues so i'm just gonna say the silly pig got bored and ran away. |
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| victims cry
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Thu Jun 01, 2006 9:10 pm |
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Solution
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| wildroses
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Thu Jun 01, 2006 9:11 pm |
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| xxjenniferdawnxx
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Thu Jun 01, 2006 9:13 pm |
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That was fun. Let's do another one!
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| iwabwu
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Thu Jun 01, 2006 9:16 pm |
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This is too deep. Do you have an easier one?
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