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RatPatrol
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Sun Jun 25, 2006 7:06 am |
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SEARCH FEATURES - A Clarification
On several other threads, there seems to be widespread confusion resulting from the use of the phrase "returning Search to its original state". Let me try to clear things up a bit...
"Original State" = A search like we had at Forumer - a full fledged search with all fields, including Keyword, functional.
From the time we set up shop on this domain, we have had a "partial" search only - Author worked, the rest didn't. As it has been explained to me by FSNAdmin, the keyword search was disabled in order to boost performance. The idea was to at some point add an on-site Google Box to take the place of the disabled Keyword search. A great idea, but...
Saturday FSNAdmin and I collaboratively set up and activated the Google box. It didn't take very long to find out that by doing so we broke the Author search in the process and that Author search and Google Box were not going to readily co-exist. So...
On the Saturday overnight, FSNAdmin activated the previously disabled portions (i.e. Keyword) of the "standard" search system. Because posts are added to the search index *at the time they are posted*, none of our posts from Day 1 until now were indexed for keyword searches. That problem was remedied by running a brutally CPU-intesive "re-indexing" utility - hence the need for some downtime.
Re-indexing shutdowns will probably never be needed again, since from here on the posts will be indexed as they are posted.
There will be a perceptable slowdown at peak posting times because the "realtime" indexing will now be eating up CPU cycles every time somebody posts a post. It probably will not be much of a slowdown, but I'm just sayin' you may see a little lag at peak times of day.
To restate the main point of this post: Search now works just like it did in the old days at Forumer - Author, Keyword, and all the various filtering buttons and boxes. It is likely to affect site performance slightly at peak times.
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| Heli
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Sun Jun 25, 2006 7:21 am |
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Thank you FSNAdmin and RatPatrol. Quite a project for a Saturday night.
I haven't tested the keyword search function yet, but I know it's a welcome addition for many of us who used and loved it on other forums.
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Transcription Goddess
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| jmo
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Sun Jun 25, 2006 8:45 am |
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Yes! Thank you FSNAdmin and RatPatrol! Great job and very, very appreciated!
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| court~critic1®
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Sun Jun 25, 2006 8:59 am |
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I take it this is the reason why , since Sat., that it takes me 2 to 3 mins. to get a page upto read? I finally gave up Sat. lol Of course I am on dial up.
As I do not know what a "search" thing is for or never used it, I will say thnks for what the other posters wanted so much.
Have a safe one and enjoy !.
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The One and Only~Accept No Substitutions
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| RatPatrol
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Sun Jun 25, 2006 9:06 am |
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| court~critic1® wrote: | I take it this is the reason why , since Sat., that it takes me 2 to 3 mins. to get a page upto read? I finally gave up Sat. lol Of course I am on dial up.
As I do not know what a "search" thing is for or never used it, I will say thnks for what the other posters wanted so much.
Have a safe one and enjoy !. |
Actually, no.
Any performance impact would not have shown up until the site came back online at about 06:15 Central. I've been reading and posting continuously since then and haven't actually noticed any change at all in page loading.
Something else must be wrong somewhere... possibly with your service provider's equipment.
Search feature is here: http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/search.php and it can come in mighty handy at times. Check it out!
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| jmo
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Sun Jun 25, 2006 9:09 am |
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| court~critic1® wrote: | I take it this is the reason why , since Sat., that it takes me 2 to 3 mins. to get a page upto read? I finally gave up Sat. lol Of course I am on dial up.
As I do not know what a "search" thing is for or never used it, I will say thnks for what the other posters wanted so much.
Have a safe one and enjoy !. |
Wow that's awful.
I'm on cable, but I can have probs with people who use TinyPic for hosting their avatars. The pic will EXPLODE in a HUGE size on the page and/or load painfully slowly until it gets to the proper size - and I always think about the dial up users when that happens to me. It must be a nightmare for them.
I wonder if something can be done for dial up users?
Last edited by jmo on Sun Jun 25, 2006 9:13 am; edited 1 time in total
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~Naughty By Nature~
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| court~critic1®
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Sun Jun 25, 2006 9:13 am |
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| RatPatrol wrote: | | court~critic1® wrote: | I take it this is the reason why , since Sat., that it takes me 2 to 3 mins. to get a page upto read? I finally gave up Sat. lol Of course I am on dial up.
As I do not know what a "search" thing is for or never used it, I will say thnks for what the other posters wanted so much.
Have a safe one and enjoy !. |
Actually, no.
Any performance impact would not have shown up until the site came back online at about 06:15 Central. I've been reading and posting continuously since then and haven't actually noticed any change at all in page loading.
Something else must be wrong somewhere... possibly with your service provider's equipment.
Search feature is here: http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/search.php and it can come in mighty handy at times. Check it out!
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thanks for the info. I just noticed the slow loading since Sat. Until then I had no problems. Still having them. I will contact my server Mon.
Also , tks for the link to the search, still Greek to me lol
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The One and Only~Accept No Substitutions
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| jmo
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Sun Jun 25, 2006 9:20 am |
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CC are you having trouble loading This thread? What thread/s Are you having probs with? Tia
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| court~critic1®
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Sun Jun 25, 2006 9:28 am |
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| jmo wrote: | | CC are you having trouble loading This thread? What thread/s Are you having probs with? Tia |
All that I click on. Plus whenever I go to a new page of the thread. Some take longer than others. It is mostly just a blank page and then suddenly it pops u. lol
Yes it is painfully slow on dial up with the tiny pics and etc. As you said, sometimes the pic will explode before it goes to normal size. can be quite a shock sometimes. lol
Take care and be safe.
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The One and Only~Accept No Substitutions
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| RatPatrol
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Sun Jun 25, 2006 9:38 am |
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| jmo wrote: | | court~critic1® wrote: | I take it this is the reason why , since Sat., that it takes me 2 to 3 mins. to get a page upto read? I finally gave up Sat. lol Of course I am on dial up.
As I do not know what a "search" thing is for or never used it, I will say thnks for what the other posters wanted so much.
Have a safe one and enjoy !. |
Wow that's awful.
I'm on cable, but I can have probs with people who use TinyPic for hosting their avatars. The pic will EXPLODE in a HUGE size on the page and/or load painfully slowly until it gets to the proper size - and I always think about the dial up users when that happens to me. It must be a nightmare for them.
I wonder if something can be done for dial up users? |
Tinypic is easily dealt with. I've had it blocked for several months now and my Refugees pages don't hang nearly as frequently as they used to. Seems that Tinypic goes down quite often and when it's down any page with an avatar or picture that's stored on Tinypic will hang for a minute or so.
I know exactly how to block it with Mozilla 1.7 and FireFox. I can probably figure it out for Internet Exploder if I need to. Maybe I will write something up some day, but for now, PM me for instructions if you need to.
Basic idea is to go into your browser's image management settings and add tinypic.com to the "block" or "disallow" list.
The downside of this tactic is that occasionally there's a case related picture posted that's hosted at Tinypic, and it gets blocked too.
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| victims cry
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Sun Jun 25, 2006 10:45 am |
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well this is the first post i made since i went to bed before the down time and am on dial up. All threads open just as "quickly" for me as normal.
so yes CC it is something else.
And thank you fsnadmin and RP for your extensive work last night.
glad you could help RP because i am certain fsnadmin did not really plan on this last night lol.
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| Hannie
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Sun Jun 25, 2006 11:00 am |
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When I refresh, the page is very slow now, is anybody else having this same thing?
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li'l Shango's Mommy
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| LISA
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Sun Jun 25, 2006 11:03 am |
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Thank you, fsnadmin.
Also, a big thank you to RatPatrol, you are greatly appreciated for all the hard work you do for us.
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| victims cry
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Sun Jun 25, 2006 11:08 am |
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| HannieC wrote: | | When I refresh, the page is very slow now, is anybody else having this same thing? |
not me. im on dial up, so i have no change in speed at all, and normally if the board has slowed i go to 3 minutes to refresh
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| jmo
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Sun Jun 25, 2006 11:15 am |
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| HannieC wrote: | | When I refresh, the page is very slow now, is anybody else having this same thing? |
It's erratic for me. lol
Lisas aviator (TinyPic) got hung up but I refreshed again and now it's ok. It's the TinyPic URLs that can mess me up. It's weird! And like I said, I'm on cable.
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| RatPatrol
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Sun Jun 25, 2006 11:23 am |
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| RatPatrol wrote: | | jmo wrote: | | court~critic1® wrote: | I take it this is the reason why , since Sat., that it takes me 2 to 3 mins. to get a page upto read? I finally gave up Sat. lol Of course I am on dial up.
As I do not know what a "search" thing is for or never used it, I will say thnks for what the other posters wanted so much.
Have a safe one and enjoy !. |
Wow that's awful.
I'm on cable, but I can have probs with people who use TinyPic for hosting their avatars. The pic will EXPLODE in a HUGE size on the page and/or load painfully slowly until it gets to the proper size - and I always think about the dial up users when that happens to me. It must be a nightmare for them.
I wonder if something can be done for dial up users? |
Tinypic is easily dealt with. I've had it blocked for several months now and my Refugees pages don't hang nearly as frequently as they used to. Seems that Tinypic goes down quite often and when it's down any page with an avatar or picture that's stored on Tinypic will hang for a minute or so.
I know exactly how to block it with Mozilla 1.7 and FireFox. I can probably figure it out for Internet Exploder if I need to. Maybe I will write something up some day, but for now, PM me for instructions if you need to.
Basic idea is to go into your browser's image management settings and add tinypic.com to the "block" or "disallow" list.
The downside of this tactic is that occasionally there's a case related picture posted that's hosted at Tinypic, and it gets blocked too.
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11:25 Central - I've been on the site since it came back up and I still have not experienced any slowdowns or hanging.
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On the Prowl
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| Heli
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Sun Jun 25, 2006 11:26 am |
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It's working great for me RatP
I've done some keyword searches, and they were FAST.
All else is unchanged for me. No hanging, no slowdowns, no problems 
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| LISA
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Sun Jun 25, 2006 12:31 pm |
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| jmo wrote: | | HannieC wrote: | | When I refresh, the page is very slow now, is anybody else having this same thing? |
It's erratic for me. lol
Lisas aviator (TinyPic) got hung up but I refreshed again and now it's ok. It's the TinyPic URLs that can mess me up. It's weird! And like I said, I'm on cable. |
Sorry JMO, TinyPic, has been removed. 
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| hisss
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Sun Jun 25, 2006 12:35 pm |
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Thank you, admin.
And RP, special kudos to you for all of the work you do to make this a great forum! 
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| fsnadmin
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Sun Jun 25, 2006 12:41 pm |
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A lot of the slowdowns could be routing problems between certain ISPs and this server. I'm going to talk with joy and vc about the remote avatars, as I've gotten page hangs from those as well. Might see if there's an easy way to work around those if we can.
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| joynow
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Sun Jun 25, 2006 12:59 pm |
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Thank you, HostDude and RP!! 
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| jmo
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Sun Jun 25, 2006 12:59 pm |
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| LISA wrote: | | jmo wrote: | | HannieC wrote: | | When I refresh, the page is very slow now, is anybody else having this same thing? |
It's erratic for me. lol
Lisas aviator (TinyPic) got hung up but I refreshed again and now it's ok. It's the TinyPic URLs that can mess me up. It's weird! And like I said, I'm on cable. |
Sorry JMO, TinyPic, has been removed. |
NO! Don't remove it! It can be resized or something. It's just something I noticed about TinyPic Url and I thought That could be CC's prob because that site can be slow or down a lot.
Lets see what fsnadmin comes up with..
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| joynow
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Sun Jun 25, 2006 1:05 pm |
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http://photobucket.com is free...and I haven't heard of any slow downs with them.
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| jmo
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Sun Jun 25, 2006 1:09 pm |
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Great answer, Joy!
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~Naughty By Nature~
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| RatPatrol
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Sun Jun 25, 2006 1:23 pm |
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| joynow wrote: | | http://photobucket.com is free...and I haven't heard of any slow downs with them. |
My 2 cents worth...
I have yet to see Photobucket hand the pages. Seems to work fine.
Peeves:
1) Tinypic - causes pages to hang very frequently. Yes, it's tinypic's issue, not my PC or browser. I've spent time looking into it and the clincher is that if I block tinypic.com the hanging clears right up.
2) The phpBB mod that allows oversized avatars to slip in and then resizes them to standard when the page renders. Whether hosted locally or on a tinypic|photobucket service, avatars could be scaled to standard size so that when pages render we don't get the HUGE avatar for a moment, followed by a quick "reshuffling" of the page as the avatar resizes. It's not that hard to size an avatar properly and if somebody really can't figure it out there are quite a few of us here that can assist.
Perhaps a good solution is to have all avatars hosted locally on site and turn off the off-site avatars thing completely? Just thinking out loud there...
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