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BhamMom PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 9:26 pm

Thanks, everyone. And I agree, Tom Petty was good. 		** Banned **



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Kellan PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 10:52 pm

I add my thanks to all who translated. I appreciate it.

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soconfused PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 11:09 pm

Look at what Daury has to say






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soconfused PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 11:11 pm

It says......Afraid of>> "Not a f---- body!"



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iquitos PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 11:11 pm

Kienstail wrote:
part of the show:

http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/40829/08150258/joran_loopt_volledig_leeg.html


because i was translating i did not see this. it is obvious to me that joran is not in a normal state and is not telling the truth. it is as if he is speeding. they are both faking this and it is obvious. joran is a born bullshitter. he is not behaving as if this is all true. the informant is a pig too. joran is smoking a fucking joint while he talks. he is high as a kite. what does de vries have to say about that?

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Kellan PostPosted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 11:15 pm

marco wrote:
Beginning of the show


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7839720049051941844&hl=en


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iquitos PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 4:39 am

more print news

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080204/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/aruba_missing_teen 		beady eyed rat



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iquitos PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:17 am

here is some funny statistical data from fok

Gek getikt (2440x)
.... beukt Joran (100x)
.... geeft een knietje aan Joran (46x)
.... bitch slapt Joran (39x)
.... laat een zeepje vallen voor Joran (31x)
.... zegt batty tegen Joran (28x)
.... haat Joran (22x)
.... steunt Joran (21x)
.... biedt een drankje aan aan Joran (18x)
.... knipoogt naar Joran (13x)
.... corrigeert Joran (11x)

Enkele van de vele tikken:

04-02 12:42: D.ennis denkt dat joran eindelijk verder gaat komen dan vingeren.. met een man Joran
04-02 12:37: Willem hoopt dat je een langzame pijnlijke dood sterft Joran
04-02 12:28: Laurens vind jouw een viese stink conjo en een putaa Joran
04-02 12:29: Bertram poept op Joran
04-02 12:30: Greg(h) pist op Joran
04-02 12:27: Tara kotst op Joran
04-02 12:21: Wesley laat zijn pik zuigen door Joran
04-02 12:20: Camiel wilt ook in de oceaan worden gegooid door Joran
04-02 12:18: Chrisjan.:byebye: geeft 1 kanker klap aan Joran
04-02 12:17: Rick hangt een blok beton aan je been en gooit je in zee Joran
04-02 12:13: Marloes vind ondanks al het gezeik je wel een lkkr bekkie hebbe Joran
04-02 12:03: Nillus' pakt jonkoe af en geeft nekschot aan Joran
04-02 12:04: Jaco hoopt dat de medegevangenen in de bak zich tegoed doen aan de reet van Joran
04-02 11:56: PieterSahieter jezus vergeeft, als je je zonde belijd/bekend Joran
04-02 11:49: Fred slaat jou net zolang op je kuttekop dat je stikt in je eigen bloed Joran
04-02 11:44: Danny schiet je kapot en voert je aan de haaien, Joran
04-02 10:19: Gieltjuh zegt ook al ben juh nog zo snel de kogel achter haald je wel kk Joran

En dit zijn alleen reacties van vandaag, ik zit al bij pagina 64
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Ezgoing PostPosted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:04 am

it is obvious to me that joran is not in a normal state and is not telling the truth. it is as if he is speeding. they are both faking this and it is obvious. joran is a born bullshitter.
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On which days and in which tapes ever have you determined that Joran was telling the truth? It would be good if each truthful statement were pulled from each time this young hoodlum spoke could be gathered to make a longer statement that could be believed by everyone.



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cpwind PostPosted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 3:40 pm

truth or not...he is one sick mofo.



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LovelyPigeon PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 12:56 pm

(English translation by jonadmin, from scrux.com http://hollowaycase.com/archive/media/devriestape.htm )

The following are translations of excepts from secretly recorded converstions between Joran van der Sloot and Patrick van der Eem, which were played on the Peter de Vries program of 2/3/08.

________________________________________________________________________________________

J: They have nothing, I laughed at them, those investigators. I didn't say a word. I'll tell you some more when I get back.
__________________________________________________________________________________________


J: Even if they find that girl dead, with my sperm in her...

P: Then they cannot do anything anymore?

J: Not a thing, no. They just can't do a thing.
____________________________________________________________________________________________

J: I looked that officer straight in the face, and just sat there the entire time. Not a word came out of my mouth. Even that judge, Patrick. That fucking judge. I'm sitting there before him that first time. I didn't say a thing. you know. And the second time, the session's over.and the judge says, "Do you have anything to say?" I tell him "I'd really like to go home." That was good. If I hadn't hadn't gotten that, I'd have gotten 30 days. And the judge says, "Yeah, but you're not telling the truth." And I say, "I'm not telling the truth? I have nothing to say." Then he told me, "I think you know more". That's what the judge said to me. "This isn't going well."
____________________________________________________________________________________________

P: What for?

J: To talk about all the fucking mistakes of the prosecutor. And my father thinks it's really going to come in handy for the damages claim. I'm going to get a big fat compensation check, according to my father.

P: Yeah, but that's only right.

J: A really big fat one he says. for the emotional damages.
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P: Will they ever find her, do you think?

J: No.

P: No?

J: I'm done with it. The only thing I want now is my big fat compensation check. But before I have it, it'll be 10 years.


P: But where the fuck is she, Joran?

J: She'll never be found. Where exactly, I don't even know myself.

P: How can that be, that you don't even know then?

J: Well...

P: A higher power?

J: Powers.

J: No, I'm done with it, Patrick.

P: It's fine.

J: It's probably going to come out better than I'd hoped.

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J: I see him looking my way, and I pick up that glass of wine, and I just throw it in his face. And he goes "Oh, my eyes, it stings!". And I was so cool, and then you see me going calmly, like "Yeah, I thought you deserved it, you know." That's how it looked. It didn't look at all aggressive like. "You idiot..." It was more like, "Who the fuck do you think you are?"
___________________________________________________________________________________________

P: What happened to her? What the fuck happened to her? Joran listen, I'm from Aruba, I know the beach.

J: I'm telling you honestly, I know what happened to that girl.

P: What happened then, Joran? Morta, she's dead isn't she?

J: Of course.

P: Did she die, or what?

J: But do you think... come on, I would never kill a girl.

P: No, I think so. Joran, you know, shit...

K: I just lucked out, that's all. That's what it was.

P: What do you mean?

J: Well, that is... just... something happened there.

P: Of course something happened there. She's no longer around, is she.

J: Yeah, and... the ocean's big, isn't it?

P: Of course the sea is big, man,

J: I just think that I'm really lucky that she's never been found, beacuse if they find that girl. I'd be in deep shit.

J: Well, you know. If they have a body, then they can try to make a case. Then they still don't have anything, but then I'll be taken in again...

P: I'm not sure. If there is any direct proof pointing to you, then maybe. That decomposes, man
____________________________________________________________________________________________

J: Patrick, I'll tell you one thing... I've never discussed it with anyone.

P: No.

J: It isn't easy, either, not even now.

P: I know, Joran. But there are some things you have to get off your chest, sometimes.

J: Yeah, it's just... she is never going to be found. I think.


P: Because they dumped her in the sea?

J: Yeah.

P: Yes? Alone?

J: Yeah.

P: Did you swim out or something?

J: No.

P: How then? That's weird. It's impossible, Joran.

J: Look, I know people in Aruba. At that age, I used to go around, with people... people who can help me, But I'd still rather not name those people, because they've never, in all this time...

P: Never done anything wrong?


J: They've always been good to me, and I've always been good to them. So yes, I know who it is, but I'm not going to tell you his name. But it isn't my parents or anything, but someone who's a really good friend of mine,


P: With a boat.

J: Yes.

P: Then, that's it. If you took her out on a boat, for more than two miles, she'll never come back, you know.
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J: Well, OK, so we're on the beach over there. Suddenly she wasn't moving any more.

P: Shit, man!

J: So I went and called the guy, I walked over to the pay phone, I called him. And I told him, "Well... this is what happened. Please come help me. Please don't call the police." He says, "No, I won't call the police, I'm coming to you now." And, he came there.
__________________________________________________________________________________________


J: His name, I'll take his name to the grave with me. Because I just know I can't do that to him. That's my obligation, because of what he did for me.

P: Of course.
__________________________________________________________________________________________

P: How do you know she was dead, Joran?

J: I just know it.

P: How did you see that? Did you check her pulse, or something? Did it happen at once, then?

J: I just touched her. But there was nothing any more. It was done.
_________________________________________________________________________________________

P: How far do you think he took her? This guy must have done a really good job. This guy really knew what he was doing. Did he weigh her down, to make her sink?

K: No, I don't think so.

P: You don't even know that?

J: No.

P: Didn't he ever tell you how he did it?

J: Of course he did

P: How did he do it then?

J: He jusr went farther out in the sea, then he just dumped her.

P: He just threw her overboard? Just like that? You've really been very lucky, you know? No shit, then you've really been lucky.

J: That's what I say, I have been really lucky.

P: Really lucky, that he has been so stupid to do this, you know? Then you have a giant angel hanging over your head.

J: I was even able to sleep that night, I just went home and went to bed.
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P: What is his name?

J: Daury.

P: Daury who? Dutch guy?

J: Half Dutch, ha;f Aruban.

P: Aren't you afraid that guy is going to talk at some point?

J: Of course, of course I'm afraid of that. But I have something on that guy, Patrick. I got something on him too. And he knows it very well.

P: Relax, Joran. You've got it off your chest. It'll be all right, man. We won't talk about it any more. And I'm putting it away. For me it's finished, case closed. Yeah, that's good, man. Right? I'm glad the thing is over for you.

J: I'm glad about it too. I'm being honest with you, Patrick. The two people I most trust in this, more than anyone, are that guy and you.
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J: So those bitches just come up and ask me "Are you going out with us tonight? Will you come with us to Carlos 'n Charlie's, that bar? I said "Yeah, that's fine." They'd already been drinking the entire time.

So we go to Carlos 'n Charlie's, I get there and see the entire group of hot girls. And she just came from on top of the bar, She came up to me.

P: Who?

J: Natalee. "Come take a jelly shot off me." So the whore jumped on the bar, and wanted me to take a jelly shot out of her navel. So I did. So I did.

Then she says, "So now you have to buy me a drink." So I say, "What do you want?" She says, "What's good?" I say, "A shot of Bicardi 151". She says, "Ok, that's fine." So she takes a shot of Bicardi 151. So she takes it, and right away I see she goes "Whoop! Bam!" 151 proof you know. 151 proof, that is 75% alcohol. She asks for a chaser. She's drunk, really drunk.

But I'm thinking, I'll just take the girl with me, we'll go fuck. So I say, "What do you want to do, you wanna go to your hotel?" She says "No, no, no, I don't want to go to my own hotel."
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J: So I was with her, and I said to the guys, "I want to go somewhere alone with her, but she doesn't want to go to her hotel." I also kind of want to do what she wants, that's how it is you know. I say "Just drop us off at the beach." Then I'll fuck her and take her to the hotel after. So they dropped me off at the beach. I get out and walk with her to the beach. I'm kissing her and stuff, but she doesn't look so hot, you know. She was looking kind of pale too. But she wanted it. She really wanted it.
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J: And she has her hand down my pants and stuff, and all of a sudden. Patrick... (shakes) Like a movie, all those things she did. .

P: Shaking?

J: Yeah, a lot. So I was like, fuck, what is all this?

P: So what did you do then?

J: Yeah, so I stay with her. And there was nobody there, Patrick.

P: Of course there's no one, it's night time, Joran.

J: So I;m talking to her, talking to her, talking to her, and she says nothing, she says nothing, she says nothing. So I take her...

P: How long was she shaking like that for? Doyou know what that is?


J: I don't know, Patrick.

P; An epileptic attack or something. dude.

J: I don't know.

P: She was shaking, and foam came out of her mouth?

J: No, no foam out of her mouth. Not that I saw.

P: And then, I'm panicking, you know? I just thought, fuck, no one even knows I left my house. I just left the house like that. So I'm thinking, what do I do?
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J: I talked with him, and I told him I have... really something... seriously something has happened, something bad.

P: Where did you talk with him?

J: I talked with him on the pay phone there.


P: From where?


J: The Marriott hotel.


P: And where is that, in the lobby?


J: No, just outside by the pool. I sit there all the time, I go there all the time.


P: And then you just left her lying there?


J: No listen, then I have.... you have these "dwerven" things there... what do you call those..


P: Huts? Boats?


J: Yes but you have these plants there...


P: Those mangrove kind of things?


J: Yes, that is what I mean, those mangrove things. So I just got her and put her over there by those mangrove things. And I told him, "I am sitting here, you have to come here".

And he lives alone, he does not like this shit, he fucks them but he lives alone always, that is the way it is supposed to be, he says.

P: Yes, yes, yes.


J: So he came to there. And he says, "Joran, what have you done?" But she looks sweet, you know?

P: And she's just lying still?

J: Still, still, she's not doing anything. He says "What happened?" And I said, "I don't know either, man, I don'r know either."

P: But did you not try to resuscitate her?

J: Of course, I tried everything, man. I tried to shake her, I was shaking her, I was shaking the bitch. I was like "What's wrong with you, man?" I almost wanted to cry. Why does this shit have to happen to me?

P: Of course, of course.

J: Why does this shit have to happen to me? I said to him, "This isn't possible." And then...


P: That's when he was there too.

J: Yeah.

P: What time was this?

J: 2:30-3:00 am.


P: Unbelieveable.

J: And he told me, this is a big problem. And he has his own boat on Aruba you know. He has that, he works at one of those... he works as a particular for one of those people, with those, what do you call it, those banana boats, those tubes...


P: Those fun things, where you can sit on a banana all together?

J: Yes, he has his own boat, but he works for one of those people. That is sort of his cover work.

P: That is good, you have to do something, earn some money. He is doing great then, he is not dumb.

J: No, he isn't dumb. He was sitting there and he said, "Joran, you know I would not do this myself, but this is going to be a huge problem." He said, "No matter what, no matter what, you are going to get blamed for this."

And I said. "Yes, I also don't know... I don't know what I have to do, I cannot go to the police, I cannot solve this. His boat was sitting there by the pier, and I knew that too, you know. And he told me, "Then help me for a while". So we took her to the boat...

P: Lifted her up.

J: Yes, just the two of us quickly.


P: And nobody saw you then either?

J: Nobody.

P: Yes, but it is near the Marriott, those boats there?


J: Yes, but there is nobody. Nobody pays attention. You are walking there in the dark. Even if you walk there with someone, they think you are playing.

P: Probably think someone is drunk.

J: They do not pay attention at all.

And then he said to me, what did he say to me... when we were there he said to me, "You do have to go to school tomorrow and stuff. Because, if there is a missing girl then...


P: He's smart, Joran.

J: I knew these things too. I said, "You're so right. I just have to do normal things. And I'm going to the casino to make sure I'm on camera and stuff." And he said, "OK, that's fine", so I went home.

P: How did you get home, then?

J: I just walked, what do you think? He had to...

P: How long a walk is that then?


J: 15 minutes or so, and the shoe thing is all BS, Patrick.

P: Does he have your shoes?


J: No, those shoes, I have thrown them away, I have thrown them away myself. on the way to there.. on the way to home.

P: You just took them off?


J: No, on the way there, you have these holes...


P: Drains or something.


J: Yes.

P: OK, so you walk home and he goes out right then?


J: He goes out right then. From what he told me... from what he told me, I don't think he even went out two kilometers. He told me he just took the boat, went far, threw her out, and came back. Put teh boat back, and then came to visit me at home, and we talked for some time.

P: That night?

J: Yes, he came and he told me, you know, "All is arranged, she's going to be missing, they're going to search. but they will not know a thing , they will not know a thing." He said, "Maybe they will come to you". Then I said "You know we have to talk this through", of course we both were a little nervous.


P: Yes.


J: It isn't something small you know, we both had something like... we also had done things together before, therefore I knew when I, when I had to call someone, I had to call him.

P: Yes.

J: And that he would do this for me, but...

P: Yes.

J: But at that moment, you know, it had to be, it had to be good, if the police would come for me for the disappearance of the girl, because they had seen me leaving with the girl at Carlos 'n Charlie's. These boys they know, OK they have just dropped me off, they don't know anything further.


P: Deepak and Satish.

J: Dumb boys, Patrick, they are not even worth it.

P: They dropped you off.

J: Yes, imagine how slick I had to be to persuade them to say they had dropped me off at my hotel. That truly messed things up, that messed things up.


P: But of course.

J: So I told him, but if the police come, Deepak and Satish have dropped me of at the beach there, so I will have to talk with them also. Then he said, "Yes, that is true."

P: So you never told these two anything?

J: Never, never, never. Looking back I did not think that this shit would be so much...

P: No indeed, you had some bad luck with that, that it got such a fokking huge media hype.

J: But now I can abuse that too (laughs) You don't have a smoke?

P: Yes I have a smoke.

P: Hey, you drove off last night, but you had no pot anymore, or did you?

J: No, but I was stoned, so no problem.

P: Ok, so that was that, or wasn't it?

J: Patrick boy, I only spent two hours with her, Patrick!

P: But you were fingering her, and then bam, it was finished?

J: I was fingering her, and talking, just talking with her, and I wanted her to suck my dick, I just wanted to say that, and then all at once, finished.

P: What was she doing, shaking?
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J: And these police officers you know, during these investigations they give you so much information about what they know. They want to throw it all on the table, but they know shit, ok, if that is how you say it is, then it is like that.

Oh, and when I was leaving there, you know, I even sms'd my girlfriend, "Hey darling see you tomorrow" Patrick, I did not have a bad feeling about it at all, I did not lose one night of sleep over it. I thought, it goes on, I have to go on. I have to look good, then they cannot do anything to me, and that is how it went also.

P: Joran, it is finished OK. But Daury, do you even speak with him?

J: Yes, I speak with him at times.

P: Often?

J: No.

P: How do you talk with him, by phone?

J: No, by internet.

P: But Joran, about this...

J: No, no no, about this we only talk when we are together.

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P: How were you so sure she was dead, Joran? You can't... you know, people can also go into a coma.


J: Yeah... I wasn't sure about that, but it really scared me to death.

P: No, but I understand that. I definitely understand that, that you were scared. Did you really prod her and stuff?

J: No, but it didn't look good.

P: How didn't it look good, then?

J: Just, you know, she'd been shaking and stuff.

P: What, really shaking?

J: Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, pretty much.

P: You know, I wasn't there. I'm asking you, how are you so fucking sure she was dead, man?

J: I wasn't fucking sure. But from the time it happened to the time he came, she wasn't doing anything any more.

P: Did this Daury check if she was dead? Did he look too?

J: He looked and he said, "Yeah, she's not alive any more. Dead."

P: How did he do that?

J: We were just standing over her and looked. It wasn't good.

P: But she could also have been in a coma.

J: Yeah.

P: That's possible too, huh?

J: That's possible.
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Noor PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 6:35 pm

LovelyPigeon


A lot is missing in this translation.......

Here's all of it.

Translated by me and Lazlo.


translation de vries's show Joran and Patrick

part # 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSfiXUeiueI&feature=related
background info on the case,no conversation between Joran and Patrick.

part # 2.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=van3GG7KhI0&feature=related
more background info, no conversation.

part # 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1TU8AWjrR0&feature=related

de vries:
How did you meet Joran?

patrick:
I met him in a casino in Arnhem, I registered myself at a poker table, I saw Joran sitting at the table, I am from the Antillen, so I thought, I'll just say "Hi" to him.
And I said: Hey Joran, matong, (sp) how is it?
I said that to Joran in jest, "matong" means murderer.
He saw that I meant it in a friendly way, then I went to smoke a cigarette and from that moment on, he came directly towards me.
Immediately, there was a very good contact between us

de vries:
How did you represent yourself towards him?
What kind of impression did he get from you?

patrick:
Um, that grew, at a certain point, I had more contact with him.
I was searching for a way to really draw him closer to me.
Because he smoked so much weed, every day, I thought by myself I'm going to tell him that I have a weed nursery, that that's how I make my living, he thought that was very impressive, that's how the relationship began.
The boy got more and more trust in me, and I had the feeling that there will be a day that he wants unload on me.

de vries:
How did it happen that Joran trusted you so much?

patrick:
I think the fact that I did not show any interest in the case, helped a lot.
A lot of people came up to him ask him: did you do it?
I did not do that, and I knew that's not the way to go, I told him it does not interest me, what's been done is done, it does not fascinate me.
But he constantly wanted to tell me more and more, I told him, wait I can't keep this by my self, just be patient and wait.

de vries:
You pretended to be Joran's friend, Joran even tell you there are only 2 people on this earth that I really trust, one of them is you.
When you hear something like that, does it feel like betrayal?
Because you know you're busy with something totally different.

patrick:
Yes, that's right, but I shielded myself from that, I did not want those emotions, when I think of that girl, she's gone, than it's very simple not to have those emotions.
There are many more important things than mr. Joran vd Sloot.
The mother of Natalee of course, she deserves an honest answer what happened to her daughter, that's what brought to have no emotions towards this boy, I don't see it as a betrayal

de vries:
Joran himself has lied to half the world, so a little half lie from you on top of it, is not that bad, now is it?

patric:
Yes, who throws the ball can expect it back.

end of that conversation.

The first taping was to be nov. 22, 2007.
They decided to make the secret tapes in a car, because they feel Joran will feel more free to talk in private there, than say in a house or a bar.

But Joran got rearrested nov. 21, 2007
He was detained for 2 1/2 weeks.
After his release, Joran stayed for about a month on Aruba with his parents, but had contact by telephone with patrick.

part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux_kvXtv0p0&feature=related

thursday, jan. 10th.
Joran gets in patrick's car, and gives him a present.
Joran tells Patrick he's going to show him his teeth.
They're talking about how cool the new car is.

Commentator says that Joran was involved in a fight at the casino over a gambling debt. in the HI someone tore his lip.

Joran tells patrick that he can tell the judge, because of this fucking, this fucking lip, I even fell into a glass bottle because of fucking this.
What the fuck do you want?
Give me enough fucking money, so I can buy a house in Spain.
We already filed a claim for compensation.
That had to be done within a month.
My father has arranged all that.
There are enough lawyers that are willing to help my father.

Joran than tell patrick that he's no longer is a suspect, that he knows with 100% certainty that if the DA brings the case to court, they will loose.
So they know if they bring the case to court now, it's done, even if they find the body of the girl, with my sperm in her, they can't do anything anymore.

Joran than starts talking about the investigators, police etc.
They're stupid, I did not say a word,
The judge told him he did not have to say anything, I looked the agent right into his eyes, and I said nothing.

The judge told Joran: You are not speaking the truth.
Joran told the judge: I did not speak the truth? I did not even give an statement,
The judge told Joran: I think you know more,.
Joran told the judge: I think it's a terrible thing that you as a judge are speculating.
Joran, (laughing) said his lawyer told him that was a very good thing to tell the judge.

Joran: My parents want to go and talk on the P&W show, because of all the fucking mistakes the OM has made, my father thinks that that will be very helpful with the compensation for damage.
I will get a FAT compensation, a fat material compensation.

Then Joran starts telling Patrick about his latest arrest.
Those asshole policemen, they're so fucking smart, Alex opened the door, they said: You are under arrest.
I'm sitting there laughing my ass off.
You're joking right?
No no no, you're going to Aruba.
Well I don't believe you.
No it's for real, start packing your suitcases.
My suitcases? I pick up a bag and throw 2 t=shirts and 2 underwear in there, I'm not going anywhere.
And Patrick I was stoned, I was so stoned, and that was a good thing, because the first night I slept like a baby.

Then Joran starts talking about the K2 brothers.
When he met them they owned a honda civic, they never went anywhere, I told them, hey you have a cool car, let's go out, because you can have any girl you want, we did go out, and I had a girl every other week, or every other 3 weeks, and them in all that time?
Zero Patrick, zero, in all those 8 months.

patrick:
Where do you think they will ever find her?

j:
shaking is head no, saying: no I'm done.
inaudible.......but yes, I can get 10 year,
never to be found.
Where exactly I don't know either.

p:
how come you don't know?

J:
Higher power, no I'm done with it, patrick I am done,

part # 5.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGJDOucnx_0&feature=related


j:
It will all be okay, I will probably receive a big settlement.
Without this latest arrest, I was not counting on that.

Then they show a little bit of P&W show.
de vries brings up the possibility that maybe something happened against her will, maybe she drank too much, it was fragile girl, maybe she felt sick, he than panicked, and instead of calling the police, he called his father, maybe he did something else.
(Of course de vries knew about the secret conversations at that time)
Then they show the wine incident.

Two mornings after the show, and after Joran brings his parents to the airport, Patrick has an other appointment with Joran.

Day 2, sunday jan 13 2008
Joran asks Patrick if he saw the show, if he saw the wine throwing.
Patrick did not see it.
Joran states that when I saw it himself on tv, he did not think it looked that bad.
the program is over, I look at him, I shake Witteman's hand, and I see him looking at me, and I grab the glass of wine, and I throw it quietly in his face,
And he goes: Ah ah my eyes, my eyes, (Joran is laughing) And I was so cool,
And then you see me like : Yeah yeah, I thought you deserved that.
It did not look that aggressive, it was more like, fuck who do you think you are?
But it was not worth the 5000 euro.
They did pay that. I don't have it yet, but I will receive it.

If people really knew how much punishable I really am, Okay, I have know this girl for about 2 days, not even, I met her that same day, and the whole time I have been with her was maybe 3 1/2 hours, that the total.
I can prove that I was home half an hour after I left her on the beach.
No, sooner than that.

Patrick asks Joran how did he get home that evening.
Joran says the same as he told the police, K2.

(can't understand here, what they are saying now)

p:
why is now saying that he not say that?

j:
Yes, well I know why he says that now.
If he says that now than he's fried.
Because then he'll be picked up again, why the fuck do you lie? You did pick him up.

p:
What happened with her? Joran, what the fuck, I'm from Aruba, I know the beach.

j:
I can tell you what happened to the girl.
I will honestly tell you.

p:
morta, she's dead is she not?

j:
of course.

p:
morta

j:
well, come on now, I would never murder.

Of course something happened there.
And yes, the ocean is big.
I think I have been very lucky, because if they find the girl, I'm the (lul) fried.
If they have a body, they can make a case.
Then they can pick me up again, I don't know, If they have direct evidence .
But I think from now on I should not talk anymore.

p:
They're not going to try it, man.

j:
I have never talked with anyone, of course it's not easy.

p:
I know Joran, but with certain things you have to be able

j:
yes, but, she will never been found.

p;
You think?

j:
No.

p:
In the sea?
Yes?
Alone?

j:
Yes.

p:
How?
Did you go swimming?

j:
he shakes his head no.
he says, well I know people on Aruba.
At your age I also, (it gets really confusing here) I know people, they have always been really good to me, but who it is, I'm not going to say.
It is not my parents,
but, yeah, it just a very good friend of mine, he has a boat.

p:
Well than it's done.
He has a boat.
Farther then 2 miles?

j:
Look, this friend of mine, is older,

p:
But why would he want to do that for you?
If you would call me I would help you also, but you really have to think about that.

j:
Till my grave I will never say.
Because I just don't do that.
I am obligated because of what he did for me.

He has a boat, and of course, then there on the beach.
All of a sudden she did nothing anymore.
I called him, not with my mobiel (cell phone) but I walked to , I called him, and told him this is what happened, come here, come here,
He said: No I will not call the police, and then he arrived.
But she did not look normal, you know,

part # 6.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-qPdrxgxB8&feature=related


j:
He said: this is not possible.
You have to go home.
I say: No.
I can't ask you to take responsibility for this.
He said: You're going home. I arrange the rest.
I went home then.

p:
shit man, this dude has a hart of gold.


j:
I know that.

p:
I help you make money, you have to give him money,

j:
If I ever can ever do anything for him......
I would give my life for him.

p:
You don't have to do that.
You can help him financially.
I'm going to take care of the fact, that you can help him financially.

j:
Yes, he's real good, unbelievable good.

p:
I always told you, I knew it, you know,

j:
It feels good, I have never told anybody,
And this is a rich American girl,

p:
fucking family of friends of Bush.

j:
That makes no difference, I'm telling you the truth, I did not know all that, she did tell me, I come from a rich family, you know, like that,

p:
Of course you did not know that.
But nobody knows that something like that can happen?

Relax Joran, you cleared the air (your hart), everything will be okay, man.
I give it a place and for me it's finished. The book is closed.
We will not discuss this anymore.
It good is it not?
I am happy for you that it's over for you.
I am happy for you, man, yes? (high five each other)


j:
I am being honest with you, Patrick
The two people I trust the most, of everyone, is that person and you.

Day 3, tuesday Jan, 15th 2008

p:
How did you know that she was dead, Joran?

j:
I just know.

p:
How did you see that than?
Did you feel her pulse?
Did it happen in one time?

j:
I just.......I touched it, there was nothing, It was finished.

p:
Did you try to REAMINEREN her

j:
I tried everything, I lifted her up,

p:
You know, I don't understand one thing, okay, she's there, dead yes?
Your friend, yes,

j:
Patrick, we had a group of boys on Aruba, we had a lot of contact, we have known each other since we where little, And those boys, to this day, they still call me every now and then, but they don't have much money,

p:
Are you not afraid that the dude will talk?

j:
Patrick, if that boy........
Of course I'm afraid of that.
But I have something on him, Patrick, I also have something on him.
He knows perfectly clear

p:
Why did he do it this way?
Does he have a boat himself?

j:
Yes, of course.


p:
What's the name of the fucking boat?


j:
I can't justify it, not to him, you will not hear anything coming from my mouth.
In any case, he does not live on Aruba anymore.

p:
Does he live in Nederland?

j;
Yes.

p:
But what about your father? When you came home?
He noticed nothing different about you?

j:
My father was asleep. It was 3:00 am or 4:00 am.
It happened around 2:00 am.
I was home around 3:00am, 2:30 am.
And at 2:30 am I went directly to the computer.
I was only with the girl for about 2 1/2 hours.
I did not meet her during daytime, we did things together.
You can't kill someone in 2 1/2 hours and do something with it.
Everyone knows this, it's not possible,.
You have to a be a professional, eh,

j:
I have lived on Aruba for 18 years, you know this,

p:
Of course you know people.
What you asked of this person

j:
I did not ask!

p:
You did not ask.
He offered?

j:
He offered.
And he saw me there,
and he knew I was was going to go to America,

p:
he wanted to save you.

j:
He thought,
and he could not have known how it was going to go.
Later on in Holland, I did talk to him about it, I have sat with him for evenings.

p:
How old is he? About as old as you?

j:
No, 25
You know what's the most bizarre?

p:
But they never arrested him.

j:
This is so bizarre.
Though out everything, you know,
But you know , I played a good game in the beginning.
Because in the beginning I thought, I will tell them what they want.
Because if there's no evidence against me, then.......
they can't screw me, in the end they have nothing,

But they never questioned him.
They did everything, but this boy......
I have had so much luck, unbelievable.

p:
But how far did he bring her then
This boy must have done a really good job.
But how far?
Does he ship often, does he know a lot about boats, what does he know about the ocean?

j:
He has his own boat licence.

p;
Yes a license, the boy really knows what's he doing.
Did he make her heavy to let her sink?

j:
No, I don't think so.

p:
You don't know?
He never told you how he did it?

j:
Of course he did.

p:
How then?

j:
He just went into the ocean. farther away.
Then he dumped her.

P:
You really have been lucky, you know that.
No shit, you where very lucky.

j:
I say that also.

p:
Real lucky.
That he was so stupid, that he did it that way, you know.
You have a gigantic angle hanging above you head.

j:
That evening I slept normally.
I went home that evening, and went to my bed.

p:
What's his name?

j:
Daury

p: Daury what?
Is he Dutch?

j:
no, well yes.
Half Dutch, half Arubaans.
Dutch mother, or something like that.

Now Joran is telling Patrick about a favor he while he was in jail, the first time.

j:
So I said, Dad, I need some thing here.
I feel very badly, and so on, you know, I need a phone.
He said: Well, we can't do that.
Then I told him, I really need one here, otherwise I'll get into trouble here.
Maybe people will beat me up in here, all those kind of things.
Then my dad said, If I arrange that for you, I will be there with the boy, who takes care of all of that.
So I'll be with him, I will stand with him, because nobody can get a phone in there.
And yes, he did it.
So, then I had contact, of course, and do you know how often, I had so little calling time.......
My father is so stupid.....
He buys a phone, and does not add any fucking calling time.
So, there was only 5 or 10 guilders worth of calling time on there.

Peter de Vries then talk about Jorans book, he writes a different story about the phone in there.

The point that de vries makes is that Joran told a different story in his book, and if the sory is true that Joran is telling on tape, than Paulus know that there's nonsense written in the book.

They now ask Patrick to have Joran tell the whole story again, from A to Z.

day 4, wednesday jan. 16th 2008.

J: So yes, those bitches just ask us, will you go out with us tonight?
will you go to Carlos 'n Charlie, the bar, tonight?
And I said yes, that's fine. And they've been drinking for a long time.
And those girls where also taking coke.
Because I know "boetie" on Aruba, they went to him and get it.
That's possible, I know that.
And, eh, so then, No, I have to go to school the next day.
And the girl, Please, you know.
I said: I know she wants to fuck, I just know it.

p: Which girl?

j: A friend of that Natalee. Not even Natalee herself, you know.
I then called Deepak and Satish, the have the car you know, and I said to those girls, okay, I'll see you there.
So we went to C&C
I went there, and see this big group of good looking bitches.
And I see this good looking chick, and I start talking to her.
I did not even fall for Natalee, Patrick.
So I talk to her, and she said to me: no, no, you know what?
That girl has a "shotgun" on you.
I asked her: A shotgun on me?
She said: Yes, go and dance with her.
So I walk over to the bar.
They where already talking about me.
The girl said" Come and dance with me, come and dance.
And I told her, No I'm not going to dance on top of that stage.
Come down, we'll talk.
I thought I'll go and drink with D & S. So I got a drink at the bar.
Then she came down, down from the bar. She came to me.

p: Who?

j: Natalee, Come, take a jelly shot from me.
The whore jumped on the bar and wanted me to take a shot out of her belly button.
I did that. ha ha
Then she said I had to buy her a drink.
I told her: do what you what.
What do you want? I tell her: one shot of bacardi 151. okay, good.
She got her shot, she takes it, and ooh, she took it in one time, whoop bam, 151 proof, 151 proof that is, 75% alcohol.
Then she asked for a chaser.
I had a yard in my hand, a long drink, she took that from me, and she drank some of that, I see also, she's drunk, Patrick, really drunk,
But I thought, I'll just take the girl for a little while and fuck her.
Then I said: What do you want to do? Do you want to go to the hotel?
I thought, I'll just take her to the hotel, that's the best.
She said: no no, I don't want to go to my own hotel.
I said: okay; what do you want to do?
She said: I want to see the sharks.
I'm not bullshitting you Patrick.....

p: No no Joran, I've told you before, You already told me before, you know.

j: some people are strange, she said: I want to see the sharks.
I told the boys I want to go somewhere with her by myself, but she does not want to go back to the hotel.
I also wanted to do a little what she wanted, that's only right.
So I told them, drop us off at the beach, I'll fuck her, and I'll bring her to the hotel later.
So they dropped me of at the beach.

p: Where, by those things?

j: by the corner, by the marriot, between the marriott and the fisherman's hut.
There is a road.
I get out and walk with her on the beach.
I begin to kiss her and such, but she does not look to good.
Shit man, but she also looked good, but she wanted, she really wanted.
So I kissed her and fingered her, she has her hand in my pants, and so on, and all of a sudden Patrick, like in a movie what she did.

Shaking, yes very bad.
So I was like, Shit, what is this?

p: What did you do then?

j: I stayed with her, and there was nobody there, Patrick, nobody.

p: Of course no one is there, it's night time Joran.

j: And um, yeah, I talk to her, talk to her, talk with her, she's not talking,

p: How long did she shake then>
Do you know what it is?


j: I don't know.

p:An epileptic episode, or something, man.
she was shaking, and foam also, from her mouth?

j: No, no foam from her mouth.
Not that I saw.

Then I panicked.
I think, nobody even knows you're out of the house, I just left the house, you know, so I'm thinking, what do I have to do? What do I have to do?
Look, there are not a lot of people I trust, but this is a boy, I also have something on him. I can't say he owes me.
That's too much.
But I told him, I have a problem.
And I know if he would have told me: I can't help you, you have to take care of this yourself......then he also would not have talked.
Maybe yes, but I don't know.
But I also know what this person is like.
And um I told Daury, Something bad has happened, something bad.

P: where did you talk to him?

j: the payphone, from the MH,

p: in the lobby?

j: no outside by the pool.
I always sit there.

p: did you just leave her there?

j: I left her there. (he can't think of the right word to describe where he left her)

p and J talk back and forward about the location.

j: So I picked her up and put her by the "mangrove things".
And I told him, you need to come here.
Because he lives by himself, he does not all that shit, sometimes he takes a bitch and fucks here, but he lives alone, always.
That's the way it should be, so he says.
So he gets there, and he says Joran what did you do?
But she looks so sweet, you know.
She just lays there, she does not do anything.
He asks me, what happened?
I don't know I tell him,

p: did you try to reanimeren?

j: Ofcourse I did, I tried to shake her, I was shaking the bitch, I was almost crying, Why does shit like this happen to me?
I said to him, this is not possible.

p: what time was this?

j: 2:30, 2:00 o clock.
He said to me this is a big problem.
But he has his own boat there on Aruba.

He works for banana Boats, fun boats. Where you can sit on.

P: Ah, those fun things, where you can sit on a banana all together

J: Yes. But then he has his own boat but he works for one of these people.

J: That is sort of his cover-work.

P: That is good, you have to do something, earn some money.
He is doing great then, he is not dumb.

J: No he isn't dumb, he was sitting there and he said Joran you also know I would not do this myself, but this is going to be a huge problem he said.
He said: No matter what, no matter what, you are going to get blamed for this.

J: And I said, yes , I said yes I don't know also, I don't know what I have to do, I cannot go to the police, I cannot solve this.
His boat was stading there by the pier, and I knew that also, you know, and he told me, then help me for a while, so we have taken to the boat

P: lifted her up.

J: Yes, the two of us just quickly.

P: And nobody saw you then either?

J: Nobody.

P: Yes but it is near the Marriott these boats there?

J: Yes but there is nobody, Nobody pays attention, you are walking there in the dark.
Even if you walk there with someone they think you are playing.

P: Probably think someone is drunk.

J: They do not pay attention at all.

J: He said to me, what did he say to me, Ehm, when we were there he said to me: "You do have to go to school tomorrow and stuff. Because, if there is a missing girl then ehm...

P: He's smart, Joran.

J: I knew these things too! I said, "You're so right. I just have to do normal things. And on top of that I'm going to the casino to make sure I am on camera and stuff, and he/I said ok that is fine.

J: So I went home.

P: How did you get home, then?

J: I just walked, what do you think, he had to....

P: How long a walk is that then?

J: 15 mintes or so, and the shoe thing is all BS Patrick.

P: Does he have your shoes?

J: No these shoes I have thrown them away, I have thrown them away myself.
On the way to there... on the way to home...

P: You just took them off.

J: No, on the way to there, you have these puts...

P: Riolering or something.

J: Yes.

P: Ok but, you walk home and he sailes (varen) out straight away?

J: He sails out straight away.

J: From what he told me, from what he told me, I think he did not even went out 2 kilometers or so.
He told me he just took the boat, went far, threw her out, and came back. Put the boat back, and he then came to visit me at home. And we talked for some time.

P: That night?

J: Yes he came and he told me, you know, all is arranged, she is going to be missing, they will go search, but they will not know a thing, they will not know a thing.

J: He said maybe they will come to you, then I said, you know we have to talk this through/arrange this good I told him, like I am with you, we both of course were a little nervous.

P:Yes.

J: You know it isn't something small you know, we both had something like...we also had done things together before, therefor I knew when I, when I had to to call someone I had to call him.

P: Yes.

J: And that he would do this for me, but...

P: Yes.

J: But at that moment you know, it had to be, it had to be good, if the police would come to me for the disappearance of the girl, because they had seen me leaving with the girl at Carlos and Charlies, these boys they know, ok they have just dropped me of, they don't know anything furhter.

P: Deepak and Satish.

J: Dumb boys Patrick, they are not even worth it.

P: I figured that already.

P: They dropped you of.

J: Imagine how "conjo" I had to be to have them to say they had dropped me of at the hotel. That messed things up truly, that messed things up.

P: But of course.

J: So I told him, but if the police comes, Deepak and Satish have dropped me of at the beach there, so I will have to talk with them also.
Then he/they said, yes that is true.

P: So you never told these two anything?

J: Never, never, never.

J: You looking back I did not thought that this shit would so much...

P: No indeed, you had some bad luck with that, that it got such a fokking huge media hype.

J: But now I can abuse that too (laughs)

J: You don;t have a smoke?

P: Yes I have a smoke.

P: Hey drove of last night, but you had no pot anymore, or did you?

J: No but I was stoned, so no problem.

P: Ok, so that was that, or wasn't it?

J: Patrick boy, I have just spend two hours with her Patrick!

P: But you were fingering her, and then bam within it was finished?

J: I was fingering her, and talking, just talking with her, and I wanted her to suck my d**k, I just wanted to say that, and then at once: finish.

P: What did she do, shaking?
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J: And these police officers you know, during these investigations they give you so much information about what they know eh, they want to trhow it all on the table, but they know shit, ok, if that is how you say it is, then it is like that.

J: Oh, and when I was leaving there you know, I even sms'd my girlfriends: hey darling see you tomorrow. Patrick I did not have a bad feeling about it at all, I did not loose one night sleep over it, I thought it goes on, I have to go on. I have to look good, then they cannot do anything to me, and that is how it went also.

P: Joran it is finished ok, but eh Daury, do you even speak with him?

J: Yes I speak with him at times.

P: Often?

J: No

P: How do you talk with him, by phone?

J: No by internet.

P: But Joran about this...

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nickhs PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:41 pm

While talking to the man with the boat....(him and he in the quote)
"J: So I told him, but if the police come, Deepak and Satish have dropped me of at the beach there, so I will have to talk with them also. Then he said, "Yes, that is true."

What Joran really said on the tape was a loud and clear:
Then SHE said, "Yes, that is true."

As if he was talking to a WOMAN. Now would you make that mistake telling a story to someone else, if it was really a man you were talking to?
Looks like a freudian slip of the tongue.

Also, how could HE know that was true, HE wasn't there when he first said that to Deepak/Satish? But SHE obviously was.

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Noor PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:33 pm

nickhs wrote:
"J: So I told him, but if the police come, Deepak and Satish have dropped me of at the beach there, so I will have to talk with them also. Then he said, "Yes, that is true."

What he said on the tape was a loud and clear:
Then SHE said, "Yes, that is true."

As if he was talking to a WOMAN. Now would you make that mistake telling a story to someone else, if it was really a man you were talking to?
Looks like a freudian slip of the tongue.

Also, how could HE know that was true, HE wasn't there when he first said that to Deepak/Satish? But SHE obviously was.



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nickhs PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:48 am

marco wrote:



Question


Don't you get it? I have edited my post for clarity if that helps.



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Noor PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 3:38 pm

nickhs wrote:
While talking to the man with the boat....(him and he in the quote)
"J: So I told him, but if the police come, Deepak and Satish have dropped me of at the beach there, so I will have to talk with them also. Then he said, "Yes, that is true."

What Joran really said on the tape was a loud and clear:
Then SHE said, "Yes, that is true."

As if he was talking to a WOMAN. Now would you make that mistake telling a story to someone else, if it was really a man you were talking to?
Looks like a freudian slip of the tongue.

Also, how could HE know that was true, HE wasn't there when he first said that to Deepak/Satish? But SHE obviously was.



You are right.........................
Joran talked about a "she" who helped him......

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dugo PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 3:56 pm

So .. Joran called his mom w/ the "international" phone .. or .. what was Joran fantasising about.. 		Dashing Dutch Dynamo Dude



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Noor PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:05 pm

dugo wrote:
So .. Joran called his mom w/ the "international" phone .. or .. what was Joran fantasising about..





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZBQsuk3vGA&feature=related

listen to the tape @ 0.40

Joran said: then SHE said, yes that's true.
referring to his"helper" 		Marco



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xipp PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 1:21 am

marco wrote:





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZBQsuk3vGA&feature=related

listen to the tape @ 0.40

Joran said: then SHE said, yes that's true.
referring to his"helper"


I hear Joran said "en toen zeiden ze", spoken as "en toen seie se"

meaning: and then they said.



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Noor PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 9:44 pm

Oh...................

I was just checking a comment that was supposedly made by Joran...
All the video's are gone because:

This video has been removed due to terms of use violation

WTF?

Shocked 		Marco



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Jonathan PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 4:49 am

marco wrote:
Oh...................

I was just checking a comment that was supposedly made by Joran...
All the video's are gone because:

This video has been removed due to terms of use violation

WTF?

Shocked


I think youtube removed them because they are copywrited. I have them saved and am working on getting them back up on my site. What I want to do is cut out and post just the tape segments.



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sandraK PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:24 am

Jonathan wrote:


I think youtube removed them because they are copywrited. I have them saved and am working on getting them back up on my site. What I want to do is cut out and post just the tape segments.


Thank you,kind Sir. 		Boat Drink Room Hostess



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