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all10suspects
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O/T No body No Case Cases
Complex Reiser murder trial resumes in Oakland, still with no body
Henry K. Lee, Chronicle Staff Writer
Monday, January 14, 2008
After nearly a month off, the Hans Reiser murder trial resumes Monday with the prosecution still facing the same dilemma: how to convince the jury that the computer programmer murdered his estranged wife, Nina, even though her body hasn't been found 16 months after she went missing.
Prosecutor Paul Hora has elicited testimony that Reiser, 44, was a controlling husband and martial-arts expert who may have choked his 31-year-old wife to death at his Oakland hills home in September 2006. The couple were in the middle of a bitter divorce.
But the case is far from a slam dunk, defense attorney William Du Bois said.
Du Bois has suggested that Nina Reiser is alive and setting up her husband by hiding in her native Russia until the end of the trial before reuniting with the couple's two children. The defense attorney also has noted that Nina Reiser was unfaithful to her husband and suggested that her family had ties to the KGB, the former Russian spy agency.
So far, Hora "has proved that she's missing," Du Bois said. "I don't think he's proved that she's dead at all. Stay around for the defense case."
Before that happens, Hora, who declined comment for this story, plans to call more witnesses to the stand, including Nina Reiser's mother, Irina Sharanova, as well as police officers who watched the defendant and a criminalist who is expected to testify that traces of Nina Reiser's blood were found in her husband's car and in his home on Exeter Drive.
So far, the jury has heard from the couple's 8-year-old son, Nina Reiser's boyfriend, Anthony Zografos, her best friend, Ellen Doren, schoolteachers and others - all of whom have testified that she was a loving mother who wouldn't just abandon her children, who now live with their grandmother in Russia. Doren testified that the boy asked American tourists in Russia earlier this year if they had seen his mother.
Witnesses have testified that Nina Reiser, a trained obstetrician in Russia, had just gotten a new job, was studying to become a licensed physician in the United States and wanted to file for bankruptcy to get a fresh start.
Witnesses have painted an unflattering portrayal of Hans Reiser as an angry man convinced that his wife was a lying spendthrift and so controlling that he threatened to sue doctors if they performed a necessary ear surgery for his son. At the same time, he accused his wife of making up illnesses for their son, witnesses said.
Last month, Hora showed the jury a replica of a Honda CRX car seat police said was missing from the defendant's car. The prosecution believes the defendant used the car to move his wife's body; the defense has countered that he was sleeping in the car and wanted it to be more comfortable. Du Bois said his client threw the seat away.
Although the case is largely circumstantial - there is no body, no eyewitness and no murder weapon - Hora has presented pieces of a puzzle in hopes that jurors will come to only one conclusion: that Hans Reiser is the only one who could have been responsible for his wife's sudden disappearance and presumed death.
By focusing on the defendant's behavior after his wife disappeared, Hora wants to show jurors that Hans Reiser's actions were those of a guilty man.
But many nagging questions remain, such as when and where Nina Reiser was killed, where her body is and how it was disposed of, said Jay Gaskill, a former Alameda County public defender who has been following the case.
"The problem that the prosecutor is facing is that at some stage leading up to the final argument, the D.A. will have to have a clear theory that includes stuff for which there's no real compelling evidence," Gaskill said. "A jury isn't going to be satisfied with just open-ended questions. There's got to be some discussion of how he did it and where he put the body."
Du Bois has said his client will testify. That's often a risky tactic for the defense, but especially so because Hans Reiser has been pegged as a socially inept nerd and software genius with a habit of speaking in an odd monotone.
But even if he doesn't testify, "there's still a chance, depending on how the argument goes and what additional evidence we haven't heard yet and how the D.A. knits it together, that there could be a hung jury," Gaskill said.
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Although the case is largely circumstantial - there is no body, no eyewitness and no murder weapon
Yet the jury just found the husband guilty. Wonder if this is why the Aruban judges stop Natalees case from going foward? If this case was in the US I think it would have gone to grand jury, trial and the suspects
would be in jail. Its a shame the husband did not kill his wife in Aruba
because he would be free right now! I know thier are more cases without a body. Be nice if they were posted here and talked about. Why this cases go foward in the states but not Aruba!
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You obviously know nothing about this case...Just another way for you to criticize the ALE. 
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| gwen wrote: | | You obviously know nothing about this case...Just another way for you to criticize the ALE. |
The ALE and OM want the case to go foward but the judges are always stopping this case. Thats what happen when you have 1 or 3 people whose job it is make the decision instead of 12 regular people.
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| all10suspects wrote: |
The ALE and OM want the case to go foward but the judges are always stopping this case. Thats what happen when you have 1 or 3 people whose job it is make the decision instead of 12 regular people. |
If I am not mistaken, here in the states, a case goes to prelim, where a SINGLE judge decides if there is reason enough to take it to trial. The jury simply hears the case AFTER the judge decides there is something worth hearing.
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The case "Murder without a corpse '
http://www.om.nl/over_het_om/de_officier_van_justitie/de_zaak/21043/
‘Soms moet je de maximumstraf eisen’
"Sometimes you need the maximum demands'
Auteur: Leo Maat Author: Leo Maat
Marcel van der Horst, advocaat-generaal ressortsparket ’s-Gravenhage Marcel van der Horst, Advocate-General ressortsparket Hague
Zaak: Angelique van Leijenhorst
Case: Angelique of Leijenhorst
Eis: Negentien jaren en elf maanden
Requirement: Nineteen years and eleven months
Arrest: 11 oktober 2004
Judgement: October 11, 2004
‘Moord zonder lijk’ zou de titel kunnen zijn van een misdaadroman.
"Murder without a corpse ', the title may be a Crime Fiction.
De zaak Angelique van Leijenhorst is echter geen literatuur, maar rauwe werkelijkheid.
The case of Angelique Leijenhorst is not literature, but raw reality.
In december 2002 besteedde Opportuun al aandacht aan de rechtszaak over de verdwenen vrouw.
In december 2002 Opportune already devoted attention to the lawsuit over the missing woman.
Haar echtgenoot, Paul van O., was door de rechtbank in Amsterdam wegens ‘doodslag’ overeenkomstig de eis van de officier van justitie Mirjan Warnaar veroordeeld tot twaalf jaar gevangenisstraf.
Her husband, Paul, O., was invited by the court in Amsterdam because of "manslaughter" in accordance with the requirement of the Public Prosecutor Mirjan Warnaar sentenced to twelve years imprisonment.
In hoger beroep heeft het gerechtshof te Amsterdam ‘moord’ bewezen verklaard en zestien jaren opgelegd.
On appeal, the Amsterdam Court of 'murder' proven declared and sixteen years.
In maart van dit jaar vernietigde de Hoge Raad ’s hofs arrest en verwees de zaak naar het gerechtshof in Den Haag.
In March this year destroyed the Supreme Court 's court ruling and referred the case to the court in The Hague.
Advocaat-generaal Marcel van der Horst compareerde ter terechtzitting.‘ Angelique verdween op vrijdag 10 november 2000.
Attorney-General Marcel van der Horst compareerde at the hearing. "Angelique disappeared on Friday 10 november 2000.
’s Middags na twee uur heeft niemand haar meer gezien of iets van haar gehoord. Behalve de verdachte.
At noon after two hours, no one has seen or heard something from her. Apart from the suspect.
De familie van Angelique en haar zoontje van inmiddels zes jaar moeten heel veel doorstaan.
The family of Angelique and her son, now six years have passed very much.
Ondanks de vele, zeer vele aanwijzingen dat de verdachte, de man van Angelique, precies weet waar haar stoffelijk overschot zich bevindt, stelt hij dat Angelique na een ruzie uit de autobus is gestapt en tegen hem heeft gezegd dat zij nooit meer terug zou komen.
Despite the many, very many indications that the suspect, the husband of Angelique, knows exactly where her body is located, he suggests that Angélique after a quarrel from the bus and landed against him said that they would never come back.
Op grond van de inhoud van de bewijsmiddelen zal vastgesteld kunnen worden dat Angelique niet meer in leven is.
On the basis of the contents of the evidence will be found that Angelique no longer alive.
De nabestaanden blijven in voortdurende martelende onzekerheid over het lot van Angelique’s bestaan.
The survivors remain in perpetual torture uncertainty about the fate of Angelique's existence.
Niet alleen waar zij is, maar ook over de wijze waarop haar leven is beëindigd.’
Not only where she is, but also about how her life has ended. "
‘Nadat namens de verdachte beroep in cassatie is ingesteld zijn de gedingstukken met enige vertraging naar de Hoge Raad toegezonden.
'After behalf of the accused appeal in cassation is set, the gedingstukken with some delay to the High Council.
De Raad heeft vastgesteld dat de redelijke termijn was overschreden en heeft bepaald dat het hof, waarnaar de zaak werd verwezen, met dit tijdsverloop bij de eventueel op te leggen straf rekening zou moeten houden.
The Council has determined that the reasonable time limit was exceeded and has determined that the court, which the case was referred, this time to any penalty imposed should consider.
Over de eis hebben we ons intern beraden. About the requirement we have our internal reflection. We zijn nog gestuit op een uitspraak van het gerechtshof in Arnhem in een min of meer soortgelijke zaak.
We have encountered a ruling of the court in Arnhem in a more or less similar case.
De verdachte in de Arnhemse zaak ontkende ook en legde telkens wisselende verklaringen af.
The suspect in the case Arnhemse also denied each and imposed varying statements.
Ook weigerde hij te vertellen waar het lichaam van zijn slachtoffer was begraven.
Also he refused to tell where the body of his victim was buried.
Ondanks die weigering is het lichaam uiteindelijk toch in een bosperceel gevonden.
Despite that denial is the body eventually found in a woodlots.
Het hof in Arnhem heeft de verdachte twintig jaren gevangenisstraf opgelegd. Onze verdachte vertelde telkens een ander verhaal. Niettegenstaande vele aanwijzingen van het tegendeel heeft de verdachte volgehouden niet te weten waar Angelique is.
The court in Arnhem, the suspect twenty years imprisonment imposed. Our suspect told a different story each time.
Despite ample evidence to the contrary, the suspect sustained did not know where Angelique.
Ondanks vele naspeuringen is het lichaam tot op heden niet gevonden. Hierdoor onderscheidt deze zaak zich van vele andere moordzaken.
Despite many enquiries is the body so far not found. This distinguishes this case from many other murder.
Wij vonden dan ook dat de maximum tijdelijke straf van twintig jaar op zich passend en geboden was. Vanwege de door de Hoge Raad vastgestelde overschrijding van de redelijke termijn is één maand in mindering gebracht.’
We therefore felt that the temporary maximum sentence of twenty years to be appropriate and was offered.
Because the Supreme Court established by the crossing of the reasonable period is one month deducted. "
‘De Hoge Raad heeft het arrest van het hof in Amsterdam gecasseerd omdat het hof de raadsman had belet aan een belangrijke getuige vragen te stellen over een verklaring die deze als getuige in een andere strafzaak had afgelegd. Aldus had de verdediging de betrouwbaarheid van die getuige willen toetsen.
"The Supreme Court has the judgement of the court in Amsterdam gecasseerd because the court had prevented the adviser to a key witness to ask questions about a statement made by them as a witness in another criminal case had been provided. Thus, the reliability of the defense witness who want keys.
De Raad vond deze gang van zaken in strijd met een goede procesorde. De betreffende getuige is, met nog twee andere getuigen, opnieuw voor het Haagse hof verschenen. meIn de bewijsconstructie die wij aan het hof hebben voorgelegd hebben wij de verklaring van deze - door de verdediging als onbetrouwbaar afgeschilderde - getuige achterwege gelaten, mede omdat er, ons inziens, voldoende bewijsmateriaal uit andere bronnen beschikbaar was.
The Council took this state of affairs in contravention of a good procesorde. That witness, with two other witnesses, again for the Hague court appearance. In the bewijsconstructie which we have presented to the court, we have the explanation of this - by the defense portrayed as unreliable - witness dropped, partly because, in our opinion, sufficient evidence was available from other sources.
Waar de rechtbank ervan uit is gegaan dat Angelique door de verdachte is doodgeslagen, het hof bewezen heeft verklaard dat zij met voorbedachten rade is doodgestoken, zijn wij na verwijzing uitgegaan van een zogenaamde ‘alternatieve bewezenverklaring’.
Where the court assumes that Angelique has gone by the suspect to death, the court has proven that it is doodgestoken with premeditation, we are following referral based on a so-called 'alternative bewezenverklaring. "
Die komt er op neer dat Angelique, met voorbedachten rade, is doodgeslagen en/of is doodgestoken. Voor beide alternatieven was, ons inziens, voldoende bewijsmateriaal voorhanden.
That comes down to is that Angelique, with premeditation, death and / or doodgestoken. For both alternatives, we believe sufficient evidence.
Voor de strafrechtelijke betekenis van het bewezen geachte is immers niet van belang op welke wijze het slachtoffer om het leven is gekomen.’ For the criminal significance of the evidence is deemed not important how the victim killed. "
‘De bewijsmiddelen die wij voor de bewezenverklaring van moord redengevend hebben geacht zijn deels gelijk aan de feiten en omstandigheden die het Amsterdamse hof daartoe heeft gebezigd.
"The evidence that we bewezenverklaring for the murder of reasons have been deemed partly equal to the facts and circumstances which the Amsterdam court has conferred used.
Wij hebben ons gebaseerd op onder andere het feit dat de verdachte enkele dagen voor de verdwijning van Angelique haar mobiele telefoon onklaar heeft gemaakt en dat hij op slinkse wijze heeft weten te voorkomen dat zij tijdig een nieuw exemplaar zou krijgen.
We have based on inter alia the fact that the suspect a few days before the disappearance of Angelique her mobile phone has made defective and that he surreptitiously has managed to avoid it in time would get a new one.
Angelique wist niet beter dan dat zij op vrijdagmiddag 10 november 2000 met haar man (de verdachte) naar de boekhouder zou gaan.
Angelique did not know better than that on Friday 10 november 2000 with her husband (the suspect) would go to the accountant.
De afspraak met de boekhouder was echter weer door de verdachte afgezegd.
The appointment with the accountant, however, was again cancelled by the suspect.
De verdachte had enkel voor de rit naar de boekhouder die vrijdagmiddag een busje gehuurd.
The suspect had only to the trip to the accountant who rented a van Friday afternoon.
Niet na het busje zeer grondig te hebben schoongemaakt heeft hij het weer bij de verhuurder ingeleverd.
Not after the minibus to have very thoroughly cleaned, he again returned to the lessor.
Luminolonderzoek heeft uitgewezen dat er op talrijke plaatsen in het busje bloed moet hebben gelegen. Bloed van Angelique, aldus DNA-onderzoek.
Luminolonderzoek has shown that in many places in the minibus must have blood. Blood of Angelique says DNA research.
Hoewel hij als vader zich volstrekt niet bekommerde om de verzorging van zijn zoontje, vroeg hij Angelique, enkele dagen voor haar verdwijning, een lijstje op stellen met zaken die voor de dagelijkse verzorging van dit zoontje nodig waren.
Although he strongly disagrees father as concerned with the care of his son, he asked Angelique, a few days before her disappearance, a list of things that make for the daily care of this son were needed.
Voor deze en nog voor tal van andere merkwaardige zaken had de verdachte telkens wel een, zij het voortdurend wisselende, verklaring. Op zich was elke verklaring in theorie wel mogelijk.
For these and yet for many of the other strange things had always called a suspect, though constantly changing statement. In itself, each statement in theory possible.
Echter, de opeenstapeling van telkens een theoretische mogelijkheid vormt, naar redelijkerwijs mag worden aangenomen, één praktische onmogelijkheid.’
However, the accumulation of one theoretical possibility, may reasonably be assumed to be a practical impossibility. "
‘In deze zaak is tijdens het opsporingsonderzoek ook een politie-informant ingezet.
"In this matter during the investigation also a police informant.
Deze informant is ingesloten in hetzelfde Huis van Bewaring als de verdachte.
This informant is embedded in the same House of Detention as the suspect.
De Hoge Raad heeft, toen hij het arrest van het Amsterdamse hof casseerde, belangrijke overwegingen gewijd aan de voorwaarden waaraan de inzet van een informant en de bruikbaarheid van het door deze vergaarde bewijsmateriaal moet voldoen.
The Supreme Court has, when he judgement of the Amsterdam court casseerde, important considerations devoted to the conditions to the deployment of an informant and the usefulness of the evidence gathered by these must meet.
De verdediging heeft na verwijzing vooral de rol van de politie-informant gehekeld. Die zou de verdachte op onoirbare wijze tot een verklaring hebben uitgelokt.
The defense has especially after regard the role of the police informer denounced. That would be the suspect in onóir way to have provoked a statement.
Echter, de verdachte had, toen hij werd geconfronteerd met de bevindingen van die informant, verklaard dat hij al vanaf de eerste dag door had dat het een rechercheur betrof. Bij het hof in Amsterdam had hij ook in die trant verklaard.
However, the suspect had when he was confronted with the findings of that informant, he explained that since the first day that the door had a detective involved. The court in Amsterdam, he also had in those lines. Ondanks die wetenschap heeft hij toch een zichzelf belastende mededeling – “Ik heb haar geslagen.Dood.” - aan de informant gedaan.
Despite this knowledge he still has a self-incriminating statement - "I've beaten her. Death. "- To the informant.
Reeds daarom zou ons inziens een beroep op onrechtmatige bewijsvergaring kunnen stranden.
Already why would we believe an appeal to unlawful taking of evidence may beaches.
Ook overigens is ons inziens de politie-informant binnen de door de Hoge Raad getrokken grenzen gebleven.’
Also incidentally, we believe the police informer within the time allowed by the Supreme Court has drawn boundaries. "
Verschenen in Opportuun, oktober 2004 Published in Opportune, in October 2004
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| all10suspects wrote: | | The ALE and OM want the case to go foward but the judges are always stopping this case. Thats what happen when you have 1 or 3 people whose job it is make the decision instead of 12 regular people. |
It is up to the prosecution to go to trial.. the judiciary only gets involved to schedule a date for the pro forma hearing.. Aruban judges have nothing to do with cases not going to trial..
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all10suspects schreef: 
The ALE and OM want the case to go foward but the judges are always stopping this case. Thats what happen when you have 1 or 3 people whose job it is make the decision instead of 12 regular people.
woebedamned schreef:
If I am not mistaken, here in the states, a case goes to prelim, where a SINGLE judge decides if there is reason enough to take it to trial. The jury simply hears the case AFTER the judge decides there is something worth hearing. Damn it All!!!!  
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| woebedamned wrote: |
If I am not mistaken, here in the states, a case goes to prelim, where a SINGLE judge decides if there is reason enough to take it to trial. The jury simply hears the case AFTER the judge decides there is something worth hearing. |
There are many cases that go before a Grand Jury first...
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| minitess wrote: |
There are many cases that go before a Grand Jury first... |
True, but a judge can still dismiss a case if he or she feels there is a lack of evidence.
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Re: O/T No body No Case Cases
| all10suspects wrote: | Complex Reiser murder trial resumes in Oakland, still with no body
Henry K. Lee, Chronicle Staff Writer
Monday, January 14, 2008
After nearly a month off, the Hans Reiser murder trial resumes Monday with the prosecution still facing the same dilemma: how to convince the jury that the computer programmer murdered his estranged wife, Nina, even though her body hasn't been found 16 months after she went missing.
Prosecutor Paul Hora has elicited testimony that Reiser, 44, was a controlling husband and martial-arts expert who may have choked his 31-year-old wife to death at his Oakland hills home in September 2006. The couple were in the middle of a bitter divorce.
But the case is far from a slam dunk, defense attorney William Du Bois said.
Du Bois has suggested that Nina Reiser is alive and setting up her husband by hiding in her native Russia until the end of the trial before reuniting with the couple's two children. The defense attorney also has noted that Nina Reiser was unfaithful to her husband and suggested that her family had ties to the KGB, the former Russian spy agency.
So far, Hora "has proved that she's missing," Du Bois said. "I don't think he's proved that she's dead at all. Stay around for the defense case."
Before that happens, Hora, who declined comment for this story, plans to call more witnesses to the stand, including Nina Reiser's mother, Irina Sharanova, as well as police officers who watched the defendant and a criminalist who is expected to testify that traces of Nina Reiser's blood were found in her husband's car and in his home on Exeter Drive.
So far, the jury has heard from the couple's 8-year-old son, Nina Reiser's boyfriend, Anthony Zografos, her best friend, Ellen Doren, schoolteachers and others - all of whom have testified that she was a loving mother who wouldn't just abandon her children, who now live with their grandmother in Russia. Doren testified that the boy asked American tourists in Russia earlier this year if they had seen his mother.
Witnesses have testified that Nina Reiser, a trained obstetrician in Russia, had just gotten a new job, was studying to become a licensed physician in the United States and wanted to file for bankruptcy to get a fresh start.
Witnesses have painted an unflattering portrayal of Hans Reiser as an angry man convinced that his wife was a lying spendthrift and so controlling that he threatened to sue doctors if they performed a necessary ear surgery for his son. At the same time, he accused his wife of making up illnesses for their son, witnesses said.
Last month, Hora showed the jury a replica of a Honda CRX car seat police said was missing from the defendant's car. The prosecution believes the defendant used the car to move his wife's body; the defense has countered that he was sleeping in the car and wanted it to be more comfortable. Du Bois said his client threw the seat away.
Although the case is largely circumstantial - there is no body, no eyewitness and no murder weapon - Hora has presented pieces of a puzzle in hopes that jurors will come to only one conclusion: that Hans Reiser is the only one who could have been responsible for his wife's sudden disappearance and presumed death.
By focusing on the defendant's behavior after his wife disappeared, Hora wants to show jurors that Hans Reiser's actions were those of a guilty man.
But many nagging questions remain, such as when and where Nina Reiser was killed, where her body is and how it was disposed of, said Jay Gaskill, a former Alameda County public defender who has been following the case.
"The problem that the prosecutor is facing is that at some stage leading up to the final argument, the D.A. will have to have a clear theory that includes stuff for which there's no real compelling evidence," Gaskill said. "A jury isn't going to be satisfied with just open-ended questions. There's got to be some discussion of how he did it and where he put the body."
Du Bois has said his client will testify. That's often a risky tactic for the defense, but especially so because Hans Reiser has been pegged as a socially inept nerd and software genius with a habit of speaking in an odd monotone.
But even if he doesn't testify, "there's still a chance, depending on how the argument goes and what additional evidence we haven't heard yet and how the D.A. knits it together, that there could be a hung jury," Gaskill said.
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Although the case is largely circumstantial - there is no body, no eyewitness and no murder weapon
Yet the jury just found the husband guilty. Wonder if this is why the Aruban judges stop Natalees case from going foward? If this case was in the US I think it would have gone to grand jury, trial and the suspects
would be in jail. Its a shame the husband did not kill his wife in Aruba
because he would be free right now! I know thier are more cases without a body. Be nice if they were posted here and talked about. Why this cases go foward in the states but not Aruba! |
These cases IMO don't compare with Natalee's case. In these cases when you say circumstantial evidence it always means blood, weapons with blood, prints... etc... added in with lies...if you want to compare cases, research cases where people have just disappeared without a trace...even though there may have been a LKP or there were lies told unless there's something connecting it that shows there was a crime committed it won't get solved. Off the top of my head Justin Gaines and Tara Grinstead are two higher profile cases that come to mind although Justin doesn't get nearly enough media coverage. And I could be wrong but I don't think Scott Peterson was arrested until after Lacy and Connor's bodies washed up.
If you want other cases in the US to compare you can start with these:
http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmalistview.php?wstr=Adult&alpha=%
http://www.ancestorhunt.com/missing-persons.htm
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| prolific wrote: | | These cases IMO don't compare with Natalee's case. |
Nachon, eg. Reiser had a clear motive.. and what he did w/ the cellphones combined w/ his KGB paranoia gave him away..
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Re: O/T No body No Case Cases
| all10suspects wrote: | Although the case is largely circumstantial - there is no body, no eyewitness and no murder weapon
Yet the jury just found the husband guilty. Wonder if this is why the Aruban judges stop Natalees case from going foward? If this case was in the US I think it would have gone to grand jury, trial and the suspects
would be in jail. Its a shame the husband did not kill his wife in Aruba
because he would be free right now! I know thier are more cases without a body. Be nice if they were posted here and talked about. Why this cases go foward in the states but not Aruba! |
Simple. In the USA you don't need any evidence. All you need are 12 idiots who you can get to hate the defendant and they'll convict anyone of anything. They don't care. So much for "Truth, justice and the American way".
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