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tulsad
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Notes From the Courthouse
Dispatch from FLDS hearing: Where are the fathers?
May 19, 2008
Ismael Estrada
360° Producer
Afternoon session in San Angelo, Texas. Judge Thomas Gossett presiding.
Kathleen Steed, mother of 12, possibly 13 (one child is being disputed): Father, LeRoy Steed, is not present, state has not been able to locate him. Hearing focused on only one of their children, an 8-year-old girl.
Paige Hawkins, Texas Dept. of Family and Protective Services, on the stand… She says the state formulated a “family service plan” for the family based on risks that officials felt the child faced when they removed her from the FLDS ranch.
They haven’t had any contact with the father, nor was he included in forming the plan.
The 8-year-child is placed in Waco, Texas. The state is also aware that the mother has children spread out throughout the state and has been having to travel long distances to see them.
Re education: The state has received a home-school curriculum from the mother. Officials say they are being sensitive to the religion, and a book of Mormon has been passed to the children if it is provided by the parent.
Attorneys for the mother also asked if they could provide a book of sermons written in part by FLDS “prophet” Warren Jeffs.
The state says that due to Jeffs’ conviction on chargees that he was an accomplice to rape after arranging a marriage to an underaged girls, requests like this are usually denied, but they’d like to see the book before passing judgment.
The Judge said the goal of this hearing is reunification of the family. He felt the service plan was appropriate, and made 2 observations:
“I am not a big fan of home schooling,” he said. “I understand your concerns with public school, but I am also aware that unlike many other families who have put their kids in home schooling, you are actually schooling your children. ” He said the children should be tested to see where they would best fit in the school system.
He also noted the absence of yet another father: “Mr. LeRoy Steed is not here, he needs to get involved with the process.”
To the mother, the judge continued, “If you work the plan, the kids would be returned to you. However if the father does not work the plan, the kids would go only to you..If you decide to go live with the father and he has not completed the program, your kids can be taken away.”
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| woebedamned
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Tue May 20, 2008 7:59 pm |
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Re: Notes From the Courthouse
| tulsad wrote: | Dispatch from FLDS hearing: Where are the fathers?
May 19, 2008
Ismael Estrada
360° Producer
Afternoon session in San Angelo, Texas. Judge Thomas Gossett presiding.
Kathleen Steed, mother of 12, possibly 13 (one child is being disputed): Father, LeRoy Steed, is not present, state has not been able to locate him. Hearing focused on only one of their children, an 8-year-old girl.
Paige Hawkins, Texas Dept. of Family and Protective Services, on the stand… She says the state formulated a “family service plan” for the family based on risks that officials felt the child faced when they removed her from the FLDS ranch.
They haven’t had any contact with the father, nor was he included in forming the plan.
The 8-year-child is placed in Waco, Texas. The state is also aware that the mother has children spread out throughout the state and has been having to travel long distances to see them.
Re education: The state has received a home-school curriculum from the mother. Officials say they are being sensitive to the religion, and a book of Mormon has been passed to the children if it is provided by the parent.
Attorneys for the mother also asked if they could provide a book of sermons written in part by FLDS “prophet” Warren Jeffs.
The state says that due to Jeffs’ conviction on chargees that he was an accomplice to rape after arranging a marriage to an underaged girls, requests like this are usually denied, but they’d like to see the book before passing judgment.
The Judge said the goal of this hearing is reunification of the family. He felt the service plan was appropriate, and made 2 observations:
“I am not a big fan of home schooling,” he said. “I understand your concerns with public school, but I am also aware that unlike many other families who have put their kids in home schooling, you are actually schooling your children. ” He said the children should be tested to see where they would best fit in the school system.
Wow, no wonder the texas home school association was asking these folks to call them and their attornies. This judge is soooooo prejudiced against home schoolers.
He also noted the absence of yet another father: “Mr. LeRoy Steed is not here, he needs to get involved with the process.”
To the mother, the judge continued, “If you work the plan, the kids would be returned to you. However if the father does not work the plan, the kids would go only to you..If you decide to go live with the father and he has not completed the program, your kids can be taken away.”
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| Myra Manes
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“I am not a big fan of home schooling,” he said. “I understand your
concerns with public school, He said the children should be tested to see
where they would best fit in the school system.
Wow, no wonder the texas home school association was asking these
folks to call them and their attornies. This judge is soooooo prejudiced
against home schoolers.
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Woe, no offence but, the Judge gave a reason for NOT being a fan of
homeschooling.............
 "but I am also aware that unlike many other families who have put their
kids in home schooling, you are actually schooling your children. ”
Most don't actually homeschool, kind of like the kid across the
street from you...
Bottom line, homeschoolers need to follow the same carriculum as other
students ..........No wonder the judge isn't a fan of homeschool, no
guidlines are followed.......The judge is wise, not prejudiced.....
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| Katie
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Wed May 21, 2008 3:23 pm |
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Thanks tulsad, wise judge indeed. I'm not a big fan of home school either 
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| tulsad
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Wed May 21, 2008 3:51 pm |
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| Katie wrote: | | Thanks tulsad, wise judge indeed. I'm not a big fan of home school either |
And you certainly have the Mommy-experience to have given it some thought, Katie. 
I've always felt that because kids have so much homework today, parents have the opportunity to essentially home school simply by sitting down to help with the homework. They have the opportunity to have substantial input into their child's education this way - actually more than a teacher's because of the amount of time spent.
If the reason behind a parent wanting to home school is to keep their child out of public or private schools, that is an entirely different issue.
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Wed May 21, 2008 4:12 pm |
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”The children are all fine, medically…”
May 21, 2008
Dispatch from FLDS hearing: ”The children are all fine, medically…”
Posted: 03:55 PM ET
Editor’s Note: The following is a dispatch from CNN’s Senior producer Tracy Sabo inside the FLDS courtroom hearings
Courtroom B, Case #1
Mother: Louanna Jessop
Father: Leroy J. Jessop (not present)
Note: This mother/father have 7 children.
Angela, age 2
Virginia, age 4
Harmony, age 10
Zane, age 5
Shem, age 1
Leanna, age 7
Miranda, age 8
Highlights
- Caseworker has not had any contact with father, Leroy J. Steed, and has not been able to locate him thru calling the ranch, etc. Will continue trying to reach him thru the attorney name/number (court-appointed?) provided today by the mother (she does not know where he is, per her atty).
- Louanna has done DNA testing. None done on the father, as far as anyone in court is aware.
- Mother has signed the plan and added some comments and a home schooling curriculum as well as a complaint that it lacked specificity.
- When the caseworker was asked by the mother’s attorney, Charles Grimm, “Did you have anything to do with creating this plan?” Martinez answered, “I did not have anything to do with this plan. It was already created.” Martinez went on to say, “It was tailor-made for the FLDS parents.” He clarified by saying it was a fairly standard CPS plan “is very close to what we use all the time… This is a starting point… We will individualize it.”
- There was talk of consolidating the children. Angela and Shem are in Corpus and there is a request to move them move to San Antonio where Virginia is located. 4 of the other children are in Waco. The caseworker said there had been no effort to consolidate them all together before requests were made today.
- ”The children are all fine, medically,” Martinez testified.
- Asked by the mother’s attorney if he had found any evidence of abuse or neglect of the 7 children, he responded, “During visitation, there has been no evidence of that.” Pressed further whether he has seen any medical records indicating abuse or neglect, Martinez responded, “not that I am aware of.” The attorney asked the caseworker, “Does CPS normally take children from families where there is no evidence of abuse or neglect?” Before Martinez could answer, Judge Gossett tersely asking the atty, “Were you at the 14-day hearing?” And then followed up by asking “Are you confused about the findings in the 14-day hearing?” That line of questioning ended there.
- Cross-examination from the adlitem for Angela focused on a referral she asked for that would move Angela to San Antonio.
- Cross-examination from the adlitem for Shem was similar asking the Case Worker to consider his referral to move Shem to be with his older sister Angela.
- Cross-examination from the adlitem for Harmony (via phone) focused on the service plan and how it was drafted. The caseworker told Menduni that the service plan “Was formulated by Supervisors and staff with prior knowledge or information from people all over the country with information about the FLDS population.” He reminded the attorney that it was a starting point. The adlitem asked, “Is it possible that none of this plan may be applicable to this family?” Martinez answered, “Yes, that is a possibility.”
- Adlitem Medici also asked the case worker if he was aware that the mother of alleged father, Leroy Steed, was at Methodist in Waco last week and he could have asked her about her son’s whereabouts then. He said he was not aware of that.
- Court Conference off-the-record took place about the fact that the mother now wants the two kids in Corpus moved to San Antonio.
- Judge’s Comments/Decision: Judge Gossett addressed mother Louanna Jessop, commenting on the fact all the children are currently separated by the State, saying, “It is my strong, strong desire that these children get together and the only reason I have not ordered that is because we’d have chaos more than what we have now.”
- The Judge also said “The Court has no problem with the home schooling that is being suggested.”
- Judge Gossett signed the plan when he asked the mother if she read it, she responded, “I have read through it.” Asked if she understood the plan, she said, “I understand the basics, but I don’t understand how it applied to my kids.”
NOTE: THE JUDGE MENTIONED TO THE COURT THAT THE COURT STAFF HAS “BLOCKED OFF 5 WEEKS IN SEPTEMBER FOR PERMANANCY HEARINGS,” but gave no further details.
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| Myra Manes
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Wed May 21, 2008 11:13 pm |
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| Katie wrote: | | Thanks tulsad, wise judge indeed. I'm not a big fan of home school either |
Me neither but, not for the kids sake, for mine!  Who the hell wants to be home all day teaching their kids? *yawn*
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| Myra Manes
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Seems to me that the sexual abuse doesn't begin until the girls are 12ish.......Therefore, no signs of sexual abuse will be found on the younger girls.......The young girls are still being 'groomed' by their mothers 
 I still don't think any kid should be returned to the FLDS compound, no matter what age they are....
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| woebedamned
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| Myra Manes wrote: | “I am not a big fan of home schooling,” he said. “I understand your
concerns with public school, He said the children should be tested to see
where they would best fit in the school system.
Wow, no wonder the texas home school association was asking these
folks to call them and their attornies. This judge is soooooo prejudiced
against home schoolers.
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Woe, no offence but, the Judge gave a reason for NOT being a fan of
homeschooling.............
"but I am also aware that unlike many other families who have put their
kids in home schooling, you are actually schooling your children. ”
Most don't actually homeschool, kind of like the kid across the
street from you...
Bottom line, homeschoolers need to follow the same carriculum as other
students ..........No wonder the judge isn't a fan of homeschool, no
guidlines are followed.......The judge is wise, not prejudiced..... |
I think parents should have the right to home school, considering the amount of violence in our public schools. The state cannot assure parents their children are safe, so parents should have the option of not sending their kids to state schools.
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| Myra Manes
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In that case, there NEEDS to be a curriculum for everyone to follow....
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| woebedamned
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| Myra Manes wrote: | | In that case, there NEEDS to be a curriculum for everyone to follow.... |
Many follow the same cirriculum as christian school use. Private schools do not have to teach state programs. They dont get state funding so are not obligated to do so.
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| Myra Manes
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| woebedamned wrote: |
Many follow the same cirriculum as christian school use. Private schools do not have to teach state programs. They dont get state funding so are not obligated to do so. |
I don't know what else to say........Sounds like a parent can teach their kids whatever they want in the states?
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| SavannahStar
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| woebedamned wrote: |
Many follow the same cirriculum as christian school use. Private schools do not have to teach state programs. They dont get state funding so are not obligated to do so. |
And some of the Christian school curricula are excellent. My son had A Beka when he was in elementary Christian school. FAR advanced from the public school curricula.
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| SavannahStar wrote: |
And some of the Christian school curricula are excellent. My son had A Beka when he was in elementary Christian school. FAR advanced from the public school curricula. |
Ours used A Beka in k - 2. It was wonderful. They were far above the other students when they entered public schools.
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| wildroses
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| woebedamned wrote: |
Many follow the same cirriculum as christian school use. Private schools do not have to teach state programs. They dont get state funding so are not obligated to do so. |
Woe -
If there are children in the private schools, where you live, who require special programs, are these schools able to use the public school programs and teachers for these children?
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| woebedamned
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| wildroses wrote: |
Woe -
If there are children in the private schools, where you live, who require special programs, are these schools able to use the public school programs and teachers for these children? |
I have no idea, but from speaking with parents who have children with special needs here, our public school does a very poor job of servicing them. Public schools tend to toss aside those with special needs because they bring their "numbers" down.
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| wildroses
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| woebedamned wrote: |
I have no idea, but from speaking with parents who have children with special needs here, our public school does a very poor job of servicing them. Public schools tend to toss aside those with special needs because they bring their "numbers" down. |
Thanks.
Our school district seems to bend over backwards for children with special needs.
I know the private school in town does avail themselves of the use of the programs. I was told by a teacher they have the right, by law, to the services.
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| pax
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| Myra Manes wrote: |
I don't know what else to say........Sounds like a parent can teach their kids whatever they want in the states? |
Many in our country think money grows on trees. I don't know where they learn that.
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| Myra Manes
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| pax wrote: |
Many in our country think money grows on trees. I don't know where they learn that. |
Who knows...........
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