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nichols9891
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Fri Oct 05, 2007 4:22 pm |
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3 boys conversation recorded in police van
The best insight into the truth from the boys should be contained in the transcript of the 3 that the police secretly recorded. Has anyone been able to understand that transcript?
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Fri Oct 05, 2007 4:24 pm |
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Hayley Segona - Huntington, New York
What a strange coincidence that Beth's first book signing, on the very
day the book was released was in Huntington, New York.
Small world eh 
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Fri Oct 05, 2007 4:29 pm |
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| Heli wrote: | Hayley Segona - Huntington, New York
What a strange coincidence that Beth's first book signing, on the very
day the book was released was in Huntington, New York.
Small world eh |
So who is Hayley Sagona?
Seems easy enough for LE to check, and it looks like they did....so what is her link to the case?
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| Heli
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Fri Oct 05, 2007 5:00 pm |
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| resigned wrote: | | Heli wrote: | Hayley Segona - Huntington, New York
What a strange coincidence that Beth's first book signing, on the very
day the book was released was in Huntington, New York.
Small world eh |
So who is Hayley Sagona?
Seems easy enough for LE to check, and it looks like they did....so what is her link to the case? |
Mystery it would seem. What makes it curious, is the urine sample taken
several days after Natalee disappeared.
As many of us know, urine will reveal drugs that may have been taken
up to 2 or even 3 days previous so .... I'm baffled and can't really
hazard a guess that would be even remotely reasonable
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| BhamMom
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Fri Oct 05, 2007 5:03 pm |
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| resigned wrote: | | BhamMom wrote: |
Joran never denied being with Natalee at all. He was a scared kid and if the group had been out looking for me, I would would probably lie too. Think about it, they went to Joran's house. Paulus did not have to go outside and speak with them and he sure as heck didn't have to go find his son and subject him to them. There was nothing that legally said he had to do that and I believe as this was done out of kindness on his part. |
Why did he go out if he was asleep at the time?
Was there a knock on the door by the "posse" after Charles Croes led them to the house?
Or did he go out because the posse, Charles Croes &, DEA Williams with the ALE in tow were outside sounding their siren?
Where's that "beach kid" at by this time...when did he get out of the car? |
I don't think the beach kid was ever in the car according to Beth. Remember, in the book Beth and all the crew met at the gas station with Charles and she got in the car with him. She never mentioned anyone being with him and I do think she said he followed them on the trek they made.
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Fri Oct 05, 2007 5:05 pm |
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| Heli wrote: | | resigned wrote: | | Heli wrote: | Hayley Segona - Huntington, New York
What a strange coincidence that Beth's first book signing, on the very
day the book was released was in Huntington, New York.
Small world eh |
So who is Hayley Sagona?
Seems easy enough for LE to check, and it looks like they did....so what is her link to the case? |
Mystery it would seem. What makes it curious, is the urine sample taken
several days after Natalee disappeared.
As many of us know, urine will reveal drugs that may have been taken
up to 2 or even 3 days previous so .... I'm baffled and can't really
hazard a guess that would be even remotely reasonable |
Maybe "Bobble-Head Natalee" took a plane out of Aruba the next day and the FBI came a looking?
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| Kellan
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Sat Oct 06, 2007 8:20 pm |
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| resigned wrote: | | Glenda wrote: | | CancunMole wrote: |
If I am reading this correctly, why would they have called the Polis to the Buccaneer first rather than right to the actual location where she was thought to be? Doesn't make sense unless they had gotten her out already??? |
BINGO!! 4 hours had passed before the ALE was called, and while everyone was distracted.... The ALE OFFICIALLY RULED OUT that Natalee was not inside, we could move on to the next sceen ~ lighthouse, pond, fisherman's huts, turtle's nest, landfill, northshore, south shore, sex trade, Venezuela, Mexico, back to Lorenzo and of course the condom in the sand dunes by lighthouse really drew ratings.
This would also make sense as to why it took Beth, Jug and the Posse ~ without Dave ~ to show up so late to identify the person that the ALE believed 98% sure it was Natalee. This is also the same time frame that they started calling coruption and coverup. Humm telling at that. |
Could this be the woman that ALE were 98% positive were Natalee, and that is why tests were done on her?
Hayley Carroro Sagona
Urine sample Huntington, NY
6/6/05
O'Brian (nurse)
Hayley Carroro Sagona
Jamaica,NY 6/6/05
Mchugh |
Somehow I missed something. (Which isn't hard to do these days, lol!) The posts hop from March to October - where did the other posts go to?
jKellan
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| pausebreak
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Sat Oct 06, 2007 8:31 pm |
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Just resurrected an old thread...
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Sat Oct 06, 2007 8:42 pm |
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| Kellan wrote: | | resigned wrote: | | Glenda wrote: | | CancunMole wrote: |
If I am reading this correctly, why would they have called the Polis to the Buccaneer first rather than right to the actual location where she was thought to be? Doesn't make sense unless they had gotten her out already??? |
BINGO!! 4 hours had passed before the ALE was called, and while everyone was distracted.... The ALE OFFICIALLY RULED OUT that Natalee was not inside, we could move on to the next sceen ~ lighthouse, pond, fisherman's huts, turtle's nest, landfill, northshore, south shore, sex trade, Venezuela, Mexico, back to Lorenzo and of course the condom in the sand dunes by lighthouse really drew ratings.
This would also make sense as to why it took Beth, Jug and the Posse ~ without Dave ~ to show up so late to identify the person that the ALE believed 98% sure it was Natalee. This is also the same time frame that they started calling coruption and coverup. Humm telling at that. |
Could this be the woman that ALE were 98% positive were Natalee, and that is why tests were done on her?
Hayley Carroro Sagona
Urine sample Huntington, NY
6/6/05
O'Brian (nurse)
Hayley Carroro Sagona
Jamaica,NY 6/6/05
Mchugh |
Somehow I missed something. (Which isn't hard to do these days, lol!) The posts hop from March to October - where did the other posts go to?
jKellan |
The thread was fading out. You haven't missed any posts.
I was rereading it. I was confused about the security tapes and whether there is one with Lee & someone-that-looks-like Natalee coming out of the bathroom and/or a front desk tape with FEB, someone-looks-like Natalee
& a rasta guy and what times they were allegedly "stamped".
I just saw the Hayley Sagona statement time and thought that might be one of the women that was mistaken to be Natalee. There is a Hayley Sagona from Huntington NY, but it seems that she is a 37 yo woman..so that probably wouldn't be right.
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| Kellan
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Sat Oct 06, 2007 9:26 pm |
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The thread was fading out. You haven't missed any posts.
I was rereading it. I was confused about the security tapes and whether there is one with Lee & someone-that-looks-like Natalee coming out of the bathroom and/or a front desk tape with FEB, someone-looks-like Natalee
& a rasta guy and what times they were allegedly "stamped".
I just saw the Hayley Sagona statement time and thought that might be one of the women that was mistaken to be Natalee. There is a Hayley Sagona from Huntington NY, but it seems that she is a 37 yo woman..so that probably wouldn't be right. |
Ohhhhh, ok! Thanks, Pat!
I don't get to read as much as I used to, but I am trying to keep up.
Kellan
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| sheranaway
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Sat Oct 06, 2007 9:32 pm |
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Maybe "Bobble-Head Natalee" took a plane out of Aruba the next day and the FBI came a looking? |
Speaking of planes out of Aruba. Has anyone been able to track the McWane jets? Seems like they don't want their info public. 
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Sat Oct 06, 2007 10:05 pm |
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| sheranaway wrote: | | resigned wrote: |
Maybe "Bobble-Head Natalee" took a plane out of Aruba the next day and the FBI came a looking? |
Speaking of planes out of Aruba. Has anyone been able to track the McWane jets? Seems like they don't want their info public.
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Since we have been told that people on the island were solicited to help with evacuation of Natalee from the island via a secret MedJet evacuation plan, it would seem logical to think that the Twittys also would have solicited help by in getting her to a McWane Jet & out of Aruba.
No matter if Natalee met the plane after staying hidden, someone found Natalee or if she was whisked out as part of an overall scam....she still would have had to get to the tarmac & on the plane without anyone seeing her. I don't think that would be likely without the help of someone locally at the airport. JMO
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Sat Oct 06, 2007 10:11 pm |
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| Isanah wrote: | | resigned wrote: | | Glenda wrote: | | CancunMole wrote: |
If I am reading this correctly, why would they have called the Polis to the Buccaneer first rather than right to the actual location where she was thought to be? Doesn't make sense unless they had gotten her out already??? |
BINGO!! 4 hours had passed before the ALE was called, and while everyone was distracted.... The ALE OFFICIALLY RULED OUT that Natalee was not inside, we could move on to the next sceen ~ lighthouse, pond, fisherman's huts, turtle's nest, landfill, northshore, south shore, sex trade, Venezuela, Mexico, back to Lorenzo and of course the condom in the sand dunes by lighthouse really drew ratings.
This would also make sense as to why it took Beth, Jug and the Posse ~ without Dave ~ to show up so late to identify the person that the ALE believed 98% sure it was Natalee. This is also the same time frame that they started calling coruption and coverup. Humm telling at that. |
Could this be the woman that ALE were 98% positive were Natalee, and that is why tests were done on her?
Hayley Carroro Sagona
Urine sample Huntington, NY
6/6/05
O'Brian (nurse)
Hayley Carroro Sagona
Jamaica,NY 6/6/05
Mchugh |
Perhaps Hayley is a witness of Natalee being at the front desk. Then the Beth team contended she was "not reliable" because she is a drug addict. Thus a drug test was taken to verify that Hayley was not a drug user??? |
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Sat Oct 06, 2007 10:21 pm |
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Possibly, Isanah......but if she were a witness to Natalee at the front desk after she was at the "beach" and we know that the FBI drug tested her and questioned her..........
........Then either Hayley would have had to been paid to stay quiet by the Family and being somewhat confident that the FBI wouldn't mention it...if not, it is likely that Hayley would have sold that bombshell to some type of "news" organization by now. JMO
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Sat Oct 06, 2007 11:21 pm |
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When and why would you urine test a witness?
Maybe she thought she'd been drugged at Carlos & Charlies.
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| BhamMom
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Sat Oct 06, 2007 11:27 pm |
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I would think you would do it to prove a witness unreliable.
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I don't know if LE can require a "witness" to submit to a drug test without their consent unless there is something unlawful going on with that person.
I would think that If they can or have been given consent .....it would only go to credibility of the witness and the "other side" would then be able to still decide if they want to use that witness.
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| gilligan
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Sat Oct 06, 2007 11:53 pm |
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Nah, I like the previous version better. If you offer to provide a witness statement in the US the FBI won't believe you unless you provide a urine sample! 
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| gilligan wrote: | | Nah, I like the previous version better. If you offer to provide a witness statement in the US the FBI won't believe you unless you provide a urine sample! |
It's why criminal drug cases are so hampered.
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........Maybe Hayley is the key to determining what is required to be considered not a credible a witness in this case. 
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I don't have enough information about what this person said to make any kind of a guess at her credibility. All I know is she peed and talked.
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| gilligan wrote: | | I don't have enough information about what this person said to make any kind of a guess at her credibility. All I know is she peed and talked. |
Actually we only know that she submitted a urine sample. I know people who haven't necessarily given their own, even with supervision.
There's a market for "clean urine".
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If I were to give a sample it would test positive for caffeine. Am I truthy, or what?
The way I know it to work is the judge, jury or judge and jury make their own determination as to credibility of witness statements. The investigators/witness statement takers shouldn't take responsibility to make that determination on themselves and if they do, what does it matter?
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| gilligan wrote: | If I were to give a sample it would test positive for caffeine. Am I truthy, or what?
The way I know it to work is the judge, jury or judge and jury make their own determination as to credibility of witness statements. The investigators/witness statement takers shouldn't take responsibility to make that determination on themselves and if they do, what does it matter? |
I agree.
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It would be interesting to read Hayley's statement. If she did believe that she was drugged, I'm curious as to the results.
If I were going to to buy a drug witness...I'd also throw in the drugs that I would want them to test positive for.
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Re: 3 boys conversation recorded in police van
| nichols9891 wrote: | | The best insight into the truth from the boys should be contained in the transcript of the 3 that the police secretly recorded. Has anyone been able to understand that transcript? |
I grew up in Suriname and Dutch is my native tongue, yes, I understand it crystal clear. The one between D & S too.
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