But. . .but Peter de Vries was a national icon, sure to get to the bottom of all this.
At least that was the storyline before he zeroed in on Joran and Paulus van der Sloot.
Now he is suddenly a goat and all The Netherlands is rallying behind Joran and now suddenly hate Peter de Vries?
I find that very hard to believe. He has always been a controversial figure it would seem from article posted about him here and at other sites.
One fine looking gentleman, I would have to say. Don't shoot the messenger. And yes, this Emmy did bring a great deal of publicity back to Natalee's disappearance if only in this country. Many thought Joran was behind bars long ago. It's good for them to know he is still on "free feet" and "King of the Ocean."
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liesbethPosted:
Sun Oct 05, 2008 9:55 am
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prolificPosted:
Sun Oct 05, 2008 3:58 pm
Mallory wrote:
But. . .but Peter de Vries was a national icon, sure to get to the bottom of all this.
At least that was the storyline before he zeroed in on Joran and Paulus van der Sloot.
Now he is suddenly a goat and all The Netherlands is rallying behind Joran and now suddenly hate Peter de Vries?
I find that very hard to believe. He has always been a controversial figure it would seem from article posted about him here and at other sites.
One fine looking gentleman, I would have to say. Don't shoot the messenger. And yes, this Emmy did bring a great deal of publicity back to Natalee's disappearance if only in this country. Many thought Joran was behind bars long ago. It's good for them to know he is still on "free feet" and "King of the Ocean."
Really? What's a great deal of publicity? I must have missed all of the US media coverage of the International Emmy's. Did they have a red carpet pre show?
How do you know what many thought or that many thought he was behind bars long ago? Did you take a poll?
How many is many?
I don't know anyone or never hear people even mentioning this case other than a few people on a few message boards.
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billybobPosted:
Sun Oct 05, 2008 4:19 pm
prolific wrote:
Really? What's a great deal of publicity? I must have missed all of the US media coverage of the International Emmy's. Did they have a red carpet pre show?
How do you know what many thought or that many thought he was behind bars long ago? Did you take a poll?
How many is many?
I don't know anyone or never hear people even mentioning this case other than a few people on a few message boards.
Yes do tell Mallory, Prolific is right - publicity, red carpet, coverage back to the case ... where? Even the big new witness only was in the Diario no where else! Case has long been over!
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prolificPosted:
Sun Oct 05, 2008 4:26 pm
billybob wrote:
Yes do tell Mallory, Prolific is right - publicity, red carpet, coverage back to the case ... where? Even the big new witness only was in the Diario no where else! Case has long been over!
Well FTR I don't think the case itself is over nor should it be...I think investigators are still working on it and hopefully they can find the truth....just like every other unsolved cold case.
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dugoPosted:
Sun Oct 05, 2008 5:39 pm
liesbeth wrote:
I thought the Prosecutor has to follow the same rules as the judge.
No, OM is dominus litus, in Aruba/Antilles even more than in NL
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MalloryPosted:
Sun Oct 05, 2008 11:59 pm
billybob wrote:
Yes do tell Mallory, Prolific is right - publicity, red carpet, coverage back to the case ... where? Even the big new witness only was in the Diario no where else! Case has long been over!
Oh, I am sure you two are just so correct. No one, not even others in the industry even noticed this and it's all over. And the whole world has bought the van der Sloot party line that Joran is completely innocent and Natalee evil personified, etc.
Don't count on it. Some people have incredible memories. And just because you don't personally know any people who give a rip about any of this doesn't mean they don't exist.
Guess time will tell.
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liesbethPosted:
Mon Oct 06, 2008 1:28 am
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liesbethPosted:
Mon Oct 06, 2008 1:43 am
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resignedPosted:
Mon Oct 06, 2008 4:47 am
liesbeth wrote:
It is the Dutch authorities who have to solve this case.
Peter R. de Vries told that he is most likely is going to make a new show about Natalee and I read in a glossy that there are rumors that he will start his new series shows with Natalee Holloway.
But those are rumors so we have to wait and see.
Do you know when is the start of the new season for Peter's show?
Click your heels together...
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GELPosted:
Mon Oct 06, 2008 7:18 am
billybob wrote:
Yes do tell Mallory, Prolific is right - publicity, red carpet, coverage back to the case ... where? Even the big new witness only was in the Diario no where else! Case has long been over!
Wrong bb, Read this posted by Pearl in USA from BFN. Greta has NOT forgot and this was also posted in the Dutch News from NL.
GRETAwire Today:
September 26th, 2008 9:10 AM Eastern
New Witness in Natalee Holloway Disappearance ?By Greta Van Susteren
check this out….Natalee Holloway…by the way, I work on this story every week…I am not giving up…
READ the story and POST your comment.
link takes you to:
New witness in Holloway disappearance
Wednesday 24 September 2008
A new witness has emerged in the disappearance of US teenager Natalee Holloway on the holiday island of Aruba in 2005, the AD reports on Wednesday.
The paper says the witness saw the main suspect, Dutch student Joran van der Sloot, walk past his house in one shoe and a stained shirt followed by his father in a red car on the night the girl disappeared.
Aruban prosecution department chief Hans Mos told the AD the new witness statement is ‘interesting’ but ‘one of many’. Van der Sloot and his father Paul have always sworn they were not together that night.
Joran van der Sloot has admitted being with Holloway on the beach the night she died. He told an undercover tv reporter that a friend had dumped her body at sea.
Mos confirmed earlier reports that he hopes to have the case finally wrapped up by the end of the year. Van der Sloot has twice been arrested and released because of a lack of evidence.
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johan555 wrote:
i saw in the letter this :
1) on the basis of the very extensive police investigation
2) after extensive research
2 times in one letter a intensive investigation
Did you know that is forbidden for a Prosecutor or head Prosecutor
to have contact with a public person?
Only in court is that Allowed
I thought the Prosecutor has to follow the same rules as the judge.
onpartijdigheid
Onpartijdigheid betekent dat de rechter niet vooringenomen mag zijn ten aanzien van een welbepaalde zaak. Een rechter mag zich bijvoorbeeld niet hebben uitgesproken over de zaak vóór de aanvang ervan en mag tijdens de zitting geen blijk geven van een vooroordeel ten aanzien van één of meerdere partijen die in de zaak betrokken zijn. De rechter dient aldus subjectief onpartijdig te zijn.
impartiality
Neutrality means that the judge is not allowed to be biased in relation to a particular matter. A judge may, for example, have not expressed an opinion on the matter before the sitting of the court and is during the sitting of t he court not allowed to show prejudice with regard to one or more parties in the case. The judge has to be subjective impartial.
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Klopt helemaal Liesbeth
het gaat hier om de brief die(GLenda ) Renfro in de krant showt
Denk je nou werkelijk dat een hoofd officier iemand een brief gaat geven
dat iemand nix met een zaak te maken heeft ?
Een rechter mag zoiets niet en een Hoofd officier helemaal niet .
zou mooi worden
als er dan later toch iets aan de hand zou zijn hoef je alleen die brief te laten zien
Kijk maar ik heb niks gedaan
Glenda denkt zeker dat we hier achterlijk zijn
Nee een officier mag zoiets dus nooit en te nimmer doen
de brief is dus ook naar Mos gestuurd .
Het wordt momenteel uitgezocht .
Denk je dat het Om geen actie gaat ondernemen tegen iemand die een brief van een hoofd officier van justie namaakt? handtekening etc . ?
moet je net bij Mos doen zoiets
zal eens opzoeken hoe zoiets ook alweer heet
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billybobPosted:
Mon Oct 06, 2008 7:58 am
GEL wrote:
billybob wrote:
Yes do tell Mallory, Prolific is right - publicity, red carpet, coverage back to the case ... where? Even the big new witness only was in the Diario no where else! Case has long been over!
Wrong bb, Read this posted by Pearl in USA from BFN. Greta has NOT forgot and this was also posted in the Dutch News from NL.
GRETAwire Today:
September 26th, 2008 9:10 AM Eastern
New Witness in Natalee Holloway Disappearance ?By Greta Van Susteren
check this out….Natalee Holloway…by the way, I work on this story every week…I am not giving up…
READ the story and POST your comment.
link takes you to:
New witness in Holloway disappearance
Wednesday 24 September 2008
A new witness has emerged in the disappearance of US teenager Natalee Holloway on the holiday island of Aruba in 2005, the AD reports on Wednesday.
The paper says the witness saw the main suspect, Dutch student Joran van der Sloot, walk past his house in one shoe and a stained shirt followed by his father in a red car on the night the girl disappeared.
Aruban prosecution department chief Hans Mos told the AD the new witness statement is ‘interesting’ but ‘one of many’. Van der Sloot and his father Paul have always sworn they were not together that night.
Joran van der Sloot has admitted being with Holloway on the beach the night she died. He told an undercover tv reporter that a friend had dumped her body at sea.
Mos confirmed earlier reports that he hopes to have the case finally wrapped up by the end of the year. Van der Sloot has twice been arrested and released because of a lack of evidence.
how very amusing, you giving me a gretawire and a news link!!!!
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Black-TulipPosted:
Mon Oct 06, 2008 8:04 am
johan555 wrote:
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Klopt helemaal Liesbeth
het gaat hier om de brief die(GLenda ) Renfro in de krant showt
Denk je nou werkelijk dat een hoofd officier iemand een brief gaat geven
dat iemand nix met een zaak te maken heeft ?
Een rechter mag zoiets niet en een Hoofd officier helemaal niet .
zou mooi worden
als er dan later toch iets aan de hand zou zijn hoef je alleen die brief te laten zien
Kijk maar ik heb niks gedaan
Glenda denkt zeker dat we hier achterlijk zijn Nee een officier mag zoiets dus nooit en te nimmer doen de brief is dus ook naar Mos gestuurd .
Het wordt momenteel uitgezocht .
Denk je dat het Om geen actie gaat ondernemen tegen iemand die een brief van een hoofd officier van justie namaakt? handtekening etc . ?
moet je net bij Mos doen zoiets
zal eens opzoeken hoe zoiets ook alweer heet
If that's true then why do YOU expect an answer from Mos?
The letter was sent to Grace Maduro, a journalist. What is so strange about the fact he answered her in writing?
You say she forged his signature? Why would she do that?
Did you introduce yourself as Johan555, the real investigator from FOK
.
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prolificPosted:
Mon Oct 06, 2008 8:21 am
Mallory wrote:
Oh, I am sure you two are just so correct. No one, not even others in the industry even noticed this and it's all over. And the whole world has bought the van der Sloot party line that Joran is completely innocent and Natalee evil personified, etc.
Don't count on it. Some people have incredible memories. And just because you don't personally know any people who give a rip about any of this doesn't mean they don't exist.
Guess time will tell.
Nice twisting there Mallory but it ain't gonna work. That's not what you posted and not what I responded to. Where's all this US publicity about the International Emmy's? And who are these many people that thought Joran was behind bars long ago but now know he's king of the ocean?
And WTF said the whole world bought anything, I said people don't talk about this case anymore..do you talk about every missing person case from three years ago, how about two years ago, one year ago? Do you even know every missing person case?
And at the risk of this being sent to HE you can fuck off with the Natalee is evil and van der Sloot party line bullshit. No one, especially me as ever said that....ever.
Got it "Mallory"?
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GELPosted:
Mon Oct 06, 2008 8:21 am
Here's the Dutch news link, bb. Just sayin this about the witness was not only in the Diario paper but a Netherland news source also.
If that's true then why do YOU expect an answer from Mos?
The letter was sent to Grace Maduro, a journalist. What is so strange about the fact he answered her in writing?
You say she forged his signature? Why would she do that?
Did you introduce yourself as Johan555, the real investigator from FOK
.
als je goed kan lezen schrijf ik dit tulp:
Denk je nou werkelijk dat een hoofd officier iemand een brief gaat geven
dat iemand nix met een zaak te maken heeft ?
Dus voordat je commentaar geeft eerst goed lezen !
En denk je nou werkelijk dat Mos dit soort brieven naar een Journalist gaat schrijven ?
dan wordt ie echt meteen teruggefloten
En ja ik krijg zeker antwoord van Mos
Heb je zelf al iets onderzocht Tulip ? en waar is dat te lezen of geef je liever alleen commentaar ? lekker makkelijk he !
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Black-TulipPosted:
Mon Oct 06, 2008 8:31 am
johan555 wrote:
als je goed kan lezen schrijf ik dit tulp:
Denk je nou werkelijk dat een hoofd officier iemand een brief gaat geven
dat iemand nix met een zaak te maken heeft ?
Dus voordat je commentaar geeft eerst goed lezen !
En ja ik krijg antwoord van Mos
Ja, dat denk ik werkelijk. Het staat ook voorzichtig geformuleerd, laat alle mogelijkheden open. Feit is dat Julie nooit verdachte is geweest (verleden tijd) dus dat kan hij rustig zeggen.
Ik vind het veel onwaarschijnlijker dat Grace Maduro een handtekening vervalst. Dat zou toch al te simpel zijn na te trekken?
Maar goed, misschien heb je gelijk. Volgens mij maak je jezelf belachelijk.
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billybobPosted:
Mon Oct 06, 2008 8:32 am
GEL wrote:
Here's the Dutch news link, bb. Just sayin this about the witness was not only in the Diario paper but a Netherland news source also.
and I am even more amused that you find it necessary to give me a LINK to any news article on this case - whether it comes from Aruba, USA, Holland or Timbucktoo!!!!!
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Black-TulipPosted:
Mon Oct 06, 2008 8:32 am
johan555 wrote:
Heb je zelf al iets onderzocht Tulip ? en waar is dat te lezen of geef je liever alleen commentaar ? lekker makkelijk he !
Je moest eens weten ...
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charlieratPosted:
Mon Oct 06, 2008 8:44 am
johan555 wrote:
I thought the Prosecutor has to follow the same rules as the judge.
Not in any system of jurisprudence that I have ever heard of. Prosecutors are advocates; judges are (or at least, they are supposed to be) impartial arbitors.
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all10suspectsPosted:
Mon Oct 06, 2008 9:18 am
charlierat wrote:
Not in any system of jurisprudence that I have ever heard of. Prosecutors are advocates; judges are (or at least, they are supposed to be) impartial arbitors.
That is the whole problem with this case. The judge that made the rulings
knows the suspects family and that should not have happen. At least it would not have happen in the states!
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GELPosted:
Mon Oct 06, 2008 9:19 am
billybob wrote:
and I am even more amused that you find it necessary to give me a LINK to any news article on this case - whether it comes from Aruba, USA, Holland or Timbucktoo!!!!!
billybob wrote:
{snip}
Even the big new witness only was in the Diario nowhere else! Case has been long been over!
This is why bb, you hate admitting you can be wrong some of the time or what?
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johan555Posted:
Mon Oct 06, 2008 9:23 am
In een rechtsstaat heeft een ieder recht op toegang tot een onpartijdige rechter. De onpartijdigheid van de rechter moet in iedere situatie boven elke twijfel verheven zijn. Het optreden van de rechter behoort deze eigenschap altijd te tonen.
Tegelijkertijd geldt dat niemand vrij is van persoonlijke opvattingen over bepaalde maatschappelijke, politieke en ethische kwesties. Dat geldt, nu van een rechter een behoorlijke mate van maatschappelijke betrokkenheid wordt verwacht, ook zeker voor de rechter. Zijn opdracht om onpartijdig te oordelen betekent dat hij zich van zijn persoonlijke opvattingen - met inbegrip van sympathieën en antipathieën - bewust is en tracht daarvan bij zijn professionele oordeel afstand te nemen
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BongoPosted:
Mon Oct 06, 2008 9:24 am
Black-Tulip wrote:
If that's true then why do YOU expect an answer from Mos?
The letter was sent to Grace Maduro, a journalist. What is so strange about the fact he answered her in writing?
You say she forged his signature? Why would she do that?
Did you introduce yourself as Johan555, the real investigator from FOK
.
I would love to read the letter/ email written by Johan..
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