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SavannahStar
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Sun Jun 25, 2006 9:23 am |
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| justthefactspls wrote: | I guess this sounds cold, but I think if someone wants to walk away and start a new life without giving notice and they can legally do so, then I don't have a problem with that. I don't think there should be some obligation to diclose your location, your new life, or open yourself up to being found when you don't want to be, simply because someone is worried or LE gets involved with the madness, or even gets it so wrong as to charge someone.
Personally I could not hurt my family like that. But in the abstract, I can understand any number of circumstances, even those that don't include abuse or sociopathy where someone would walk away and just never look back. |
Very interesting, and at the same time, non-judgmental to posters who disagree. I thank you for that.
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| pausebreak
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Sun Jun 25, 2006 9:27 am |
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| SavannahStar wrote: | | justthefactspls wrote: | I guess this sounds cold, but I think if someone wants to walk away and start a new life without giving notice and they can legally do so, then I don't have a problem with that. I don't think there should be some obligation to diclose your location, your new life, or open yourself up to being found when you don't want to be, simply because someone is worried or LE gets involved with the madness, or even gets it so wrong as to charge someone.
Personally I could not hurt my family like that. But in the abstract, I can understand any number of circumstances, even those that don't include abuse or sociopathy where someone would walk away and just never look back. |
Very interesting, and at the same time, non-judgmental to posters who disagree. I thank you for that. |
True, but how do you account for allowing a 9 year old to just run away and leave it at that? There had already been another girl around that age killed by Fraser in the area. I'm still surprised that Black wasn't charged with something more than lying to the police. He was 19 she was 9, who had the most responsibility to at least make some effort to alert officials that she was alive and ok?
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| SavannahStar
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Sun Jun 25, 2006 9:30 am |
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| pausebreak wrote: | | SavannahStar wrote: | | justthefactspls wrote: | I guess this sounds cold, but I think if someone wants to walk away and start a new life without giving notice and they can legally do so, then I don't have a problem with that. I don't think there should be some obligation to diclose your location, your new life, or open yourself up to being found when you don't want to be, simply because someone is worried or LE gets involved with the madness, or even gets it so wrong as to charge someone.
Personally I could not hurt my family like that. But in the abstract, I can understand any number of circumstances, even those that don't include abuse or sociopathy where someone would walk away and just never look back. |
Very interesting, and at the same time, non-judgmental to posters who disagree. I thank you for that. |
True, but how do you account for allowing a 9 year old to just run away and leave it at that? There had already been another girl around that age killed by Fraser in the area. I'm still surprised that Black wasn't charged with something more than lying to the police. He was 19 she was 9, who had the most responsibility to at least make some effort to alert officials that she was alive and ok? |
I think she was 14, not 9, Pause???????????
And read my previous posts.....I think that girl is a total bitch. Same as I would think of Natalee if this case turned out the same way.
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| pausebreak
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Sun Jun 25, 2006 9:36 am |
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| SavannahStar wrote: | | pausebreak wrote: | | SavannahStar wrote: | | justthefactspls wrote: | I guess this sounds cold, but I think if someone wants to walk away and start a new life without giving notice and they can legally do so, then I don't have a problem with that. I don't think there should be some obligation to diclose your location, your new life, or open yourself up to being found when you don't want to be, simply because someone is worried or LE gets involved with the madness, or even gets it so wrong as to charge someone.
Personally I could not hurt my family like that. But in the abstract, I can understand any number of circumstances, even those that don't include abuse or sociopathy where someone would walk away and just never look back. |
Very interesting, and at the same time, non-judgmental to posters who disagree. I thank you for that. |
True, but how do you account for allowing a 9 year old to just run away and leave it at that? There had already been another girl around that age killed by Fraser in the area. I'm still surprised that Black wasn't charged with something more than lying to the police. He was 19 she was 9, who had the most responsibility to at least make some effort to alert officials that she was alive and ok? |
I think she was 14, not 9, Pause???????????
And read my previous posts.....I think that girl is a total bitch. Same as I would think of Natalee if this case turned out the same way. |
yikes, yes 14  ahead of myself this morning Yes, I agree and I have to wonder if she would have come forward at the age of 16 had Fraser been put on trial at that point? I think not, I think she waited until she turned 18. Wonder when natalee shows up if she is going to charge for her interviews too? LOL
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| CSI
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Sun Jun 25, 2006 9:52 am |
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| pausebreak wrote: |
yikes, yes 14 ahead of myself this morning Yes, I agree and I have to wonder if she would have come forward at the age of 16 had Fraser been put on trial at that point? I think not, I think she waited until she turned 18. Wonder when natalee shows up if she is going to charge for her interviews too? LOL |
She did not come forward. A tip was received to where she was living, and the police found her hiding in the closet when they searched the house.
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| pausebreak
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Sun Jun 25, 2006 9:57 am |
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| CSI wrote: | | pausebreak wrote: |
yikes, yes 14 ahead of myself this morning Yes, I agree and I have to wonder if she would have come forward at the age of 16 had Fraser been put on trial at that point? I think not, I think she waited until she turned 18. Wonder when natalee shows up if she is going to charge for her interviews too? LOL |
She did not come forward. A tip was received to where she was living, and the police found her hiding in the closet when they searched the house. |
Yes, but WHO gave that information? Why did they wait until she was 18? Why not out her before that? That's what I was trying to convey. Would someone have outed her at 16 if Fraser was on trial then?
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| CSI
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Sun Jun 25, 2006 10:19 am |
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| pausebreak wrote: | | CSI wrote: | | pausebreak wrote: |
yikes, yes 14 ahead of myself this morning Yes, I agree and I have to wonder if she would have come forward at the age of 16 had Fraser been put on trial at that point? I think not, I think she waited until she turned 18. Wonder when natalee shows up if she is going to charge for her interviews too? LOL |
She did not come forward. A tip was received to where she was living, and the police found her hiding in the closet when they searched the house. |
Yes, but WHO gave that information? Why did they wait until she was 18? Why not out her before that? That's what I was trying to convey. Would someone have outed her at 16 if Fraser was on trial then? |
IMHO she either (1) finally pissed the wrong person off, or (2) since she spent a lot of time on the internet, maybe either someone figured out who she was or she told someone.
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| justthefactspls
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Sun Jun 25, 2006 10:25 am |
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| pausebreak wrote: |
She was a minor. There had been other killings of girls in that area. What was LE supposed to think? Fraser confessed to killing her like the others because he wanted the notoriety of being a "serial" killer. Someone passed the note to the reporter about her being alive during the trial, why didn't they do that before? She was staying with Black voluntarily and by her own admission she HID everytime someone came around and when the cops came to question Black.
If she wanted to stay hidden, all she had to do was send some type of correspondence to LE that she was alive and well but was not returning home.
She watched on TV while her father held a memorial service for her!
Yes, kids run away everyday, but there is generally something in their history that shows they have a propensity to do that. As far as we know there was nothing in Natasha's background to even suggest she would run away. Why did she hook up with the same guy who had dated her sister? |
I thought that she had run away previously, stayed in a hotel, and that the bf had lied for her and was fined when the LE found out?
So I do think there was some history.
As for what the LE is supposed to think. I think they are supposed to do their job and put together a credible case. Clearly this case was weak in relying on no physical evidence, witnesses etc. The LE screwed up bigtime in this part of the case, they bit off more than they could handle and did damge to their case because of it.
Whatever the LE may have "thought" is irrelevant. It is what they could prove. They gambled they could prove this, knowing they had a weak case and the odds were against them, and they lost.
I stand by saying it is not her fault. If she had shown up the day after they charged him, it would have looked just as bad for the prosecution and would have done as much damage to their case.
I hardly believe that sending a note to the LE saying she was fine would have been the end of the search for her. I do not see how sending notes to anyone would be conducive to someone remaining hidden. That would seem to be the quickest way to heat up a cold case.
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| Cat
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Sun Jun 25, 2006 3:36 pm |
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| jakee wrote: | | I guess it isn't illegal to watch tv and see a man on trial for your murder and not say anything..(even though the freak is a serial killer)I just can't get over how "cold" she came across in the interview. Maybe she did have a horrible home life. But to see her father refer to her as grasshopper was so sad. But again, I don't know what went on behind closed doors in that family. |
There's no way of knowing positively, of course, but I sensed real love from the father for his daughter.
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| Gabrielle
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Sun Jun 25, 2006 3:55 pm |
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Something, anything...should be illegal in a case like this.
Emotional duress??
Many lawsuits seem to add additional awards for pain & suffering.
The Dad truly seemed an emotional wreck over this case.
As another pointed out, we do not know the whole story, but even the reporter noted the father's rapture when he found out his daughter was alive.
Once again, I am amazed at how cruel & heartless some can be.
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| amicus
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Sun Jun 25, 2006 4:34 pm |
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Age of consent in most of Australia is 16 (17 in Tasmania). Scott Black was 21 when she came to live/hide out in his home. Black possibly jailed for false swearing. He actually appeared at a hearing on Frasher in 2002 and offered a sworn statement that he had not seen or heard from Natasha since her disappearance.
These people are truly morally bankrupt.
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