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wildroses
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Mon May 19, 2008 10:14 pm |
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| woebedamned wrote: | wildroses wrote:
That and the way they teach in public schools.
Math (6th grade in our school district) - 2 weeks spent teaching how to do something in the most convoluted process, then 1 week teaching how it really should be done and telling them to forget what they were taught the previous 2 weeks. Yep, and yet they fail to teach the most basic of concepts
Science - my youngest is doing things I had in high school, but not much time spent on the whys something occurs, just do the lab work, write it down and now we're on to the next thing. Ughhh I can remember projects my kids did in 3rd grade that took months to complete. Science isn't introduced here until 5th grade, and this year they were doing some physics and chemistry.
Language Arts - school is almost out and there have only been 6 spelling tests to date. They teach cursive in 2nd grade, and thats it. No more handwriting is taught after that. Fine motor skills are all but ignored. Hehehehe, I was a mean mother. I made them do the repititions of circles, ovals, and slanted ups and downs for practice.
Social Studies - this teacher actually spends a good deal of time teaching.
There are hours of homework every night. Yesterday her reading class was given a large size paperback, 425 pages, no pictures, small print and it has to be finished and a report turned in by June 4, all on top of all the other homework.
Mine averaged 5 to 6 hours of homework a night after grade 3. OMG - she didn't get that much until this year! |
It just seems like they are under so much pressure nowadays. My older 2 didn't have as much homework.
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| tulsad
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Mon May 19, 2008 10:46 pm |
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| gwen wrote: | Records Reveal Sect's Family Network
Fundamentalist Mormon Church's Documents Show All Women Were Married By Age 24
SAN ANTONIO, May 9, 2008
(AP) Hand-scrawled records taken from a polygamist sect are helping untangle the spider-web network of family relationships at the Yearning For Zion ranch, where some husbands had more than a dozen wives.
The church records offer a peek into an intricate culture in which men related to the sect's prophet, Warren Jeffs, enjoyed favored-husband status in the distribution of wives and all young women were married by 24.
An Associated Press analysis of the records, which authorities seized in a raid last month, show that by the time a girl reached 16, she was more likely to be married than to live as a child in her father's household. The same was not true for boys.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/05/09/national/main4082239.shtml?source=related_story |
Thank you Gwen; this is an excellent summary.
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| gwen
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Mon May 19, 2008 10:48 pm |
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| tulsad wrote: |
Thank you Gwen; this is an excellent summary. |
Y/W.
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| tulsad
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Mon May 19, 2008 10:48 pm |
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| woebedamned wrote: | from todays media reports..
"You can't be in bigamist marriages, and the other thing you can't do is marry off young teenagers to very old men," said Scott McCown, a former Texas district court judge.
"If they are not willing to give that up, the state's position is going to be that the children are never going to go home. That's going to be state's non-negotiable bottom line," McCown said.
The plans for the children, some of which were not filed until hours before the caseworkers were to appear in court, include calls for psychological evaluations of parents and children and parenting classes.
In one service plan, the state lists concerns about education and home schooling as a reason the children were taken. (home schoolers will love hearing this one)
The parents' lawyers said the plans are vague and at the same time call for requirements they consider questionable, such as testing the educational backgrounds of the parents, (I didnt know there was an educational requirement to be a parent.) not just the children. |
In general, FLDS women - those responsible for home schooling the children - have no education beyond the 8th grade. I would assume that the concerns have to do with whether a person with only an 8th grade education is qualified to home school.
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| woebedamned
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Mon May 19, 2008 10:53 pm |
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| tulsad wrote: |
In general, FLDS women - those responsible for home schooling the children - have no education beyond the 8th grade. I would assume that the concerns have to do with whether a person with only an 8th grade education is qualified to home school. |
There are no regulations that say a parent has to have a certain education to home school. Anyone can home school in the state of texas. Home schools are not governed by the same standards or regulations as public schools.
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| gwen
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Mon May 19, 2008 11:13 pm |
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| woebedamned wrote: |
There are no regulations that say a parent has to have a certain education to home school. Anyone can home school in the state of texas. Home schools are not governed by the same standards or regulations as public schools. |
That just does not seem right to me at all.
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| woebedamned
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Mon May 19, 2008 11:16 pm |
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| gwen wrote: |
That just does not seem right to me at all. |
Its the same as private schools. Teachers at private schools dont have to have a teaching degree...they dont have to have a degree at all. there are no regulations to govern private schools.
ETA: I should add, if a private school wishes to get govt funding, then they must meet all govt standards and teach govt authorized studies. Private schools get around this by not accepting any govt monies.
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| Myra Manes
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Mon May 19, 2008 11:20 pm |
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| woebedamned wrote: |
Its the same as private schools. Teachers at private schools dont have to have a teaching degree...they dont have to have a degree at all. there are no regulations to govern private schools.
ETA: I should add, if a private school wishes to get govt funding, then they must meet all govt standards and teach govt authorized studies. Private schools get around this by not accepting any govt monies. |
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| danascully
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Mon May 19, 2008 11:23 pm |
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| woebedamned wrote: |
Its the same as private schools. Teachers at private schools dont have to have a teaching degree...they dont have to have a degree at all. there are no regulations to govern private schools.
ETA: I should add, if a private school wishes to get govt funding, then they must meet all govt standards and teach govt authorized studies. Private schools get around this by not accepting any govt monies. |
...I did not know that.
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| woebedamned
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Mon May 19, 2008 11:29 pm |
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| danascully wrote: |
...I did not know that. |
Home schools in Texas have been determined by the Texas Supreme Court to be private schools. Private schools are not regulated by the state of Texas. There are no requirements such as teacher certification or curriculum approval.
Home schools in Texas are private schools and not regulated by the state; therefore home schools, just as with other private schools, set their own graduation standards. There is no minimum age requirement for graduation
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| SavannahStar
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Tue May 20, 2008 5:27 am |
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| woebedamned wrote: |
Public schools are no better. In our state, the public school cannot hold a child back, even if he fails, unless the parents approve. If the parents say they want him to go to the next grade, the school has to allow it. |
Doesn't that just burn your butt? The dumbing down of America! 
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| SavannahStar
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Tue May 20, 2008 5:31 am |
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| wildroses wrote: |
What's weird here, though - I don't know a soul who has home schooled into high school. They have all sent their kids to the public high cshool. |
One of the young ladies is my church was home schooled through high school. And her mom did a marvelous job. At that time she was dual enrolled, home schooled plus classes at a community college. She has now graduated from that college with honors and is going on to a university. She's a brilliant girl.
I'm not so sure if I home schooled I would then send my kid off to a public high school. As it was, my son went to a private Christian school through middle school and then a public high school. Worst decision I ever made was not to keep him in a private school until graduation. But that's a whole other story.
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| SavannahStar
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Tue May 20, 2008 5:34 am |
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| woebedamned wrote: | from todays media reports..
In one service plan, the state lists concerns about education and home schooling as a reason the children were taken. (home schoolers will love hearing this one)
The parents' lawyers said the plans are vague and at the same time call for requirements they consider questionable, such as testing the educational backgrounds of the parents, (I didnt know there was an educational requirement to be a parent.) not just the children. |
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| SavannahStar
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Tue May 20, 2008 5:34 am |
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| Topsider wrote: |
What's the difference? I spend two minutes reading your post and feel the same way |
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| Topsider
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Tue May 20, 2008 8:56 pm |
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| SavannahStar wrote: |
Doesn't that just burn your butt? The dumbing down of America! |
Yes. I'm tempted to but I won't go there 
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| diandra
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Wed May 21, 2008 1:51 am |
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I will add this to the previously mentioned reasons
why some children in the compound
were perhaps found not to have bio parents
the prophet is the big decider
but he can't be everywhere at once
an inner circle is annointed by him
to make decisions in his name
when he is elsewhere/unavailable
when a man is deemed unworthy/non-compliant
by either the prophet or his minions ...
this man's wives/children are given to another worthy man =
loss of bio dad
when a woman is deemed unworthy/non-compliant ...
she may be banished and/or have her children given to other women
(actually to those women's husbands) =
loss of bio mom
so the children can end up w/o bio parents
depending on how far along they are
in the handing-off process
also:
the FLDS practice original doctrine
and follow the original teachings of Joseph Smith
the mainstream LDS practice good PR doctrine
and they are the branch which broke away
what is commonly promoted is that the FLDS broke away
but that is ass-backwards
there was a separation into two branches
and the branch w/ the larger membership/LDS
had the power to label the smaller branch/FLDS
as an aberration
part of that breaking-away dispute relates to
who should have/could have succeeded Joseph Smith
after he was killed/murdered
part of the dispute relates to the Utah Territory
(outwardly) denying theocracy/polygamy
in order to gain statehood
both branches share certain common doctrines,
among them: plural marriage in the afterlife
someone posted earlier
that the monogamous couples are the younger couples:
the younger males have not yet paid their dues;
also they are not yet among the powerful deciders
exceptions to this can be made for sons/nephews/grandsons
of the older/alpha males
IMO, the FLDS doctrine attracts certain (male) personalities
who wish to satisfy certain appetites now
rather than waiting for satisfaction in the afterlife
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| Schmerty
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Wed May 21, 2008 2:12 am |
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As long as they get DECENT PARENTS, who will protect them as children, give them an education , and allow them to make decent ,wholesome choices as adults over 19-21 why would anyone think they would be deprived!????
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| tulsad
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Wed May 21, 2008 3:34 am |
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| Schmerty wrote: | | As long as they get DECENT PARENTS, who will protect them as children, give them an education , and allow them to make decent ,wholesome choices as adults over 19-21 why would anyone think they would be deprived!???? |
Schmerty - it's such a complex issue; it is very difficult to look at the situation from the standpoint of only the welfare of the children. Freedom of religion, parental rights, separation of church and state - these are only a few of the many points that cloud the picture. The fact remains, all children deserve to be safe; the FLDS doctrine contains elements that are contrary to that very basic right.
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