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Myra Manes
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Mon May 19, 2008 10:04 pm |
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Comparison between Eldorado and Short Creek
| woebedamned wrote: | Utah AG draws comparison between Eldorado raid and Short Creek
SALT LAKE CITY (ABC 4 News) - Watching the Texas polygamist custody hearings proceedings very closely are Utah's attorney general and, likely, Utah polygamists too.
Utah's top lawyer, Mark Shurtleff, says the key here is handling each custody case one by one. Shurtleff warns that if Texas simply throws the book at all the FLDS followers and their children, then the mistakes of the past may come back to haunt the Lone Star State.
The A.G. says there is a right way and a wrong way to handle Polygamist custody cases. The right way, he claims, is to carefully judge each child's situation, just like his office did with the Kingstons.
Shurtleff said, "A lot of what happens in Texas today, this week and in the coming months continues to impact what we do here."
Specifically, Shurtleff worries that Texas custody authorities may draw a line in the sand and keep all the kids away from all their parents all the time. Then, he fears, Utah polygamists who want help may become too afraid to ask for it.
"If people who are being abused fear us more than they fear the abuser they'll never come forward and seek help," he said.
In other words, Utah's Attorney General is worried that what happened 55 years ago might happen again. July 26th, 1953. What is now known as the infamous Short Creek Raid.
That's when some 400 polygamists were taken into custody by Arizona authorities. Of the 236 children taken into custody, 158 of them were not allowed to return to their parents for two years. Some never did.
Shurtleff: "For the last seven years we've been hearing it. 'Remember Short Creek. It's going to happen again. Don't trust the government. They're going to come after you.'"
We asked Shurtleff if he would like to be down in Texas watching the custody hearings. He said absolutely.
He also tells us he's been invited to tour the FLDS compound in Texas and admits he would like to see it. |
In other words, Utah's Attorney General is worried that what happened 55 years ago might happen again. July 26th, 1953. What is now known as the infamous Short Creek Raid.
That's when some 400 polygamists were taken into custody by Arizona authorities. Of the 236 children taken into custody, 158 of them were not allowed to return to their parents for two years. Some never did.
Shurtleff: "For the last seven years we've been hearing it. 'Remember Short Creek. It's going to happen again. Don't trust the government. They're going to come after you.'"
 They are still doing the same illegal shit.......Of course LE is after them...... 
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| gwen
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Mon May 19, 2008 10:22 pm |
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Exactly and they are hoping and praying they will get by with it just as they did then. I certainly hope not and that the put an end to this BS...
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| woebedamned
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Mon May 19, 2008 10:26 pm |
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I dont see how this can really be another Short Creek. In that case, the children were returned to the parents. I dont see that happening here.
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| wildroses
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Mon May 19, 2008 10:27 pm |
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"................Specifically, Shurtleff worries that Texas custody authorities may draw a line in the sand and keep all the kids away from all their parents all the time. Then, he fears, Utah polygamists who want help may become too afraid to ask for it.
"If people who are being abused fear us more than they fear the abuser they'll never come forward and seek help," he said.........."
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I wonder how many have come to him for help so far - none?
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| gwen
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Mon May 19, 2008 10:28 pm |
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If this has been handled properly in 1953, then it would not still be happening today at an even worse extreme...
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| woebedamned
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Mon May 19, 2008 10:31 pm |
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| gwen wrote: | | If this has been handled properly in 1953, then it would not still be happening today at an even worse extreme... |
I guess they could have just gone in like they did on the Branch Davidians...we certainly dont have any problems from that group these days.
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| Myra Manes
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Mon May 19, 2008 10:36 pm |
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| gwen wrote: | | If this has been handled properly in 1953, then it would not still be happening today at an even worse extreme... |
Would have helped, that's for sure!
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| Myra Manes
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| woebedamned wrote: |
I guess they could have just gone in like they did on the Branch Davidians...we certainly dont have any problems from that group these days. |
Oh.....I'm just waiting for these cowards to pull the same stunt.......
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| wildroses
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Mon May 19, 2008 10:39 pm |
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It seems the one thing all these cults have in common is a leader who has convinced his puppets he is the right hand of God, and he wants to be treated and adulated as if he were a god.
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| woebedamned
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| Myra Manes wrote: |
Oh.....I'm just waiting for these cowards to pull the same stunt....... |
I think the branch davidian thing worked out pretty well, actually. Solved all kinds of problems and didnt cost a whole lot.
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| gwen
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Mon May 19, 2008 10:42 pm |
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| woebedamned wrote: |
I guess they could have just gone in like they did on the Branch Davidians...we certainly dont have any problems from that group these days. |
Koresh and Jeffs are cut from the same cloth IMO. Look at all the lives these people have ruined - all in the name of their "religion". Sick to me!!!
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| woebedamned
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Mon May 19, 2008 10:46 pm |
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| gwen wrote: |
Koresh and Jeffs are cut from the same cloth IMO. Look at all the lives these people have ruined - all in the name of their "religion". Sick to me!!! |
All religions have extreemist. I dont think that means all religion is a bad thing, it just means there are loons in every denomination. But then, those who choose to follow the loons are loons themselves.
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| gwen
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| woebedamned wrote: |
All religions have extreemist. I dont think that means all religion is a bad thing, it just means there are loons in every denomination. But then, those who choose to follow the loons are loons themselves. |
I certainly did not say that all religion is a bad thing!!! I do think that any religion that abuses children in any way, shape or form is wrong...
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| woebedamned
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| gwen wrote: |
I certainly did not say that all religion is a bad thing!!! I do think that any religion that abuses children in any way, shape or form is wrong... |
I would agree. Sexual abuse is every bit as bad as those churches who teach "spare the rod" type stuff. Abuse is wrong on all levels.
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| Myra Manes
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Mon May 19, 2008 11:07 pm |
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| woebedamned wrote: |
I think the branch davidian thing worked out pretty well, actually. Solved all kinds of problems and didnt cost a whole lot. |
I totally agree.......
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| tulsad
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| wildroses wrote: | "................Specifically, Shurtleff worries that Texas custody authorities may draw a line in the sand and keep all the kids away from all their parents all the time. Then, he fears, Utah polygamists who want help may become too afraid to ask for it.
"If people who are being abused fear us more than they fear the abuser they'll never come forward and seek help," he said.........."
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I wonder how many have come to him for help so far - none? |
Very few FLDS members showed up for the meeting that Shurtleff and Arizona's AG Goddard held a few weeks ago.
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| tulsad
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| woebedamned wrote: |
All religions have extreemist. I dont think that means all religion is a bad thing, it just means there are loons in every denomination. But then, those who choose to follow the loons are loons themselves. |
Warren Jeffs is the leader of the FLDS, he is their "prophet." They all follow him and believe God gives him directives, which he then instructs them in.
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| resigned
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| woebedamned wrote: |
I think the branch davidian thing worked out pretty well, actually. Solved all kinds of problems and didnt cost a whole lot. |
| Quote: | | The raid resulted in the deaths of six Davidians and four ATF agents after a firefight broke out. |
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| woebedamned
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| resigned wrote: | | Last quote does not exists! |
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| woebedamned
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| tulsad wrote: |
Warren Jeffs is the leader of the FLDS, he is their "prophet." They all follow him and believe God gives him directives, which he then instructs them in. |
then they are all loons
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