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Mon Oct 16, 2006 12:06 pm |
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PLEA DEAL REACHED IN GROENE/DUNCAN case!
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Mon Oct 16, 2006 12:12 pm |
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Here is one article. (FOX says it has been reached this article says possible)
| Quote: | Deal WAS reached
He plead guilty to all 6 counts in Idaho..
and was sentenced then and there to life without parole for the kidnappings but they will wait until after the federal case to sentence on the murder chargers, which officially leaves the Death Penalty as an option. Should he not get Death in the federal case, he will be returned to Idaho and the Death penalty phase would proceed.
http://www.king5.com/w/
"Prosecutors have accepted a plea agreement by lawyers for Joseph Duncan that would have Duncan plead guilty to three counts of first degree murder and three counts of first degree kidnapping in exchange for waiving his right to extradition, future appeals, and reveal any and all passcodes to sealed computer information. Watch live coveage of the Joseph Duncan murder trial now on NorthWest Cable News"
This is the right thing for Shasta and should clear up the murders of two sisters in seattle.
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| Sultan
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Mon Oct 16, 2006 12:17 pm |
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Lord, I hope they don't let this guy off less than the Death Penalty. If he does not deserve if it knowone does.
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| FocusFactor
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Mon Oct 16, 2006 12:18 pm |
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Good for Shasta, not to have to be questioned and re-live the ordeal.
Either way, Duncan will never get out. Too bad it took so many dead kids to figure that out.
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Mon Oct 16, 2006 12:19 pm |
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| FocusFactor wrote: | Good for Shasta, not to have to be questioned and re-live the ordeal.
Either way, Duncan will never get out. Too bad it took so many dead kids to figure that out. |
Good for Shasta?, I read that she wanted to testify.
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| SavannahStar
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Mon Oct 16, 2006 12:23 pm |
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| Sultan wrote: | | Lord, I hope they don't let this guy off less than the Death Penalty. If he does not deserve if it knowone does. |
He copped the plea deal to avoid the death penalty.
He's scum anyway you look at it. He better watch his back in prison, 24/7.
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| GeorgiaMom
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Mon Oct 16, 2006 12:26 pm |
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| SavannahStar wrote: | | Sultan wrote: | | Lord, I hope they don't let this guy off less than the Death Penalty. If he does not deserve if it knowone does. |
He copped the plea deal to avoid the death penalty.
He's scum anyway you look at it. He better watch his back in prison, 24/7. |
I agree. I'm all for the death penalty, but in this case I think death would be to easy. Let him live out the rest of his days as somebodys toy. His life will be hell in prison as a child murderer and molester.
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| victims cry
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Mon Oct 16, 2006 12:32 pm |
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| Sultan wrote: | | FocusFactor wrote: | Good for Shasta, not to have to be questioned and re-live the ordeal.
Either way, Duncan will never get out. Too bad it took so many dead kids to figure that out. |
Good for Shasta?, I read that she wanted to testify. |
Shasta was prepared to testify bc she had to but both her and Steve asked the prosecutor to make a deal. The first one was rejected, but this one was accepted. (probably bc if he doesnt get DP in fed then he can come back to idaho for sentencing phase on the murders as part of the deal - dont get why duncan accepted this deal but glad he did)
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Mon Oct 16, 2006 12:36 pm |
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| victims cry wrote: | | Sultan wrote: | | FocusFactor wrote: | Good for Shasta, not to have to be questioned and re-live the ordeal.
Either way, Duncan will never get out. Too bad it took so many dead kids to figure that out. |
Good for Shasta?, I read that she wanted to testify. |
Shasta was prepared to testify bc she had to but both her and Steve asked the prosecutor to make a deal. The first one was rejected, but this one was accepted. (probably bc if he doesnt get DP in fed then he can come back to idaho for sentencing phase on the murders as part of the deal - dont get why duncan accepted this deal but glad he did) |
So, if I'm reading this right he is still in jeopardy of the DP?
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Mon Oct 16, 2006 12:40 pm |
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| GeorgiaMom wrote: | | SavannahStar wrote: | | Sultan wrote: | | Lord, I hope they don't let this guy off less than the Death Penalty. If he does not deserve if it knowone does. |
He copped the plea deal to avoid the death penalty.
He's scum anyway you look at it. He better watch his back in prison, 24/7. |
I agree. I'm all for the death penalty, but in this case I think death would be to easy. Let him live out the rest of his days as somebodys toy. His life will be hell in prison as a child murderer and molester. |
He will be put in protective custody just like Peterson is. The he will spend his remaining day go over his sick fantasy's while en barking on a new career in art and creative writing for some nut to post on the net.
No, this sick F*$CK that needs the life sucked out of him as slow as possible. Every day he draws a breath is another day human kind has to suffer this bastered.
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Mon Oct 16, 2006 12:57 pm |
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| Sultan wrote: | | victims cry wrote: | | Sultan wrote: | | FocusFactor wrote: | Good for Shasta, not to have to be questioned and re-live the ordeal.
Either way, Duncan will never get out. Too bad it took so many dead kids to figure that out. |
Good for Shasta?, I read that she wanted to testify. |
Shasta was prepared to testify bc she had to but both her and Steve asked the prosecutor to make a deal. The first one was rejected, but this one was accepted. (probably bc if he doesnt get DP in fed then he can come back to idaho for sentencing phase on the murders as part of the deal - dont get why duncan accepted this deal but glad he did) |
So, if I'm reading this right he is still in jeopardy of the DP? |
Yes he is. IF by some miracle he doesnt get DP in the fed case of dylans murder and shastas kidnapping/assaults/torture, then he will be returned to Idaho and there will still be a sentencing phase on th murder of shastas mom, the b/f and her brother and the DP will be on the table again.
Also now they will be given the pws and encryption codes to unlock duncans computer which might well give answers to other crimes/murders.
Essentially he wins nothing, which is why im confused that he accepted it
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Mon Oct 16, 2006 1:12 pm |
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Either way, he wont last long. There is not enough security for him, no matter where he is.
Dead man walking.
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| Pooky
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Mon Oct 16, 2006 1:17 pm |
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| Sultan wrote: | ::snipped::
No, this sick F*$CK that needs the life sucked out of him as slow as possible. Every day he draws a breath is another day human kind has to suffer this bastered. |
I totally agree. He deserves to die, he should not get the luxury of living out his life at taxpayers expense.
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Mon Oct 16, 2006 1:30 pm |
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| victims cry wrote: | | Sultan wrote: | | victims cry wrote: | | Sultan wrote: | | FocusFactor wrote: | Good for Shasta, not to have to be questioned and re-live the ordeal.
Either way, Duncan will never get out. Too bad it took so many dead kids to figure that out. |
Good for Shasta?, I read that she wanted to testify. |
Shasta was prepared to testify bc she had to but both her and Steve asked the prosecutor to make a deal. The first one was rejected, but this one was accepted. (probably bc if he doesnt get DP in fed then he can come back to idaho for sentencing phase on the murders as part of the deal - dont get why duncan accepted this deal but glad he did) |
So, if I'm reading this right he is still in jeopardy of the DP? |
Yes he is. IF by some miracle he doesnt get DP in the fed case of dylans murder and shastas kidnapping/assaults/torture, then he will be returned to Idaho and there will still be a sentencing phase on th murder of shastas mom, the b/f and her brother and the DP will be on the table again.
Also now they will be given the pws and encryption codes to unlock duncans computer which might well give answers to other crimes/murders.
Essentially he wins nothing, which is why im confused that he accepted it |
The I also don't know what he had to gain, but let's just say the good guys got one over on the bad guy this time. Blows my mind his attorney would allow this? I guess he will take his chances at sentencing...........................good luck, hahahaha.
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Mon Oct 16, 2006 1:41 pm |
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| Sultan wrote: | | victims cry wrote: | | Sultan wrote: | | victims cry wrote: | | Sultan wrote: | | FocusFactor wrote: | Good for Shasta, not to have to be questioned and re-live the ordeal.
Either way, Duncan will never get out. Too bad it took so many dead kids to figure that out. |
Good for Shasta?, I read that she wanted to testify. |
Shasta was prepared to testify bc she had to but both her and Steve asked the prosecutor to make a deal. The first one was rejected, but this one was accepted. (probably bc if he doesnt get DP in fed then he can come back to idaho for sentencing phase on the murders as part of the deal - dont get why duncan accepted this deal but glad he did) |
So, if I'm reading this right he is still in jeopardy of the DP? |
Yes he is. IF by some miracle he doesnt get DP in the fed case of dylans murder and shastas kidnapping/assaults/torture, then he will be returned to Idaho and there will still be a sentencing phase on th murder of shastas mom, the b/f and her brother and the DP will be on the table again.
Also now they will be given the pws and encryption codes to unlock duncans computer which might well give answers to other crimes/murders.
Essentially he wins nothing, which is why im confused that he accepted it |
The I also don't know what he had to gain, but let's just say the good guys got one over on the bad guy this time. Blows my mind his attorney would allow this? I guess he will take his chances at sentencing...........................good luck, hahahaha. |
seems we are all in agreement on this one. It's tough to imagine tax dollars sheltering and feeding this monster. Although, that can be said for many convicted felons.
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Mon Oct 16, 2006 1:59 pm |
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| victims cry wrote: | Here is one article. (FOX says it has been reached this article says possible)
| Quote: | Deal WAS reached
He plead guilty to all 6 counts in Idaho..
and was sentenced then and there to life without parole for the kidnappings but they will wait until after the federal case to sentence on the murder chargers, which officially leaves the Death Penalty as an option. Should he not get Death in the federal case, he will be returned to Idaho and the Death penalty phase would proceed.
http://www.king5.com/w/
"Prosecutors have accepted a plea agreement by lawyers for Joseph Duncan that would have Duncan plead guilty to three counts of first degree murder and three counts of first degree kidnapping in exchange for waiving his right to extradition, future appeals, and reveal any and all passcodes to sealed computer information. Watch live coveage of the Joseph Duncan murder trial now on NorthWest Cable News"
This is the right thing for Shasta and should clear up the murders of two sisters in seattle.
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Yes, I agree, it is the right thing for Shasta as I don't see how confronting him again would help her mental health one bit. Obviously he must have had some pretty sophisticated passcodes to his computer info or so many that it has been too hard to get them all and if he has confessions of any other crimes on there at least prosecutors will be able to look into those. No taxpayer dollars for appeals and can't fight extradiction. Hopefully, they will put some of the same restrictions on him as Dennis Rader got.
Professionals were only able to study Ted Bundy for a short time before his execution and if Duncan can be studied and shed light on how his evil mind worked and how his mental state got him to where he became and who he became, I think it will serve a purpose.
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Mon Oct 16, 2006 2:04 pm |
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| pausebreak wrote: | | Professionals were only able to study Ted Bundy for a short time before his execution and if Duncan can be studied and shed light on how his evil mind worked and how his mental state got him to where he became and who he became, I think it will serve a purpose. |
That's actually an excellent point, Pause....but not very palatable to most people.
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Mon Oct 16, 2006 3:06 pm |
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| SavannahStar wrote: | | Sultan wrote: | | Lord, I hope they don't let this guy off less than the Death Penalty. If he does not deserve if it knowone does. |
He copped the plea deal to avoid the death penalty.
He's scum anyway you look at it. He better watch his back in prison, 24/7. |
Sum indeed. Least in prison he can get him a fan club of lonely women writing him like other killers do. I'm sure theres some fruitloops lined up a mile to start being the sicko's pen pal.
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Mon Oct 16, 2006 4:58 pm |
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If only the reporters had camped out there...
Oh...if only the news teams and reporters and greta and big nose Geraldo etc had camped out there, searching and looking for these 2 little innocents....maybe they would have found them before this monster killed Dylan and also saved Shasta more days of horror..
However, they were busy covering a NON story...silly drunken adult goes on a booze included party trip and acts like a fool and leaves with strangers...well...duhhhhh
Just as it also bugs the hell out of me that these fake media pigs could have chosen to camp out by Jessica's trailer, they could have forced themselves in the Coey trailer, the way that Greta forced herself into the VDS house..
Just think...they might have even done saved Jessica
But oh....that was not as important as a missing drunken foolish adult on an exotic island whose rich family had pull and professional PR people
Frankly no matter what happened to silly Natalee I am sure it was better and "easier" than what happened to dear little Groene kids, and dear little Jessica who was buried ALIVE
the thought of these dear innocents is just overwhelmingly sad ...
many times I have had to run out of the room or mute the TV when they rehash the details of sweet little jessica's death....
I am amazed that people are so wound up about a silly adult and her greedy family...just shows how the media can warp a story
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Re: If only the reporters had camped out there...
| FreefromStupidity wrote: | Oh...if only the news teams and reporters and greta and big nose Geraldo etc had camped out there, searching and looking for these 2 little innocents....maybe they would have found them before this monster killed Dylan and also saved Shasta more days of horror..
However, they were busy covering a NON story...silly drunken adult goes on a booze included party trip and acts like a fool and leaves with strangers...well...duhhhhh
Just as it also bugs the hell out of me that these fake media pigs could have chosen to camp out by Jessica's trailer, they could have forced themselves in the Coey trailer, the way that Greta forced herself into the VDS house.. Just think...they might have even done saved Jessica
But oh....that was not as important as a missing drunken foolish adult on an exotic island whose rich family had pull and professional PR people
Frankly no matter what happened to silly Natalee I am sure it was better and "easier" than what happened to dear little Groene kids, and dear little Jessica who was buried ALIVE
the thought of these dear innocents is just overwhelmingly sad ...
many times I have had to run out of the room or mute the TV when they rehash the details of sweet little jessica's death....
I am amazed that people are so wound up about a silly adult and her greedy family...just shows how the media can warp a story |
Greta FORCED her way into the VDS home??
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Mon Oct 16, 2006 5:19 pm |
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http://www.courttv.com/trials/duncan/docs/factualbasis.html?page=2
Has the list of items found in Duncans jeep and part of the plea deal.
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Mon Oct 16, 2006 9:04 pm |
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http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/6420AP_ID_Duncan_Slayings_Plea_Bargain.html
Details of Joseph Duncan's plea bargain agreement
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Details of Joseph Edward Duncan III's plea bargain agreement with Kootenai County, Idaho, prosecutors:
-Unconditional guilty pleas to three counts of first degree murder and three counts of first-degree kidnapping, which cannot be withdrawn. He will be sentenced to life without parole for the kidnappings, and cannot appeal.
-If the government fails to win the death penalty against Duncan in his federal court trial, he will be returned immediately to Kootenai County to face a death sentencing jury on the murder confessions. If he receives the federal death penalty, he will remain in federal custody until his execution.
-Duncan will provide the password or keys to his encrypted computer files to his federal public defender. The files are thought to contain details of his crimes.
-Family members of his victims can testify at sentencing proceedings without being cross-examined by defense.
-Video and audio tapes of law enforcement interviews with victim Shasta Groene, 9, may be used in the death penalty sentencing in Kootenai County if that becomes necessary.
-The agreement in no way binds the U.S. Department of Justice in its prosecution of Duncan, and any statement he makes in state cases can be used against him in any court.
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Mon Oct 16, 2006 9:11 pm |
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I do not believe the death penalty should be an option in ANY case.
For the sake of Shasta Groene, I also hope the Feds reach the same plea agreement.
Otherwise, she would be required to testify.
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Child killer asks to be his own lawyer
BOISE, Idaho (AP) -- Convicted child killer Joseph Edward Duncan III told a federal judge Friday that he wants to represent himself at his sentencing hearing.
A jury is being chosen to decide whether Duncan should be put to death for the abduction and slaying of 9-year-old Dylan Groene in 2005.
"I don't have an issue with counsel personally," Duncan said in court. "It's ideological. I don't believe that they can ethically represent my ideologies."
Duncan did not elaborate on what those ideologies are. But authorities have examined an Internet blog that he kept for months before the slayings which documented his internal struggle against right and wrong, railed against the ostracizing of convicted sex offenders, and offered religious views.
U.S. District Judge Edward Lodge said he needed to make certain that Duncan was competent to waive his right to professional representation. He ordered attorneys on both sides to recommend area psychiatrists or psychologists who can evaluate him.
Duncan pleaded guilty in December to 10 federal crimes stemming from the 2005 kidnapping of Dylan and his then 8-year-old sister, Shasta Groene. Both were taken from their Coeur d'Alene home in May 2005 and sexually abused before Duncan shot and killed Dylan at a campsite in western Montana.
Duncan previously pleaded guilty in Idaho state court to killing the children's mother, Brenda Groene; her boyfriend, Mark McKenzie, and 13-year-old Slade Groene at the family home.
Jury selection for the federal sentencing phase began Monday, but Duncan told Lodge he wouldn't expect a switch to delay the trial.
If Duncan represents himself, it could put him in the position to cross-examine Shasta Groene, the sole survivor of the murders and abduction.
It is not yet clear if either side expects to call Shasta as a witness.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/18/duncan.slayings.ap/index.html
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I hope for Shasta's sake they will not let him be is own defense. Her father must be chomping at the bit about this.
This guy is so wacked. If it weren't for the cross examination on Shasta I would say heck yeah let the monster hang himself. He deserves not only the death penalty but if there were a more painful and cruel way to go he certainly deserves it.
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