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prolific
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Thu Feb 01, 2007 5:44 pm |
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| Isanah wrote: | | Then all the talk about Natalee asking Joran to dance? In Lee's statements, Natalee doesn't ever talk to Juran LNU! |
Lee says Natalee didn't acknowlege Joran that one time that they passed him on their way to the bathroom, then Lee left to go do belly shots. There's no way for her to know if Joran and Natalee spoke then.
Also Lee says that it was Natalee that invited Joran to C&C's. So much for Beth's claim that Joran was stalking them.
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| Isanah
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Thu Feb 01, 2007 5:46 pm |
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| Josie wrote: | | Isanah wrote: | | Then what about the quote that Natalee had met Juron earlier that day at the beach? |
That is worded in a way that sounds like Lee is repeating something she heard, rather than from her own knowledge. |
But, but, but..it was Lee's statement. Who would have changed the wording as to be thought as "hearsay". When I read someone's statement, I would expect the person giving it to say that she heard. If Lee doesn't state that, then I would read it as Natalee had told her that.
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| Isanah
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Thu Feb 01, 2007 5:54 pm |
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| prolific wrote: | | Isanah wrote: | | Then all the talk about Natalee asking Joran to dance? In Lee's statements, Natalee doesn't ever talk to Juran LNU! |
Lee says Natalee didn't acknowlege Joran that one time that they passed him on their way to the bathroom, then Lee left to go do belly shots. There's no way for her to know if Joran and Natalee spoke then.
Also Lee says that it was Natalee that invited Joran to C&C's. So much for Beth's claim that Joran was stalking them. |
Well, yes, that part is favorable for Joran not being a stalker. However, I think this statement deserves more scrutiny then what is being given. At this point we should be able to link all of the MB teens' statements to make some freaking "sense"!
I find it strange that Lee would repeatedly say that she didn't see "Juron" and Natalee talk. Then she stated that "Juron" had met Natalee earlier on the beach. Then we are to believe that Natalee asked "Juron" to go to C&Cs. The statement is very disjointed and leaves much to the imagination. It seems what is not said in all these MB statements is far more important than what they do say!
Lastly, add the last time Lee saw Natalee was when she was on stage???? Also, add Lee doesn't say she asked anyone from MB where Natalee was, but instead goes to a nearby bar to look for her??? Too many WTFs for me! 
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| dugo
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Thu Feb 01, 2007 6:00 pm |
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| spngbobthebldr wrote: | | dugo wrote: | | This is in early June 05, right!? Pre Dompigs pleadings for more interviews, right!? Just want to get the timeframe correct here. |
Yes it is but some of the comments in the 302's didn't match what the kids were saying in tv interviews so the ALE wanted to question them again.
I've never understood the big deal made about the ALE wanting to question them. People suspected of crimes who are caught by other police agencies are often questioned by the police who catch them then again by the police investigating the crime.
John Couey comes to mind. He was questioned by the Augusta police then again by police investigating Jessie Lunsfords murder. It is perfectly understandable that the investigating agency would want to ask questions themselves instead of relying on questions asked by police who aren't as familiar with the case. |
Eh eh .. there was no big deal at first that is what the date above above 302 shows.
Something out there managed to filibuster this relative speed later on... proper channels, state department, need to focus on the perpetrators, delegation of aruban people to US etc..
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| gagal_05
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Thu Feb 01, 2007 6:01 pm |
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| Isanah wrote: | | prolific wrote: | | Isanah wrote: | | Then all the talk about Natalee asking Joran to dance? In Lee's statements, Natalee doesn't ever talk to Juran LNU! |
Lee says Natalee didn't acknowlege Joran that one time that they passed him on their way to the bathroom, then Lee left to go do belly shots. There's no way for her to know if Joran and Natalee spoke then.
Also Lee says that it was Natalee that invited Joran to C&C's. So much for Beth's claim that Joran was stalking them. |
Well, yes, that part is favorable for Joran not being a stalker. However, I think this statement deserves more scrutiny then what is being given. At this point we should be able to link all of the MB teens' statements to make some freaking "sense"!
I find it strange that Lee would repeatedly say that she didn't see "Juron" and Natalee talk. Then she stated that "Juron" had met Natalee earlier on the beach. Then we are to believe that Natalee asked "Juron" to go to C&Cs. The statement is very disjointed and leaves much to the imagination. It seems what is not said in all these MB statements is far more important than what they do say!
Lastly, add the last time Lee saw Natalee was when she was on stage???? Also, add Lee doesn't say she asked anyone from MB where Natalee was, but instead goes to a nearby bar to look for her??? Too many WTFs for me! |
That is what the whole case has been to me!
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| spngbobthebldr
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Thu Feb 01, 2007 6:07 pm |
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| dugo wrote: | | spngbobthebldr wrote: | | dugo wrote: | | This is in early June 05, right!? Pre Dompigs pleadings for more interviews, right!? Just want to get the timeframe correct here. |
Yes it is but some of the comments in the 302's didn't match what the kids were saying in tv interviews so the ALE wanted to question them again.
I've never understood the big deal made about the ALE wanting to question them. People suspected of crimes who are caught by other police agencies are often questioned by the police who catch them then again by the police investigating the crime.
John Couey comes to mind. He was questioned by the Augusta police then again by police investigating Jessie Lunsfords murder. It is perfectly understandable that the investigating agency would want to ask questions themselves instead of relying on questions asked by police who aren't as familiar with the case. |
Eh eh .. there was no big deal at first that is what the date above above 302 shows.
Something out there managed to filibuster this relative speed later on... proper channels, state department, need to focus on the perpetrators, delegation of aruban people to US etc.. |
Inconsistant staements have a way of doing that.
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| Josie
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Thu Feb 01, 2007 6:18 pm |
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| Isanah wrote: | | Josie wrote: | | Isanah wrote: | | Then what about the quote that Natalee had met Juron earlier that day at the beach? |
That is worded in a way that sounds like Lee is repeating something she heard, rather than from her own knowledge. |
But, but, but..it was Lee's statement. Who would have changed the wording as to be thought as "hearsay". When I read someone's statement, I would expect the person giving it to say that she heard. If Lee doesn't state that, then I would read it as Natalee had told her that. |
There's got to be at least a dozen follow-up questions that should have been asked, not mention some basic questions about any other locals Natalee interacted with in Aruba.
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| DiamondDot
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Thu Feb 01, 2007 6:29 pm |
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During the morning hours Sunday May 29, 2005, Natalee began drinking Red Fires. Her friends told her to slow down. (paraphrased)
Picture the dynamic of Natalee's friends telling her to slow down. Sure wouldn't be because they were worried for Natalee's health.
Most likely, it was because Natalee was being a loud, obnoxious drunk. Loudly proclaiming her 'friends' secrets, crawling all over ever male (possibly female, too) in site.
Only hours before, Natalee had to be escorted to her room, because of her intoxication.
Therefore, by Sunday morning, the 'friends' were probably sick and tired of having their holiday ruined by this out of control, obnoxious drunk.
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| stlouischili
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Thu Feb 01, 2007 7:41 pm |
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There is a hole in Broughton's timeline. She says nothing about her whereabouts between 1:30-3:00 a.m.
Another WTF?
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| Heli
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Thu Feb 01, 2007 7:45 pm |
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| stlouischili wrote: | There is a hole in Broughton's timeline. She says nothing about her whereabouts between 1:30-3:00 a.m.
Another WTF? |
She went back to the hotel. She doesn't mention anything specific
but we know that many of the MB students stayed out by the pool
and/or went skinny dipping in the wee hours of the night.
Gee, I guess the mighty FBI neglected to ask the follow up
questions  Wow, they're getting as bad  as the ALE has
been accused of
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| stlouischili
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Thu Feb 01, 2007 7:52 pm |
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Yes, I want to know what went on back at the hotel between 1:30-3:00 a.m.
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| kat
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Thu Feb 01, 2007 7:55 pm |
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After the casino video came out, didn't one of the friends say that Natalee introduced herself to Joran when they were leaving the table?
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| pawleys
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Thu Feb 01, 2007 8:05 pm |
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| kat wrote: | | After the casino video came out, didn't one of the friends say that Natalee introduced herself to Joran when they were leaving the table? |
Ruth McVay says they met at the table...
MCVAY: We were in our hotel casino. And that was the first night that she had ever met him. Contrary to other stories that are circulating, she did not know him before that night.
VAN SUSTEREN: All right. And when you say the fist night, was that the night of May 29 into the 30th, when she missed her flight home?
MCVAY: Yes, ma'am.
VAN SUSTEREN: And Ruth, how did you happen to notice him? What was it about him that caught your attention?
MCVAY: He didn't. He was sitting at our blackjack table, and he just seemed like a normal teenager. He wasn't flirting. He wasn't really outgoing at all. And Natalee, just in passing, introduced herself and walked off. And nothing was strange or out of the ordinary about him at all.
VAN SUSTEREN: Did there come a time when Natalee made some sort of date — I don't mean a date, I mean, an arrangement — with him, with you, with everybody, to go to Carlos and Charlie's?
MCVAY: Not with him. Absolutely not. With us. She went with all of our friends. He wasn't with us. He didn't go with us.
VAN SUSTEREN: How is it, Ruth, that both Joran and Natalee both ended up at Carlos and Charlie's?
MCVAY: He came with his friends. He had told us that night that Sunday was not a fun night on the island and that no one goes out. So we found it ironic that he showed up.
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| kat
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Thu Feb 01, 2007 8:10 pm |
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Thanks, pawleys!
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| DiamondDot
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Thu Feb 01, 2007 8:19 pm |
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| Quote: | | VAN SUSTEREN: How is it, Ruth, that both Joran and Natalee both ended up at Carlos and Charlie's? |
Everytime this question is posted, I just shake my head in disbelief. It's as though a resident of Aruba is encroaching on the space of the MBers, by showing up someplace they happen to be. It's as though Greta and every other TH believes MB had exclusive rights to every nook and cranny of Aruba.
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| refugee_lurker
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Thu Feb 01, 2007 8:29 pm |
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Re: FBI 302 of Lee Ashford Broughton
Thanks a lot Heli. So Natalee wasn't the only one from MB doing body shots ans Joran wasn't the only one watching her.
I wonder why Debbie decided to release this 302 at this time. Something must be up.
Greta had Broughton's and Whateley's 302's. I don't know how she could put up with Beth's lies after she read these statements. I guess her ratings were more important than destroying people's lives.
The MB crowd makes me sick.
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| Vladimir Repnin-Volkonsky
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Thu Feb 01, 2007 8:35 pm |
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19 y/o. Is that correct?
The whole thing is pathetic, from the salksalks moving mountaints and brooks to paint a picture that the girl never drank, didn't like boys, to the moronic mother stating on tv 151 rum, "Natalee wouldn't even know what that was", to the arbee's and arbeej's painting a picture of Joran and gang mounting posses and foreign boxes on a nightly basis dating raping drug dropping maurauding pirates of the caribbean, where in this little note dated 3rd June 2005, he comes across as nothing more than some guy in a bar, hardly the pawing pedo leering at these "children"
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| LiveNLearn
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Thu Feb 01, 2007 9:16 pm |
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| Heli wrote: | There's certainly facts in Lee's 302 that I'd never heard before.
Natalee doing bodyshots on the bar long before Joran showed
up at the bar being most notable. |
Oh, but we know that she would have been doing those body shots "responsibly"........
Thanks for bringing this over Heli ~!!
We all appreciate everything that you do for us.
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| statinmyopinion2
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Ok, Lee was so worried about Natalee that she went to another bar to look for her......then when she couldn't find her BFF, she simply goes back to the hotel, and then is up until 3 or 4 in the morning..and never looks to see if her BFF comes back to the hotel. Doesn't alert anyone that she couldn't LOCATE her BFF after Carlo's and Charlies.. and, now this is the kicker, in those 3 hours NEVER lets anyone KNOW that Natalee NEVER came back to the hotel? She isn't concerned? Isn't worried?
Sumfin not right here....unless Natalee DID come back to the hotel..........
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| LiveNLearn
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| statinmyopinion2 wrote: | Ok, Lee was so worried about Natalee that she went to another bar to look for her......then when she couldn't find her BFF, she simply goes back to the hotel, and then is up until 3 or 4 in the morning..and never looks to see if her BFF comes back to the hotel. Doesn't alert anyone that she couldn't LOCATE her BFF after Carlo's and Charlies.. and, now this is the kicker, in those 3 hours NEVER lets anyone KNOW that Natalee NEVER came back to the hotel? She isn't concerned? Isn't worried?
Sumfin not right here....unless Natalee DID come back to the hotel.......... |
I agree with you Statinmyopinion = There just is to much NOT said in this report.
Things that warrent follow up questions are left alone, and, it really appears that there are huge wholes her statements.
Someone else earlier mentioned also that maybe the MB kids were finally fed up with her behavior, and just were tired of babysitting here more or less.
But, even at that, its hard to not believe that someone, during the hours of 1:30 and 4 did not inquire as to her whereabouts, and who she may have been with.
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| WangChung
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Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:27 pm |
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| Isanah wrote: | | gagal_05 wrote: | | Heli wrote: | There's certainly facts in Lee's 302 that I'd never heard before.
Natalee doing bodyshots on the bar long before Joran showed
up at the bar being most notable. |
I caught that too, Heli.
Thanks for bringing this over.  |
Then add that Lee last saw Natalee on the stage with Juron LNU watching her! No wonder Lee had nightmares! She obviously found these "two guys" suspicious. However, when she can not find Natalee at the other bar, she goes back to the hotel and a couple of hours later she goes asleep! WTF??? |
Maybe Lee was fucked up like the rest of the little MB Darlings and needed some sleep.....before she passed out.
I've said all along that Natalee was nothing more than a mascot to the MB Sluts; a girl from the wrong side of the tracks who was to be pitied and included when it was convenient - nothing more. Look at the pictures of Natalee taken in MB and in Aruba. She didn't belong. With a strident bar rag like Beth for a mother, Natalee never stood a chance of being accepted. She was tolerated....... and then discarded like garbage when she got out of hand.
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| pawleys
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Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:28 pm |
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| statinmyopinion2 wrote: | Ok, Lee was so worried about Natalee that she went to another bar to look for her......then when she couldn't find her BFF, she simply goes back to the hotel, and then is up until 3 or 4 in the morning..and never looks to see if her BFF comes back to the hotel. Doesn't alert anyone that she couldn't LOCATE her BFF after Carlo's and Charlies.. and, now this is the kicker, in those 3 hours NEVER lets anyone KNOW that Natalee NEVER came back to the hotel? She isn't concerned? Isn't worried?
Sumfin not right here....unless Natalee DID come back to the hotel.......... |
It would answer the question of why it did not cause her any alarm.
Time for the infamous FEB quote...
| Quote: | SCARBOROUGH: Let me ask you, Frances Ellen, when is the last time you saw her?
BYRD: That night.
SCARBOROUGH: Yes, you saw her the night...
BYRD: I was with her that night.
SCARBOROUGH: You were with her that night.
BYRD: Yes. Yes.
SCARBOROUGH: All the friends went back to the hotel. And did you all see her go back to the hotel or not?
BYRD: I am just leaving it that we saw her there.
SCARBOROUGH: Saw her that night.
BYRD: Right. |
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| WangChung
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| Isanah wrote: |
That seems to sum up all of the MB statements, they are all bullshit through hearsay! Yes, the truth lies in MB. None of them have told the truth, just hearsay and confusion at the expense of Joran. |
Frances Ellen Byrd  and this other slut - Hold the key to the mystery .
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| WangChung
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Thu Feb 01, 2007 10:37 pm |
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| DiamondDot wrote: | During the morning hours Sunday May 29, 2005, Natalee began drinking Red Fires. Her friends told her to slow down. (paraphrased)
Picture the dynamic of Natalee's friends telling her to slow down. Sure wouldn't be because they were worried for Natalee's health.
Most likely, it was because Natalee was being a loud, obnoxious drunk. Loudly proclaiming her 'friends' secrets, crawling all over ever male (possibly female, too) in site.
Only hours before, Natalee had to be escorted to her room, because of her intoxication.
Therefore, by Sunday morning, the 'friends' were probably sick and tired of having their holiday ruined by this out of control, obnoxious drunk. |
Like mother like daughter.
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| Vladimir Repnin-Volkonsky
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I'd still like to know what this "spinster" is doing in high school at that age
As a practical matter, while laws in most states mandate school attendance at least until graduation or age 16, many require attendance until age 17 or 18. (However, enforcement of truancy laws is sporadic.) Conversely, students who have failed a grade may remain in high school past the age of 18. In general, students over 18 attend alternative classes to receive a GED. State laws vary on the cut-off age for students to receive free public education services. Many states have adult high schools for people generally 19 and over.
Was she on the short bus programme at Mountain Brook perhaps?
Or were the truancy laws just that, too sporadic
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