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apodixis
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Tue May 15, 2007 4:54 pm |
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Religion and the NH Case
Open for discussion.
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| dugo
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Tue May 15, 2007 5:25 pm |
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I'm an active atheist once baptised a roman katholic with a kosher kitchen in a house surrounded by muslims (just to give you an idea where I'm coming from). Religion has has done nothing but standing in the way in this case.
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| DiamondDot
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Tue May 15, 2007 5:32 pm |
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The only religion I've witnessed from Beth, the MBites and their little darlings is that of egoism and $$$. They've appeared intensly worshipful, unwaivering. No matter the cost to humanity.
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| kat
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Tue May 15, 2007 5:40 pm |
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I think they have used and are still using religion only whenever it suits them.
Unfortunately a lot of people spout hatred in one breath and prayer in the next.
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| Sultan
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Tue May 15, 2007 6:41 pm |
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| DiamondDot wrote: | | The only religion I've witnessed from Beth, the MBites and their little darlings is that of egoism and $$$. They've appeared intensly worshipful, unwaivering. No matter the cost to humanity. |
That's the new Southern baptist. God wants them to have money and spend it on themselves.
I almost fell off my rocker when I saw this reported on CNN last week. WWJD.
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| Sultan
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Tue May 15, 2007 6:43 pm |
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| kat wrote: | I think they have used and are still using religion only whenever it suits them.
Unfortunately a lot of people spout hatred in one breath and prayer in the next. |
That monkey site fits the above definition to a tee. it's there mission statement.
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| iwabwu
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Tue May 15, 2007 6:46 pm |
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I think looking for the 'truth' in this case is important regardless of any religious ideas folks may have. JMHO
The truth, IMHO, is simply what happened.
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| WordsofWisdom
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Tue May 15, 2007 6:48 pm |
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| Sultan wrote: | | DiamondDot wrote: | | The only religion I've witnessed from Beth, the MBites and their little darlings is that of egoism and $$$. They've appeared intensly worshipful, unwaivering. No matter the cost to humanity. |
That's the new Southern baptist. God wants them to have money and spend it on themselves.
I almost fell off my rocker when I saw this reported on CNN last week. WWJD. |
And they get to write off the taxes of their excesses too.
Golf Course? Tax writeoff.
The list is long.
ALL expenses paid by the common man.
They don't use THEIR money- they use ours.
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Tue May 15, 2007 6:55 pm |
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| Quote: | The girl’s brother Matt, and a stepbrother, George Twitty, were to arrive later Tuesday, carrying 1,000 prayer bracelets made by her friends, said Holloway’s aunt, Marcia Twitty.
In Holloway’s hometown of Mountain Brook, Ala., residents tied yellow ribbons to everything from mail boxes to ATMs. |
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| iwabwu
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Tue May 15, 2007 7:21 pm |
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| WordsofWisdom wrote: | | Sultan wrote: | | DiamondDot wrote: | | The only religion I've witnessed from Beth, the MBites and their little darlings is that of egoism and $$$. They've appeared intensly worshipful, unwaivering. No matter the cost to humanity. |
That's the new Southern baptist. God wants them to have money and spend it on themselves.
I almost fell off my rocker when I saw this reported on CNN last week. WWJD. |
And they get to write off the taxes of their excesses too.
Golf Course? Tax writeoff.
The list is long.
ALL expenses paid by the common man.
They don't use THEIR money- they use ours. |
Could that logic "They don't use THEIR money- they use ours." be applied to many things?
The Aruban budget spent on the search? What guiding principles were used to determine where that money was spent?
Any audit yet?
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| SavannahStar
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Tue May 15, 2007 7:27 pm |
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| iwabwu wrote: | | WordsofWisdom wrote: | | Sultan wrote: | | DiamondDot wrote: | | The only religion I've witnessed from Beth, the MBites and their little darlings is that of egoism and $$$. They've appeared intensly worshipful, unwaivering. No matter the cost to humanity. |
That's the new Southern baptist. God wants them to have money and spend it on themselves.
I almost fell off my rocker when I saw this reported on CNN last week. WWJD. |
And they get to write off the taxes of their excesses too.
Golf Course? Tax writeoff.
The list is long.
ALL expenses paid by the common man.
They don't use THEIR money- they use ours. |
Could that logic "They don't use THEIR money- they use ours." be applied to many things?
The Aruban budget spent on the search? What guiding principles were used to determine where that money was spent?
Any audit yet? |
OH. MY. GOD.
Sometimes I can't believe what you post, wabbi.
Get real. Where's Twitty's $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ from the trust fund and love bowls? Any audit on that yet?
I recall hearing drunken Tim Miller say TexEq couldn't go back and search in Aruba due to lack of funds. So where did Beth's money go?
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| padpradasha
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Tue May 15, 2007 8:15 pm |
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That Robert Schuler is a scary character eulogizing Falwell on Larry King.
Isn't Holloway-Twitty connected to Schuler?
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| postahbabe
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Tue May 15, 2007 8:20 pm |
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| padpradasha wrote: | That Robert Schuler is a scary character eulogizing Falwell on Larry King.
Isn't Holloway-Twitty connected to Schuler? |
I have been a Christian for over 40 years but think people like Falwell suck. The Bible is clear: in the last days, there will be many false prophets. Did anybody think they WOULDN'T claim to be acting in the name of God?
http://www.liberalslikechrist.org/
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| padpradasha
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Tue May 15, 2007 8:23 pm |
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Robert Schuller.
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| Sultan
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Tue May 15, 2007 9:02 pm |
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| postahbabe wrote: | | padpradasha wrote: | That Robert Schuler is a scary character eulogizing Falwell on Larry King.
Isn't Holloway-Twitty connected to Schuler? |
I have been a Christian for over 40 years but think people like Falwell suck. The Bible is clear: in the last days, there will be many false prophets. Did anybody think they WOULDN'T claim to be acting in the name of God?
http://www.liberalslikechrist.org/ |
Good Point
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| pax
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Tue May 15, 2007 10:01 pm |
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This is purely anectdotal. I know a psychiatrist who does some court-appointed counseling. She says evangelicals are harder to treat than drug addicts because they don't want to be treated.
This is not meant to belittle anyone's spirituality, which is personal. It's interesting to consider when reading some who are stuck on stupid.
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Tue May 15, 2007 10:03 pm |
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| pax wrote: | This is purely anectdotal. I know a psychiatrist who does some court-appointed counseling. She says evangelicals are harder to treat than drug addicts because they don't want to be treated.
This is not meant to belittle anyone's spirituality, which is personal. It's interesting to consider when reading some who are stuck on stupid. |
What about drug addicted evangelicals.......any hope at all?  
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| pax
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Tue May 15, 2007 10:07 pm |
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| resigned wrote: | | pax wrote: | This is purely anectdotal. I know a psychiatrist who does some court-appointed counseling. She says evangelicals are harder to treat than drug addicts because they don't want to be treated.
This is not meant to belittle anyone's spirituality, which is personal. It's interesting to consider when reading some who are stuck on stupid. |
What about drug addicted evangelicals.......any hope at all? |
Perhaps in the form of contributions from the gullible. 
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| apodixis
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Tue May 15, 2007 10:12 pm |
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| pax wrote: | This is purely anectdotal. I know a psychiatrist who does some court-appointed counseling. She says evangelicals are harder to treat than drug addicts because they don't want to be treated.
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As demonstrated at Jonestown, faith can be a dangerous drug:
See the television documentary by Richard Dawkins, in which he argues that the world would be better off without religion. Outline of the documentary: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Root_of_All_Evil%3F
See the documentary video here: http://www.atheistnation.net/video/?video/00004
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| iquitos
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i have a distant relative who
has gone off the deep end religiously and mentally. i would call it a form of religiously influenced bipolarity. she is expecting the imminent end of times. left her family (husband and children) and wandered off the the venue of the second coming and the uplifting. family is also very religious. so much so they cannot deal with her slide into mental illness. they have abandoned her to the authorities, jail, and so on. they are helpless to deal with this problem because of their deep seated superstition.
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| apodixis
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Tue May 15, 2007 10:53 pm |
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Re: i have a distant relative who
| iquitos wrote: | | has gone off the deep end religiously and mentally. i would call it a form of religiously influenced bipolarity. she is expecting the imminent end of times. left her family (husband and children) and wandered off the the venue of the second coming and the uplifting. family is also very religious. so much so they cannot deal with her slide into mental illness. they have abandoned her to the authorities, jail, and so on. they are helpless to deal with this problem because of their deep seated superstition. |
The general term for the religious belief in the coming of the end of the world is Apocalypticism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocalypticism
One of it’s serious political manifestations today is Christian Zionism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism , which is one of the factors which has been involving the U.S. in the middle east conflict.
Richard Dawkins's book “The God Delusion” also examines Muslim Jihadism, the other side of the middle east conflict that the U.S.has gotten embroiled in in Iraq.
Link to the TV documentary of the book: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Root_of_All_Evil%3F
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| gwen
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Tue May 15, 2007 11:42 pm |
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INTERVIEW – BETH TWITTY
*****************************************************************RHS: ROBERT HAROLD SCHULLER BT : BETH TWITTY
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RHS: Now my guest today is Beth Twitty. You all who know her name, it’s become a household word. Beth Twitty, it was a year ago that her daughter went missing. Her daughter is Natalee Holloway. And this church prayed for them, still praying for Beth Twitty. It’s very appropriate that she is with us on a prayer Sunday. Today I’m anxious for her to be here to tell us how she is turning scars into stars, turning her hurt into a halo by creating a new foundation that can help a lot of people, and protect them when they travel. But let her tell us about that. She and her husband Jug Twitty live in Alabama with their son Matt, but give a warm and wonderful welcome with me to Beth Twitty.
RHS: May a year ago. Tell where you’re at today. Summarize that, in your own way, just.
BT: Well it has been a long journey. And when we think back to how we began and you know Dr. Schuller on the first day of Natalee’s disappearance, that our community, they wanted to be connected in prayer immediately and Mount brook Community Church opened their doors, a church that we had never attended, and had daily prayer services for Natalee. And that was where they could go and give comfort just by asking God to bring peace to our family and for answers. You know it just spread from our community throughout the nation. And when I think back on, you know, from that moment to where, you know we began to receive just thousands of cards and letters from persons all over the world and in the cards they would send us precious and thoughtful little gifts, I mean I received rosary beads, mass cards, prayer cards, crosses and pictures, just of entire families, you know, that were praying for us.
RHS: When you went to Aruba, what we saw on the news was that you expected and hoped to find her.
BT: Yes.
RHS: That has never happened.
BT: No, it has not. It has not. And you know that was hard in the journey to have to come to that realization that, you know we might not, we might not find Natalee. We might not. And it took a while for me to come to that. But I am at peace with that, but I do want my quest for answers to continue.
RHS: You didn’t have success in finding answers to those important questions in Aruba, and I hear you went to the Netherlands.
BT: I did and it was absolutely a wonderful move for me and I was delighted to have the invitation, I went to Amsterdam, they were just so genuinely concerned, they were very attentive; they were just, just absolutely wonderful. And they seem, as I do, they would like answers also. And my hopes are that Holland will be instrumental in helping me get to the answers.
RHS: Well I know that they’ll do what they can. The Prime Minister has been here, he’s a dear friend of mine and the power people of the country watch this every Sunday morning. They are very strong supporters of our positive approach here. Tell me, you had an experience, at a little church. I think it was a Catholic church; tell us about that, it’s very beautiful.
BT: Well, that first week when we were in Aruba searching it was so difficult. And, I just can’t even describe what we were going through and blindly navigating a foreign country and you know I think that I had been awake for so many days and nights that they were blending together. And I think it was on about the fifth morning, and I knew that I could not make it anymore, and I think when you are in a situation like that I was fortunate to be able to draw upon my foundation of faith. And you know my mother who’s here with us today, I mean there were three words that she raised us with and that God is good, and I knew what I had to do. And I knew that I needed to seek Him out, I’d been praying but I knew I needed to pray harder and louder. And I made my way to a cab driver picked me up on about the fifth morning at five a.m. And he took me on a gravel road and as he was slowing down I noticed there was a line of large white beautiful crosses, and he pulled over and he asked me to get out of the cab. And I wasn’t sure what was going to happen as I was approaching the first cross, but when I got there, I stood there for just a moment, and then I fell to my knees clutching a photo of Natalee and just begging God to give her back. And I got up and I made my way to the next cross, and the next one, and the next one, and I repeated the same plea.
RHS: On your knees?
BT: On my knees. Taking the ground from Aruba and rubbing it across her picture, begging God to give her back. And then I think it was when I got to about the sixth cross that I received, I received an answer from God, and it came in the form of just a complete and overwhelming peace. And the burden that I was carrying and not being able to provide or care for Natalee was truly lifted from my shoulders. And I truly felt the weight lift at that moment. And I knew in that instant, I knew in that instant that God is with Natalee.
And so I think at that point, at that sixth cross, in the early morning hours I think we came to an acceptance trust is how I looked at it. Is that God is as proud of Natalee as I am, so if He trusted me to place her in my presence to care for her and nurture her, then when she was not in my presence, that I must trust Him, that He will care and provide for Natalie since I can no longer do that with her in my presence.
So, I think that was just such a turning point in this journey.
RHS: I thought when I saw you close up on TV, that I saw Jesus in your eyes. And I still do. So He has been your Savior. And so today if people ask you where do you think Natalee is, what’s your answer?
BT: Oh, she’s with God.
RHS: That’s wonderful.
BT: Dr. Schuller, Natalee’s faith too was so strong, and I just wanted to share with you that Natalee’s Bible study leader told me that out of; Natalee had been in her Bible Study class for four years, and her senior year with Donna Green’s ministry, Natalee was the only one that achieved 100% in Bible Verse memory.
RHS: Wow.
BT: So she had a very strong faith.
RHS: Wow. Now you’ve started a new foundation to try to help others and we have a short video that.. no audio, so will you comment as the video is shown now on the screen. You can see it here.
BT: Okay. Well we have a foundation we’ve established, it’s Safe Travels Foundation and what we want to do is we want to invite travelers of all ages, all ages to visit our website, and to begin to familiarize themselves with the destination that they are visiting. And they can print this information. It’s pertinent, critical infrastructure information of the country that you might be visiting so you can be proactive should you find yourself in a crisis situation, instead of reactive as we were. You know, we began; it was so difficult for us that first week into Natalee’s disappearance because it’s hard to know who to turn to and where to get help from. And along with our foundation, we’re excited about, we are working in.. a university is working in conjunction with the Safe Travels Foundation. And they are developing a curriculum and they are delving into the legal and safety issues for persons traveling internationally.
RHS: Wow. Thank her for that. Thank you. I see Jesus Christ in your eyes. Your eyes are beautiful. There’s a spirit that comes through it. And it’s more than you, its not just Beth Twitty. Two people are looking at me: Jesus looking at me through your glazed eyes and He’s smiling, He’s proud of you. It’s beautiful. Now, there was song that meant a great deal to you during that time. You want to tell us about it?
BT: Well I think when person’s find themselves faced with such a crisis that.. I think we tend to draw upon our foundation. My foundation of faith and I think when I think of this hymn, it brings me back to a time in my life where there was just peace and my mother, who is still singing in our church choir. She’s been singing there for many, many years, along with her brother, who is no longer with us. And they grew up listening to them sing these hymns and one special feeling in my heart for this hymn is my uncle was singing this as a solo in the choir but it didn’t remain a solo very long. His daughter, Cara, joined him for a duet as a surprise. And you know this hymn, just like I said; it’s just been very special in our family for many, many years. And I think that’s what I did; I went back in my mind to a place that there was peace and drew upon that foundation.
RHS: Wow. And the name of the song is..
BT: Because He Lives.
RHS: Because He Lives. Beth Twitty may God who knows you better than I do, who knows where you’re hurting today and can’t even share it. May God bless you where you need it most and leave Your fingerprints all over her heart. Amen.
BT: Amen. Thank you so much.
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| padpradasha
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Thanks gwen! 
Schuller Power
Recent headlines, about the Rev. Robert Schuller's alleged assault on a United Airlines flight attendant, have highlighted a growing problem in the airline industry: passengers who misbehave to such an extent that they constitute a threat to the safety of the flight crew.
The criminal complaint against Rev. Schuller charged him with a misdemeanor, stating he argued with a male flight attendant on the Los Angeles-to-New York flight, and then put his hands on the attendant's shoulders and shook him, "causing (the attendant's) head to move up and down in a vigorous manner."
The Positive Thinking Reverend was said to have been angered because he could not hang his ministerial robes behind his first class seat (he seemed concerned about wrinkles but not about the violation of Federal Aviation Safety Regulations); because his specially ordered low-fat meal was "inedible;" and because they dared to serve a plate of grapes that also had cheese on it!
If this conveys an image of a primadonna mentality that seems to think he is the centerpiece of all importance, then we begin to understand the prime causal factor in such ridiculous incidents.
In a rather vague TV sermon, following the incident, Rev. Schuller appeared to portray the situation as one of mere misunderstanding; he was a "hands on" minister because he loves everyone and that had been misinterpreted by others.
Airline Safety.com
In return for a public apology, a fine of $1,100 and six months of supervision during which he refrains from breaking any more laws, federal prosecutors agreed to drop the misdemeanor assault charges against the "Hour of Power" minister.
That should have been the end of it but, in a legal climate found only in America, it is just the beginning. A $5 million lawsuit has been filed by the "injured" flight attendant, alleging Schuller had ruined his career. F/A Khaled Elabiad is now too frightened to even go near an airport and is being treated by 4 different doctors, including a psychiatrist. Elabiad demands $2.5 million from the "hands on" Reverend and another $2.5 million from Schuller's church.
To most of us, such claims insult our intelligence. But that doesn't mean a jury convened in New York or Los Angeles won't agree with such absurdity.
Unacceptable passenger behavior on airliners is a growing problem and carries the potential of actually threatening the safe operation of a given flight. For several years cockpit and cabin crews have advocated a "get tough" policy towards such passengers, but it has been only during recent months that airline managements and the FAA have recognized the importance of nipping this trend in the bud. By filing such a ridiculous lawsuit, Elabiad may have severely injured several years of hard work by flight crews.
Imagine another passenger doing something that actually threatens the safety of a flight, but the evidence consists solely of the testimony of some crewmembers. If he is a rich celebrity, a sharp defense lawyer could get him off by claiming (Johnny Cockran style) the crew had conspired against him so they can then sue for the big deep-pocket bucks that motivates many slimy lawyers. In other words, the credibility of the testimony of flight crews is crucial to obtaining a conviction for miscreant passengers. If all the evidence in the O.J. trial was ignored because one cop lied, then it is not too much of a stretch to see the potential for celebrities going scott free, after they have endangered a flight, because greedy lawyers seek to milk the situation for all they can get. If flight crew members succumb to dollar signs dangled before their eyes by amoral lawyers, then this aspect of airline safety is dealt a serious blow. Fortune Cookie lawyers can hurt us all, especially if we travel by air.
September, 1997, revised September, 2005
Robert J. Boser
Editor-in-Chief
AirlineSafety.Com
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