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dugo
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Tue Oct 07, 2008 11:07 am |
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| liesbeth wrote: | So Dompig, the investigators, Karin Jansen, the forensic team and Peter R. are not telling the truth? 
Who are telling the truth.
Joran, Paulus and Anita?
The only ones who are telling the truth? |
Jorg & Wit.
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| dugo
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Tue Oct 07, 2008 11:26 am |
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| AC wrote: | Folks,
I think DeVries has probably seen more about this case than we have. I might be wrong, but I think it is a strong possibility.
Regarding my initial question....I guess I just want to know if there is any proof that the Vander Sloots KNEW BEFORE the investigators came to the home to do the search. Now, whether or not the judge that was at the home filled them in OR if it was someone else, I don't know. That is why I am questioning this. |
I think Jorg has probably seen more about this case than DeVries.
None whatsoever. According to Jorg from the prosecution Ben Vocking didn't know and did not interfere with the search. Bob Wit was hauled over from Curacau to provide oversight over the prosecution during the search, judicial oversight over something as drastic violating inviolability of the home is standard operating procedure. Suggesting Bob Wit has tipped off the Sloots is preposturous. Wit came there with the search party, not in advance. If Peter bothered to tell about the botch-job that Sambo did to justify the search there would be nothing strange about what went down, but that doesn't make good TV now does it?
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| liesbeth
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| minitess
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Tue Oct 07, 2008 11:51 am |
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| liesbeth wrote: |
Jorg is not denying anything; he is just not very clear with his statement.
His explanation is a bit misty but that's what a lot of lawyers do. 
The statement is explainable in different ways. |
I agree with you. It seems Jorg is actually aware of severe problems on that island, and has no hesitation speaking out against them.
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_43593.php
Gloomy political climate
20 Jun, 2008, 17:54 (GMT -04:00)
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ORANJESTAD/AMSTERDAM – The leaving acting procurator-general in Aruba, Nico Jörg (62) is of the opinion that the Netherlands neglects her duty. Dutch politics don’t seem to be interested in the island. The Netherlands must also act firmer, but the PG has the feeling that politics The Hague would rather get rid of Aruba and the Antilles. “In the opinion of The Hague, there is always business here and that they also must give the islands a lot of money”.
Jörg says this in an interview with the Volkskrant on the eve of his return to the Netherlands, where he’s going to work again as attorney-general in the Supreme Court. In order to structurally improve the police, immigration, prison system, and tax services, the Netherlands must commit herself politically and financially as long as Aruba and the Antilles do not choose for total independency. “The Netherlands must step in more often; the majority of the population will acclaim that. There is of course a barrier to take actions in semi-independent countries like Aruba. There must be a serious problem, but the Charter allows that, and there are enough serious problems here.”
He says that the politicians are looking in the eyes of the voters and promise them jobs. “After the elections, the civil servants are replaced by loyal voters, friends and family members, whether they are suitable for the position or not. The dismissed civil servants are then sent home, and they keep their salary. It doesn’t matter which party takes office; the same thing happens in the next change of government.”
Also tenders do not always go transparently. “The investigation on this by the national detective appeared to be laborious. The island was too small when it was decided to actually prosecute former politicians after an investigation. This decision was taken purely professionally, thus being accused of ‘political persecution’ comes down very hard.”
He says that the investigation service that must work under difficult circumstances are doing pretty good work but not as much as is necessary. “I am under the impression that the OM comes up against a wall of resistance if they do more than just combating street criminality and get actively involved in investigation of the upperworld. It starts with a smear campaign in the media, nourished by politics. Corruption control is important for the country, because corruption slows down economic growth.”
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_47529.php
Official corruption in top 10 justice
2 Okt, 2008, 09:25 (GMT -04:00)
ORANJESTAD – From the annual report of the OM for 2007 it appears that bribing officials in the execution of their duties is number six on the OM’s list with last year’s most committed crimes. The Justice Department considers this remarkable, because this crime didn’t make the top-10 last year. Number 1 on the list is robbery, same as former years.
The reason for the increase of official corruption cases is according to justice, the big number of suspects in two cases, including the Fondo Desaroyo San Nicolas Nobo. 24 Persons were initially interrogated as suspects, of which 17 appeared before the judge. Another corruption case is that of the driver’s license case, in which three officials, 11 middlemen and 60 buyers of false driver’s licenses were arrested. The OM appealed the verdicts in the court of first instance, but the appeal judge didn’t sentence higher punishments. “The OM is not happy with these light punishments for a spread evil, corruption”, is stated in the annual report.
Nico Jörg, at that time interim procurator-general, mentioned in the preface that large-scale investigations like in the Fondo-case, go beyond the powers of a small public prosecutor like that of Aruba. “A lot of other work is left over. It is not right to conclude though that the bigger the fraud, the more chance that the OM doesn’t want to start with the case.”
He pleads for hiring a fraud- or other specialist from another country with a temporary appointment to public prosecutor. A judge from the Netherlands was brought in especially for these cases.
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| dugo
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Tue Oct 07, 2008 11:53 am |
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| liesbeth wrote: |
Jorg is not denying anything; he is just not very clear with his statement.
His explanation is a bit misty but that's what a lot of lawyers do.
The statement is explainable in different ways. |
how is this "Hij was niet uit hoofde van zijn functie op de hoogte van de komende huiszoeking." not a denial
..and what is misty about:
Toen de officier tijdens de huiszoeking uitbreiding van de huiszoeking
vorderde tot andere plaatsen op dat perceel heeft de Rechter-Commissaris die uitbreiding afgeween omdat er geen basis voor was in de stukken.
..and oh please explain this in 3 different ways..
Verder heeft hij zich niet met de huiszoeking bemoeid en al helemaal geen toezicht gehouden op de omvang van de huiszoeking.
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| dugo
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Tue Oct 07, 2008 1:04 pm |
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| liesbeth wrote: | If that's what Vocking, Bob Wit and/of Jan van der Straten tell, Jorg is bringing the message over. I quess Jorg was not there when it happened.
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I guess Peter was?
| liesbeth wrote: |
That's the way it works in political games, you should know that.
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Kijkcijfers, that's the way SBS6 works.
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I found the dogs walking along the house the best part of the statement.  |
Maybe we should ask Pluto..
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