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hubbahubba
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Tue Oct 31, 2006 10:05 pm |
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DNA... clears man of 1981 rape conviction
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061101/ap_on_re_us/conviction_cleared
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| victims cry
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Wed Nov 01, 2006 7:35 am |
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Re: DNA... clears man of 1981 rape conviction
| hubbahubba wrote: | | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061101/ap_on_re_us/conviction_cleared |
This makes me as sick to my stomach as it did the judge. You know the majority of us here are sure k2j are falsely "convicted in the public", but we have so many who are convicted in actualyity and spend decades in prison as this gentleman did.
I would love to start a forum on the exonerated, discussing one case every couple of days if others are interested?
Sadly, these men and very lucky they are in jail for rape/murders because if it was "just' a murder dna would not be available, and the Innocence Project only works in cases with DNA. Want to guess what the statistics would be for those cases where there is no dna to test??
In Barry Schecks book "Actual Innocence", he describes more than a few cases where the prosecutors fight tooth and nail to stop the dna from beign tested. In one case (utah iirc) the juddge asked the DA what she would have said in the cases of 3 men who had been exonerated due to dna testing, and her answer was "It wouldn't have happened, would not have allowed the testing"!!!! The judge apparently rolled his eyes and immediately signed the order for the dna to be tested. The convict was exonderated and released
Another tid bit. Florida prosecutors and lawmakers got so fed up that he lobbied and pushed for a law not allowing dna testing after 2 years of conviction. Reason? it put to much of a burden on prosecutors to have to refight the cases. Much better to keep the convicted in jail, innocent or not.
Anyone else interested in "exonerated" stories? i would love a forum on it, iff ppl would discuss the cases.
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Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:02 am |
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Re: DNA... clears man of 1981 rape conviction
| victims cry wrote: | | hubbahubba wrote: | | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061101/ap_on_re_us/conviction_cleared |
This makes me as sick to my stomach as it did the judge. You know the majority of us here are sure k2j are falsely "convicted in the public", but we have so many who are convicted in actualyity and spend decades in prison as this gentleman did.
I would love to start a forum on the exonerated, discussing one case every couple of days if others are interested?
Sadly, these men and very lucky they are in jail for rape/murders because if it was "just' a murder dna would not be available, and the Innocence Project only works in cases with DNA. Want to guess what the statistics would be for those cases where there is no dna to test??
In Barry Schecks book "Actual Innocence", he describes more than a few cases where the prosecutors fight tooth and nail to stop the dna from beign tested. In one case (utah iirc) the juddge asked the DA what she would have said in the cases of 3 men who had been exonerated due to dna testing, and her answer was "It wouldn't have happened, would not have allowed the testing"!!!! The judge apparently rolled his eyes and immediately signed the order for the dna to be tested. The convict was exonderated and released
Another tid bit. Florida prosecutors and lawmakers got so fed up that he lobbied and pushed for a law not allowing dna testing after 2 years of conviction. Reason? it put to much of a burden on prosecutors to have to refight the cases. Much better to keep the convicted in jail, innocent or not.
Anyone else interested in "exonerated" stories? i would love a forum on it, iff ppl would discuss the cases. |
You go girl. Drives me NUTS we allow this to happen.
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| dugo
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Wed Nov 01, 2006 2:54 pm |
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FYI http://www.innocenceproject.com/
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| astrid
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Wed Nov 01, 2006 5:19 pm |
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ty.
ABOUT THE INNOCENCE PROJECT
The Innocence Project at the Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law was created by Barry C. Scheck and Peter J. Neufeld in 1992. It was set up as and remains a non-profit legal clinic. This Project only handles cases where postconviction DNA testing of evidence can yield conclusive proof of innocence. As a clinic, students handle the case work while supervised by a team of attorneys and clinic staff.
Most of our clients are poor, forgotten, and have used up all of their legal avenues for relief. The hope they all have is that biological evidence from their cases still exists and can be subjected to DNA testing. All Innocence Project clients go through an extensive screening process to determine whether or not DNA testing of evidence could prove their claims of innocence. Thousands currently await our evaluation of their cases.
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| danascully
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Wed Nov 01, 2006 5:52 pm |
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Thanks, Dugo. Maddening to know some spend so many years in prison for crimes not committed. I think I will try to get the book by Barry Scheck VC mentioned above.
And VC I'm sure others are as glad & appreciative as I that you are sending us down alternate paths to explore! Thanks! 
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Wed Nov 01, 2006 7:03 pm |
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Very very interesting. Thanks for the thread!
I've mentioned earlier, being "tried in the court of public opinion" is one thing.
My compassion is extended far more to those who have been wrongfully convicted of a crime.
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| hubbahubba
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Wed Nov 01, 2006 7:08 pm |
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Re: DNA... clears man of 1981 rape conviction
| victims cry wrote: | | hubbahubba wrote: | | http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061101/ap_on_re_us/conviction_cleared |
This makes me as sick to my stomach as it did the judge. You know the majority of us here are sure k2j are falsely "convicted in the public", but we have so many who are convicted in actualyity and spend decades in prison as this gentleman did.
I would love to start a forum on the exonerated, discussing one case every couple of days if others are interested?
Sadly, these men and very lucky they are in jail for rape/murders because if it was "just' a murder dna would not be available, and the Innocence Project only works in cases with DNA. Want to guess what the statistics would be for those cases where there is no dna to test??
In Barry Schecks book "Actual Innocence", he describes more than a few cases where the prosecutors fight tooth and nail to stop the dna from beign tested. In one case (utah iirc) the juddge asked the DA what she would have said in the cases of 3 men who had been exonerated due to dna testing, and her answer was "It wouldn't have happened, would not have allowed the testing"!!!! The judge apparently rolled his eyes and immediately signed the order for the dna to be tested. The convict was exonderated and released
Another tid bit. Florida prosecutors and lawmakers got so fed up that he lobbied and pushed for a law not allowing dna testing after 2 years of conviction. Reason? it put to much of a burden on prosecutors to have to refight the cases. Much better to keep the convicted in jail, innocent or not.
Anyone else interested in "exonerated" stories? i would love a forum on it, iff ppl would discuss the cases. |
why not, it would be interesting....to discuss things....however, i will point this out and i say this without apprehension, and or offense to any one in particular...
the very ones who elect officials into office, are the responsible people...we can sit here on the blogs forever a day, and get into heated debates, what will be the end result?.........what will the constituents that you elected change?.....do they come here and read the blogs? perhaps, perhaps not?......the people, citizens need to take an active role, and write letters, where it counts...lobby your politicians, make a difference in changing laws for a good cause...
i laughed a bit when -freefromstupidity started to encourage people to write...their tone may have been a little aggressive, however their cause was true whether u wish to admit it or not....we can idle here, and discuss, but that won't change the laws one bit, and in how our future will be....a good example zealots, and public opinion, media who promotes this type of thing...look at this case and the mess, and what connection allowed, and overstepping boundries on an island...i could go on but you get the gist i'm certain......lobby lobby lobby. do your duty and be heard, if u want changes..
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| pax
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Wed Nov 01, 2006 7:18 pm |
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Hubba, that's a very good point. Voting is supposed to be the minimum one does, not the maximum, in a democratic society. I think a lot of people here do many wonderful things when they are not posting here. Don't presume too much.
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| shirley
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Wed Nov 01, 2006 9:38 pm |
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I would love to see more threads on innocent people being released from prison. I just can't imagine for the life of me , what it would be like to spend years in prison when you know you did not commit the crime. It makes me so sad .
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| hubbahubba
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Thu Nov 02, 2006 1:18 am |
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| shirley wrote: | | I would love to see more threads on innocent people being released from prison. I just can't imagine for the life of me , what it would be like to spend years in prison when you know you did not commit the crime. It makes me so sad . |
well there was a case not too long ago, about a man who spent some serious years in a state prison for a crime he did not committ....he was exonerated on the dna evidence many years after...
-nostril flare nancy sat there and argued with him, and said he was responsible for the crime, after all the exoneration, and another man admitting he did the crime...
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Thu Nov 16, 2006 8:43 pm |
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thanks for this thread very interesting, i just watched a program don't remember what channel it was on but they had a few people that went to prison and were found later with dna that was innocent and some were in there for 20 years, they talked afterwards a little bit,and one guy on there was a bit bitter, the one case where it was a rape and they were picked out of line up, and all three of the guys looked so darn close,but after the dna it it cleared him and all those years lost.
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| shirley wrote: | | I would love to see more threads on innocent people being released from prison. I just can't imagine for the life of me , what it would be like to spend years in prison when you know you did not commit the crime. It makes me so sad . |
Have any of you read the book Actual Innocence by Scheck, Neufeld, and Jim Dwyer? It's really a good, easy read. It contains quite a few case histories of some of their first cases for the Innoncence Project. I use it in my HS genetics class. My students really get into it.
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I've just finished Grisham's nonfiction, The Innocent Man, that was resolved by the same project. It is truly amazing what goes on in our court sytem. Actual Innocence is next on my list. Thanks.
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wait until you read actual innocence. there are stories in there that make me cry and its the reason i no longer accept DA's or cops at their word just bc.
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| Linny1125 wrote: | | I've just finished Grisham's nonfiction, The Innocent Man, that was resolved by the same project. It is truly amazing what goes on in our court sytem. Actual Innocence is next on my list. Thanks. |
I received The Innocent Man for Christmas. I'm letting my sister read it first. I plan to read it New Year's eve and New Year's day.
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Get ready to be royally ticked at the ineptitude of the penal system.
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This is the reason I am against the death penalty. Too many innocent people serving time for crimes they never comitted. Once you kill them you can't bring them back. Just like yu can't give an innocent person all the years that was stolen from them.
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| Mariah wrote: | | This is the reason I am against the death penalty. Too many innocent people serving time for crimes they never comitted. Once you kill them you can't bring them back. Just like yu can't give an innocent person all the years that was stolen from them. |
And I have found that there isn't even any compensasion in the majority of states. Some don't even bother saying "Sorry." And -- it could happen to anyone who happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time!
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| SideTracked wrote: | | Mariah wrote: | | This is the reason I am against the death penalty. Too many innocent people serving time for crimes they never comitted. Once you kill them you can't bring them back. Just like yu can't give an innocent person all the years that was stolen from them. |
And I have found that there isn't even any compensasion in the majority of states. Some don't even bother saying "Sorry." And -- it could happen to anyone who happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time! |
Exactly. I do like how the innocence project website marks compensation given or not for each exonerated persons page. tis rare to see it.
Mariah, like you its a major reason i am against the death penalty. The people who were convicted of raping as well as murder are lucky. they have dna to be tested. The ones convicted of plain murder don't get the chance to be exonerated  if they were wrongly convicted.
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| SideTracked wrote: | | shirley wrote: | | I would love to see more threads on innocent people being released from prison. I just can't imagine for the life of me , what it would be like to spend years in prison when you know you did not commit the crime. It makes me so sad . |
Have any of you read the book Actual Innocence by Scheck, Neufeld, and Jim Dwyer? It's really a good, easy read. It contains quite a few case histories of some of their first cases for the Innoncence Project. I use it in my HS genetics class. My students really get into it. |
I will try to find that book. I wanted to get The Innocent Man also.
Both will now be on my list. Thanks
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| shirley wrote: | | SideTracked wrote: | | shirley wrote: | | I would love to see more threads on innocent people being released from prison. I just can't imagine for the life of me , what it would be like to spend years in prison when you know you did not commit the crime. It makes me so sad . |
Have any of you read the book Actual Innocence by Scheck, Neufeld, and Jim Dwyer? It's really a good, easy read. It contains quite a few case histories of some of their first cases for the Innoncence Project. I use it in my HS genetics class. My students really get into it. |
I will try to find that book. I wanted to get The Innocent Man also.
Both will now be on my list. Thanks |
If you have trouble finding it, let me know. It's at school but I will be back there Wed. (the 3rd) and I can get you the publishing company, ISBN # or whatever else could be useful. I'm pretty sure the copyright is 2000.
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If you have trouble finding it, let me know. It's at school but I will be back there Wed. (the 3rd) and I can get you the publishing company, ISBN # or whatever else could be useful. I'm pretty sure the copyright is 2000.[/quote]
I found a lot of copies on Amazon. Some new and some used.
I don't have an account with them or pay pal, so will have to check
payment options.
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| shirley wrote: | | If you have trouble finding it, let me know. It's at school but I will be back there Wed. (the 3rd) and I can get you the publishing company, ISBN # or whatever else could be useful. I'm pretty sure the copyright is 2000. |
I found a lot of copies on Amazon. Some new and some used.
I don't have an account with them or pay pal, so will have to check
payment options.[/quote]
It'll be well worth it. Happy reading. 
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I can still quote bits of the book verbatim, even though i read it years ago. It made such an effect. (i often quote the awful DA that said to the judge the 3 exonerated in another state wouldnt have happened bc they wouldnt allow it in her state, and the judge shook his head and allowed the DNA testing)
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