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wildroses
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| woebedamned wrote: |
Just going by what was reported from court today. One of the reasons CPS listed for removal was the fact that the kids were home schooled. Polygamy was also a listed as a reason. The list of reasons will keep growing. |
Until what age is a minor in Texas required by law to attend school?
My understanding, according to somethng posted here, was none of the children were schooled into high school. Now, if that is the case, one would assume umpteen generations were not either.
That may be the problem associated with the home schooling - they aren't taught/schooled until the legally required age.
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| Myra Manes
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| woebedamned wrote: |
Then why doesnt CPS just say that..instead of adding all the other crap? Maybe because they are afraid they cant prove the abuse, so they are looking fgor ANY way to keep the kids. |
Because there are a lot of aspects to FLDS that are considered illegal...There are many reasons to yank their kids........the sexual abuse just happens to be at the top of the list....
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| wildroses
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Mon May 19, 2008 7:10 pm |
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| Myra Manes wrote: |
Because there are a lot of aspects to FLDS that are considered illegal...There are many reasons to yank their kids........the sexual abuse just happens to be at the top of the list.... |
All the parents who have children removed are not abusing them. There are many reasons for removing children, but abuse is the one most heard about.
Parents can lose their children -
if they are doing drugs;
if they neglect a child/ren (in any way, shape or form);
if one parent is living with a convicted felon not the child/ren's parent;
if they subject their child to any form of abuse at the hands of another.
There are more, but this is off the top of my head.
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| woebedamned
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Mon May 19, 2008 7:11 pm |
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| Myra Manes wrote: |
Because there are a lot of aspects to FLDS that are considered illegal...There are many reasons to yank their kids........the sexual abuse just happens to be at the top of the list.... |
I am waiting to see the list of laws broken. Sexual abuse, physical abuse I can agree...but all this other stuff the state is just looking for reasons as far as I am concerned. that is how they operate. If they cant get you for one thing...they will keep looking till you jaywalk..then bust you for that.
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| Topsider
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Mon May 19, 2008 7:14 pm |
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| woebedamned wrote: |
Then why doesnt CPS just say that..instead of adding all the other crap? Maybe because they are afraid they cant prove the abuse, so they are looking fgor ANY way to keep the kids. |
That's ridiculous since when have you ever seen a government employee wanting more work and responsibility
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| prolific
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Mon May 19, 2008 7:15 pm |
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| woebedamned wrote: |
I am waiting to see the list of laws broken. Sexual abuse, physical abuse I can agree...but all this other stuff the state is just looking for reasons as far as I am concerned. that is how they operate. If they cant get you for one thing...they will keep looking till you jaywalk..then bust you for that. |
You keep saying things like that, can you give examples other than this case of the children removed from the sect?
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| woebedamned
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Mon May 19, 2008 7:18 pm |
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| wildroses wrote: |
Until what age is a minor in Texas required by law to attend school?
My understanding, according to somethng posted here, was none of the children were schooled into high school. Now, if that is the case, one would assume umpteen generations were not either.
That may be the problem associated with the home schooling - they aren't taught/schooled until the legally required age. |
The Texas Education Code requires that public schools meet 180 days per year; public school students must attend 170 days/year. This applies to public schools only. Home schools in Texas are private schools, and the state of Texas does not regulate the number of days per year that private schools must be in session or the number of days a student must attend.
Home schools in Texas are private schools and are not regulated by the state. No minimum hours are required. You will probably find that your student can accomplish more work in a shorter period of time than a public school child if for no other reason than because of not having to stand in line, wait for roll call, and the like.
A child who is age six as of September 1 of the current school year and who has not yet reached his 18th birthday must attend school through the year in which he turns 18 unless he has graduated. There is no minimum age requirement for graduation
Home schools in Texas are private schools and not regulated by the state; therefore home schools, just as with other private schools, set their own graduation standards. There is no minimum age requirement for graduation
Home schools in Texas are private schools and are not regulated by the state. Private schools do not have to register their students with the local school district
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| woebedamned
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Mon May 19, 2008 7:18 pm |
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| prolific wrote: |
You keep saying things like that, can you give examples other than this case of the children removed from the sect? |
Yes, I can..but you said you didnt want to hear them.
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| wildroses
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Mon May 19, 2008 7:23 pm |
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| woebedamned wrote: |
The Texas Education Code requires that public schools meet 180 days per year; public school students must attend 170 days/year. This applies to public schools only. Home schools in Texas are private schools, and the state of Texas does not regulate the number of days per year that private schools must be in session or the number of days a student must attend.
Home schools in Texas are private schools and are not regulated by the state. No minimum hours are required. You will probably find that your student can accomplish more work in a shorter period of time than a public school child if for no other reason than because of not having to stand in line, wait for roll call, and the like.
A child who is age six as of September 1 of the current school year and who has not yet reached his 18th birthday must attend school through the year in which he turns 18 unless he has graduated. There is no minimum age requirement for graduation
Home schools in Texas are private schools and not regulated by the state; therefore home schools, just as with other private schools, set their own graduation standards. There is no minimum age requirement for graduation
Home schools in Texas are private schools and are not regulated by the state. Private schools do not have to register their students with the local school district |
They way I read this is a child must attend school until the age of 18 UNLESS s/he graduates before their 18th birthday.
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| woebedamned
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Mon May 19, 2008 7:34 pm |
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| wildroses wrote: |
They way I read this is a child must attend school until the age of 18 UNLESS s/he graduates before their 18th birthday. |
The way I read is a child can graduate at any age...meaning 13..14.
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| woebedamned
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Mon May 19, 2008 7:43 pm |
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| wildroses wrote: |
They way I read this is a child must attend school until the age of 18 UNLESS s/he graduates before their 18th birthday. |
If that were the law, Texas would have zero high school drop outs. That is not the case. Many drop out long before they hit 18.
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| Myra Manes
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Mon May 19, 2008 8:02 pm |
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| woebedamned wrote: |
I am waiting to see the list of laws broken. Sexual abuse, physical abuse I can agree...but all this other stuff the state is just looking for reasons as far as I am concerned. that is how they operate. If they cant get you for one thing...they will keep looking till you jaywalk..then bust you for that. |
Woe, I believe the sexual abuse is the list, quite honestly. What all other stuff are you talking about? Even if polygamy were legal.......sex with minors is not.......
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| Myra Manes
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Mon May 19, 2008 8:04 pm |
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| wildroses wrote: |
They way I read this is a child must attend school until the age of 18 UNLESS s/he graduates before their 18th birthday. |
It's the number of credits that determine graduation not age.......
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| woebedamned
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Mon May 19, 2008 8:25 pm |
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Woe, I believe the sexual abuse is the list, quite honestly. What all other stuff are you talking about? Even if polygamy were legal.......sex with minors is not....... |
1) It shouldnt matter if these parents have a 9th grade education or a college degree...No where in any of our laws does it state a parent has to complete a certain amount of education. Heck, 3 of every 10 American teens has a child before they finish high school. Why the different standard for this group?
2) Sex with minors should be dealt with...dont think i have ever said differently. problem I have is....its not just that the state is now declaring as a problem. Its the idea of this group home schooling...its the idea of this group not having high school diploma's.
Keep the focus on abuse, and I would gladly sit by and say nothing once they prove who was abused and who did the abusing. But every day it seems the state adds another trumped up reason as to why these children should not be returned. Honestly, I dont think they can prove the abuse, so they are fishing for anything they can to hold on to the children. If they had solid abuse evidence on each and every child...the least of their concerns would be the idea of the kids being home schooled. The fact that the state has now decided this is an issue tells me there are children who cannot be considered in any danger of being sexually abused, so the state needs another reason to hang on to them.
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| gwen
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Mon May 19, 2008 8:52 pm |
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CPS spokeswoman Shari Pulliam said the plans look similar now but will be customized as officials get more information.
"It's logical they all look the same. All the children were removed from the same address at the same time for the same reason," she said. But "it's an evolving plan."
All the plans call for parenting classes, vocational training for the parents and require the parents to prove they can support their children. They also call for safe living environments, though they offer no specifics. The parents will be required to outline their plans for earning a living and to describe for the state their living arrangements.
The plan does not require parents to renounce polygamy or guarantee that their daughters won't be married before the age of consent, which in Texas is 17.
A CPS supervisor said the parenting classes will be tailored to explain Texas laws regarding underage sex.
"The goal isn't to change any of their religious beliefs per se but just to educate them what might be a problem under Texas law," supervisor Karrie Emerson said.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,356548,00.html
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| woebedamned
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Mon May 19, 2008 8:53 pm |
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| gwen wrote: | CPS spokeswoman Shari Pulliam said the plans look similar now but will be customized as officials get more information.
"It's logical they all look the same. All the children were removed from the same address at the same time for the same reason," she said. But "it's an evolving plan."
All the plans call for parenting classes, vocational training for the parents and require the parents to prove they can support their children. They also call for safe living environments, though they offer no specifics. The parents will be required to outline their plans for earning a living and to describe for the state their living arrangements.
The plan does not require parents to renounce polygamy or guarantee that their daughters won't be married before the age of consent, which in Texas is 17.
A CPS supervisor said the parenting classes will be tailored to explain Texas laws regarding underage sex.
"The goal isn't to change any of their religious beliefs per se but just to educate them what might be a problem under Texas law," supervisor Karrie Emerson said.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,356548,00.html |
Yet they took away "the book of Mormon" from each of the kids. Nahhhh they arent trying to influence their religion at all. I should add, even the judge was a bit miffed about that one and has said they better have one VERY good reason for doing so.
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| PerryPeabody
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Mon May 19, 2008 9:22 pm |
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| woebedamned wrote: |
Yet they took away "the book of Mormon" from each of the kids. Nahhhh they arent trying to influence their religion at all. I should add, even the judge was a bit miffed about that one and has said they better have one VERY good reason for doing so. |
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It may have been an error that's getting worked out:
Eldorado, TX FLDS
LIVE FROM THE COURTHOUSE: Coverage of polygamist sect 60-day hearings
gosanangelo.com
STAFF REPORT
Originally published 10:00 a.m., May 19, 2008
Updated 06:46 p.m., May 19, 2008
Courtroom E - Rick Smith
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Another issue raised during the morninglong series of hearings was about the version of the Book of Mormon that has been distributed to children from the YFZ Ranch who are in state custody.
Children are accustomed to a pre-1978 version, but are being given newer editions, Aboussie was told.
"Work it out," Aboussie told lawyers and CPS staff members. "They need to have their religious texts."
http://tinyurl.com/6nsotq
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| woebedamned
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Mon May 19, 2008 9:27 pm |
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Yet they took away "the book of Mormon" from each of the kids. Nahhhh they arent trying to influence their religion at all. I should add, even the judge was a bit miffed about that one and has said they better have one VERY good reason for doing so. |
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It may have been an error that's getting worked out:
Eldorado, TX FLDS
LIVE FROM THE COURTHOUSE: Coverage of polygamist sect 60-day hearings
gosanangelo.com
STAFF REPORT
Originally published 10:00 a.m., May 19, 2008
Updated 06:46 p.m., May 19, 2008
Courtroom E - Rick Smith
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Another issue raised during the morninglong series of hearings was about the version of the Book of Mormon that has been distributed to children from the YFZ Ranch who are in state custody.
Children are accustomed to a pre-1978 version, but are being given newer editions, Aboussie was told.
"Work it out," Aboussie told lawyers and CPS staff members. "They need to have their religious texts."
http://tinyurl.com/6nsotq |
Different reasons from different people, I guess
Caseworker Missy McCarty said such a pronouncement by mothers would not be required, and added she did not know why the book was taken.
Judge Marilyn Aboussie said the state does not intend to interfere with the children's religious texts, and said she wants to know why the book was taken.
"I would like to hear if there was a good reason for that. I can't think of one," she said. "We would need an excellent reason for that."
Outside court, CPS spokesperson Bit Whitaker said many of the FLDS children's copies of the Book of Mormon had photos of Warren Jeffs taped into them. Workers had to remove them, Whitaker said, as Warren Jeffs is a convicted sex offender.
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Seems to me they could have just taken the photo's...but what do I know?
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| Myra Manes
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Mon May 19, 2008 9:41 pm |
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"It's logical they all look the same. All the children were removed from the same address at the same time for the same reason," she said. But "it's an evolving plan."
That is just plain nasty in itself............. 
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