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blenchi
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Mon Jan 15, 2007 4:32 pm |
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Little Girl Killed Trying to Save Trapped Pit Bull
| Quote: | SAN ANTONIO (AP) - A 10-year-old girl has died after being attacked by her neighbor's dog while trying to help the animal after it had gotten its collar caught on a chain link fence.
Amber Jones was in her backyard Friday afternoon practicing cheerleadering moves when she noticed that in an attempt to jump over the fence, the pit bull was caught. As she had done several times before, she asked her mom if she could help the dog.
He mother said yes. When the girl went to the dog's rescue, the dog attacked her.
Hearing her daughter's screams, Lori Jones ran into the backyard. The dog had bitten Amber in the stomach and was now attached to her neck.
Amber's mother tried to push the dog off. A man rushed to help and got the dog away from both mother and daughter. The family does not know the man but said if he had not been there the dog could have attacked Lori Jones as well.
Amber was airlifted to University Hospital, where she died a couple hours later.
"You just try to keep it together," her father, Robert Jones, said the day after her death. "We're hanging together and trying to reason it out."
The dog was put into the custody of Animal Services and will likely be euthanized because it killed someone, said Animal Cruelty Investigator Eddie Wright. There will be a hearing during which the owners of the dog will have a chance to defend the animal. That hearing has to be held within 10 days of the incident, he said.
Robert Jones said the family that owns the dog did come to their house to apologize for what happened.
Police spokesman Joe Rios said criminal charges against the owners appear unlikely. He said the report indicates it was "just an unfortunate accident." |
This is awfull. Having a Pitbull is still permitted in the USA? What would you do? Kill the Pitbull or let him live after this accident? I know that a dog in terrible pain always bites no matter if you are the owner.
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| blenchi
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SILENCE!!! 
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| tulsad
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Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:07 pm |
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Re: Little Girl Killed Trying to Save Trapped Pit Bull
| blenchi wrote: |
This is awfull. Having a Pitbull is still permitted in the USA? What would you do? Kill the Pitbull or let him live after this accident? I know that a dog in terrible pain always bites no matter if you are the owner. |
I don't know about elsewhere, Blenchi, but from watching a show on "Animal Planet" that follows Detroit animal control officers, I've learned that pit bulls are illegal there and are destroyed if found.
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| SavannahStar
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Thu Jan 18, 2007 7:25 am |
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Re: Little Girl Killed Trying to Save Trapped Pit Bull
| blenchi wrote: |
This is awfull. Having a Pitbull is still permitted in the USA? What would you do? Kill the Pitbull or let him live after this accident? I know that a dog in terrible pain always bites no matter if you are the owner. |
Don't even get me started. 
I own a pitbull, she is the best dog I ever had....I would never own another breed. Loving, loyal and wonderful.
Go here, for an education:
http://www.pitbullforum.com/index.php
My favorite quote:
It's true that pitbulls grab and hold on......but what they grab and hold onto is your heart.
~Proud Pitbull Mom 
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| dithers
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Thu Jan 18, 2007 1:13 pm |
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I'm always at a loss when people want to punish animals for not acting the way humans would act.
That old maxim about once they've tasted human blood they'll kill again. GMAFB. So a gator or bear or mountain lion kills someone and they go out and kill what they say is that gator or bear or mountain lion. HTH does anyone know it's the same animal and even if it is, what does that prove?
Years ago I remember it was common practice that if a zoo animal managed to killl or harm anyone they were destroyed. Funny, isn't it, now that these exotic animals are rare and/or endangered (and also by the way extremely expensive) that they always say the people provoked the attack, etc. and the animals are not put to death.
IMO, bad pit bulls are the way they are because people make them that way. In reality there are probably one hell of a lot more people one should be afraid to be alone with than there are animals.
No one thinks twice about the good advice to stay out of certain areas, especially after dark, for fear of human predators but when an animal does what an animal will do - well then it's Nellie Bar the Door!!
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| SavannahStar
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Thu Jan 18, 2007 2:22 pm |
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Ten Facts About Pit Bulls Every One Should Know
1. Pit Bulls are commonly used as therapy dogs. Whether they are visiting a senior care facility or helping someone recover from an emotional accident, Pit Bulls are making a mark as outstanding therapy dogs.
2. Pit Bulls are used in Search and Rescue work. One example of well known SAR Pit Bulls is Kris Crawford and her dogs. Kris and her dogs have helped save the lives of many people during their efforts. http://www.ForPitsSake.org
3. Pit Bulls serve as narcotic and bomb sniffing dogs. One Pit Bull, Popsicle (named that because he was found in an old freezer) has the largest recorded single drug find in Texas history. Read more about Popsicle here. http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/articles/popsicle.html
Including how he found over 3,000 lbs of cocaine in Hildago, Texas.
4. Pit Bulls are great with kids. They weren't referred to as the "nanny's dog" for nothing that's for sure.
5. Pit Bulls are not human aggressive. The American Pit Bull Terrier as a breed is not human aggressive. In fact, quite the opposite is true of the breed. They are gentle and loving dogs. Like any dog individuals can be unsound and have behavior problems.
6. The Pit Bull was so popular in the early 1900's they were our mascot not only in World War One, but World War Two as well. They were featured on recruiting and propoganda posters during this time period.
7. Sgt. Stubby. A Pit Bull war hero. Stubby was wounded in action twice, he saved his entire platoon by warning them of a poison gas attack and he single handedly captured a German spy.
8. Pete the Pup on the orginal Little Rascals was a Pit Bull.
9. Pit Bulls score an 83.4% passing rate with the American Temperament Test Society. That's better than the popular Border Collie (a breed who scores 79.6%). View the ATTS stats here. http://www.atts.org/stats1.html
10. They are dogs not killing machines.
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| yankee-in-france
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Thu Jan 18, 2007 3:04 pm |
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SS and Dithers,
I agree with you and further suggest that we should outlaw the owners of the dogs for training these dogs to kill or attack.
My son has had a Rottweiler for eleven years. They brought Max home as a puppy two months before my granddaughter was born. He has lived with three children. They have never had any problems with Max. They had him trained and when the trainer suggested more aggressive guard training, my son and daughter-in-law said no way. As a result, Max looks and sounds fierce, but he is the consummate lap dog.
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| Ber
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Thu Jan 18, 2007 3:45 pm |
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My neighbor has 2 rotweillers and they know me, so they let me in the house, even if my neighbors are out of town.
The point we need to remember is this...they are ANIMALS. Instictive. Once they've tasted the blood, they want it. That's why I think they put the pit bulls down if they kill someone.
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| Fu-Gee-La
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Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:23 pm |
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I am happy to see the replies on this thread (so far).  I am not sure what angers me more- when a bunch of hysterical soccer mom wanna be's yell and scream about how pit bulls are the spawn of satan and ever last one of them put to death (ironic, isn't it???) OR that the media focuses only on the pit bull attacks. There are more hostile breeds of dogs than the pit bull.
Bottom line- it is the people, not the animal.
And I am sorry- the animal was stuck in the fence, and gawd knows what was happening to the dog. I am sorry, but the mother here is the one that lacks not only common sense, but knowledge about animals in general.
Don't kill me.
edited to add-
Thanks Savannah!  I adore pitties too. They are just the sweetest dogs. It is the people that turn them sour, and in this case, I believe the mother is at fault- not the dog.
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| SavannahStar
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Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:30 pm |
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| Ber wrote: |
The point we need to remember is this...they are ANIMALS. Instictive. Once they've tasted the blood, they want it. |
Sorry, Ber. MYTH.
The taste of blood has nothing to do with a dog's behavior. Imagine you're a person that doesn't know anything about dogs, so you fail to notice that your dog is displaying subtle warning signs of impending aggression. One day, the dog has finally had enough, and bites you. The bite successfully gets you to back off. Next time the dog feels threatened, he bites again. It worked the first time, after all. Subsequent bites have nothing to do with the "taste of blood". In reality, the dog is simply employing a proven successful strategy for dealing with things that are scary or threatening.
http://www.happypitbull.com/myths.htm#9
Here are pitbull myths and explanations in their entirety from the site:
FACTS
Pit bulls do NOT have locking jaws. No dog of any breed has ever been found to possess a mechanism in their jaw which would allow them to "lock" their top and bottom jaw together. There is no such thing as a locking jaw!
Pit bulls WILL let go after they have bitten down. Dogs bite for many reasons. The enormous majority of dog bites (from any breed) are nothing more than a nip or snap - a warning. Some dogs clamp down hard on prey objects - hence the popularity of tug toys, stuffed animals, and rope toys. Similarly, pit bulls were once bred and taught to cling to a bull's nose despite thrashing, tossing, and gouging. They love to hold on to things! But they are also extremely obedient. A properly raised pit bull will yield to his owner's command.
Pit bulls are NOT genetically bred to kill people! From the very beginning, pit bulls have been bred to be as human-friendly as possible. It would not make any sense for bull baiters or dog fighters to own a human-aggressive dog! Even these inhumane individuals have to handle their dogs, often in the heat of a fight. Responsible dog breeders understand that dogs are for companionship and love, not for illicit activities like dogfighting and attacking people! Responsible pit bulldog breeders understand the wonderful qualities that pit bulls have. They are interested in breeding quality dogs with excellent temperaments.
Pit bulls are good for plenty of things besides dogfighting. Pit bulls have excelled in many working-dog sports such as agility, search-and-rescue, tracking, weight pulling, carting, Shutzhund, hunting, obedience, therapy, and more! They also very loving, loyal, gentle, and attentive, making them ideal pet dogs.
Pit bulls are NOT always aggressive. It is the OWNER that ultimately decides how his or her dog will act in certain situations. Pit bulls are naturally very friendly towards strangers, but they will become aggressive if their owner teaches them or forces them to be that way.
Pit bulls CAN be trained and controlled. The pit bulldog is a highly trainable breed. They are intelligent, obedient dogs. They love to please their owner. They are very pack-oriented and do very well under strong, fair leadership. When properly trained and socialized from a young age, the pet pit bull will accept their owner's control without challenge or question.
Pit bulls are just as predictable as any other dog. Most people who say that a dog is "unpredictable" simply don't understand dogs. They believe the stories of people who were "just petting the dog, and suddenly it went crazy and bit me!" In the overwhelming majority of these cases, the victim simply doesn't understand or has missed canine warning signs. For more information on dog behavior and aggression, I recommend "The Culture Clash" by Jean Donaldson.
Truly "unpredictable" dogs are very rare. Some of these dogs have a mental disorder or disease that causes their unpredictable behavior.
Pit bulls can feel pain. They are not superdogs. They are just like any other dog.
The taste of blood has nothing to do with a dog's behavior. Imagine you're a person that doesn't know anything about dogs, so you fail to notice that your dog is displaying subtle warning signs of impending aggression. One day, the dog has finally had enough, and bites you. The bite successfully gets you to back off. Next time the dog feels threatened, he bites again. It worked the first time, after all. Subsequent bites have nothing to do with the "taste of blood". In reality, the dog is simply employing a proven successful strategy for dealing with things that are scary or threatening.
There is no accurate way to determine the pressure of a dog's bite. Although there have been studies to attempt to answer this question, the PSI (pounds per square inch) tends to vary greatly depending on who you talk to. In many cases the number seems to have been completely made up, or pulled from a source (i.e. newspaper) that has invented some ridiculously high number. I have heard: 1000 PSI, 1800 PSI, 2000 PSI, and "10 times the strength of Rottweiler jaws". None of this is based in reality.
In real life a dog's bite strength is determined by a wide variety of factors. While these include the dog's size and individual jaw strength, the severity of a bite is primarily determined by the dog's intent (i.e. aggression, fear, warning snap, playful nip), the victim's behavior (twisting or yanking the body part being bitten can increase the damage), the dog's training, and so on. Scientific experiments indicate that trained bite dogs (including pits) can bite at a little over 300 PSI maximum.
Interestingly, recent attempts to measure a dog's jaw strength have indicated that pit bulls have much lower bite pressure than some other breeds, putting lie to the idea that pit bulls have more bite power than any other breed. For more details, check out http://www.understand-a-bull.com/PitbullInformation/Urbanlegends.htm
There are NO "rare" pit bull coat or nose colors. Historically, pit bulls have been bred for performance and temperament, not appearance. This means that pit bulls come in all different colors, shapes, and sizes. "Blue" coats (which are really just diluted black or grey coats) are in fact a fad color right now, and greedy breeders are churning out "blue" dogs to make money off the fad, without concern for temperament or health. Similarly, "red nosed" pit bulls are very common. White pit bulls are often deaf. For more details about "rare" pit bulls, visit: http://www.realpitbull.com/myths.html (bottom of page)
Potential pit bull owners who are looking to obtain a pit bull would be wise to steer clear of breeders who are breeding specifically for certain colors. Such breeders are in it for the money and could care less about the health or temperament of their dogs. Heck, why not adopt a pit bull rather than support backyard breeders and puppy mills? You can find purebred pit bulls of all colors waiting desperately for a home in shelters and rescue groups across the country.
No scientific studies have determined the actual pit bull population in the U.S. Random percentages seem to come out of thin air and are frequently bounced around in media reports without any legitimate source to back up such an assertion. I have heard population estimates ranging from 1% to 8% or more. Still more problematic is the disagreement as to what a "pit bull" really is - and whether "pit mixes" should be included. Pit bulls are undeniably a very popular and prolific breed-type. Some places, such as Oakland, CA, report that more "pit bulls" are registered with the city than any other breed. A few studies estimate that U.S. shelter "pit bull" populations reach 33% on average, and up to 50% or more in larger cities. The prevalence of pit bulls in shelters indicates not only an overpopulation problem, but also that a significant number of pit bulls are owned by irresponsible owners and breeders when compared to other breeds and breed-types. Unfortunately, however, without a very thorough and careful demographic study of "pit bulls" and their owners - something which has yet to be accomplished on a nationwide scale and may very well prove impossible - any pit bull population estimate is little more than a vague guessing game.
~LOVE MY PIT!
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| SavannahStar
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Thu Jan 18, 2007 5:35 pm |
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| Fu-Gee-La wrote: | I am happy to see the replies on this thread (so far). I am not sure what angers me more- when a bunch of hysterical soccer mom wanna be's yell and scream about how pit bulls are the spawn of satan and ever last one of them put to death (ironic, isn't it???) OR that the media focuses only on the pit bull attacks. There are more hostile breeds of dogs than the pit bull.
Bottom line- it is the people, not the animal.
And I am sorry- the animal was stuck in the fence, and gawd knows what was happening to the dog. I am sorry, but the mother here is the one that lacks not only common sense, but knowledge about animals in general.
Don't kill me.
edited to add-
Thanks Savannah! I adore pitties too. They are just the sweetest dogs. It is the people that turn them sour, and in this case, I believe the mother is at fault- not the dog. |
Thanks Fu. 
This is a "cause" very near and dear to my heart. Up until the day my girl Sasha came into my life, I thought pit bulls were horrible, vicious dogs......I listened to and fell for all the bad rap. Now I know better, and try to do my best, a little here and a little there, to educate people about the breed. I would never have another kind of dog now, ever. They are SO awesome!
(VC, you can move this to the animal thread if you think that's best....I'm on a roll now.  )
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| joynow
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Mon Jan 22, 2007 1:47 am |
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That's a horribly sad situation for everyone involved. If it were my dog, I'd most likely want to put the dog down. Not for any sort of "punishment" but out of safety concerns for other children. Personally, I would never be able to trust the dog again.
With my animals I usually see them react to stressful situations in the same way over and over. So it would concern me that this dog was predisposed to react aggressively.
I have a cat who is a biter when frightened. She is well known at a couple of different vet offices. She's not only defensive, but very aggressive. One veterinarian was kind enough to call her "feisty". But the last time I took her in the other veterinarian examined her without removing her from the carrier. At that vet's office they have a zippered bag they usually put her in to restrain and examine her.
Anyway, that is a tragic situation, but I would take no chances of anyone coming to harm again with a pet who had attacked violently enough to kill a person. My opinion may be different depending on the situation if it is a wild animal who was not going to be living dependantly among humans as a pet.
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