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WordsofWisdom
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Wed Jul 02, 2008 2:48 pm |
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| PufPuf93 wrote: | I do not use Ignore but have played with the feature several times by ignoring posters and then signing out to see them Ignored for all visitors followed by signing in and Unignoring the same posters and signing immediately out to see that the posters I had Ignored and then Unignored were again visible to visitors. I had the realization and proof than any individual member of RU could chose to ignore a specific poster and make the decision for all visitors to or members of RU that were not signed in eg at least for a period of time any individual member of RU could censor specific posters for all visitors or members not signed in.
I did not post what I discovered because I did not want it to be common knowledge but I told a Mod in PM weeks ago.
IMO that one poster has the ability even for only a window until Kay clears the global Ignore to make the Ignore decision for all visitors and non-signed in posters is not a good RU policy.
I experimented with the Ignore feature again in the last hour and found something to me that is troubling. While signed in, I Ignored 4 posters and then signed out. The 4 posters were all posters that are relatively new and of strong voice and presense. Three of the four posters were on the global Ignore as a visitor but one was not. I signed back in to be sure I had ignored the one poster and I had. I Unignored the other three posters and signed out again. The one poster I still had on Ignore as a member was not Ignored to visitors still.
So what I discovered was that one specific poster (out of maybe 15 I had experimented with to see how the Ignore feature worked) was treated different by the software.
Unlike other posters, if one puts the poster[b] Lin on Ignore, this specific poster is not placed on global ignore for visitors.  [/b] |
Thanks for doing that experiment.
I had experimented with it awhile ago in order to see if I could find the bug myself. It must have been prior to "LIN"'s arrival here at RU, 'cause I am sure I would have used that nic in my testing as well.
So what makes that member so special?
Verrrrrrrrrry interesting.
Great Job!
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| WordsofWisdom
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Wed Jul 02, 2008 2:52 pm |
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| Need2Know wrote: |
You missed the main point of my post. I said we should do away with the "Ignore" option and that will solve this problem and anybody will be able to read. If the people here want to ignore another person, you can simply skip their post and not read it. That is what I meant. I agree that this glitch allows some people to control who reads what and who reads who and that should not be. |
Oh sorry....
I agree especially now that we know that some members (at least one) are exempt from being on that list. I can see an Admin or Mod being exempt- but not a regular member. "lin" IS a regular member isn't she?
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Athena
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| Need2Know
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Wed Jul 02, 2008 2:57 pm |
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| WordsofWisdom wrote: |
Oh sorry....
I agree especially now that we know that some members (at least one) are exempt from being on that list. I can see an Admin or Mod being exempt- but not a regular member. "lin" IS a regular member isn't she? |
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm  
Who knows!
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| victims cry
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Wed Jul 02, 2008 3:11 pm |
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Lin must have showed up after my long vacation too bc i have no clue who it is  . If there is a way we could exempt ppl from being ignored if not logged in then believe me we would do it!
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| Need2Know
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Wed Jul 02, 2008 3:38 pm |
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| victims cry wrote: | | Lin must have showed up after my long vacation too bc i have no clue who it is . If there is a way we could exempt ppl from being ignored if not logged in then believe me we would do it! |
I think your loyal members  would vote to do away with the ignore feature if you asked or took a poll 
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| CherokeeKid
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Wed Jul 02, 2008 3:44 pm |
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| WordsofWisdom wrote: |
Oh sorry....
I agree especially now that we know that some members (at least one) are exempt from being on that list. I can see an Admin or Mod being exempt- but not a regular member. "lin" IS a regular member isn't she? |
That's not correct, WoW.
This poster IS on Ignore today when I checked before logging in.
What happens, IMO, is that not everyone who is on Ignore shows up as being on Ignore on everyone's computer. We talked about that before, when your nic showed up as being on Ignore, some posters said you and some others were on Ignore, however, when other posters checked at the same time, they could see you NOT being on Ignore but others.
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| PufPuf93
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Wed Jul 02, 2008 6:00 pm |
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| CherokeeKid wrote: |
That's not correct, WoW.
This poster IS on Ignore today when I checked before logging in.
What happens, IMO, is that not everyone who is on Ignore shows up as being on Ignore on everyone's computer. We talked about that before, when your nic showed up as being on Ignore, some posters said you and some others were on Ignore, however, when other posters checked at the same time, they could see you NOT being on Ignore but others. |
I do not use the Ignore feature but I have experimented 4X over the past 6-8 weeks as such:
1. See poster not logged in.
2. Log in.
3. Ignore specific Poster.
4. Log Out.
5. Verify Poster is Global Ignored for visitors and RU members not logged in.
6. Log in and Unignore Poster.
7. Logout and verify that Poster Ignored and Unignored was again visible to visitors and those not logged in.
This routine demonstrates that one poster can control for a window of time a global ignore for visitors of specific posters at will.
I have done this with maybe 15 or so posters in the experiments. All posters except Lin behaved as in the above 7 points. Lin was not subject to the global control, only my screen name control within RU. I have repeated this 4X now today. Maybe it is just me and my pc and albeit poor dialup internet connection.. 
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Wed Jul 02, 2008 6:28 pm |
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Is this still a Reffy nominated thread?
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| CherokeeKid
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Wed Jul 02, 2008 6:44 pm |
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| PufPuf93 wrote: | | CherokeeKid wrote: |
That's not correct, WoW.
This poster IS on Ignore today when I checked before logging in.
What happens, IMO, is that not everyone who is on Ignore shows up as being on Ignore on everyone's computer. We talked about that before, when your nic showed up as being on Ignore, some posters said you and some others were on Ignore, however, when other posters checked at the same time, they could see you NOT being on Ignore but others. |
I do not use the Ignore feature but I have experimented 4X over the past 6-8 weeks as such:
1. See poster not logged in.
2. Log in.
3. Ignore specific Poster.
4. Log Out.
5. Verify Poster is Global Ignored for visitors and RU members not logged in.
6. Log in and Unignore Poster.
7. Logout and verify that Poster Ignored and Unignored was again visible to visitors and those not logged in.
This routine demonstrates that one poster can control for a window of time a global ignore for visitors of specific posters at will.
I have done this with maybe 15 or so posters in the experiments. All posters except Lin behaved as in the above 7 points. Lin was not subject to the global control, only my screen name control within RU. I have repeated this 4X now today. Maybe it is just me and my pc and albeit poor dialup internet connection.. |
WOW! You did a thorough experiment!
IMO, it would be interesting to see if several posters do the same experiment at the same time and compare the results.
What I found strange: some posters might see a certain poster on Ignore but at the same time, others don't.
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| WordsofWisdom
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Wed Jul 02, 2008 6:56 pm |
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| CherokeeKid wrote: |
WOW! You did a thorough experiment!
IMO, it would be interesting to see if several posters do the same experiment at the same time and compare the results.
What I found strange: some posters might see a certain poster on Ignore but at the same time, others don't. |
Could be timing as well.
Kat obviously can't be leaning on the "clear" button all of the time. So if she cleared the global right after someone looked, it would have changed. Without that piece of information, it would be difficult to know exactly what was going on. But either way, it is obvious that one member does have a certain degree of controll over what posts can be read when not logged in, and that just ain't right.
It's a good idea, but a bad design.
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Athena
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| Heli
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Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:43 pm |
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| PufPuf93 wrote: | I do not use Ignore but have played with the feature several times by ignoring posters and then signing out to see them Ignored for all visitors followed by signing in and Unignoring the same posters and signing immediately out to see that the posters I had Ignored and then Unignored were again visible to visitors. I had the realization and proof than any individual member of RU could chose to ignore a specific poster and make the decision for all visitors to or members of RU that were not signed in eg at least for a period of time any individual member of RU could censor specific posters for all visitors or members not signed in.
I did not post what I discovered because I did not want it to be common knowledge but I told a Mod in PM weeks ago.
IMO that one poster has the ability even for only a window until Kay clears the global Ignore to make the Ignore decision for all visitors and non-signed in posters is not a good RU policy.
I experimented with the Ignore feature again in the last hour and found something to me that is troubling. While signed in, I Ignored 4 posters and then signed out. The 4 posters were all posters that are relatively new and of strong voice and presense. Three of the four posters were on the global Ignore as a visitor but one was not. I signed back in to be sure I had ignored the one poster and I had. I Unignored the other three posters and signed out again. The one poster I still had on Ignore as a member was not Ignored to visitors still.
So what I discovered was that one specific poster (out of maybe 15 I had experimented with to see how the Ignore feature worked) was treated different by the software.
Unlike other posters, if one puts the poster[b] Lin on Ignore, this specific poster is not placed on global ignore for visitors.[/b] |
Isn't that special!! Is it possible for someone with expertise to determine how she or someone wanting her to be the RU beacon, has managed to effect this phenomenon?
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| WordsofWisdom
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Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:48 pm |
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| victims cry wrote: | | You going to write it? Kay has a full time job..she is just taking the slack up for myself and joy and im not about to ask her to write a script. |
This isn't Kay's problem, either. This problem (bug) belongs to phpBB. I think they should either fix the problem, or stop offering it until it is fixed.
Like I said, it's a great idea, but a bad design.
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| WordsofWisdom
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Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:50 pm |
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| Heli wrote: | | Isn't that special!! Is it possible for someone with expertise to determine how she or someone wanting her to be the RU beacon, has managed to effect this phenomenon? |
Got me, but I would love to know the answer.
Shall we ask phpBB? 
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| CherokeeKid
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Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:18 pm |
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| WordsofWisdom wrote: |
Could be timing as well.
Kat obviously can't be leaning on the "clear" button all of the time. So if she cleared the global right after someone looked, it would have changed. Without that piece of information, it would be difficult to know exactly what was going on. But either way, it is obvious that one member does have a certain degree of controll over what posts can be read when not logged in, and that just ain't right.
It's a good idea, but a bad design. |
I agree.
The perfect design would be if the Ignore button would ONLY affect the poster who is using it. And NOT the board. It should not matter if a Guest is reading, all posts should be readable. IMO.
I personally don't use the Ignore button. I just scroll by the posts/posters I don't like to read. The only time I used it was for testing. LOL And shortly after I took that poster off the Ignore list again.
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| Black-Tulip
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Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:51 am |
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| WordsofWisdom wrote: |
This isn't Kay's problem, either. This problem (bug) belongs to phpBB. I think they should either fix the problem, or stop offering it until it is fixed.
Like I said, it's a great idea, but a bad design. |
No, it's not phpBB's problem. As Kay has said earlier this feature is from a third party and not official phpBB software. Therefore it isn't supported by them. No need to complain.
I am curious too. Obviously this known bug isn't as simply to solve as one would think. Others have tried already. Often removing one bug introduces another one, right? Ask Microsoft.
This ignore extension is surely not the only one available. Is it worth trying to implement another one?
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| WordsofWisdom
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Thu Jul 03, 2008 6:04 am |
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| Black-Tulip wrote: |
No, it's not phpBB's problem. As Kay has said earlier this feature is from a third party and not official phpBB software. Therefore it isn't supported by them. No need to complain.
I am curious too. Obviously this known bug isn't as simply to solve as one would think. Others have tried already. Often removing one bug introduces another one, right? Ask Microsoft.
This ignore extension is surely not the only one available. Is it worth trying to implement another one? |
Oh yeah- I forgot- it isn't phpBB's problem- you are correct.
I say dump it... the problems it causes aren't worth it. IMO.
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| lin
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Fri Jul 04, 2008 9:28 am |
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| Heli wrote: |
Isn't that special!! Is it possible for someone with expertise to determine how she or someone wanting her to be the RU beacon, has managed to effect this phenomenon? |
I'm curious about this too. Has anyone else tried this experiment? Maybe it was a fluke that day? Someone else, maybe Bongo, mentioned a similar experience in a thread but I thought they were teasing or hadn't looked at many threads to see who all was globally ignored. TIA for anyone willing to try it out.
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| lin
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Fri Jul 04, 2008 9:32 am |
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| PufPuf93 wrote: | | CherokeeKid wrote: |
That's not correct, WoW.
This poster IS on Ignore today when I checked before logging in.
What happens, IMO, is that not everyone who is on Ignore shows up as being on Ignore on everyone's computer. We talked about that before, when your nic showed up as being on Ignore, some posters said you and some others were on Ignore, however, when other posters checked at the same time, they could see you NOT being on Ignore but others. |
I do not use the Ignore feature but I have experimented 4X over the past 6-8 weeks as such:
1. See poster not logged in.
2. Log in.
3. Ignore specific Poster.
4. Log Out.
5. Verify Poster is Global Ignored for visitors and RU members not logged in.
6. Log in and Unignore Poster.
7. Logout and verify that Poster Ignored and Unignored was again visible to visitors and those not logged in.
This routine demonstrates that one poster can control for a window of time a global ignore for visitors of specific posters at will.
I have done this with maybe 15 or so posters in the experiments. All posters except Lin behaved as in the above 7 points. Lin was not subject to the global control, only my screen name control within RU. I have repeated this 4X now today. Maybe it is just me and my pc and albeit poor dialup internet connection.. |
Doing it on different days is a bit curious. However, when I was reading before joining, at different times different people were on ignore. I would reboot sometimes to try to get someone I wanted to read's posts off ignore on my computer. Maybe there's a cookie or something?
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| lin
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Fri Jul 04, 2008 9:33 am |
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| resigned wrote: |
Is this still a Reffy nominated thread? |
I feel so special...
What I don't understand is why it isn't you that's the universally not ignored poster. You've got fans everywhere!!
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| lin
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Fri Jul 04, 2008 9:34 am |
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| CherokeeKid wrote: |
WOW! You did a thorough experiment!
IMO, it would be interesting to see if several posters do the same experiment at the same time and compare the results.
What I found strange: some posters might see a certain poster on Ignore but at the same time, others don't. |
That's also been my experience, CK, when I asked my sis to check something out and neither of us were members.
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| lin
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Fri Jul 04, 2008 9:36 am |
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I still think it's a good gimmick to get people to join. And once they join, it's not long before they'll be tempted to post, keeping the conversation going and the board moving along. This would be true for posters of all views.
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| toodles
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Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:04 am |
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lin is on your IGNORE list.
Lin is ignored on my computer whjen I read as a guest.
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| Mallory
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Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:06 am |
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| toodles wrote: | lin is on your IGNORE list.
Lin is ignored on my computer whjen I read as a guest. |
This thread is becoming pretty hilarious itself!
No, toodles, lin controls all software and is magical. What are you thinking!
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| toodles
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Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:11 am |
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| Mallory wrote: |
This thread is becoming pretty hilarious itself!
No, toodles, lin controls all software and is magical. What are you thinking!
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Lin has specioal powah
I agree about hilarious. Between HMI posters being paid, conspiracies out the ass, agendas and now this...ignore control.
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| prolific
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Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:12 am |
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| lin wrote: | | I still think it's a good gimmick to get people to join. And once they join, it's not long before they'll be tempted to post, keeping the conversation going and the board moving along. This would be true for posters of all views. |
Admin here doesn't need any gimmicks to get people to join, they never have.
RU is on of the best boards out there...so much so that people who are banned repeatedly keep coming back with new nics and people from SM and BFN who claim to hate RU are here posting away under different nics.
Nope admin here never needed any kind of gimmick to get members.
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