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Topsider
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Sun Jun 01, 2008 7:24 am |
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Warren Jeffs
If he gives an order. Would the cult group follow it?
For instance. If he told them to drink the kool aid would they?
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| Myra Manes
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Sun Jun 01, 2008 7:58 am |
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Re: Warren Jeffs
| Topsider wrote: | If he gives an order. Would the cult group follow it?
For instance. If he told them to drink the kool aid would they? |
hopefully.........
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| Tonk
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Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:53 pm |
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Re: Warren Jeffs
| Topsider wrote: | If he gives an order. Would the cult group follow it?
For instance. If he told them to drink the kool aid would they? |
Yes.
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| PerryPeabody
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Thu Jun 05, 2008 10:35 am |
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Judge drops four incest charges against polygamous sect leader
The Associated Press
Salt Lake Tribune
06/04/2008
An Arizona judge has dropped four of eight charges against polygamous sect leader Warren Jeffs.
In his ruling filed late today, Mohave County Superior Court Judge Steven Conn dismissed four incest charges against Jeffs at the request of the defense.
The charges stemmed from the arranged marriage of two girls younger than 18 and their older male relatives, one of whom was in his 50s.
Conn ruled that Arizona's incest law only applies if both participants in the sexual activity are older than 18, and that the law does not apply to half cousins.
Jeffs still faces four charges of sexual conduct with a minor in the arranged marriages of the two girls.
Jeffs remains jailed in Kingman.
http://www.sltrib.com/polygamy/ci_9481849
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| Myra Manes
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Thu Jun 05, 2008 10:58 am |
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| PerryPeabody
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Thu Jun 05, 2008 11:09 am |
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The courts reasoning:
4 incest charges against Warren Jeffs dropped
ReligionNewsBlog.com • Item 21585 •
Posted: Thursday June 5, 2008
June 5, 2008
Amanda Lee Myers
www.miamiherald.com
ReligionNewsBlog.com • Item 21585 • Posted: Thursday June 5, 2008
KINGMAN, Ariz. — An Arizona judge dropped four of eight charges against Warren Jeffs, even as authorities in Texas looked into whether the polygamist sect leader had relationships with four girls at the west Texas ranch raided in April.
Mohave County Superior Court Judge Steven Conn dismissed the charges at the request of the defense, finding that a state incest law does not apply to the arranged marriages of two teenage girls and their older male relatives.
Conn ruled the law only applies if both participants in the sexual activity are older than 18, and that the law does not apply to half cousins.
In both of the marriages Jeffs is accused of arranging, the girls were under 18 and were their husbands’ half cousins. He was charged with incest as an accomplice.
Prosecutors said the law could lead to absurd results, such as an uncle having sex with two nieces, one younger and one older than 18, and being subject to harsher punishments for his conduct with the older one.
But the judge said the statute’s language was clear and unambiguous, leaving no room for interpretation.
“We’re obviously very pleased with the court’s ruling,” Jeffs’ attorney, Mike Piccarreta, told The Associated Press. “You can see we’ve chopped these things down considerably.”
In his ruling, Conn wrote that Arizona’s incest law initially was enacted without reference to participants’ ages. In 1985, it was amended to apply only to people who were 15 years or older, and in 1998, it was changed to its present form, applying only to those 18 or older.
Conn also wrote that because the incest law specifically mentions half brothers and sisters, it arguably excludes all other relationships of the half blood by not mentioning them.
Mohave County Attorney Matt Smith, the prosecutor in the Arizona case against Jeffs, did not return a call or e-mail request for comment Wednesday evening.
If convicted of all charges, Jeffs could face anywhere from probation to eight years in prison. Before the incest charges were dropped Wednesday and two others were dropped in March, Jeffs faced up to 27 years in prison.
Jeffs, who was already prosecuted in Utah, is still charged in Arizona as an accomplice with four counts of sexual conduct with a minor stemming from the marriages of the two girls.
Last week, investigators at the Texas attorney general’s office took DNA from Jeffs, saying they were looking for evidence of relationships between him and four girls from the Yearning For Zion Ranch ages 12 to 15.
All 440 children seized from the ranch April 3 were returned to parents by Wednesday, Child Protective Services spokesman Patrick Crimmins said.
Jeffs, 52, was named president, or prophet, of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints in 2002. Members of the church live in the twin border towns of Colorado City, Ariz., and Hildale, Utah.
Jeffs was convicted last year in Utah of rape as an accomplice in the arranged marriage of a 14-year-old girl and her 19-year-old cousin. He was sentenced to two terms of five years to life in prison.
Jeffs remains jailed in Kingman as he awaits his Arizona trial. No date has been set.
http://tinyurl.com/4zfg2d
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| tulsad
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Thu Jun 05, 2008 11:34 am |
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The Arizona Judicial Department, all Arizona county and local judges, and Terry Goddard need their collective head examined. Then they need to be removed from office. 
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| tulsad
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Thu Jun 05, 2008 11:37 am |
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In his ruling, Conn wrote that Arizona’s incest law initially was enacted without reference to participants’ ages. In 1985, it was amended to apply only to people who were 15 years or older, and in 1998, it was changed to its present form, applying only to those 18 or older.
Conn also wrote that because the incest law specifically mentions half brothers and sisters, it arguably excludes all other relationships of the half blood by not mentioning them.
Texas raises the age at which people can get married; Arizona raises the age at which incestuous relationships are illegal.
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| tulsad
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Thu Jun 05, 2008 11:40 am |
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Conn also wrote that because the incest law specifically mentions half brothers and sisters, it arguably excludes all other relationships of the half blood by not mentioning them.
Oh by all means, err on the side of this convicted pervert.
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| yankee-in-france
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Thu Jun 05, 2008 11:48 am |
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Tulsy, law and justice are not coincidental in many cases but a free society can only pursue their remedies through the court system. Bad law is sometimes unintentionally created.
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| Myra Manes
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Thu Jun 05, 2008 12:11 pm |
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| tulsad wrote: | In his ruling, Conn wrote that Arizona’s incest law initially was enacted without reference to participants’ ages. In 1985, it was amended to apply only to people who were 15 years or older, and in 1998, it was changed to its present form, applying only to those 18 or older.
Conn also wrote that because the incest law specifically mentions half brothers and sisters, it arguably excludes all other relationships of the half blood by not mentioning them.
Texas raises the age at which people can get married; Arizona raises the age at which incestuous relationships are illegal. |
Unbelieveable....... 
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| Black-Tulip
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Thu Jun 05, 2008 12:45 pm |
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From an old article:
Utah authorities confirm that Jeffs' followers are armed with concealed weapons and say his bodyguards -- known as the "God Squad" -- have assembled an arsenal of weapons ...
http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2003-12-25/news/double-exposure/
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| pax
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Thu Jun 05, 2008 12:51 pm |
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| tulsad wrote: | | The Arizona Judicial Department, all Arizona county and local judges, and Terry Goddard need their collective head examined. Then they need to be removed from office. |
The judges are applying the law of Arizona. If the people of Arizona don't like the laws they should pressure legislators to change them.
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| Hannie
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Thu Jun 05, 2008 1:54 pm |
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Everytime I see that picture I want to vomit, ughhhhhhh And kick his skinny ass hard!!
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| Katie
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Thu Jun 05, 2008 3:29 pm |
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| Hannie wrote: | | Everytime I see that picture I want to vomit, ughhhhhhh And kick his skinny ass hard!! |
I'll put on my shit kickers and join you 
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| Schmerty
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Thu Jun 05, 2008 3:40 pm |
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| Katie wrote: |
I'll put on my shit kickers and join you |
MEE THREE!!!!  
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| Myra Manes
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Thu Jun 05, 2008 3:47 pm |
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Isn't that just fucking repulsive.......... 
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| Hannie
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Thu Jun 05, 2008 3:53 pm |
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I take that back....
I want to hurt him!...
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