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dithers

Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 10:12 am

annie 13 wrote:

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I would hope that what my age is or what color my skin is, would not influence what you have to say.

They don't influence what I have to say but both would make a big difference in what you have to say.

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annie13

Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 3:40 pm

dithers wrote:

annie 13 wrote:

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I would hope that what my age is or what color my skin is, would not influence what you have to say.

They don't influence what I have to say but both would make a big difference in what you have to say.

So you would somehow give a value or weight to what I said based on my color or age Rolling Eyes

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dithers

Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:31 pm

annie13 wrote:

dithers wrote:

annie 13 wrote:

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I would hope that what my age is or what color my skin is, would not influence what you have to say.

They don't influence what I have to say but both would make a big difference in what you have to say.

So you would somehow give a value or weight to what I said based on my color or age Rolling Eyes

HOW NICE

Why are you so ready to jump to conclusions before you even hear my reasoning? That's the problem with trying to discuss this kind of stuff. People start smoking under the collar for no reason. Settle down already.

annie13 also wrote:

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Maybe you can ask the black co-workers or acquaintances you have always respected and been respected back by, what they think of a whitey using the word nigger. Are there really whitey's that have a white-guilt trip? Ask your black co-workers and acquaintances what they think of all the strides and advances that have been made in racial relationships.

Here's the reason your color and age matter.

If you're white your statement above most likely is based on how you've been led to think all black people must feel based on what you've been fed by the MSM and black activists like the two Rev's who make a living from keeping the pot stirred up. If you're white that thinking doesn't come from first-hand knowledge or experience.

If you're young, at least compared to me, you're historical perspective and frame of reference is much different. My statement regarding the progress in racial relations was made in comparison to my lifetime. For you to dismiss any strides or advances over the past 50 years tells me you are either too young to remember or too ready to be angry rather than discuss facts.

If you are younger than me you most likely grew up going through a public school system that had a much different slant and focus on issues than when I was young.

No matter what your age or color, to sniff at the idea that any progress has been achieved over the past 50 years does a disservice to every one of us - white and black - and to all who fought hard - many times with their lives - to achieve those gains.

Let me see:

1953 - Brown vs. the Board of Education
1955 - Rosa Parks
1962 - University of Mississippi forced to enroll James Meredith
1964 - Civil Rights Act
1965 - Voting Rights Act

Also in the 60's the beginning of Affirmative Action. In 1963 the establishment of the Black Panthers. The Watts Riots. The Detoit Riots. George Wallace. In 1968 the assassinations of MLK and Bobby Kennedy.

I remember being in Biloxi, Mississippi in the early 60's and seeing signs at drinking fountains that said for whites only. Believe me, being from Minnesota where this didn't happen was quite a shock. But you sure don't see that anymore.

None of these things solved the problem but each in their own way made a difference. Not always in a positive way but it got people thinking. Each step is a testament to the fact that people cared and people made changes. Maybe not to where some feel they should be today but a foundation was laid and steps built and good and positive changes were made. And not just for blacks.

Civil rights for women as well. I remember when being a divorced woman was synonymous with being a whore. I remember when I couldn't get car insurance because I was divorced. And the pharmacist asked me if I was married whenever I bought my birth control pills. And women weren't allowed to wear pants to work. Even in the frigid midwest. Notices going out at work that we weren't allowed to wear bikini underwear. And those were the minor day to day annoyances. Doesn't even hit on the job opportunity stuff, etc.

Anyway Annie, those are just a very few reasons why your age and color might influence your comments. Not the value or weight of them but just where you're coming from and the historical context from whence you are speaking. I certainly don't think this type of discussion needs to be an angry one and it always dismays me that it always winds up that way. But you see, that is how the race baiters want it to be for they make their living by keeping people angry.

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dithers

Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 6:54 am

The Imus lynch party

by Patrick J. Buchanan
Posted: April 13, 2007

In the end, it was not about Imus. It was about us.

Are we really a better country because, after he was publicly whipped for 10 days as the worst kind of racist, with whom no decent person could associate, he was thrown off the air?

Cards on the table.

This writer works for MSNBC, has been on the Imus show scores of times, watches Imus every morning, and likes the show, the music and the guys: the I-Man, Bernie, Charles and Tom Bowman.

And Imus is among the best interviewers in our business. Not only does he read and follow the news closely, he listens and probes as well as any interviewer in America. Because he is a comic, people mistake how good a questioner he is.

Is "Imus in the Morning" outrageous? Over the top at times? Are things said every week, if not every day, where you say, "He's going too far"? Yeah. But outrageousness is part of the show, whether the skits are of "Teddy Kennedy," "Reverend Falwell," "Mayor Nagin" or "The Cardinal."

And when Imus called the Rutgers women's basketball team "tattooed ... nappy-headed hos," he went over the top. The women deserved an apology. There was no cause, no call to use those terms. As Ann Coulter said, they were not fair game.

But Imus did apologize, again and again and again.

And lest we forget, these are athletes in their prime, the same age as young women in Iraq. They are not 5-year-old girls, and they are capable of brushing off an ignorant comment by a talk-show host who does not know them, or anything about them.

Who, after all, believed the slur was true? No one.

Compare, if you will, what was done to them – a single nasty insult – to the savage slanders for weeks on end of the Duke lacrosse team and the three players accused by a lying stripper of having gang-raped her at a frat party.

Duke faculty and talking heads took that occasion to vent their venom toward all white "jocks" on college campuses. Where are the demands for apologies from the talk-show hosts, guests, Duke faculty members and smear artists, all of whom bought into the lies about those Duke kids – because the lies comported with their hateful view of America?

And hate is what this is all about.

While the remarks of Imus and Bernie about the Rutgers women were indefensible, they were more unthinking and stupid than vicious and malicious. But malice is the right word to describe the howls for their show to be canceled and them to be driven from the airwaves – by phonies who endlessly prattle about the First Amendment.

The hypocrisy here was too thick to cut with a chainsaw.

What was the term the I-Man used? It was "hos," slang for whores, a term employed ad infinitum et ad nauseam by rap and hip-hop "artists." It is a term out of the African-American community. Yet, if any of a hundred rap singers has lost his contract or been driven from the airwaves for using it, maybe someone can tell me about it.

If the word "hos" is a filthy insult to decent black women, and it is, why are hip-hop artists and rap singers who use it incessantly not pariahs in the black community? Why would black politicians hobnob with them? Why are there no boycotts of the advertisers of the radio stations that play their degrading music?

Answer: The issue here is not the word Imus used. The issue is who Imus is – a white man, who used a term about black women only black folks are permitted to use with impunity and immunity.

Whatever Imus' sins, no one deserves to have Al Sharpton – hero of the Tawana Brawley hoax, resolute defender of the fake rape charge against half a dozen innocent guys, which ruined lives – sit in moral judgment upon them.

"It is our feeling that this is only the beginning. We must have a broad discussion on what is permitted and not permitted in terms of the airwaves," says Sharpton. It says something about America that someone with Al's track record can claim the role of national censor.

Who is next? And why do we take it?

I did a bad thing, but I am not a bad person, says Imus. Indeed, whoever used his microphone to do more good for more people – be they the cancer kids of Imus Ranch, the families of Iraq war dead now more justly compensated because of the I-Man or the cause of a cure for autism?

"We know of no spectacle so ridiculous as the British public in one of its periodic fits of morality," said Lord Macaulay. Unfortunately, Macaulay never saw the likes of the Revs. Sharpton and Jackson.

Imus threw himself on the mercy of the court of elite opinion – and that court, pandering to the mob, lynched him. Yet, for all his sins, he was a better man than the lot of them rejoicing at the foot of the cottonwood tree.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/staticarticles/article55179.html

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dithers

Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 7:10 am

BY JAMES TARANTO
Friday, April 13, 2007 1:04 p.m. EDT

Imus and Obama's Daughters
This column has no brief for Don Imus, the liberal radio shock-jock who lost his gig yesterday after calling members of the Rutgers University women's basketball team "nappy-headed hos." CBS (and NBC, which simulcast the Imus show on one of its little-watched cable channels) were perfectly within their rights to defenestrate Imus for his gross remark. But by waiting a week to do so, they showed themselves to be craven rather than prudent, and they did more to promote bigotry than to combat it.

It's clear that the networks fired Imus not because what he said was unacceptable but because the controversy it stirred up was not going to go away. This means that Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson--two men whose bigotry has done a thousandfold more harm than Imus's--are able to declare victory and pose as moral arbiters.

Oh well, at least we can have the audacity to hope Barack Obama will be a new kind of "black leader." Or can we? From yesterday's New York Times:

Senator Barack Obama, the Illinois Democrat who is running for president, called on MSNBC and CBS Radio to disassociate themselves from Mr. Imus, and said that he would never go on the show again. He said he had appeared once, more than two years ago.

"He didn't just cross the line," Mr. Obama said in an interview with ABC News. "He fed into some of the worst stereotypes that my two young daughters are having to deal with today in America."

So according to Obama, the problem with what Imus said wasn't that it was shocking but that it was so ordinary. Imus gave voice to stereotypes so prevalent that Obama's daughters "are having to deal with [them] today in America."

In what segment of American culture would one be most likely to encounter such stereotypes? We'd venture to say the answer is rap music, also known as hip hop. There's one rap band that actually calls itself Nappy Roots. And of course references to women as "hos" are commonplace in rap lyrics, such as this one by Christopher Bridges, who uses the stage name "Ludacris":

Ho (Ho)
You'z a Ho, (Ho)
You'z a Ho, I said that you'z a Ho (Ho)
You'z a Ho, (Ho)

You'z a Ho, (Ho)
You'z a Ho, I said that you'z a Ho (Ho)

You doing Ho activities
With Ho tendencies
Hos are your friends,
Hos are your enemies

At this point it gets too vulgar for this columnist to feel comfortable quoting.

Anyway, let's salute Barack Obama for taking a stand for decency, for protecting his two young daughters from invidiously racist and misogynistic stereotypes.

On second thought, let's not. It turns out that Obama's outrage with Imus is highly selective (dare we say opportunistic?). Blogger Joshua Claybourn notes a Sept. 15, 2006, Associated Press dispatch from Louisville, Ky.:

Obama made a pitch for Democrats running for local government and for Congress at a rally that drew a few thousand party faithful to a minor league baseball stadium in downtown Louisville. . . .

Before Obama's speech, the crowd was warmed up by a performance by Nappy Roots, a popular hip-hop group.

All right, maybe this is nothing. It's not as if Obama himself invited Nappy Roots to play at the rally, and anyway "hos" is a lot more obnoxious than "nappy." But here's another Associated Press dispatch, from Nov. 30, 2006:

The stars were aligned in Chicago Wednesday, and they were there to talk about lighting the way for the nation's youth.

U.S. Sen. Barack Obama, contemplating a run for president, met privately with rapper Ludacris to talk about young people.

"We talked about empowering the youth," said the artist, whose real name is Chris Bridges. . . .

The gathering at Obama's downtown Chicago office was a meeting of two star powers: Obama, who enjoys rock star-like status on the political scene, and Ludacris, who has garnered acclaim for his music and acting. . . .

Bridges said meeting Obama, known for his warm personal style, was like meeting with a relative.

If Obama's two young daughters are having to deal with Imus-like invidious stereotypes, then, it would seem a major reason is their father's friends.

The problem the Obama girls face in America today isn't just prejudice. It's cynicism.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110009939

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dithers

Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 11:32 am

Michelle Malkin: What (some of) your kids listen to

April 14, 2007
Let's stipulate: I have no love for Don Imus, Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson. A pox on all their race-baiting houses.

Let's also stipulate: The Rutgers women's basketball team didn't deserve to be disrespected as "nappy-headed hos." No woman deserves that. I agree with the athletes that Imus's misogynist mockery was "deplorable, despicable and unconscionable."

But let's take a breath now and look around. Is the Sharpton & Jackson Circus truly committed to cleaning up cultural pollution that demeans women and perpetuates racial epithets? Have you seen the Billboard Hot Rap Tracks chart this week?

The No. 1 rap track is by a new sensation who goes by the name of "Mims." The "song" is "This Is Why I'm Hot." It has topped the charts for the last 15 weeks. Here's a taste of the lyrics that young men and women are cranking up in their cars:

This is why I'm hot

Catch me on the block

Every other day

Another (female dog)another drop

16 bars, 24 pop

44 songs, (N-word plural)gimme what you got ...

We into big spinners

See my pimping never dragged

(Rest of this song too distasteful to run)

Let's move down the Billboard list, shall we? The No. 2 rap track in the nation this week is by rappers Bow Wow and R. Kelly (yes, the same R. Kelly who was indicted five years ago on a raft of child-porn charges and is still awaiting trial). The "song" is called "I'm a Flirt," and it's been on the charts for 12 weeks:

Ima b pimpin

I don't be slippin

When it come down to these hos

I don't love em

We don't cuff em

Man that's just the way it goes

I pull up in the Phantom

All the ladies think handsome

Jewelry shining, I stay stuntin'

That's why these (N-word plural) can't stand em

Ima chick mag-a-net

(Rest of this song too distasteful to run)

Al Sharpton, I am sure, is ready to call a press conference with the National Organization for Women to jointly protest this garbage and the radio stations and big pimpin' music companies behind it.

Or perhaps the New Civility Squad is not convinced yet that the Billboard chart toppers I've highlighted are representative? Let's proceed to No. 3 on the Billboard rap charts this week (and on the charts for the past 13 weeks): "Go Getta" by a rapper named "Young Jeezy" with a special appearance by R. Kelly (again!). Here's the "chorus":

You know we trap all day

Play all night

Dis Is Da Life Of A Go Getta (Ey) Go Getta (Ey) Go Getta (Yea)

U In Da Club

U C A Bad (female dog)

Point Her Out (Oh)

Yea U Damn Right Ima (Ey)

You Damn Right Ima Go Getta (Ey) Go Getta (Ey) Go Getta (Yea)

One dumb radio/television shock jock's insult is a drop in the ocean of barbaric filth and anti- female hatred on the radio.

Imus gets fired from his radio show. What kind of relief do we get from this deadening, coarsening, dehumanizing barrage from young, black rappers and their music industry enablers who have helped turn America into Tourette's Nation?

http://www.tcpalm.com/tcp/opinion_columnists/article/0,,TCP_24463_5482947,00.html

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Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 11:35 am

Factor highlights--and the real Al Sharpton
By Michelle Malkin · April 14, 2007 11:52 AM

I think I was about to hurl when Geraldo called Al Sharpton a "great man" and one of the nation's top "civil rights" leaders. You can hear me mutter "whose civil rights?" Certainly not the rights of innocent prosecutor Steve Pagones, who was truly scarred for life by the lying, conniving Sharpton machine. Jeff Jacoby summarizes Sharpton's "great" record:

1987: Sharpton spreads the incendiary Tawana Brawley hoax, insisting heatedly that a 15-year-old black girl was abducted, raped, and smeared with feces by a group of white men. He singles out Steve Pagones, a young prosecutor. Pagones is wholly innocent -- the crime never occurred -- but Sharpton taunts him: "If we're lying, sue us, so we can . . . prove you did it." Pagones does sue, and eventually wins a $345,000 verdict for defamation. To this day, Sharpton refuses to recant his unspeakable slander or to apologize for his role in the odious affair.

1991: A Hasidic Jewish driver in Brooklyn's Crown Heights section accidentally kills Gavin Cato, a 7-year-old black child, and antisemitic riots erupt. Sharpton races to pour gasoline on the fire. At Gavin's funeral he rails against the "diamond merchants" -- code for Jews -- with "the blood of innocent babies" on their hands. He mobilizes hundreds of demonstrators to march through the Jewish neighborhood, chanting, "No justice, no peace." A rabbinical student, Yankel Rosenbaum, is surrounded by a mob shouting "Kill the Jews!" and stabbed to death.

1995: When the United House of Prayer, a large black landlord in Harlem, raises the rent on Freddy's Fashion Mart, Freddy's white Jewish owner is forced to raise the rent on his subtenant, a black-owned music store. A landlord-tenant dispute ensues; Sharpton uses it to incite racial hatred. "We will not stand by," he warns malignantly, "and allow them to move this brother so that some white interloper can expand his business." Sharpton's National Action Network sets up picket lines; customers going into Freddy's are spat on and cursed as "traitors" and "Uncle Toms." Some protesters shout, "Burn down the Jew store!" and simulate striking a match. "We're going to see that this cracker suffers," says Sharpton's colleague Morris Powell. On Dec. 8, one of the protesters bursts into Freddy's, shoots four employees point-blank, then sets the store on fire. Seven employees die in the inferno.

If Sharpton were a white skinhead, he would be a political leper, spurned everywhere but the fringe. But far from being spurned, he is shown much deference. Democrats embrace him. Politicians court him. And journalists report on his comings and goings while politely sidestepping his career as a hatemongering racial hustler.

Israpundit has more.

There is, contrary to Geraldo's assertion, a world of difference between Imus's career of dumb remarks and Sharpton's career of malicious racial demagoguery.

There is no ideological difference between the hate-mongering likes of Malik Shabazz and Al Sharpton.

Sharpton, with the help of willing media, is exploiting the Imus matter to further rehabilitate his image without having to renounce any of his past poisonous behavior. Now, he's playing martyr with the latest reports of death threats against him.

If the media--broadcast, cable, print, and radio--really wanted to do something to "heal" race relations, they'd keep this charlatan (and all his mini-mes like Shabazz) off the airwaves and off their news pages. The only place they deserve to be is under the headline "Most Ridiculous Item of the Day."

http://michellemalkin.com/

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pax

Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 2:46 pm

Ooh, let's all whine and cry for poor little Donny.

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dithers

Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 3:22 pm

pax wrote:

Ooh, let's all whine and cry for poor little Donny.

I'm not for one minute whining and crying over the I-man.

I simply believe this is a great time to call the hand of the Rev. Al, etal and truly get all of this gutter talk off of the airwaves and off the 'what's acceptable' list. Young black women have taken it on the chin for too long from these dispicable creeps. I say let's band together as women and not as colors and get this stuff banished for once and for all!

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annie13

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 5:20 am

dithers wrote:

annie13 wrote:

dithers wrote:

annie 13 wrote:

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I would hope that what my age is or what color my skin is, would not influence what you have to say.

They don't influence what I have to say but both would make a big difference in what you have to say.

So you would somehow give a value or weight to what I said based on my color or age Rolling Eyes

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Here's the reason your color and age matter.

If you're white your statement above most likely is based on how you've been led to think all black people must feel based on what you've been fed by the MSM and black activists like the two Rev's who make a living from keeping the pot stirred up. If you're white that thinking doesn't come from first-hand knowledge or experience.
If you're young, at least compared to me, you're historical perspective and frame of reference is much different. My statement regarding the progress in racial relations was made in comparison to my lifetime. For you to dismiss any strides or advances over the past 50 years tells me you are either too young to remember or too ready to be angry rather than discuss facts.

If you are younger than me you most likely grew up going through a public school system that had a much different slant and focus on issues than when I was young.

No matter what your age or color, to sniff at the idea that any progress has been achieved over the past 50 years does a disservice to every one of us - white and black - and to all who fought hard - many times with their lives - to achieve those gains.

Let me see:

1953 - Brown vs. the Board of Education
1955 - Rosa Parks
1962 - University of Mississippi forced to enroll James Meredith
1964 - Civil Rights Act
1965 - Voting Rights Act

Also in the 60's the beginning of Affirmative Action. In 1963 the establishment of the Black Panthers. The Watts Riots. The Detoit Riots. George Wallace. In 1968 the assassinations of MLK and Bobby Kennedy.

I remember being in Biloxi, Mississippi in the early 60's and seeing signs at drinking fountains that said for whites only. Believe me, being from Minnesota where this didn't happen was quite a shock. But you sure don't see that anymore.

None of these things solved the problem but each in their own way made a difference. Not always in a positive way but it got people thinking. Each step is a testament to the fact that people cared and people made changes. Maybe not to where some feel they should be today but a foundation was laid and steps built and good and positive changes were made. And not just for blacks.

Civil rights for women as well. I remember when being a divorced woman was synonymous with being a whore. I remember when I couldn't get car insurance because I was divorced. And the pharmacist asked me if I was married whenever I bought my birth control pills. And women weren't allowed to wear pants to work. Even in the frigid midwest. Notices going out at work that we weren't allowed to wear bikini underwear. And those were the minor day to day annoyances. Doesn't even hit on the job opportunity stuff, etc.

Anyway Annie, those are just a very few reasons why your age and color might influence your comments. Not the value or weight of them but just where you're coming from and the historical context from whence you are speaking. I certainly don't think this type of discussion needs to be an angry one and it always dismays me that it always winds up that way. But you see, that is how the race baiters want it to be for they make their living by keeping people angry.

I don't know why you thought I would need a history lesson and it sure wasn't the black man that made me think anything. The word nigger is still used today by the white man. And it isn't a joke. NOT just the word the whole attitude. The black man sure isn't very gracious that the white man let him have rights, it ain't equal yet!

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dithers

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 6:42 am

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You've shown that you are one of those people that can't discuss this in a civilized manner. All you can spout is anger and hurl accusations. Anger never solved anything.

That's it for me on this thread.

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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 7:52 am

dithers wrote:

annie13 wrote:

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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 1:18 pm

Girls Gone Wilds...are they HO's

I did ask a young black man what he thougth about Imus calling the basketball team Ho's and why it was different than in rap music ...etc..

The answer came fast...."Those rappers are talking about girls acting like HO's, they ain't talking about their Mama's or sisters.

After reading this article there is alot more wrong than just black rap artist singing or rappin about what they see.

http://www.latimes.com/features/magazine/west/la-tm-gonewild32aug06,0,2664370.story

This is a very long article but written with alot of info from a female reporter, Clair Hoffman in August 2006

Joe Francis is in JAIL today, see seperate link: Judge Gone Wild

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17965830/

Excerpts from the article:

The call center, just past Los Angeles International Airport, is staffed by rotating shifts of 250 employees who earn $9 an hour, plus commission, to hawk "Girls Gone Wild" videos, which sell for as little as $9.99 each. A whiteboard on the wall sets the agenda: "Push That Porn!!!"

The workers are mostly young and African American, and the videos they're pushing are almost exclusively of twentysomething white girls. "You like watching triple-X, right? You seen our doggy-style videos? Well, I'm going to send you out eight of the hottest videos of the year," goes the pitch.

AND

Francis has aimed his cameras at a generation whose notions of privacy and sexuality are different from any other. Nursed on MySpace profiles and reality television, many young people today are comfortable with being perpetually photographed and having those images posted on the Internet for anyone to see. The boundaries that once contained sexuality have also fallen away. Whether it's 13-year-olds watching a Britney Spears video, 16-year-olds getting their pubic hair waxed to emulate porn stars or 17-year-olds viewing videos of celebrities performing the most intimate acts, youth culture is soaked in sexuality

AND

In Panama City Beach, his lawyers successfully fought another battle. Authorities had filed a 77-count complaint in state circuit court that accused Francis and his crew of gathering a group of minors—a 16-year-old and four 17-year-olds—and taking them to the Chateau Motel. There Francis paid two of the girls $100 each to make out in the shower while his crew videotaped them and told two of the girls he would pay them $50 each to touch his penis, according to the complaint. Francis pleaded not guilty to all charges.

After sheriff's deputies arrested him, he spent a night in jail. The deputies impounded his Gulfstream jet, his silver Ferrari and a stockpile of footage that authorities say shows him encouraging underage girls to engage in sexual activity. (Francis tried to use the scandal to a profitable end, coming out with "Girls Gone Wild: The Seized Video," featuring scenes filmed in Panama City Beach.) His lawyers asked a judge to suppress all the evidence, claiming it was illegally confiscated, and she agreed.

AND

But the women are changing, Francis tells me, and that makes him sad. In the beginning, when "Girls Gone Wild" cameramen first popped up in clubs, the women who revealed themselves seemed innocent—surprised, even, by their own spontaneity. Now that the brand is so pervasive, the women who participate increasingly appear to be calculating exhibitionists, hoping that an appearance on a video might catapult them to Paris Hilton-like fame.

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dithers

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 4:03 pm

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I said I was done but I can't resist.

Whoa - so they aren't talking about their own momma's or sister's!?! Well, Annie girl - they be someone's momma and sister.

I don't get the point of your post. Are you attempting to excuse this stuff because the teen culture is steeped in sex and the girls are looking for it!?!!

How you gonna tell some 15 year old whitey boy whose best friend be a brother from the hood - that even though they groove to those rap tunes togetha - that it be okay for the brother to use those words but not his whitey friend.

And what happens when all these peeps get old like Imus? You were pretty repulsed by an old man using those words. Do they have to stop then?

You answered my previous question. You are white and you are relatively young.

GMAFB.

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Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2007 5:44 pm

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Did you notice I asked a question????? You just want to be right, your ignorance is very telling!

AND

You don't do a good job of trying to be hip Rolling Eyes

HO... from urban dictionary

ho 3 sounds slut whore bitch skank prostitute hoe tramp hooker I love vaginas! pimp trick sex slag ass pussy girl fuck easy skeezer woman cum dumpster hoochie harlot ugly chickenhead vagina shit biatch hoes slutty dick dirty hobag nasty playa chick fat female stupid tart paris hilton penis slapper std asshole cum loose nigga nigger chicken head
1. ho 2530 up, 475 down

Prostitute, Whore, Hooker, Tramp, Slut

A whore is a whore, could be somebody's mother or sister, I'd still call them a whore or HO if that's what they were.

Girls gone wild sell themselves for a thong and a teeshirt Shocked

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Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 3:11 pm

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annie13

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 8:15 pm

Reference for my statment of your ignorance, it's not just historical.

dithers wrote:
...the historical context from whence you are speaking

dithers wrote:
Why are you so ready to jump to conclusions before you even hear my reasoning? That's the problem with trying to discuss this kind of stuff. People start smoking under the collar for no reason. Settle down already.

dithers wrote:
You've shown that you are one of those people that can't discuss this in a civilized manner. All you can spout is anger and hurl accusations. Anger never solved anything.

Did you have time to calm down.... Rolling Eyes

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pax

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 8:26 pm

Annie, I think it's great this stuff is being discussed more openly. Some good will come from this. I'm especially happy that more people are talking about the quality of college women's basketball.

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annie13

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 8:53 pm

pax wrote:

Annie, I think it's great this stuff is being discussed more openly. Some good will come from this. I'm especially happy that more people are talking about the quality of college women's basketball.

Did I ever tell you I love you ....er I mean your candor and humor Laughing

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pax

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2007 9:02 pm

annie13 wrote:

pax wrote:

Annie, I think it's great this stuff is being discussed more openly. Some good will come from this. I'm especially happy that more people are talking about the quality of college women's basketball.

Did I ever tell you I love you ....er I mean your candor and humor Laughing

Ha, thanks!

Hey, have you ever heard that Lenny Bruce skit about how some day people will say these words openly and maybe they won't hurt so much? We're not there yet, but I feel this has been healthy for everyone. Well, most everyone, lol.

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yankee-in-france

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:27 am

pax wrote:

Annie, I think it's great this stuff is being discussed more openly. Some good will come from this. I'm especially happy that more people are talking about the quality of college women's basketball.

I agree with you guys that this "stuff" should be discussed.

I was a rather "dynamic" conversation on this with a friend in the States the other day and these are my thoughts.

Having lived in Europe for nearly five years in what I consider a very open society where people do say what they feel without mincing words, I believe that Europeans are far kinder in words and acceptance to everyone including their minorities than we are in America to each other. We claim to be melting pot, but are we now or is there a dangerous polarization between people not of the same race, religion, or culture.

My feeling is that we have become a country of hate whether based on race, religion, economic class whatever. There is a rage, and it is expressed in speech towards each other. What is the motive in using racial slurs or hateful language? What does it do for the person spouting off?

Yes, Don Imus wants to engage in contemptuous behavior. It is good for his ratings, but why should any women whom he doesn't even know be referred to as whores. What do people find objectionable, the rap language or the insult? What if he had said, they're a bunch of whores. Would it not be insulting if he spoke in proper English?

Will follow up on this later. I am bothered by all of the hate in the world.

YIF

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annie13

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 10:30 am

yankee-in-france wrote:

pax wrote:

Annie, I think it's great this stuff is being discussed more openly. Some good will come from this. I'm especially happy that more people are talking about the quality of college women's basketball.

Really there is a lot of "stuff" that should be talked about, but never happens....Here's one of my thoughts, regardless what anyone else says or does, rapper, minister, president, senator, poster....each person is responsible for their own words.

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yankee-in-france

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 11:51 am

annie13 wrote:

yankee-in-france wrote:

pax wrote:

Annie, I think it's great this stuff is being discussed more openly. Some good will come from this. I'm especially happy that more people are talking about the quality of college women's basketball.

I agree, Annie, but I am questioning why we need to be cruel to each other and use the racial and ethnic slurs in the first place. Why did these words come out of his mouth? What is funny about what he said?

There was an incident with Joe Biden when he announced his candidacy, and he referred to Barak Obama as being clean-cut, something like that, and he got blistered for it. I do not believe that Joe Biden is a racist or that his comment was a racial slur but he took flak for it but his words were not IMO generated from hate.

YIF

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pax

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 12:53 pm

YIF, I know what you mean. I don't worry about Biden getting blistered for it or Imus getting sacked. They are still alive and standing and should listen carefully to what others say. I believe most reject language of hate, but it will always remain and is best exposed for the bullshit it is. As Lenny Bruce suggested, getting this all out in the open is one small beginning.

We're continuing to mature as a country, discussing these things openly is a step toward that. When Tiger Woods first won the Masters Tournament, he was pissed off that Fuzzy Zoeller made a joke about serving fried chicken and watermelon at the Awards Dinner. That's understandable. We'll be even more open when someone wins and actually orders fried chicken and watermelon at the dinner. Humor is the best way to move beyond pain and hurt and shame. It would be great if the Rutgers team next year have shirts that say 'nappy headed hoes' while beating everyone's butts up and down the basketball court.

Comedians move this forward by making humor out of pain. As Steve Allen once said 'comedy equals tragedy plus time.' Chris Rock, Bill Maher, Jon Stewart, Margaret Cho, Bill Cosby, Sara Silverman, people who laugh and discuss these things openly, push culture toward laughter and acceptance that labeling based on color or gender or sexual orientation is absurd. As the Beastie Boys sang 'racism is a schism on a serious tip.'

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annie13

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 1:51 pm

yankee-in-france wrote:

annie13 wrote:

yankee-in-france wrote:

pax wrote:

Annie, I think it's great this stuff is being discussed more openly. Some good will come from this. I'm especially happy that more people are talking about the quality of college women's basketball.

I agree with you guys that this "stuff" should be discussed.

I was a rather "dynamic" conversation on this with a friend in the States the other day and these are my t