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annie13
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Racism...Imus in the morning...Nappy headed ho's
Well was he trying to be funny or what....?
Don Imus suspended for two weeks
After appearing on Al Sharpton's radio show to apologize again, CBS and MSNBC announce discipline for comment.
BY VERNE GAY
Newsday Staff Writer
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April 9, 2007, 8:24 PM EDT
The I-Man has been shelved.
Both CBS and NBC Monday slapped a two-week suspension on Don Imus' popular program amid a gathering chorus of calls for his resignation or firing in the wake of the now-notorious comment about the Rutgers University women's basketball team.
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http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/ny-etimus0410,0,2299536.story?coll=ny-moviereview-
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Re: Racism...Imus in the morning...Nappy headed ho's
| annie13 wrote: | Well was he trying to be funny or what....?
Don Imus suspended for two weeks
After appearing on Al Sharpton's radio show to apologize again, CBS and MSNBC announce discipline for comment.
BY VERNE GAY
Newsday Staff Writer
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April 9, 2007, 8:24 PM EDT
The I-Man has been shelved.
Both CBS and NBC Monday slapped a two-week suspension on Don Imus' popular program amid a gathering chorus of calls for his resignation or firing in the wake of the now-notorious comment about the Rutgers University women's basketball team.
for the rest of the story...
http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/ny-etimus0410,0,2299536.story?coll=ny-moviereview- |
Haven't hosts of his ilk all thougth they're cool if they referred to people the way they talk about them in private? I think we should be able to refer to him.....OH NEVER MIND..We DON"T ALL HAVE TO BE DISGUSTING,SLIMEY&UNCOUTH!
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| Kay_The_Kitten
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Well two things about Imus is
1) he is an equal opportunity insulter. It doesn't matter if you are white, black, yellow or brown (Did I miss any?) or Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Muslim or Atheist he will slam them all.
2) he does what he does out in the open not behind the scenes, and takes the heat for it.
Do I agree with his style of badmouthing everyone No I do not
Now is it racism? If I look at the Oxford dictionary definition:
racism
• noun 1 the belief that there are characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to each race. 2 discrimination against or antagonism towards other races.
http://www.askoxford.com/results/?view=dev_dict&field-12668446=racism&branch=13842570&textsearchtype=exact&sortorder=score%2Cname
then yes it is
However I am not sure if i agree fully with that defination. I think there is a modifier or 2 missing
If we modify the definition to be:
1 the belief that there are characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to each race.
2 discrimination against or antagonism only towards other races.
then the answer would be no, because he regularly picks on is own racial / ethnic group too
Just my 2 cents
Kay
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A interesting Bio of Imus at
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18029888/
Imus blazed the trail for shock jocks to follow
Over-the-top comments were always part of radio host's shtick
By Mike Celizic
TODAYshow.com contributor
TODAY
Updated: 11:53 p.m. ET April 9, 2007
Don Imus is quoted as having said, "My goal is to goad people into saying something that ruins their life." It is not recorded whether he meant one of the people to be himself and the life his own.
But he’s certainly been true to his word. During a radio career that began in 1971 in his home state of California, Imus blazed the trail for shock jocks to follow, first with a string of irreverent characters who peopled his early shows and later with a barrage of misanthropic insults directed at just about everyone and everything on the planet.
Through the years, while he’d often teetered on the edge separating mere bad taste from reprehensible conduct, he had always managed to avoid falling into the abyss. He has called African-American Bill Rhoden, The New York Times sports columnist, a "quota hire," while characterizing another African-American, Gwen Ifill of PBS’ "Washington Week," as a "cleaning lady."
Congressman Joe Barton of Texas, who once offended Imus, was called "a lying fat little skunk from Texas," Lesley Stahl a "gutless, lying weasel," Rush Limbaugh a "fat, pill-popping loser," and Arabs "ragheads."
But Imus has been insulated by his enormous popularity, his multiple Marconi Awards, his membership in the Broadcasters Hall of Fame and the understanding of his audience that no one is safe from the Imus needle — with the exception of whichever celebrity he’s actually interviewing live.
None of his over-the-top comments ever stuck until April 4, when he characterized the Rutgers women’s basketball team as "nappy-headed ho’s."
Slapped with a two-week suspension by MSNBC, which simulcasts his morning radio show that originates at New York’s WFAN-AM, Don Imus is not only fighting for his life, but also doing something that’s never been part of his shtick: begging forgiveness, and from Al Sharpton, no less.
More at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18029888/
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| annie13
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| Kay_The_Kitten wrote: | A interesting Bio of Imus at
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18029888/
Imus blazed the trail for shock jocks to follow
Over-the-top comments were always part of radio host's shtick
By Mike Celizic
TODAYshow.com contributor
TODAY
Updated: 11:53 p.m. ET April 9, 2007
Don Imus is quoted as having said, "My goal is to goad people into saying something that ruins their life." It is not recorded whether he meant one of the people to be himself and the life his own.
But he’s certainly been true to his word. During a radio career that began in 1971 in his home state of California, Imus blazed the trail for shock jocks to follow, first with a string of irreverent characters who peopled his early shows and later with a barrage of misanthropic insults directed at just about everyone and everything on the planet.
Through the years, while he’d often teetered on the edge separating mere bad taste from reprehensible conduct, he had always managed to avoid falling into the abyss. He has called African-American Bill Rhoden, The New York Times sports columnist, a "quota hire," while characterizing another African-American, Gwen Ifill of PBS’ "Washington Week," as a "cleaning lady."
Congressman Joe Barton of Texas, who once offended Imus, was called "a lying fat little skunk from Texas," Lesley Stahl a "gutless, lying weasel," Rush Limbaugh a "fat, pill-popping loser," and Arabs "ragheads."
But Imus has been insulated by his enormous popularity, his multiple Marconi Awards, his membership in the Broadcasters Hall of Fame and the understanding of his audience that no one is safe from the Imus needle — with the exception of whichever celebrity he’s actually interviewing live.
None of his over-the-top comments ever stuck until April 4, when he characterized the Rutgers women’s basketball team as "nappy-headed ho’s."
Slapped with a two-week suspension by MSNBC, which simulcasts his morning radio show that originates at New York’s WFAN-AM, Don Imus is not only fighting for his life, but also doing something that’s never been part of his shtick: begging forgiveness, and from Al Sharpton, no less.More at http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18029888/ |
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| annie13
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Imus keeps saying it's a comedy program, talking to Matt on Today on NBC. He is not a racist.....somethings just aren't funny.
I think it goes like the saying ....white men can't jump, well white men can't tell black jokes, and it be funny.
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Either we're going to have free speech or we aren't. Some people want it both ways. What Imus said might have been offensive to some but it certainly wasn't slanderous or libelous. I even wonder if some of the offended (ie. Rev's. Al and Jesse) are offended as much as they are opportunists.
Ho's is certainly not a term any of us is unfamiliar with and that's because it's used quite often in rap music, comedy routines, etc. In Stevie Wonder's song 'Sir Duke' he referred to himself as a nappy headed boy.
To say it is okay for blacks to use these terms but no one else can is disengenious at best. Just as blacks use the term n*****. Since those words are so hurtful then one would think they'd be the last to use them.
Even for Rev. Al to act offended when Imus said something about you people. Ross Perot got in trouble for the same thing. So they are making a complaint as a group, feeling angry and mad as a group but can't be referred to as a group.
I think the term racist has been taken so out of context of what the true meaning is. Racist terms are used against whites quite often but it is supposedly the rule that minorities can't be considered racist. (Yes, I've actually heard that said and seen it written.)
The thing that really irritates me is how people always demand someone lose a job - as if that is a minor thing. Good God, take away a man's livelihood over some innocuous words. The drill has become all too familiar in today's world. Be it race or politics. Someone says or does something. Everyone demands an apology. Then the apology is never enough so they still shout off with his head. Why bother to apologize then?
The Rev. Al, on the other hand, did ruin a man's life and career with the things that came out of his mouth in the Tawana Brawley case. I don't think he's ever apologized either.
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Well, a couple of black spokesmen on Hannity's radio show going at each other tooth and nail right now. Totally different views on the whole thing. Looks like many in the black community are no longer ready or willing to fall into lock-step behind the Rev. Al or Jesse anymore. Good for them!! Whites may have kept blacks oppressed for several generations but I think the two Rev's have done as much themselves these past several years.
What offends me in so many of these discussions is the assumptive statements made about or against whites - particularly lumping them together as a group - or over all time. To me that is as objectionable as assuming all blacks think or act alike.
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I agree Dithers. I don't think Al Sharpton speaks for most black people and I don't think Don Imus speaks for most white people. But they sure do play off each other, lol.
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Well as usuall I was much more interested in the ANS saga, enstead of something that really matters. But all the TH's have been talking about it.
Guess I'll do alot of reading tomorrow.
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Annie, I don't think you're missing much. It was more of a media spectacle than anything, imho.
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| annie13
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| dithers wrote: | Either we're going to have free speech or we aren't. Some people want it both ways. What Imus said might have been offensive to some but it certainly wasn't slanderous or libelous. I even wonder if some of the offended (ie. Rev's. Al and Jesse) are offended as much as they are opportunists.
Ho's is certainly not a term any of us is unfamiliar with and that's because it's used quite often in rap music, comedy routines, etc. In Stevie Wonder's song 'Sir Duke' he referred to himself as a nappy headed boy.
To say it is okay for blacks to use these terms but no one else can is disengenious at best. Just as blacks use the term n*****. Since those words are so hurtful then one would think they'd be the last to use them.
Even for Rev. Al to act offended when Imus said something about you people. Ross Perot got in trouble for the same thing. So they are making a complaint as a group, feeling angry and mad as a group but can't be referred to as a group.
I think the term racist has been taken so out of context of what the true meaning is. Racist terms are used against whites quite often but it is supposedly the rule that minorities can't be considered racist. (Yes, I've actually heard that said and seen it written.)
The thing that really irritates me is how people always demand someone lose a job - as if that is a minor thing. Good God, take away a man's livelihood over some innocuous words. The drill has become all too familiar in today's world. Be it race or politics. Someone says or does something. Everyone demands an apology. Then the apology is never enough so they still shout off with his head. Why bother to apologize then?
The Rev. Al, on the other hand, did ruin a man's life and career with the things that came out of his mouth in the Tawana Brawley case. I don't think he's ever apologized either. |
I'm gonna ass-u-me that's you in the avatar and ask if you've ever been called a nigger, a halfbreed, ever have your son call and tell you he was called a nigger and ask why? Do you think nappy headed is a compliment? And then do you think it's ok for any young woman to be called a HO, from some old man?
Your reasoning is nice on a screen in black and white, but I wonder if those names/words--- have ever hurt you?
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| annie13
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| pax wrote: | | Annie, I don't think you're missing much. It was more of a media spectacle than anything, imho. |
Yea, a bunch of hoopla, and nothing gets resolved, I do disagree with his comments, and still think if he thought he was being funny, it sure wasn't coming out of his mouth.
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| annie13 wrote: | | pax wrote: | | Annie, I don't think you're missing much. It was more of a media spectacle than anything, imho. |
Yea, a bunch of hoopla, and nothing gets resolved, I do disagree with his comments, and still think if he thought he was being funny, it sure wasn't coming out of his mouth. |
He was being a jerk, which is what he is. Few have commented about the sexism of his comments. He was talking about both women's basketball teams in terms of how they look. I think he should play in a basketball game with both teams. They'd kick his ass, rofl.
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| annie13
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| pax wrote: | | annie13 wrote: | | pax wrote: | | Annie, I don't think you're missing much. It was more of a media spectacle than anything, imho. |
Yea, a bunch of hoopla, and nothing gets resolved, I do disagree with his comments, and still think if he thought he was being funny, it sure wasn't coming out of his mouth. |
He was being a jerk, which is what he is. Few have commented about the sexism of his comments. He was talking about both women's basketball teams in terms of how they look. I think he should play in a basketball game with both teams. They'd kick his ass, rofl. |
lol, yep and he sure couldn't jump.
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| dithers
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| annie13 wrote: | | dithers wrote: | Either we're going to have free speech or we aren't. Some people want it both ways. What Imus said might have been offensive to some but it certainly wasn't slanderous or libelous. I even wonder if some of the offended (ie. Rev's. Al and Jesse) are offended as much as they are opportunists.
Ho's is certainly not a term any of us is unfamiliar with and that's because it's used quite often in rap music, comedy routines, etc. In Stevie Wonder's song 'Sir Duke' he referred to himself as a nappy headed boy.
To say it is okay for blacks to use these terms but no one else can is disengenious at best. Just as blacks use the term n*****. Since those words are so hurtful then one would think they'd be the last to use them.
Even for Rev. Al to act offended when Imus said something about you people. Ross Perot got in trouble for the same thing. So they are making a complaint as a group, feeling angry and mad as a group but can't be referred to as a group.
I think the term racist has been taken so out of context of what the true meaning is. Racist terms are used against whites quite often but it is supposedly the rule that minorities can't be considered racist. (Yes, I've actually heard that said and seen it written.)
The thing that really irritates me is how people always demand someone lose a job - as if that is a minor thing. Good God, take away a man's livelihood over some innocuous words. The drill has become all too familiar in today's world. Be it race or politics. Someone says or does something. Everyone demands an apology. Then the apology is never enough so they still shout off with his head. Why bother to apologize then?
The Rev. Al, on the other hand, did ruin a man's life and career with the things that came out of his mouth in the Tawana Brawley case. I don't think he's ever apologized either. |
I'm gonna ass-u-me that's you in the avatar and ask if you've ever been called a nigger, a halfbreed, ever have your son call and tell you he was called a nigger and ask why? Do you think nappy headed is a compliment? And then do you think it's ok for any young woman to be called a HO, from some old man?
Your reasoning is nice on a screen in black and white, but I wonder if those names/words--- have ever hurt you? |
When I grew up we had a saying - Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me. I still feel that way.
I've not ever been called a nigger or halfbreed. But I've been called plenty of other nasty things. Right here on RU even.
And though I've never been called such to my face I do feel I'm included in the group when blacks refer to honkies, crackers, whitey, etc.. Because of the context in which they're used those are offensive words as well but even if I got mad about them, which I don't, I certainly am not hurt over them.
I don't think it's ever appropriate for any woman, young or old, white or black, to be called a ho by any man, white or black. Why do you seem to think it's more offensive coming from an old man?
I also don't believe anyone should ever lose their means of making a living because they say something stupid. I quit listening to Imus years ago because just about everything he says irritates me. That's what everyone else should do instead of getting their knickers in such a twist.
To be honest the most I ever hear the words nigger or ho is when it is coming from blacks. It's interesting to me how we all even know what the term ho means. It certainly wasn't something I ever heard when I was young. We used the word whore but not ho. It is my guess that black rappers and comics are the one's responsible for introducing the word into today's general lexicon. Why do they continue to get a pass, particularly from the young black women who are so demeaned by the lyrics?
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Merriam-Webster on line
whitey
2 entries found for whitey.
To select an entry, click on it.
whitey
whity
Main Entry: whit·ey
Pronunciation: 'hwI-tE, 'wI-
Function: noun
Usage: often capitalized
usually disparaging : the white man : white society
honky...cracker....usually disparaging
nigger
One entry found for nigger.
Main Entry: nig·ger
Pronunciation: 'ni-g&r
Function: noun
Etymology: alteration of earlier neger, from Middle French negre, from Spanish or Portuguese negro, from negro black, from Latin niger
1 usually offensive; see usage paragraph below : a black person
2 usually offensive; see usage paragraph below : a member of any dark-skinned race
3 : a member of a socially disadvantaged class of persons <it>
usage Nigger in senses 1 and 2 can be found in the works of such writers of the past as Joseph Conrad, Mark Twain, and Charles Dickens, but it now ranks as perhaps the most offensive and inflammatory racial slur in English. Its use by and among blacks is not always intended or taken as offensive, but, except in sense 3, it is otherwise a word expressive of racial hatred and bigotry. Learn more about "nigger" and related topics at Britannica.com
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| annie13 wrote: | Merriam-Webster on line
whitey
2 entries found for whitey.
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whitey
whity
Main Entry: whit·ey
Pronunciation: 'hwI-tE, 'wI-
Function: noun
Usage: often capitalized
usually disparaging : the white man : white society
honky...cracker....usually disparaging
nigger
One entry found for nigger.
Main Entry: nig·ger
Pronunciation: 'ni-g&r
Function: noun
Etymology: alteration of earlier neger, from Middle French negre, from Spanish or Portuguese negro, from negro black, from Latin niger
1 usually offensive; see usage paragraph below : a black person
2 usually offensive; see usage paragraph below : a member of any dark-skinned race
3 : a member of a socially disadvantaged class of persons <it>
usage Nigger in senses 1 and 2 can be found in the works of such writers of the past as Joseph Conrad, Mark Twain, and Charles Dickens, but it now ranks as perhaps the most offensive and inflammatory racial slur in English. Its use by and among blacks is not always intended or taken as offensive, but, except in sense 3, it is otherwise a word expressive of racial hatred and bigotry. Learn more about "nigger" and related topics at Britannica.com |
No one, including blacks, should use the word. How are whites or any other color of people supposed to know which words are insulting to blacks when they use them themselves? They should set the example. They should set the standard. If a word is offensive then it should be offensive no matter who says it. If you want to be respected then respect yourself first.
This kind of double standard is the kind of thing that makes many in the white community throw up their hands in despair. And it then becomes even more of a free speech issue if some are allowed to use the words and others are not.
I hope you're not trying to lay the white-guilt trip on me because it ain't gonna work. I've always respected and been respected by any black acquaintances or co-workers I've had. I've always considered black people my equals. In fact, I never even think of them as black or different than me. I judge people by their character not the color of their skin. It's the race baiters and those who profess to be sympathetic to the plight of others who are always counting and comparing everything under the sun based on race. I refuse to be judged by past history because I didn't make it. When you look at the strides and advances that have been made in racial relationships and against discrimination in my lifetime alone the changes are phenomonal.
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Comparing the Imus words to the Duke case.
Let me see. Would a person rather be called a nappy-headed ho by an inconsequential disc-jockey or accused of being a violent rapist, kidnapper and sexual predator in a court of law?
Where are the the two great Reverends now? They who were out front and center among those hurling unfounded accusations against three innocent young men.
The problem with their outrage is that it is always so selective. And one of the biggest reasons they and their brand of race baiting and opportunism will (hopefully) fall by the wayside when they are dead and gone. Blacks, and everyone else in this society, deserve much better than the cheap theatrics these two and so many others keep throwing at the screen.
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| dithers wrote: | | annie13 wrote: | Merriam-Webster on line
whitey
2 entries found for whitey.
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whitey
whity
Main Entry: whit·ey
Pronunciation: 'hwI-tE, 'wI-
Function: noun
Usage: often capitalized
usually disparaging : the white man : white society
honky...cracker....usually disparaging
nigger
One entry found for nigger.
Main Entry: nig·ger
Pronunciation: 'ni-g&r
Function: noun
Etymology: alteration of earlier neger, from Middle French negre, from Spanish or Portuguese negro, from negro black, from Latin niger
1 usually offensive; see usage paragraph below : a black person
2 usually offensive; see usage paragraph below : a member of any dark-skinned race
3 : a member of a socially disadvantaged class of persons <it>
usage Nigger in senses 1 and 2 can be found in the works of such writers of the past as Joseph Conrad, Mark Twain, and Charles Dickens, but it now ranks as perhaps the most offensive and inflammatory racial slur in English. Its use by and among blacks is not always intended or taken as offensive, but, except in sense 3, it is otherwise a word expressive of racial hatred and bigotry. Learn more about "nigger" and related topics at Britannica.com |
No one, including blacks, should use the word. How are whites or any other color of people supposed to know which words are insulting to blacks when they use them themselves? They should set the example. They should set the standard. If a word is offensive then it should be offensive no matter who says it. If you want to be respected then respect yourself first.
This kind of double standard is the kind of thing that makes many in the white community throw up their hands in despair. And it then becomes even more of a free speech issue if some are allowed to use the words and others are not.
I hope you're not trying to lay the white-guilt trip on me because it ain't gonna work. I've always respected and been respected by any black acquaintances or co-workers I've had. I've always considered black people my equals. In fact, I never even think of them as black or different than me. I judge people by their character not the color of their skin. It's the race baiters and those who profess to be sympathetic to the plight of others who are always counting and comparing everything under the sun based on race. I refuse to be judged by past history because I didn't make it. When you look at the strides and advances that have been made in racial relationships and against discrimination in my lifetime alone the changes are phenomonal. |
Maybe you can ask the black co-workers or acquaintances you have always respected and been respected back by, what they think of a whitey using the word nigger. Are there really whitey's that have a white-guilt trip? Ask your black co-workers and acquaintances what they think of all the strides and advances that have been made in racial relationships.
Ignorance is bliss, so they say 
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MSNBC Drops Imus Simulcast
By DAVID CRARY (AP National Writer)
From Associated Press
April 11, 2007 7:09 PM EDT
NEW YORK - MSNBC said Wednesday it will drop its simulcast of the "Imus in the Morning" radio program, responding to growing outrage about the radio host's racial slur against the Rutgers women's basketball team.
"This decision comes as a result of an ongoing review process, which initially included the announcement of a suspension. It also takes into account many conversations with our own employees," NBC news said in a statement.
The announcement also was made on air.
Talk-show host Don Imus triggered the uproar on his April 4 show, when he referred to the mostly black Rutgers women's basketball team as "nappy-headed hos." His comments have been widely denounced by civil rights and women's groups.
The decision does not affect Imus' nationally syndicated radio show, and the ultimate decision on the fate of that program will rest with executives at CBS Corp. In a statement, CBS reiterated that Imus will be suspended without pay for two weeks beginning on Monday, and that CBS Radio "will continue to speak with all concerned parties and monitor the situation closely."
MSNBC's action came after a growing list of sponsors - including American Express Co., Sprint Nextel Corp., Staples Inc., Procter & Gamble Co., and General Motors Corp. - said they were pulling ads from Imus' show for the indefinite future.
NBC News President Steve Capus said he made the decision after reading thousands of e-mails and having countless discussions with NBC workers and the public, but he denied the potential loss of advertising dollars had anything to do with it.
"I take no joy in this. It's not a particularly happy moment, but it needed to happen," he said. "I can't ignore the fact that there is a very long list of inappropriate comments, of inappropriate banter, and it has to stop."
NBC's decision came at a time when Imus' program on MSNBC was doing better competitively than it ever has been. For the first three months of the year, its audience was nearly identical to CNN's, leading CNN to replace its morning news team last week.
Calls for Imus' firing from the radio portion of the program have intensified during the past week, and remained strong even after MSNBC's announcment. The show originates from WFAN-AM in New York City and is syndicated nationally by Westwood One, both of which are managed by CBS Corp. MSNBC, which had been simulcasting the show, is a unit of General Electric Co.'s NBC Universal.
Bruce Gordon, former head of the NAACP and a director of CBS Corp., said before MSNBC's decision Wednesday he hoped the broadcasting company would "make the smart decision" by firing Imus.
"He's crossed the line, he's violated our community," Gordon said in a telephone interview with The Associated Press. "He needs to face the consequence of that violation."
Gordon, a longtime telecommunications executive, stepped down in March after 19 months as head of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, one of the foremost U.S. civil rights organizations.
He said he had spoken with CBS chief executive Leslie Moonves and hoped the company, after reviewing the situation, would fire Imus rather than let him return to the air at the end of his suspension.
A CBS spokesman, Dana McClintock, declined comment on the remarks by Gordon, who is one of at least two minorities on the 13-member board.
The 10 members of the Rutgers team spoke publicly for the first time Tuesday about the on-air comments, made the day after the team lost the NCAA championship game to Tennessee. Some of them wiped away tears as their coach, C. Vivian Stringer, criticized Imus for "racist and sexist remarks that are deplorable, despicable, abominable and unconscionable."
The women, eight of whom are black, agreed to meet with Imus privately next Tuesday and hear his explanation. They held back from saying whether they'd accept Imus' apologies or passing judgment on whether a two-week suspension imposed by CBS Radio and MSNBC was sufficient.
Stringer said late Wednesday that she did not call for Imus' firing, but was pleased with the decision by NBC executives.
Imus has apologized repeatedly for his comments. He said Tuesday he hadn't been thinking when making a joke that went "way too far." He also said that those who called for his firing without knowing him, his philanthropic work or what his show was about would be making an "ill-informed" choice.
At the Rutgers campus in New Brunswick, N.J., about 300 students and faculty rallied earlier in the day to cheer for their team, which lost in the national championship game, and add their voices to the crescendo of calls for Imus' ouster. One of the speakers was Chidimma Acholonu, president of the campus chapter of the NAACP.
"This is not a battle against one man. This is a battle against a way of thought," she said. "Don Imus does not understand the power of his words, so it is our responsibility to remind him."
Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
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From salon.com:
Every one of these statements came directly out of Don Imus' mouth on his program. That's striking because Imus usually leaves it to other show regulars (especially McGuirk, the aforementioned point man on "nigger" jokes) to say the most offensive stuff, with Imus feeding them straight lines. It's safer that way.
On blacks:
"William Cohen, the Mandingo deal." (Former Defense Secretary Cohen's wife is African-American.)
"Wasn't in a woodpile, was he?" (Responding to news that former black militant H. Rap Brown, subsequently known as Abdullah Al-Amin, was found hiding in a shed in Alabama after exchanging gunfire with police. Imus is here alluding to the expression "nigger in the woodpile.")
"Knuckle-dragging moron." (Description of basketball player Patrick Ewing.)
"We all have 12-inch penises." (After being asked what he has in common with Nat Turner, Malcolm X, Minister Louis Farrakhan, Latrell Sprewell from the New York Knicks, and Al Sharpton.)
"Chest-thumping pimps." (Description of the New York Knicks.)
"A cleaning lady." (Reference to journalist Gwen Ifill, possibly out of pique that she wouldn't appear on his show. "I certainly don't know any black journalists who will," she wrote in the April 10 New York Times. The Chicago Tribune's Clarence Page used to appear, but after he made Imus pledge not to make offensive comments in the future, he was never asked back.)
On Jews:
"I remember when I first had [the Blind Boys of Alabama] on a few years ago, how the Jewish management at whatever, whoever we work for, CBS, or whatever it is, were bitching at me about it. […] I tried to put it in terms that these money-grubbing bastards could understand."
"Boner-nosed … beanie-wearing Jewboy." (Description of Howard Kurtz of the Washington Post, a frequent guest.)
On women:
"That buck-tooth witch Satan, Hillary Clinton." […] "I never admitted it when I went down there and got in all that big jam, insulting Bill Clinton and his fat ugly wife, Satan. Did I? Did I ever say I was sorry for that?"
On Native Americans:
"The guy from F-Troop, Sen. Ben Nighthorse Campbell." (This is a reference to the zany Indian characters on the 1960s TV sitcom F-Troop. They had names like "Roaring Chicken," "Crazy Cat," and "Chief Wild Eagle.")
On Japanese:
"Old Kabuki's in a coma and the market's going up. […] How old is the boy? The battery's running down on that boy." (Reference to Japanese Prime Minister Keizo Obuchi, who died the following week.)
On gays:
"I didn't know that Allan Bloom was coming in from the back end." (The homosexuality of the author of The Closing of the American Mind became widely known when Saul Bellow published Ravelstein, a novel whose protagonist was based on Bloom, who by then was deceased.)
"The enormously attractive [NBC political correspondent] Chip Reid, I can say without being accused of being some limp-wristed 'mo."
On the handicapped:
"Janet Reno's having a press conference. Ms. Reno, of course, has Parkinson's disease, has a noticeable tremor. […] I don't know how she gets that lipstick on (laughter) looking like a rodeo clown."
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| annie13 wrote: | | dithers wrote: | | annie13 wrote: | Merriam-Webster on line
whitey
2 entries found for whitey.
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whitey
whity
Main Entry: whit·ey
Pronunciation: 'hwI-tE, 'wI-
Function: noun
Usage: often capitalized
usually disparaging : the white man : white society
honky...cracker....usually disparaging
nigger
One entry found for nigger.
Main Entry: nig·ger
Pronunciation: 'ni-g&r
Function: noun
Etymology: alteration of earlier neger, from Middle French negre, from Spanish or Portuguese negro, from negro black, from Latin niger
1 usually offensive; see usage paragraph below : a black person
2 usually offensive; see usage paragraph below : a member of any dark-skinned race
3 : a member of a socially disadvantaged class of persons <it>
usage Nigger in senses 1 and 2 can be found in the works of such writers of the past as Joseph Conrad, Mark Twain, and Charles Dickens, but it now ranks as perhaps the most offensive and inflammatory racial slur in English. Its use by and among blacks is not always intended or taken as offensive, but, except in sense 3, it is otherwise a word expressive of racial hatred and bigotry. Learn more about "nigger" and related topics at Britannica.com |
No one, including blacks, should use the word. How are whites or any other color of people supposed to know which words are insulting to blacks when they use them themselves? They should set the example. They should set the standard. If a word is offensive then it should be offensive no matter who says it. If you want to be respected then respect yourself first.
This kind of double standard is the kind of thing that makes many in the white community throw up their hands in despair. And it then becomes even more of a free speech issue if some are allowed to use the words and others are not.
I hope you're not trying to lay the white-guilt trip on me because it ain't gonna work. I've always respected and been respected by any black acquaintances or co-workers I've had. I've always considered black people my equals. In fact, I never even think of them as black or different than me. I judge people by their character not the color of their skin. It's the race baiters and those who profess to be sympathetic to the plight of others who are always counting and comparing everything under the sun based on race. I refuse to be judged by past history because I didn't make it. When you look at the strides and advances that have been made in racial relationships and against discrimination in my lifetime alone the changes are phenomonal. |
Maybe you can ask the black co-workers or acquaintances you have always respected and been respected back by, what they think of a whitey using the word nigger. Are there really whitey's that have a white-guilt trip? Ask your black co-workers and acquaintances what they think of all the strides and advances that have been made in racial relationships.
Ignorance is bliss, so they say |
Annie, I'm curious. How old are you and are you black?
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No FCC Action Expected in Imus Affair
By REUTERS
Published: April 13, 2007
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Federal Communications Commission is not expected to take action over racist comments uttered by now-fired radio host Don Imus because of free-speech concerns, lawyers said on Thursday.
The FCC is barred from trying to prevent the broadcast of any point of view. The Communications Act prohibits the agency from censoring broadcast material, in most cases, and from making any regulation that would interfere with freedom of speech.
The agency received complaints after Imus referred to the Rutgers University women's college basketball team as ''nappy-headed hos,'' on his morning radio program last week.
``Nappy'' is a slur describing the tightly curled hair of many African-Americans and ``ho'' is slang for ``whore.''
Imus was dumped by CBS Radio on Thursday one day after he was dropped by MSNBC, which had broadcast his radio show on television and after several major advertisers backed out amid an outcry over the remarks.
The FCC has remained quiet throughout the affair.
The complaints ``will go into the normal review process,'' FCC spokesman David Fiske said.
David Solomon, former FCC Enforcement Bureau chief and now a lawyer with Wilkinson, Barker & Knauer, said, ``There are cases involving African-Americans, Jews, Muslims, that make clear that the FCC views the First Amendment as protecting racist speech.
``First of all there is no rule, and given their precedent, they have made it quite clear that it is protected by the First Amendment. They would have to overturn decades of precedent relating to the First Amendment,'' he said.
Jack Goodman, the former general counsel of the National Association of Broadcasters, said, ``The truth is, in the current understanding of the rules, it is not in violation of any FCC rule.''
The FCC bars radio and television broadcast stations from airing obscene material. Under the rules, broadcast stations can air profanity and sexually explicit content only during late-night hours when children are less likely to be watching or listening.
Fines can reach up to $325,000 per incident. The FCC's rules on profanity are being challenged in court by the major television networks and a ruling is expected soon.
Another provocative radio host, Howard Stern, left broadcast radio for satellite radio after numerous clashes with the FCC. Decency limits do not apply to satellite and cable services.
http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/arts/entertainment-media-imus-fcc.html
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whitey
2 entries found for whitey.
To select an entry, click on it.
whitey
whity
Main Entry: whit·ey
Pronunciation: 'hwI-tE, 'wI-
Function: noun
Usage: often capitalized
usually disparaging : the white man : white society
honky...cracker....usually disparaging
nigger
One entry found for nigger.
Main Entry: nig·ger
Pronunciation: 'ni-g&r
Function: noun
Etymology: alteration of earlier neger, from Middle French negre, from Spanish or Portuguese negro, from negro black, from Latin niger
1 usually offensive; see usage paragraph below : a black person
2 usually offensive; see usage paragraph below : a member of any dark-skinned race
3 : a member of a socially disadvantaged class of persons <it>
usage Nigger in senses 1 and 2 can be found in the works of such writers of the past as Joseph Conrad, Mark Twain, and Charles Dickens, but it now ranks as perhaps the most offensive and inflammatory racial slur in English. Its use by and among blacks is not always intended or taken as offensive, but, except in sense 3, it is otherwise a word expressive of racial hatred and bigotry. Learn more about "nigger" and related topics at Britannica.com |
No one, including blacks, should use the word. How are whites or any other color of people supposed to know which words are insulting to blacks when they use them themselves? They should set the example. They should set the standard. If a word is offensive then it should be offensive no matter who says it. If you want to be respected then respect yourself first.
This kind of double standard is the kind of thing that makes many in the white community throw up their hands in despair. And it then becomes even more of a free speech issue if some are allowed to use the words and others are not.
I hope you're not trying to lay the white-guilt trip on me because it ain't gonna work. I've always respected and been respected by any black acquaintances or co-workers I've had. I've always considered black people my equals. In fact, I never even think of them as black or different than me. I judge people by their character not the color of their skin. It's the race baiters and those who profess to be sympathetic to the plight of others who are always counting and comparing everything under the sun based on race. I refuse to be judged by past history because I didn't make it. When you look at the strides and advances that have been made in racial relationships and against discrimination in my lifetime alone the changes are phenomonal. |
Maybe you can ask the black co-workers or acquaintances you have always respected and been respected back by, what they think of a whitey using the word nigger. Are there really whitey's that have a white-guilt trip? Ask your black co-workers and acquaintances what they think of all the strides and advances that have been made in racial relationships.
Ignorance is bliss, so they say |
Annie, I'm curious. How old are you and are you black? |
I would hope that what my age is or what color my skin is, would not influence what you have to say.
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