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O/T Toronto terror plot foiled -- Canada
| Quote: | TORONTO, Ontario (CNN) -- Canadian police on Saturday said they have prevented a major al Qaeda-inspired terror plot to attack targets in southern Ontario.
Twelve adults and five young people were arrested, authorities said.
"This group took steps to acquire three tons of ammonium nitrate and other components necessary to create explosive devices," said Royal Canadian Mounted Police Assistant Commissioner Mike McDonell in a statement.
"To put this in context, the 1995 bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City that killed 168 people took one ton of ammonium nitrate."
The detained suspects are all men, Canadian residents "from a variety of backgrounds" and followers of a "dangerous ideology inspired by al Qaeda," said Luc Portelance, assistant director of operations for Canadian Security Intelligence Service, in a news conference.
The targets were all in Toronto, CNN's Jeanne Meserve reported at least one source as telling her.
The charges include: participating in terrorist group activity, including training and recruitment; the provision of property for terrorist purposes; and the "commission of indictable offenses, including firearms and explosives in association with a terrorist group."
"Canada is not immune to the threat of terrorism," McDonell said.
The Globe and Mail newspaper in Toronto said the operation "appeared to be the most concerted such sweep in Canada since the 9/11 terrorist attacks in the United States.
The men were arrested on Friday, and more arrests were expected through the night, police spokeswoman Cpl. Michele Paradis told CNN.
The sweep was a joint operation involving most of the police forces in the Toronto area, she said.
Federal agencies including border and intelligence agents worked with the police under the auspices of the Integrated National Security Enforcement Team, Paradis said.
Such anti-terror operations in Canada are rare. It's not clear if the sweep is related to a raid in East London Friday, one of the largest there since the London transit bombings in July. That raid was carried out with the help of police and Britain's domestic spy agency, MI5. (Full story)
In March 2004 a man from Ottawa, Canada -- Mohammad Momin Khawaja -- was charged in connection with terror-related offenses that involved activities there and in London. |
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/06/03/canada.terror/index.html
This is the article in The Toronto Sun
http://www.torontosun.com/News/2006/06/03/1613113.html
| Quote: | | Scores of officers, many heavily armed, took suspects into custody at a Pickering police station. | For the record Pickering, Ontario, Canada is one of the sites of nuclear power stations as well of other plants such as Darlington which is within the Durham Region which Pickering is also part of there are within miles of each other. So if they were successful they would have destroyed Southern Ontario and parts of Quebec if one of their goals was to blow up these plants.
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Thank you for the article Jacqueline..
I used to live in Toronto until 2-3 months ago ..
People in Southern Ontario have always been very leary of the two Nuclear Power Plants within such close proximity to each other .
Years ago, no one even wanted to live there, now the population is huge, just another suberb of Toronto.
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| lushus wrote: | Thank you for the article Jacqueline..
I used to live in Toronto until 32 months agoo ..
People in Southern Ontario have always been very leary of the two Nuclear Power Plants within such close proximity to each other .
Years ago, no one even wanted to live there, now the population is huge, just another suberb of Toronto. |
Yes the area has grown, the farmland in that region is slowly disappearing with the farmers selling off their land to developers.
They say that residents there glow in the dark 
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Re: O/T Toronto terror plot foiled -- Canada
| jacqueline wrote: | | Quote: | TORONTO, Ontario (CNN) -- Canadian police on Saturday said they have prevented a major al Qaeda-inspired terror plot to attack targets in southern Ontario.
Twelve adults and five young people were arrested, authorities said.
"This group took steps to acquire three tons of ammonium nitrate and other components necessary to create explosive devices," said Royal Canadian Mounted Police Assistant Commissioner Mike McDonell in a statement.
"To put this in context, the 1995 bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City that killed 168 people took one ton of ammonium nitrate."
The detained suspects are all men, Canadian residents "from a variety of backgrounds" and followers of a "dangerous ideology inspired by al Qaeda," said Luc Portelance, assistant director of operations for Canadian Security Intelligence Service, in a news conference.
The targets were all in Toronto, CNN's Jeanne Meserve reported at least one source as telling her.
The charges include: participating in terrorist group activity, including training and recruitment; the provision of property for terrorist purposes; and the "commission of indictable offenses, including firearms and explosives in association with a terrorist group."
"Canada is not immune to the threat of terrorism," McDonell said.
The Globe and Mail newspaper in Toronto said the operation "appeared to be the most concerted such sweep in Canada since the 9/11 terrorist attacks in the United States.
The men were arrested on Friday, and more arrests were expected through the night, police spokeswoman Cpl. Michele Paradis told CNN.
The sweep was a joint operation involving most of the police forces in the Toronto area, she said.
Federal agencies including border and intelligence agents worked with the police under the auspices of the Integrated National Security Enforcement Team, Paradis said.
Such anti-terror operations in Canada are rare. It's not clear if the sweep is related to a raid in East London Friday, one of the largest there since the London transit bombings in July. That raid was carried out with the help of police and Britain's domestic spy agency, MI5. (Full story)
In March 2004 a man from Ottawa, Canada -- Mohammad Momin Khawaja -- was charged in connection with terror-related offenses that involved activities there and in London. |
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/06/03/canada.terror/index.html
This is the article in The Toronto Sun
http://www.torontosun.com/News/2006/06/03/1613113.html
| Quote: | | Scores of officers, many heavily armed, took suspects into custody at a Pickering police station. | For the record Pickering, Ontario, Canada is one of the sites of nuclear power stations as well of other plants such as Darlington which is within the Durham Region which Pickering is also part of there are within miles of each other. So if they were successful they would have destroyed Southern Ontario and parts of Quebec if one of their goals was to blow up these plants. |
The scary thing is 5 of them are young offenders and will be released in time for lunch today. A slap on the wrist only takes that long.
Quebec is no where near southern Ontario ie:Pickering or Darlington but Michigan and New York are!
I'm actually glad we're being forced to wake up . I want the Island airport in Toronto closed and considering what a joke the security is there, these home grown terrorists have done me a favour. Maybe the FAA will take the letter I wrote them 2 years ago more seriously.
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Sat Jun 03, 2006 12:15 pm |
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| jacqueline wrote: | | lushus wrote: | Thank you for the article Jacqueline..
I used to live in Toronto until 32 months agoo ..
People in Southern Ontario have always been very leary of the two Nuclear Power Plants within such close proximity to each other .
Years ago, no one even wanted to live there, now the population is huge, just another suberb of Toronto. |
Yes the area has grown, the farmland in that region is slowly disappearing with the farmers selling off their land to developers.
They say that residents there glow in the dark |
Hmm, maybe true!
I have a few friends in the Pickering area and they DO light up in the evening! 
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Karn, you think young offenders will be released when the offenses are related to terrorism and conspiring with others to perpetrate terrorism?
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| jacqueline
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Sat Jun 03, 2006 12:26 pm |
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Re: O/T Toronto terror plot foiled -- Canada
| ~kaRN wrote: | | The scary thing is 5 of them are young offenders and will be released in time for lunch today. A slap on the wrist only takes that long. |
I agree this "Young Offenders Act" needs to be looked into in Canada. If they do the crime no matter their age all of us have the right to know who these misfits of society are.
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Sat Jun 03, 2006 12:31 pm |
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Re: O/T Toronto terror plot foiled -- Canada
| jacqueline wrote: | | ~kaRN wrote: | | The scary thing is 5 of them are young offenders and will be released in time for lunch today. A slap on the wrist only takes that long. |
I agree this "Young Offenders Act" needs to be looked into in Canada. If they do the crime no matter their age all of us have the right to know who these misfits of society are. |
Apparently they're not that young--seventeen, according to one article I read about this. If they're released, they'll just hook up with another cell.
The youthful offender laws weren't designed to cover exigencies like this.
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Sat Jun 03, 2006 12:32 pm |
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Re: O/T Toronto terror plot foiled -- Canada
| jacqueline wrote: | | ~kaRN wrote: | | The scary thing is 5 of them are young offenders and will be released in time for lunch today. A slap on the wrist only takes that long. |
I agree this "Young Offenders Act" needs to be looked into in Canada. If they do the crime no matter their age all of us have the right to know who these misfits of society are. |
Jacqueline, don't even start on the "Young Offenders Act"..
Most Canandians are NOT pleased with it at all ..
It's quite a sore spot!
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There certainly are people in Canada who've been in custody for months and years with no charges against them. Granted they are adults, but these people are held on Security Certificates which provides for their incarceration without charges when terrorism is the basis.
Given the scope and implications of these young offenders' activities, I suspect there may be ways of holding them notwithstanding the provisions of The Young Offenders' Act.
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Sat Jun 03, 2006 12:37 pm |
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Re: O/T Toronto terror plot foiled -- Canada
| lushus wrote: | | jacqueline wrote: | | ~kaRN wrote: | | The scary thing is 5 of them are young offenders and will be released in time for lunch today. A slap on the wrist only takes that long. |
I agree this "Young Offenders Act" needs to be looked into in Canada. If they do the crime no matter their age all of us have the right to know who these misfits of society are. |
Jacqueline, don't even start on the "Young Offenders Act"..
Most Canandians are NOT pleased with it at all ..
It's quite a sore spot! |
Sorry I didn't mean to open wounds and I do appologize.
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Sat Jun 03, 2006 12:44 pm |
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Re: O/T Toronto terror plot foiled -- Canada
| jacqueline wrote: | | lushus wrote: | | jacqueline wrote: | | ~kaRN wrote: | | The scary thing is 5 of them are young offenders and will be released in time for lunch today. A slap on the wrist only takes that long. |
I agree this "Young Offenders Act" needs to be looked into in Canada. If they do the crime no matter their age all of us have the right to know who these misfits of society are. |
Jacqueline, don't even start on the "Young Offenders Act"..
Most Canandians are NOT pleased with it at all ..
It's quite a sore spot! |
Sorry I didn't mean to open wounds and I do appologize. |
Oh, you didn't ..
I didn't mean to sound so abrupt .. 
It's just that for years, we Canadian's have been balking about this 'Act' ..
It usually doesn't make any sense ..
These 'youths' are old enough!
They know exactly what they're doing!
It really is maddening .. grrrrrrr
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Sat Jun 03, 2006 1:04 pm |
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Re: O/T Toronto terror plot foiled -- Canada
| lushus wrote: | | jacqueline wrote: | | lushus wrote: | | jacqueline wrote: | | ~kaRN wrote: | | The scary thing is 5 of them are young offenders and will be released in time for lunch today. A slap on the wrist only takes that long. |
I agree this "Young Offenders Act" needs to be looked into in Canada. If they do the crime no matter their age all of us have the right to know who these misfits of society are. |
Jacqueline, don't even start on the "Young Offenders Act"..
Most Canandians are NOT pleased with it at all ..
It's quite a sore spot! |
Sorry I didn't mean to open wounds and I do appologize. |
Oh, you didn't ..
I didn't mean to sound so abrupt ..
It's just that for years, we Canadian's have been balking about this 'Act' ..
It usually doesn't make any sense ..
These 'youths' are old enough!
They know exactly what they're doing!
It really is maddening .. grrrrrrr |
Oh no I didn't take it as you being abrupt and I agree that these "youths" are old enough to know right from wrong.
But Karn's comment about Southern Ontario being far away from Quebec does concern me as it is not that far away.
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| Heli wrote: | | Karn, you think young offenders will be released when the offenses are related to terrorism and conspiring with others to perpetrate terrorism? |
Unfortunately I do Heli. Unless they were conspiring to blow up American targets and get extradited. I'm not even sure we'd extradite them if it meant they would get a real punishment.
I'm pretty angry about this Heli. Not surprised mind you, just really angry that we are used by people with no intentions of ever assimilating. It's okay to come over and have your triple bypass surgery or cancer therapies courtesy of the Canadian taxpayer and then plot to blow them up and all the way long, we have to smile and embrace multi-culturalism lest we be accused of being racist or bigotted.
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Sat Jun 03, 2006 1:09 pm |
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Re: O/T Toronto terror plot foiled -- Canada
| jacqueline wrote: | | lushus wrote: | | jacqueline wrote: | | lushus wrote: | | jacqueline wrote: | | ~kaRN wrote: | | The scary thing is 5 of them are young offenders and will be released in time for lunch today. A slap on the wrist only takes that long. |
I agree this "Young Offenders Act" needs to be looked into in Canada. If they do the crime no matter their age all of us have the right to know who these misfits of society are. |
Jacqueline, don't even start on the "Young Offenders Act"..
Most Canandians are NOT pleased with it at all ..
It's quite a sore spot! |
Sorry I didn't mean to open wounds and I do appologize. |
Oh, you didn't ..
I didn't mean to sound so abrupt ..
It's just that for years, we Canadian's have been balking about this 'Act' ..
It usually doesn't make any sense ..
These 'youths' are old enough!
They know exactly what they're doing!
It really is maddening .. grrrrrrr |
Oh no I didn't take it as you being abrupt and I agree that these "youths" are old enough to know right from wrong.
But Karn's comment about Southern Ontario being far away from Quebec does concern me as it is not that far away. |
Toronto to Montreal is only a 5 1/2 drive .. it's really not that far!
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Well its doubtful they will be released, the YA allows for adult sentences and holding them. The difference is that if they get an adult sentence its meted out by a judge in youth court, and they are eligible for parole after 7 years, but that doesnt mean they get it.
What concerns me more is that we have nuts like these in canada 
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| victims cry wrote: | Well its doubtful they will be released, the YA allows for adult sentences and holding them. The difference is that if they get an adult sentence its meted out by a judge in youth court, and they are eligible for parole after 7 years, but that doesnt mean they get it.
What concerns me more is that we have nuts like these in canada |
I know but vc, they live everywhere!
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| ~kaRN wrote: | | Heli wrote: | | Karn, you think young offenders will be released when the offenses are related to terrorism and conspiring with others to perpetrate terrorism? |
Unfortunately I do Heli. Unless they were conspiring to blow up American targets and get extradited. I'm not even sure we'd extradite them if it meant they would get a real punishment.
I'm pretty angry about this Heli. Not surprised mind you, just really angry that we are used by people with no intentions of ever assimilating. It's okay to come over and have your triple bypass surgery or cancer therapies courtesy of the Canadian taxpayer and then plot to blow them up and all the way long, we have to smile and embrace multi-culturalism lest we be accused of being racist or bigotted. |
There are indeed people who've been held in the Don Jail for several years on Security Certificates. People who are suspected of being involved in terrorist activiites, organization and plots.
It would seem there are entirely diffrent criteria applicable to suspects who endanger national and potentially international safety.
I'm not convinced that the 5 young offenders arrested last night for offenses related to terrorism will be released in the same way as a kid who robbed a corner store, or assaulted somebody etc.
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| lushus wrote: | | victims cry wrote: | Well its doubtful they will be released, the YA allows for adult sentences and holding them. The difference is that if they get an adult sentence its meted out by a judge in youth court, and they are eligible for parole after 7 years, but that doesnt mean they get it.
What concerns me more is that we have nuts like these in canada |
I know but vc, they live everywhere! |
Absolutely, and that`s the scary thing about these things....
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| HannieC wrote: | | lushus wrote: | | victims cry wrote: | Well its doubtful they will be released, the YA allows for adult sentences and holding them. The difference is that if they get an adult sentence its meted out by a judge in youth court, and they are eligible for parole after 7 years, but that doesnt mean they get it.
What concerns me more is that we have nuts like these in canada |
I know but vc, they live everywhere! |
Absolutely, and that`s the scary thing about these things.... |
It really is frightening ..
These people live in small towns, big cities, anywhere ..
Look what happened in London last summer ..
Those attackers came from the suburbs .. go figure!
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Re: O/T Toronto terror plot foiled -- Canada
| lushus wrote: | | jacqueline wrote: | | lushus wrote: | | jacqueline wrote: | | lushus wrote: | | jacqueline wrote: | | ~kaRN wrote: | | The scary thing is 5 of them are young offenders and will be released in time for lunch today. A slap on the wrist only takes that long. |
I agree this "Young Offenders Act" needs to be looked into in Canada. If they do the crime no matter their age all of us have the right to know who these misfits of society are. |
Jacqueline, don't even start on the "Young Offenders Act"..
Most Canandians are NOT pleased with it at all ..
It's quite a sore spot! |
Sorry I didn't mean to open wounds and I do appologize. |
Oh, you didn't ..
I didn't mean to sound so abrupt ..
It's just that for years, we Canadian's have been balking about this 'Act' ..
It usually doesn't make any sense ..
These 'youths' are old enough!
They know exactly what they're doing!
It really is maddening .. grrrrrrr |
Oh no I didn't take it as you being abrupt and I agree that these "youths" are old enough to know right from wrong.
But Karn's comment about Southern Ontario being far away from Quebec does concern me as it is not that far away. |
Toronto to Montreal is only a 5 1/2 drive .. it's really not that far! |
It's not that close either!! I can drive to NYC in that time from Toronto, Chicago, Detroit etc. is way closer etc and all these places have much larger populations than the eastern edge of Quebec. I'm from Quebec, my family lives there and I share your concern it's just not realistic to think Quebec would suffer the fallout of a blown up nuclear generating station without Michigan, Illinois and New york suffering equally or far worse.
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Karn, no direspect, but last time I drove to NYC .. it was a TEN hour drive..
A little different from a 5 1/2 drive ..
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Re: O/T Toronto terror plot foiled -- Canada
| ~kaRN wrote: | | jacqueline wrote: | | Quote: | TORONTO, Ontario (CNN) -- Canadian police on Saturday said they have prevented a major al Qaeda-inspired terror plot to attack targets in southern Ontario.
Twelve adults and five young people were arrested, authorities said.
"This group took steps to acquire three tons of ammonium nitrate and other components necessary to create explosive devices," said Royal Canadian Mounted Police Assistant Commissioner Mike McDonell in a statement.
"To put this in context, the 1995 bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City that killed 168 people took one ton of ammonium nitrate."
The detained suspects are all men, Canadian residents "from a variety of backgrounds" and followers of a "dangerous ideology inspired by al Qaeda," said Luc Portelance, assistant director of operations for Canadian Security Intelligence Service, in a news conference.
The targets were all in Toronto, CNN's Jeanne Meserve reported at least one source as telling her.
The charges include: participating in terrorist group activity, including training and recruitment; the provision of property for terrorist purposes; and the "commission of indictable offenses, including firearms and explosives in association with a terrorist group."
"Canada is not immune to the threat of terrorism," McDonell said.
The Globe and Mail newspaper in Toronto said the operation "appeared to be the most concerted such sweep in Canada since the 9/11 terrorist attacks in the United States.
The men were arrested on Friday, and more arrests were expected through the night, police spokeswoman Cpl. Michele Paradis told CNN.
The sweep was a joint operation involving most of the police forces in the Toronto area, she said.
Federal agencies including border and intelligence agents worked with the police under the auspices of the Integrated National Security Enforcement Team, Paradis said.
Such anti-terror operations in Canada are rare. It's not clear if the sweep is related to a raid in East London Friday, one of the largest there since the London transit bombings in July. That raid was carried out with the help of police and Britain's domestic spy agency, MI5. (Full story)
In March 2004 a man from Ottawa, Canada -- Mohammad Momin Khawaja -- was charged in connection with terror-related offenses that involved activities there and in London. |
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/06/03/canada.terror/index.html
This is the article in The Toronto Sun
http://www.torontosun.com/News/2006/06/03/1613113.html
| Quote: | | Scores of officers, many heavily armed, took suspects into custody at a Pickering police station. | For the record Pickering, Ontario, Canada is one of the sites of nuclear power stations as well of other plants such as Darlington which is within the Durham Region which Pickering is also part of there are within miles of each other. So if they were successful they would have destroyed Southern Ontario and parts of Quebec if one of their goals was to blow up these plants. |
The scary thing is 5 of them are young offenders and will be released in time for lunch today. A slap on the wrist only takes that long.
Quebec is no where near southern Ontario ie:Pickering or Darlington but Michigan and New York are!I'm actually glad we're being forced to wake up . I want the Island airport in Toronto closed and considering what a joke the security is there, these home grown terrorists have done me a favour. Maybe the FAA will take the letter I wrote them 2 years ago more seriously. |
It does not matter how close one is, we would all be affected do you have any knowledge as to how radiation is spread?
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Jacqueline, I don't think he/she does have a clue about Radiation fallout ..
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From Toronto to the Quebec border is a mere 280 miles.
Nuclear fallout will drift more than 1,000 miles on the prevailing winds, which in Ontario are generally from West to East, thereby making Quebec 100% sure to be affected.
Michigan would not be in danger unless the prevailing winds became easterly, which does not happen often. New York State on the other hand would be impacted as the Northern portions of that State are east of Ontario. Maine would have some concerns as well.
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