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K_Meine
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Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:50 pm |
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A must read Edit: RU cited as a site to go to in it
I read this awhile back, but I think it's been appended since. I know most people have their respective "sides", but information and an open mind can be a good thing:
http://member.telpacific.com.au/rolyroper/NataleeHolloway/index.htm
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| Siddalee
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Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:39 pm |
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Yes, VERY interesting. He seems to be very insightful and not easily swayed by gossipmongers.
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| iwabwu
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Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:23 pm |
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Interesting site. Many young people drink and party. I imagine that most get up to go to work or school in the morning.
Why was Natalee different? Why hasn't she been seen by someone other than J2K since leaving C&C with J2K?
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| apodixis
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Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:42 pm |
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From page 8 of the website featured in this thread : “Comparing the frequency of beach accidents to rape, the odds favor accident, misadventure, over crime”
How do you rate the respective probabilities of accidental drowning, runaway or foul play ?
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| Siddalee
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Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:49 pm |
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| iwabwu wrote: | Interesting site. Many young people drink and party. I imagine that most get up to go to work or school in the morning.
Why was Natalee different? Why hasn't she been seen by someone other than J2K since leaving C&C with J2K? |
You have missed the main point of the article - it was not that Natalee was any different than any other kid, but how the family, discussion boards and blogs have handled the case.
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| iwabwu
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Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:49 pm |
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| apodixis wrote: | From page 8 of the website featured in this thread : “Comparing the frequency of beach accidents to rape, the odds favor accident, misadventure, over crime”
How do you rate the respective probabilities of accidental drowning, runaway or foul play ? |
Do you see a reference link or source for the 'odds' - I did not see one.
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| apodixis
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Thu Feb 08, 2007 7:05 pm |
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What do other posters think of the two scenarios the author presents on page 9 of the website ?
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| iwabwu
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Thu Feb 08, 2007 7:09 pm |
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Does this guy have any other web sites? Cases solved?
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| apodixis
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Thu Feb 08, 2007 7:15 pm |
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The author is an aussie, familiar with the beaches and ocean there and with the disappearance there of Australian Prime minister Harold Holt.
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| Hannie
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Thu Feb 08, 2007 7:16 pm |
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| apodixis wrote: | | What do other posters think of the two scenarios the author presents on page 9 of the website ? |
I like the first one, but not all of it. That sounds the most plausible for me, besides some exeptions as to how he got home ( walking) I don`t believe that. And some other things..
But l I like this site, i just read there already a couple of times....This guy did put out a lot of work on the case!
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| frazerclan
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Thu Feb 08, 2007 9:39 pm |
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The world underwater record has been broken - Harold Holt just crawled up a beach in Peru!
Old Aussie joke. We all know he was really a Chinese spy wisked away by a Chinese submarine.
For Wabbi: How do I know it was Harold Holt and can anyone prove he held his breath for 42 years? What was the number of the submarine and is he responsible for the development of Chinese technology? IMO, IMHO, IMHFO, IMFHFO, IFMFHFO!
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| tulsad
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| frazerclan wrote: | The world underwater record has been broken - Harold Holt just crawled up a beach in Peru!
Old Aussie joke. We all know he was really a Chinese spy wisked away by a Chinese submarine.
For Wabbi: How do I know it was Harold Holt and can anyone prove he held his breath for 42 years? What was the number of the submarine and is he responsible for the development of Chinese technology? IMO, IMHO, IMHFO, IMFHFO, IFMFHFO! |
Help!! FC's been Wabbi-ized!! 
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| K_Meine
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Fri Feb 09, 2007 9:50 am |
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I just don't understand how a person can simply disappear like that with out foulplay being involved. If she were in the water, I would have thought they would have found her but you never know. I've had my suspicions of the boys all along, but even an accomplished criminal(s) would need more time than was shown to create the perfect crime scene that doesn't exist. It just doesn't seem feasible.
If NH was as drunk as speculated, she certainly wouldn't be able to hide herself and not be found. My guess is her remains are still somewhere on or in the island. Underground cavern, manhole, septic tank, etc.
Question: Was anyone searching for her between the morning she was reported missing and when the Twits arrived and what were the boys doing during that time? Joran was at schoool, yes?
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| apodixis
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Fri Feb 09, 2007 2:29 pm |
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Thanks for posting the link to the website, K_Meine. Together with the Vanity Fair article and Scrux information website these are the best materials on the NH case that I have seen.
This how the author presents his background at the beginning of the website : “….. an electronics technician, twice divorced with a 23 year-old son, who has spent a lifetime solving the mysteries of industrial accidents and even the occasional sabotage.”
He also says there “If you have a correction or addition of fact try posting to Hyscience or Scrux [now read-only], Refugees Unleashed or address the issues in a page of your own “
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| iwabwu
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Fri Feb 09, 2007 6:44 pm |
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Here is a nice timeline with all kind of information and sources.
http://members.aol.com/worldJOURNIER/NATALEE/NATALEEtimeline.html
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| MF
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Fri Feb 09, 2007 6:53 pm |
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Unfortunately filled with a lot of misfacts and lies or misconceptions.... I think you should start putting a warning about those facts, everytime you post the link.
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| apodixis
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Fri Feb 09, 2007 7:19 pm |
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Excerpts from the website which is the topic of this thread : http://member.telpacific.com.au/rolyroper/NataleeHolloway/index.htm
This is an except from page 9 of the website on a scenario:
“She sits alone on the beach, still a bit drunk, a bit sun-struck after her day in the sun, her holiday in paradise coming to a close. She's had a great time and even a bit of ship-board romance thrown in at the end. She still has her long blond hair tied back and as she sits there the warm steady breeze blows in her face. It's a warm tropical night so swimming in a light skirt and top is reasonable and modest, particularly after a night of sweaty dancing in a smoky club. And after Joran's stimulations getting her all muzzed up and hot and bothered she has a small “feminine hygiene” problem she doesn't really want to share with her roommates who she knows will still be up and partying on back at the hotel. She stands up and steps out of her footwear, walks down the beach to the water and wades in to its inviting warmth. She lolls about in the water for a while, just floating. She rolls over to look at the lights along the shore and it takes a few moments for her tired and intoxicated brain to take in the fact that they seem to be more distant now. She tries to stand up and realizes that she can't touch the bottom any more, and in sudden growing panic starts swimming back toward the beach, towards the lights and safety, against the rip. At some unknowable point her struggle is lost, and eventually driven by combined forces of the outgoing rip and the wind she enters the main north-flowing current off the beach and drifts north. By dawn she is off the California lighthouse and joins the faster-flowing current that flows around the north side of Aruba. By the time she is first missed by her school friends at the Holiday Inn her body is descending to the sea floor several miles west of the California lighthouse. “
The author describes the physical conditions there in these excerpts from
page 8:
“…..The tide was falling on what is obviously a shelf-beach which would result in a general out-going current. Additionally, where she was allegedly left has a slight point and so happens to be right where one would expect an out-going “rip” from the beach, albeit a small one…... In the aerial photo above a clear rip channel can be seen extending from the Fisherman's Huts area to the west-north-west…… Beyond the beach, about 1000 to 1500 meters out, there is a steady 2 to 5 knot current that flows away from the island west toward Panama. Some people have written as though this distance is written in stone, but the steady passing current will create large current eddy's on the downstream, or Palm Beach, side of the island……. This process of downstream vortex-shedding may bring entrainment currents to within a hundred meters of the beach. “
ANY AFFIRMATIONS OR NEGATIONS FROM OTHER POSTERS ON THIS THEORY OF THE DISAPPEARANCE ?
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| sandraK
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:45 am |
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| MF wrote: |
Unfortunately filled with a lot of misfacts and lies or misconceptions.... I think you should start putting a warning about those facts, everytime you post the link. |
that site??
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| iwabwu
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 3:49 pm |
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| MF wrote: |
Unfortunately filled with a lot of misfacts and lies or misconceptions.... I think you should start putting a warning about those facts, everytime you post the link. |
Did the suspects tell the truth? How many times did they tell the truth? Was the 'truth' the same every time they told it?
I think people need to consider all the information, the source, and draw their own conclusions. JMHO
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| rosalia2006
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 3:58 pm |
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| iwabwu wrote: | | MF wrote: |
Unfortunately filled with a lot of misfacts and lies or misconceptions.... I think you should start putting a warning about those facts, everytime you post the link. |
Did the suspects tell the truth? How many times did they tell the truth? Was the 'truth' the same every time they told it?
I think people need to consider all the information, the source, and draw their own conclusions. JMHO |
 Iwabbu, aka Grace, is that YOU!
Hmm I thought so!
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| iwabwu
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:46 pm |
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| rosalia2006 wrote: | | iwabwu wrote: |
Did the suspects tell the truth? How many times did they tell the truth? Was the 'truth' the same every time they told it?
I think people need to consider all the information, the source, and draw their own conclusions. JMHO |
Iwabbu, aka Grace, is that YOU!
Hmm I thought so! |
Another link - "Truth 4 Natalee"
http://truth4natalee.s3.bizhat.com/truth4natalee.html
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| tulsad
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 5:02 pm |
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| iwabwu wrote: | | MF wrote: |
Unfortunately filled with a lot of misfacts and lies or misconceptions.... I think you should start putting a warning about those facts, everytime you post the link. |
Did the suspects tell the truth? How many times did they tell the truth? Was the 'truth' the same every time they told it?
I think people need to consider all the information, the source, and draw their own conclusions. JMHO |
Is your needle broken? You appear to be repeating yourself ad nauseam.
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| tulsad
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 5:04 pm |
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| rosalia2006 wrote: | Iwabbu, aka Grace, is that YOU!
Hmm I thought so! |
Who is Grace? Is that Wabbi's nic on the bus?
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| ~kaRN
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 5:43 pm |
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| iwabwu wrote: | | MF wrote: |
Unfortunately filled with a lot of misfacts and lies or misconceptions.... I think you should start putting a warning about those facts, everytime you post the link. |
Did the suspects tell the truth? How many times did they tell the truth? Was the 'truth' the same every time they told it?
I think people need to consider all the information, the source, and draw their own conclusions. JMHO |
We did wabbi which is why we question the soource here. Great new avatar by the way!! 
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| apodixis
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Sat Feb 10, 2007 6:26 pm |
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About the website which is the topic of this thread : http://member.telpacific.com.au/rolyroper/NataleeHolloway/index.htm
Pages 11 and 11a of the website rate links into five categories: Pro-Holloway, Natalee “hater”, Rational-neutral, Crackpot, and Flying Turd Awards.
Refugees Unleashed is ranked as Rational-neutral and characterized as “A wide range of viewpoints represented”. And “characterised by HMI supporters as a Natalee-hater site for its diversity of views and tolerance of posters with HMI views”.
Nice compliment, Eh ?
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