CNN) – One day after the general election officially kicked off, a new CNN "poll of polls" suggests Barack Obama and John McCain are locked in a tight race for the White House.
According to CNN's average of four recent national polls, the-newly minted Democratic presidential nominee holds a narrow 2 point lead over McCain among registered voters, 47 percent to 45 percent. Nearly 10 percent say they are undecided.
The polls included in the sample were conducted between May 21 and June 3, all before Obama officially wrapped up the nomination Tuesday night. The poll of polls included recent surveys from CBS, Gallup, Pew, and Newsweek.
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yankee-in-francePosted:
Thu Jun 05, 2008 11:40 am
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Some of the "against" could be the fact that they just do not see things the same way and the talk about the Clintons wanting to still run the show.
It is ultimately Obama's decision.
It should be Obama's decision and who he would feel comfortable working with. Hillary to her credit is a very take-charge person, but I don't think that she would take well to being vice-president. I think that there would be considerable friction between them, and a President doesn't need that distraction.
My other thought is that perhaps America's interests are served better with a younger, dynamic VP. I read that Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg is on the vetting list. Tell me that with her on the ticket, he wouldn't win. She is a brilliant woman and likewise has considerable influence abroad. Her father and FDR are revered over here. In Perpignan, a city of 120,000, there is a Boulevard John F. Kennedy and a Boulevard Franklin Roosevelt. I don't know that she would accept the candidacy, but, wow, what a ticket.
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SavannahStarPosted:
Thu Jun 05, 2008 11:44 am
yankee-in-france wrote:
It should be Obama's decision and who he would feel comfortable working with. Hillary to her credit is a very take-charge person, but I don't think that she would take well to being vice-president. I think that there would be considerable friction between them, and a President doesn't need that distraction.
My other thought is that perhaps America's interests are served better with a younger, dynamic VP. I read that Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg is on the vetting list. Tell me that with her on the ticket, he wouldn't win. She is a brilliant woman and likewise has considerable influence abroad. Her father and FDR are revered over here. In Perpignan, a city of 120,000, there is a Boulevard John F. Kennedy and a Boulevard Franklin Roosevelt. I don't know that she would accept the candidacy, but, wow, what a ticket.
Yif, Caroline Kennedy is not in the running for VP....she is on the committee to choose the VP. I think I posted that link above.
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Need2KnowPosted:
Thu Jun 05, 2008 12:04 pm
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Yif, Caroline Kennedy is not in the running for VP....she is on the committee to choose the VP. I think I posted that link above.
YIF got a little too excited
It should not just be who he is comfortable with, it should be a strategic move as well, which I am sure it will be.
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SavannahStarPosted:
Thu Jun 05, 2008 12:11 pm
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YIF got a little too excited
I was like
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Need2KnowPosted:
Thu Jun 05, 2008 12:20 pm
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I was like
I don't know why but I keep thinking it will be Obama/Clinton and they will come to terms with their differences. That may not even be what he wants, but for unity, possible victory and outside pressure from his own party, I believe that is what he will do. I could of course be wrong. They even threw out Obama/Gore
Hey, at least Gore won the Pulitzer. I personally like Al Gore and feel he has gotten a bad rap by many.
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Need2KnowPosted:
Thu Jun 05, 2008 12:29 pm
Did you know Gore and actor Tommy Lee Jones were roommates/best friends at Harvard?
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paxPosted:
Thu Jun 05, 2008 12:33 pm
And remain friends, which is cool.
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Al Gore and Tommy Lee Jones were never literally roommates at Harvard, as many accounts through the years have implied, but they were at the center of a group of friends who coalesced as freshmen at Mower and later moved on together to Dunster House. The young men in this group were not aesthetes or intellectuals or clubby types, but mostly took their cues from Jones and Gore--jocks with a creative side. One of the lingering memories of many classmates is of the charismatic Jones, who played guard on the football team, pacing along a path near the Charles, wearing a blue velvet jacket and holding a rose, reciting lines from "Coriolanus" in his hard, crackling Texas voice.
Gore also thought of himself as a nascent artist. He told Tipper Aitcheson, his girlfriend, that he intended to be an author, and his letters to her often included stanzas of poetry. For a freshman writing tutorial, he spent countless hours at his desk, gazing into the somber shroud of a Cambridge winter, typing out installments of what he hoped would be a Faulknerian novel about Carthage, the colorful hometown of his Tennessee summers (an untitled and unfinished tome that appears lost to history). Unlike many of his peers, who seemed eager to reinvent themselves into hipper Sixties figures once they reached Cambridge, Gore chose to retreat into his past and re-create it, using the idiosyncratic characters of the small town in the Upper Cumberland to populate his fiction.
His friendship with Jones encouraged Gore to accentuate his southernness, according to Bart Day, who came up to Harvard from St. Albans with Gore and lived with him at Mower B and Dunster. "There was this funny little dynamic going, as if Tommy Lee was the occasion for Al to assert his roots." At one point Gore took to wearing bib overalls as an expression of Dixie hip. But if Jones, who kept his radio tuned to the only country music station in Boston, was the superior actor, he also tended to take himself more seriously than Al. "He was always acting. He was always on, always on stage," said John Tyson. "So what we would do--Al would instigate this--he would say, 'Let's ignore Tommy Lee!' So Tommy Lee would walk in and no one would lift a head up. Then he would start acting and we would ignore him and say, 'Anybody seen Tommy Lee?' After a while he would start screaming. He just couldn't take it. Then we would bust out laughing."
Gore competed with Jones in the telling of down-home tales, and was regarded by most of their friends as the funnier of the two. Among the publications flowing into the suite, along with Sports Illustrated, Time and Playboy, was the Carthage Courier, the little Tennessee weekly whose masthead shouted an irrefutable boast: "The Only Newspaper in the World that Gives a Whoop For Smith County." Gore also gave a whoop, combing the Courier in search of material for his novel and odd stories to read to his pals.
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paxPosted:
Thu Jun 05, 2008 1:16 pm
That's hilarious n2K.
Here's a funny story. Tommy Lee was in a restaurant eating dinner. A woman came up to him gushing 'I'm such a big fan. I've sent my photo to the production and have been trying to get on your movie as an extra.' Tommy Lee said 'Well sweetie, I jes don't understand why them movie folks wouldn't call someone as beautiful as you.' Tommy got to finish dinner and the woman went away feeling good. Now that's southern charm.
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apodixisPosted:
Thu Jun 05, 2008 1:25 pm
DNC bans lobbyist money;
“The campaign also announced that the DNC will no longer accept donations from lobbyists and political action committees, to comply with Obama’s campaign policy.”
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Need2KnowPosted:
Thu Jun 05, 2008 2:40 pm
Impartial and credible information is what we need so America can make up its collective mind about who is the best candidate for them and may the one with the largest states win
We really need to take a look at going with the popular vote if that is larger than the electoral college vote - makes no sense for a president to win an election if the majority of Americans voted for the other person, just because the bigger states have more reps in Congress.
It is also a good sign that special interest money is being put a stop to, hopefully that will be the start of things to come.
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paxPosted:
Thu Jun 05, 2008 3:09 pm
What does it take to do away with the electoral college? Unfortunately, I don't think there's enough support to abolish it.
Yes, both McCain and Obama seem genuinely against special interest influence.
I like McCain's town hall debate proposal. I hope Obama agrees.
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Need2KnowPosted:
Thu Jun 05, 2008 3:29 pm
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What does it take to do away with the electoral college? Unfortunately, I don't think there's enough support to abolish it.
Yes, both McCain and Obama seem genuinely against special interest influence.
I like McCain's town hall debate proposal. I hope Obama agrees.
I like town hall meetings as well, give the power to the people and let them ask the tough questions and see how the candidates respond without being prepared with already-known possible questions.
I don't think we need to abolish the Electoral vote if that and the popular vote coincide, but if the popular vote is more for the candidate that lost the electoral vote, than common sense should dictate that the presidency should go to the one winning the popular vote.
The winner of the popular vote does not necessarily win the presidency.
Some do not see this as a problem, while others feel it makes the Electoral College fundamentally undemocratic. Principle aside, this clearly represents the most significant and persistent public-relations problem for the College.
When it comes to the presidency, the votes of individuals in each state do not count equally.
The basis of the Electoral College (much like the foundation of the U.S. Senate) is a far cry from "one person, one vote." Many find this difficult to accept and, once again, essentially undemocratic. The Framers, of course, were not concerned with popular votes. They assigned the responsibility of allocating electoral votes to the state legislatures. Under our current system, individuals do not really vote for president.
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SavannahStarPosted:
Thu Jun 05, 2008 3:39 pm
pax wrote:
What does it take to do away with the electoral college? Unfortunately, I don't think there's enough support to abolish it.
Yes, both McCain and Obama seem genuinely against special interest influence.
I like McCain's town hall debate proposal. I hope Obama agrees.
I do too. Obama will blow McCain away. I don't think McCain is a good speaker at all. Obama is a born orator.
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apodixisPosted:
Thu Jun 05, 2008 9:33 pm
Breaking News
Senators Obama and Clinton in secret reconciliation meeting tonight at the D.C. home of moderate San Francisco California Senator Dianne Feinstein.
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"The internet is a great source of good information…but, as you know, it can be painfully cruel. There are lots of lies floating around the internet and it is impossible to correct the lies….lies can be viral."
"There is “something” floating around cyberspace that needs to be addressed - with either a “put up or a shut up. ........”
U.S. stock market drops 3 % today for same reason - Israeli politician's sword rattling.
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paxPosted:
Sat Jun 07, 2008 3:23 pm
Hillary Clinton endorses Barack Obama:
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charlieratPosted:
Sat Jun 07, 2008 4:31 pm
Good! There was a lot of talk among so-called "experts" about how much damage she was doing by staying in the race as long as she did. I didn't begrudge her one bit. She stayed in the race until Obama clinched. You don't concede just because you're behind; you concede after you've been eliminated.
The Democrat's convention isn't until August; that leaves plenty of time to mend all fences and unify the party.
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Tue Jun 10, 2008 1:26 pm
Congressman Kucinich introduces 35 articles of impeachment against Bush
Article I Creating a Secret Propaganda Campaign to Manufacture a False Case for War Against Iraq
Article II Falsely, Systematically, and with Criminal Intent Conflating the Attacks of September 11, 2001, With Misrepresentation of Iraq as a Security Threat as Part of Fraudulent Justification for a War of aggression
Article III Misleading the American People and Members of Congress to Believe Iraq Possessed Weapons of Mass Destruction, to Manufacture a False Case for War
Article IV Misleading the American People and Members of Congress to Believe Iraq Posed an Imminent Threat to the United States
Article V Illegally Misspending Funds to Secretly Begin a War of Aggression
Article VI Invading Iraq in Violation of the Requirements of HJRes114
Article VII Invading Iraq Absent a Declaration of War.
Article VIII Invading Iraq, A Sovereign Nation, in Violation of the UN Charter
Article IX Failing to Provide Troops With Body Armor and Vehicle Armor
Article X Falsifying Accounts of US Troop Deaths and Injuries for Political Purposes
Article XI Establishment of Permanent U.S. Military Bases in Iraq
Article XII Initiating a War Against Iraq for Control of That Nation’s Natural Resources
Article XIIII Creating a Secret Task Force to Develop Energy and Military Policies With Respect to Iraq and Other Countries
Article XIV Misprision of a Felony, Misuse and Exposure of Classified Information And Obstruction of Justice in the Matter of Valerie Plame Wilson, Clandestine Agent of the Central Intelligence Agency
Article XV Providing Immunity from Prosecution for Criminal Contractors in Iraq
Article XVI Reckless Misspending and Waste of U.S. Tax Dollars in Connection With Iraq and US Contractors
Article XVII Illegal Detention: Detaining Indefinitely And Without Charge Persons Both U.S. Citizens and Foreign Captives
Article XVIII Torture: Secretly Authorizing, and Encouraging the Use of Torture Against Captives in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Other Places, as a Matter of Official Policy
Article XIX Rendition: Kidnapping People and Taking Them Against Their Will to “Black Sites” Located in Other Nations, Including Nations Known to Practice Torture
Article XX Imprisoning Children
Article XX IMisleading Congress and the American People About Threats from Iran, and Supporting Terrorist Organizations Within Iran, With the Goal of Overthrowing the Iranian Government
Article XXII Creating Secret Laws
Article XXIII Violation of the Posse Comitatus Act
Article XXIV Spying on American Citizens, Without a Court-Ordered Warrant, in Violation of the Law and the Fourth Amendment
Article XXV Directing Telecommunications Companies to Create an Illegal and Unconstitutional Database of the Private Telephone Numbers and Emails of American Citizens
Article XXVI Announcing the Intent to Violate Laws with Signing Statements
Article XXVII Failing to Comply with Congressional Subpoenas and Instructing Former Employees Not to Comply
Article XXVIII Tampering with Free and Fair Elections, Corruption of the Administration of Justice
Article XXIX Conspiracy to Violate the Voting Rights Act of 1965
Article XXX Misleading Congress and the American People in an Attempt to Destroy Medicare
Article XXXI Katrina: Failure to Plan for the Predicted Disaster of Hurricane Katrina, Failure to Respond to a Civil Emergency
Article XXXII Misleading Congress and the American People, Systematically Undermining Efforts to Address Global Climate Change
Article XXXIII Repeatedly Ignored and Failed to Respond to High Level Intelligence Warnings of Planned Terrorist Attacks in the US, Prior to 911.
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apodixisPosted:
Wed Jun 11, 2008 11:41 am
Obama Campaign sets up internet 'war room' to fight slurs and rebuff false rumours
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"At Snopes.com, the urban legends clearinghouse run by a couple in the San Fernando Valley, Barack Obama’s page has 18 entries, only one of which Snopes determined to be true. Of the rest, Snopes rated 11 false, four partly true and two undetermined. The same pattern holds true at PoliFact.com a project of the St. Petersburg Times and Congressional Quarterly. In its “Chain Emails” section, 21 of the 25 e-mails they've reviewed are marked "Barely True," "False" or "Pants on Fire."
“Last week one such dubious story made the rounds online -- but this time it was the blogosphere that was cultivating it.” ……..A false story about a videotape that purportedly showed Michelle Obama using the word "whitey."
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apodixisPosted:
Thu Jun 12, 2008 12:24 pm
Supreme Court Rebukes Bush on Habeas Corpus in 5-4 Ruling
"...the president of a free nation cannot simply lock people up and throw away the key like some third-world dictator. This is a stinging blow to the administration’s lawless policies and its allies in Congress."
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apodixisPosted:
Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:14 pm
Obama has three strikes against him, even before he gets into the game –The game being the Presidential candidate’s positions on the issues.
Obama’s three strikes:
1. Racial predjudice since he looks black.
2. Ethnocentrism since he has a Muslim/foreign sounding name, at a time when there is a militant Islamic adversary to the U.S.; This is reminiscent of the earlier “Know Nothing” movement driven by the irational fears that the country would be overwhelmed by Irish Catholic immigrants, who were often regarded as hostile to American values and controlled by the Pope.
3. Anti-elitist anti-intellectualist resentment. Obama was a University law instructor for 10 years. From some populist political perspectives intellectuals are distrusted as tricksters whose knowledge and rhetorical skills are feared, because they may be used to hoodwink the ordinary people, the “salt of the earth” regauarded as the source of virtue. The objectivity of intellectuals about foreign cultures and beliefs is also regarded as suspect- possibly dangerously subversive, lacking in patriotism and moral clarity.
While the latest Real Clear Politics average of 5 polls shows Obama leading McCain by 4 % points, a new ABC/Washington Post poll found these results when voters were asked who they trusted more to handle the issues:
Obama was ranked more competent by about 20 % points to handle the economy, Women’s concerns, gasoline prices, environment, taxes, health care, energy policy.
McCain was more competent to handle the war on terrorism by about 15 % points.
The two candidates were ranked about the same on their ability to deal with the war in Iraq and U. S. Supreme court appointments.
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